DAT-heads Digest #310, Volume #6 Sun, 5 May 02 19:50:01 EDT Contents: jackson browne (Scott C. Brown) Dat storage containers (stryder@mindspring.com) DAT gear for sale ("Vernon Huffman") http://saveinternetradio.com/ (E.Easterly) Werner Wingen in Germany (Hirokazu Hara) FS: Surplus blank CD's ( .24 delivered) ("Winnie Olmer") ISO: elvis costello on BRAVO (mike hooker) re: removing track gaps from non DAO burns ("da9ve stovall") 96K/24bit soundcards ("Brian Dowling") taped: OASIS, Roma 1 may 2002 (sbd!) ("Luigi Bagatella") FT:Mike Tramp (Ex-White Lion)@Eiskeller Ingolstadt 4-29-02 (BlackCrowes@gmx.net) Do I buy port. DAT now or later? ("Chris M.") Grateful Dead Dats Offer - Round 7 ("Paul Gibian") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott.C.Brown@Dartmouth.EDU (Scott C. Brown) Subject: jackson browne Reply-To: Scott.C.Brown@Dartmouth.EDU (scb) Date: 04 May 2002 20:08:32 EDT woops, i meant the sunday show, anyone have any tickets? just need 1, will pay face and supply a copy scott ------------------------------ From: stryder@mindspring.com Subject: Dat storage containers Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 21:21:23 -0400 I have two 4mm Dat/Data storage containers for sale. They are $40.00 each and cost new $80.00 each. These are what banks, insurance company's or or whoever stores there magnetic media offsite. I got these when I worked for Arcus Data Secruity. The boxes hold 80 tapes each and have anti-magnetic foam and are lockable. These are heavy duty and made of metal. They are not water tight but meant for hard wear and tear. These are in like new condition. You can check out the containers at the links below. I use paypal if you would like to use credit card or monay orders are ok too. Thanks Thomas http://images.andale.com/f2/106/107/7177171/1020560410125_IMG_0032.JPG http://images.andale.com/f2/106/107/7177171/1020561219681_datcase1.jpg ------------------------------ From: "Vernon Huffman" Subject: DAT gear for sale Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:27:55 -0700 Due to personal circumstances I am in need of lightening my load; to small up and simple down. I would like to sell this gear together as a package but all offers will be considered. Feel free to email me with any queastions. Tascam DA 20 Mark 2. 2 years old with aprox. 100 hours of playback and less than 20 hours of recording. Perfect condition. Owners manual. $450.00 Sony TCD-8. 3 years old but lightly used with less than 100 hours of recording time. Just checked out by Sony for clean bill of health. There was nothing wrong but I wanted them to say so for peace of mind. Includes Ecocharge 12 hour battery pack, 2 digital 7 pin cables, and misc. cables like XLR. Owners manual included. $550.00 Email vernonator@earthlink.net for inquiries/ questions/ offers. ------------------------------ From: eeast@usa.net (E.Easterly) Subject: http://saveinternetradio.com/ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:42:21 -0700 It's time to ensure our liberties. Off-topic, but incredibly pertinent. Please write your senators and congressperson before they vote on 21 May. http://saveinternetradio.com/ for more information. ------------------------------ From: Hirokazu Hara Subject: Werner Wingen in Germany Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 17:35:12 +0900 Hi I would like to contact you. So please reply privately. Hiro ------------------------------ From: "Winnie Olmer" Subject: FS: Surplus blank CD's ( .24 delivered) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 09:18:46 -0400 Grade A Premium 80 min 24x I bought these from a guy who burns CD's for a living These are surplus from an order he finished. They are metallic green or metallic red. They have a protective plastic layer on the writing surface for added protection. These are excellent and I have had no problems with them. I just dont need all that I bought. Check them out at my web site; http://www.sover.net/~who/blank_cds_for_sale.htm check out trades list also while your there. -winnie =========================== "Without love in the dream it will never come true"-Garcia/Hunter Winnie Olmer mailto:who@sover.net =========================== ------------------------------ From: mike hooker Subject: ISO: elvis costello on BRAVO Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 09:53:00 -0400 hi, i caught the last half hr of elvis costello on the musicians series. i try to tape it ,but screwed up programming my vcr. did anyone tape it or have the audio from it? thanks please see my music trading page: New URL http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html being its AOL, its not always up. try it a few times, or ask me for a text list. thanks have fun, mike hooker ------------------------------ From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: re: removing track gaps from non DAO burns Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 08:09:11 -0700 Jamie asked: >From: spahni >Subject: removing track gaps from non DAO burns >Reply-To: spahni@iinet.net.au >I know this issue had been discused beofre but I recently >recieved a trade and 2 of the shows weren't DAO, I mean >there not 2 second TAO gaps but the a a slight break. My >question is, how can I remove the break in audio without >pulling to many teeth. I use a mac G4 400 if it means >anything to you > >thanks heaps > >Jamie Shane replied: >From: sec1968@ezl.com >Subject: removing gaps >This is the method I use. Copy your disc to your HD, open >each track in your favorite sound editor, go to the >offending area of the track (be it beginning or end), zoom >in to about 32:1, place your cursor at the end of the wav >and scroll across the blank area. Delete & save. You want >to zoom in that close so that you get all of the blank >area, and any residual that might be left won't be heard >(or seen) when viewed at normal zoom ratio. > >shane That's basically the method you'll probably have to use, but Shane left out a couple crucial details. 1. After you cut out the silent gaps, you still have to make sure the file ends on a frame boundary, that is, that it contains a whole number of frames (a frame being 1/75th of a second, or 588 samples in a 44.1KHz .wav/.aiff file). If the file you burn to disc doesn't end on a frame boundary, your burning software will (most likely) fill out the last incomplete frame with silence - which is exactly how the gap got there in the first place. You can do the math by hand - most .wav editors display (or can be configured to display) the total number of samples in a file. Once you have that number, you can determine if it's a whole number of frames, or if the last frame is incomplete. If the last frame is incomplete, you'll have to copy the missing number of samples from the beginning of the file for the following song, then repeat the process through the rest of the disc. 2. An alternate method will save you a lot of math and a lot of manual cutting and pasting. Create a cue sheet from the original disc (you can have some software do this automatically, but I'm not familiar with the s/w on the Mac side), then, after extracting the tracks, and manually deleting the silent gaps, paste them all together in the proper sequence into one big .wav/.aiff file and use whatever editor or burning program you have that uses cue sheets to burn a new copy of the disc using that cue sheet. The deleted silent gaps won't be long enough to make that original, slightly offset, cue sheet "wrong" - the broken-frame DAO-gaps will average 1/150th of a second, so, if you're dealing with a disc with, say, fifteen tracks, you'll probably be no more than 1/10th of a second off by the last track. No big deal in most cases. 3. Depending on what .wav/.aiff editor you're using, it may be difficult to tell *exactly* where the silent gaps are, even if you're zoomed in close. If the interval you're looking at is just very quiet, it may *look* silent, but the samples may have some non-zero value that just doesn't show up at the resolution the editor displays. On the Windows side, Goldwave (www.goldwave.com) automatically displays the value (x,y coordinate style) of the sample you're floating the mouse-pointer over when you're zoomed in sufficiently close (that is, when the window contains no more than a few hundred samples across its width). If you have an editor for Mac that does this, you can at least tell for sure that what you're deleting is well and truly *0*. 4. Since you're in the Mac world, I don't know what software you have available that might contain these other handy functions, but for Windows, Exact Audio Copy and Feurio are your friends in this task. EAC can be configured to automatically delete silence at the beginning and end of extracted-from-CD tracks. So, if you've got your CD-reader's Read Offset set correctly and the silent gaps span the track breaks, you can have EAC knock 'em off - though I sometimes have trouble getting this to work right. In Feurio, you can configure it to automaticaly *shift* the track breaks so that they fall on frame boundaries - Feurio automatically takes whatever number of samples from the beginning of the 'next' track to fill out an incomplete frame at the end of the 'current' track it's burning. Once you've burned a correct disc this way, you can re-extract and you'll have files that end on frame boundaries. Or if you just wanted the corrected disc, no need to extract. I'm sure there are other methods I've not thought of, but these all have worked, verifiably, for me. If somebody knows of Mac software that has the functions I've mentioned for the Windows s/w, it'd probably be good to chime in. da9ve ------------------------------ From: "Brian Dowling" Subject: 96K/24bit soundcards Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 12:18:54 -0400 I am looking for 2 24bit/96K soundcards. One for a laptop, and one for my desktop. I am looking to record in 96K to both of these. Any suggestions on brands, and reliability? Brian ------------------------------ From: "Luigi Bagatella" Subject: taped: OASIS, Roma 1 may 2002 (sbd!) Reply-To: "Luigi Bagatella" Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:00:07 +0200 I have taped Oasis' set (4 songs, about 20 minutes) at the May Day concert in Roma. I taped from my tv stereo broadcats directly on dat. Unfortunately I can't make dat clones, only copies on CDR or SHN... I will trade for some good Oasis stuff from 1994-1996 period. Send your lists. ciao Luigi http://www.luigibagatella.supereva.it/ ------------------------------ From: BlackCrowes@gmx.net Subject: FT:Mike Tramp (Ex-White Lion)@Eiskeller Ingolstadt 4-29-02 Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 21:08:07 +0200 (MEST) Hi all, although I usually don't offer shows with a flake, I make an exception from the rule here. Ever thought what happened to one of the supergroups of hard rock/heavy metal of the late 80s/early 90s?? I'm talking about "White Lion" here, a group most of you probably know through their ballad "When the children cry" who was no.1 in almost all western countries back then.Well, the spilt up in 1993 (I think) and I haven't heard muchg of them ever since.. Now Mike Tramp (lead singer of White Lion back then) was on the road promoting his solo CD "recovering the wasted years" and I went to see him in an EXTRA small setting...a bar, not much bigger than my parents living room..sold out show with a crowd of 130 persons.. Scored a great tape although it was really hard to tape in such a small venue...one drawback here:Since I had to pretend that I'm also into the music like the other 129 persons that night (band and roadies were already making fun of me since I hardly moved during the two hour set and wore my jacket and baseball hat although it was f***ing hot in there) something got unplugged at the end of the set, leaving my with about 105 minutes of a great sounding tape and without the last song (a staggerng 10 minute version of "Born to run") and an unbelievable speech by one of the smartest and most down to earth rock stars I've ever seen..After the shows they came down the stage, shaked hands, singned everything, stood there for every photo you wanted them to pose for...great, great guys!! Ok, enough words, thought I'd share the tape anyway since there's not many hard rock/heavy metal taping folks out there anymore.. 04-29-02 Mike Tramp@Eiskeller Ingolstadt 105min A OKM II pro>SBM-1>M1 Setliste Mike Tramp: Falling down, If I ainīt gonna rock, Living on the edge, Wait not for me, Candle, Mr. Death, Little fighter, If I live tomorrow, Endless highway, Darkness, Broken heart, Follow your dreams, What I am, Wait, Better off, Livin' a lie, When the children cry, (Born to run-Farewell to you-Born to run) Any folks in Spain:He plays two shows in Barcelone and Madrid may 9th and may 10th. 09.05.02 Barcelona Mephisto 10.05.02 Madrid Ritmo & Compas If you get a chance, go and see him..definitely worth the ride, believe me.. Greetings from Munich, Germany and sorry taking up all the space here... Karsten -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ From: "Chris M." Subject: Do I buy port. DAT now or later? Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 14:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Hi I've been recording live local concerts with a simple MD > Batt. Box > mic setup. Of course, I would one day love to upgrade out of minidisc. The question is, I know that DAT is SLOWLY dying. Since I would be very pleased to have a portable DAT recorder in comparison to my MD, do I buy one now or do I buy one later? Cause something insided me says "if DAT is dying, then I should wait till nobody wants them and dropped prices and used models will be showing up like crazy". but I have heard that manufacturing is being ceased, so maybe there won't be an availability of port. Dat recorders? Now also, if I just wait a few years, won't laptop recording (as well as portable HD recording) be a lot more mainstream? What ever you can recommend or any general advice would be highly helpful. thanks :) ===== Check out my site: http://www.geocities.com/chris_83_01/ChrisDMB.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Paul Gibian" Subject: Grateful Dead Dats Offer - Round 7 Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 16:28:30 -0700 Hi, This is Round 7 of my Dats for CD blanks offer. Since 1997 I have traded dats, primarily Grateful Dead. I am converting my dat collection to cd. This is the 7th batch. I will not break it up into smaller batches so please don't ask. Round 7 goes to one person. If someone wants to get a quick start in the GD and related band dat world this is a great way to do it. Dats are Maxell labeled, Maxell unlabeled, or Sony DDS. Some are 60m, some are 90m. All have printed j-cards with song lists, lineage, etc.. Lineage is as it was provided to me at the time of trade. Caveat emptor, these are great tapes, however, they may have the occasional anomaly. I acquired them primarily through trades on BUDD, Deadlists and other credible sources... The following 71 shows reside on 57 dats. I am also including six (6) new, shrink wrapped Sony DG60P DDS dats. The total number of dats is 63. Several shows are filler on tapes. Several of the dats have filler not listed in this posting. I'll accept four (4) Taiyo Yuden blanks for each dat. This totals 250 cdr blanks. The exchange is well below current market prices for new dat blanks (as published at various sites, including TTapes.) I will pay postage to ship the dats to you for continental US only. If interested, please use the following in the subject field: Grateful Dead Dats Offer - Round 7 Thanks. Paul Gibian Date Location Sets Source GRATEFUL DEAD 01/27/67 Avalon Ballroom - San Francisco, CA Partial A:Rm:D Missing GMLSG 02/13/70 Fillmore East - NYC, NY Late S:Rm:D Dick's Picks V.4 - Trades Not Allowed 02/14/70 Fillmore East - NYC, NY Late S:Rm:D Dick's Picks V.4 - trades not allowed 06/24/70 Capitol Theater - Port Chester, NY Late P A:Cm:C:D Missing sets 1&2, MAMU, Not Fade Away-> Easy Wind, Encore 07/10/70 Fillmore East - NYC, NY Partial A:Rm:D Missing Cold Rain and Snow, MAMU, Easy Wind 09/28/72 Stanley Theatre - Jersey City, NJ 1P,2 S:Rm:R:P:P:D Missing Truckin, 09/11/73 William and Mary College Hall - 1,2 S:Rm:C:D 09/12/73 William and Mary College Hall - 1P,2 S:Rm:C:D:CD Missing Here Comes Sunshine, Loser 09/21/73 The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 1,2P S:Rm:R:D Missing Casey Jones 11/21/73 Denver Coliseum - Denver, CO 1P,2 S:Rm:P:D Missing Me And My Uncle-> Mexicali Blues, LL Rain, 06/16/74 Des Moines State Fair Grandstand - Des 1,2 S:R:C:D:CD 06/20/74 The Omni - Atlanta, GA 2 S:Rm:C:D 06/23/74 Jai-Alai Fronton - Miami, FL 1P,2P Fp:D Gans preFM GDH 041, 112 06/28/74 Boston Garden - Boston, MA 2P F:D GDH 139 and 140? 07/29/74 Capitol Centre - Landover, MD 1,2 S:R:C:CD:D Missing Phil & Ned 08/06/74 Roosevelt Stadium - Jersey City, NJ 1,2,3 S:Rm:C:D:CD Deadlists Tree 10/17/74 Winterland Arena - San Francisco, CA 1,2P S:Rm:R:P:D Missing Sugar Magnolia, Casey Jones 10/19/74 Winterland Arena - San Francisco, CA 1,2 S:Rm:R:D Big River on Dat #2 03/23/75 Kezar Stadium - San Francisco, CA All Fp:Rm:D 08/04/76 Roosevelt Stadium - Jersey City, NJ 1,2 S:Rm:C:P:D 03/19/77 Winterland Arena - San Francisco, CA 1 S:Rm:D:CD 10/11/77 Lloyd Noble Center, U of Oklahoma - Norman 1,2 S:Rm:D 10/29/77 Field House, Northern Illinois U - De Kalb 1,2 S:bR:P:D 11/01/77 COBO Arena - Detroit, MI 1,2 S:Rm:P:D 01/22/78 McArthur Court, U of Oregon - Eugene, OR 1,2 S:Rm:C:D 09/01/79 Holleder Memorial Stadium - Rochester, NY 1,2 A:Cm:C:D 09/05/79 Madison Square Garden - NYC, NY 1 S:Rm:D 12/01/79 Stanley Theater - Pittsburgh, PA 2 S:Cm:D 09/06/80 State Fairgrounds - Lewiston, ME 1,2 Af:Cm:C:D Missing Brokedown Palace encore 11/29/80 Alligator Alley Gum, U of Florida - 1,2 Af:Cm:D 08/10/82 University of Iowa - Iowa City, IA 1,2 S:Cm:D 07/06/84 Alpine Valley Music Theatre - East Troy, WI 1,2 Af:Cm:D:CD:D 06/16/85 Greek Theatre, U. Of California - Berkeley 1,2 A:P:D 09/15/85 Devore Field, Southwestern U - Chula Vista 1P,2 S:P:D Missing encore 02/06/89 Henry J Kaiser Convention Center - Oakland 2 S:D:C:D:CD:D 05/06/89 Frost Amphitheatre - Palo Alto, CA 2 A:D 03/16/90 Capitol Centre - Landover, MD 1,2 S:Cm:D 07/12/90 Robert F. Kennedy Stadium - Washington, DC 1,2 M:D 07/14/90 Foxboro Stadium - Foxboro, MA 1,2 S:D 07/19/90 Deer Creek Music Center - Noblesville, IN 1,2 S:D 09/19/90 Madison Square Garden - NYC, NY 1,2P S:D 10/27/90 The Zenith - Paris, FR 1,2 S:D 10/28/90 The Zenith - Paris, FR 2 A:D 12/09/90 Compton Terrace Amphitheatre - Tempe, AZ 2 S:D 12/12/90 McNichols Sports Arena - Denver, CO 1,2 S:D 12/27/90 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum - Oakland 2 A:D 09/10/91 Madison Square Garden - NYC, NY 1,2 S:D 09/16/91 Madison Square Garden - NYC, NY 2 S:D 09/20/91 Boston Garden - Boston, MA 2 S:D 09/24/91 Boston Garden - Boston, MA 1,2 S:D 10/27/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum - Oakland 1,2 S:D Missing encore 10/31/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum - Oakland 1,2 S:D 11/03/91 Polo Field, Golden Gate Park - San All S:D 12/31/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum - Oakland 1,2 Fp:?:D JERRY GARCIA BAND 11/23/72 Armadillo World Headquarters - Austin, TX 1,2,3 S:Cm:C:D:CD 01/24/73 Boarding House - San Francisco, CA Late Rm:P:D:C:D 06/06/73 Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ 1P,2 A:Rm:D Missing Pig In The Pen 07/23/73 Boarding House - San Francisco, CA Partial S:Rm:D 07/24/73 Homer's Warehouse - Palo Alto, CA Partial Fp:?,D Missing Pig In A Pen 02/09/74 Rheem Theater - Orinda, CA 1,2P S:Rm:D:C:D Missing Lala, Roadrunner, Mystery Train** 11/15/76 Keystone - Berkeley, CA 1P,2P S:?:D 11/23/77 The Palace Theater - Waterbury, CT 1,2 S:Rm:D Missing encore 07/07/79 Keystone Palo Alto - Palo Alto, CA 1 S:Rm:D Missing Jam, Dear Prudence GARCIA & KAHN 07/02/82 Mackey Auditorium - Boulder, CO Early A:Cm:C:C:D 07/02/82 Mackey Auditorium - Boulder, CO Late A:Cm:C:C:D HOT TUNA 01/28/92 The Sweetwater - Mill Valley, CA 1,2P S:D Missing Folsom Prison, Baby What You Want Me To Do WIDESPREAD PANIC 08/08/99 Buttermilk Mountain - Aspen, CO 1,2 Af:D ZERO 05/30/97 The Catalyst - Santa Cruz, CA 1,2 A:D * Generated by TapeTracker for Windows (http://tapetracker.com/) * ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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