DAT-heads Digest #311
removing microgaps ("Paul Kaytes")
ISO: Paul Westerberg instores (JSmoliak@aol.com)
RE: removing track gaps from non DAO burns ("ev")
Spiritualized St. Louis May 3? (Danny Thweatt)
ISO Reel to Reel tapes ("David Foley")
ISO: Tea Party 5/4/02 Rochester, NY ("Mark Weygandt")
Stealth +plus (Jason Neely)
FS: Mics, Stand, Acc. $300 (Tim Cochrane)
Spiritualized / Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (Peter King)
4061s > Sonosax SX-M2 > Sony M1 ("Andy Liu")
Beatlejam 1/20/02 ("Lane Kelly")
ISO: 2002 CSNY shows ("Steve Marshall")
FS: Univenture-Unikeep disc wallets ("Winnie Olmer")
From: "Paul Kaytes" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: removing microgaps
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 21:07:46 -0400
The following might not be the most elegant method, but it's the most
--Using CoolEdit (even the trial version will work for this), open each file
consecutively using File | Open Append. This will give you one long wave
file with all the individual tracks in the right order.
--Zoom in at the Cue Bars (make sure View | Show Cue Bars is enabled) and
delete the silence.
--Save the resulting file
--Respecify the track markers using cdwav www.cdwave.com and reburn the disc
with any program that can burn from a cue sheet.
This may be cumbersome, but at least the gaps will be totally gone (as
opposed to programs that purport to delete silence at file ends, but don't
really), and the new markers will be on sector boundaries so you won't be
passing on poorly tracked discs.
Subject: ISO: Paul Westerberg instores
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 21:33:33 EDT
I'm in search of any good quality dat recordings from Westy's recent instore
tour. I've got the SF show to trade.
From: "ev" <email@example.com>
Subject: RE: removing track gaps from non DAO burns
Reply-To: "ev" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 22:53:35 -0400
Recently I read about WavTrim.
I have never tried it, nor am I in anyway affiliated.
I don't know if there are any pitfalls, sector boundary issues, etc.
But possibly this will prove an efficient and quality tool for someone.
> From: "da9ve stovall" <email@example.com>
> Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 08:09:11 -0700
> Jamie asked:
> >From: spahni <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> >I know this issue had been discused beofre but I recently
> >recieved a trade and 2 of the shows weren't DAO, I mean
> >there not 2 second TAO gaps but the a a slight break. My
> >question is, how can I remove the break in audio without
> >pulling to many teeth. I use a mac G4 400 if it means
> >anything to you
> Shane replied:
> >From: email@example.com
> >This is the method I use. Copy your disc to your HD, open >each
> track in your favorite sound editor, go to the
> >offending area of the track (be it beginning or end), zoom
> >in to about 32:1, place your cursor at the end of the wav
> >and scroll across the blank area. Delete & save. You want
> >to zoom in that close so that you get all of the blank
> >area, and any residual that might be left won't be heard
> >(or seen) when viewed at normal zoom ratio.
> That's basically the method you'll probably have to use, but
> Shane left out a couple crucial details.
> 1. After you cut out the silent gaps, you still have to make
> sure the file ends on a frame boundary, that is, that it contains
> a whole number of frames (a frame being 1/75th of a second, or
> 588 samples in a 44.1KHz .wav/.aiff file). If the file you burn
> to disc doesn't end on a frame boundary, your burning software
> will (most likely) fill out the last incomplete frame with silence
> - which is exactly how the gap got there in the first place.
> You can do the math by hand - most .wav editors display (or
> can be configured to display) the total number of samples in
> a file. Once you have that number, you can determine if it's
> a whole number of frames, or if the last frame is incomplete.
> If the last frame is incomplete, you'll have to copy the missing
> number of samples from the beginning of the file for the following
> song, then repeat the process through the rest of the disc.
> 2. An alternate method will save you a lot of math and a lot
> of manual cutting and pasting. Create a cue sheet from the original
> disc (you can have some software do this automatically, but I'm
> not familiar with the s/w on the Mac side), then, after extracting
> the tracks, and manually deleting the silent gaps, paste them
> all together in the proper sequence into one big .wav/.aiff file
> and use whatever editor or burning program you have that uses
> cue sheets to burn a new copy of the disc using that cue sheet.
> The deleted silent gaps won't be long enough to make that original,
> slightly offset, cue sheet "wrong" - the broken-frame DAO-gaps
> will average 1/150th of a second, so, if you're dealing with
> a disc with, say, fifteen tracks, you'll probably be no more
> than 1/10th of a second off by the last track. No big deal in
> most cases.
> 3. Depending on what .wav/.aiff editor you're using, it may
> be difficult to tell *exactly* where the silent gaps are, even
> if you're zoomed in close. If the interval you're looking at
> is just very quiet, it may *look* silent, but the samples may
> have some non-zero value that just doesn't show up at the resolution
> the editor displays. On the Windows side, Goldwave (www.goldwave.com)
> automatically displays the value (x,y coordinate style) of the
> sample you're floating the mouse-pointer over when you're zoomed
> in sufficiently close (that is, when the window contains no more
> than a few hundred samples across its width). If you have an
> editor for Mac that does this, you can at least tell for sure
> that what you're deleting is well and truly *0*.
> 4. Since you're in the Mac world, I don't know what software
> you have available that might contain these other handy functions,
> but for Windows, Exact Audio Copy and Feurio are your friends
> in this task. EAC can be configured to automatically delete
> silence at the beginning and end of extracted-from-CD tracks.
> So, if you've got your CD-reader's Read Offset set correctly
> and the silent gaps span the track breaks, you can have EAC knock
> 'em off - though I sometimes have trouble getting this to work
> In Feurio, you can configure it to automaticaly *shift* the track
> breaks so that they fall on frame boundaries - Feurio automatically
> takes whatever number of samples from the beginning of the 'next'
> track to fill out an incomplete frame at the end of the 'current'
> track it's burning. Once you've burned a correct disc this way,
> you can re-extract and you'll have files that end on frame boundaries.
> Or if you just wanted the corrected disc, no need to extract.
> I'm sure there are other methods I've not thought of, but these
> all have worked, verifiably, for me. If somebody knows of Mac
> software that has the functions I've mentioned for the Windows
> s/w, it'd probably be good to chime in.
From: DannyThweatt@webtv.net (Danny Thweatt)
Subject: Spiritualized St. Louis May 3?
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 22:44:50 -0500 (CDT)
Anyone get a recording of this great show? I was all set to record and
found out my mic battery was dead. :(
My trade list:
From: "David Foley" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: ISO Reel to Reel tapes
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 08:36:50 +0100
Having finally after many many years acquired a reel to reel tape recorder
(in excellent condition), just for the fun of iot I'd love to get hold of a
bunch of tapes. (I've managed to get a collection of pre-recoreded classical
tapes for dirt-cheap prices too) - if anyone has any tapes they would like
to trade for or can clone tapes etc., I'd love to hear from you.
BWT: One show free of charge from my list to the first digester to contact
me - you just pay postage costs.
From: "Mark Weygandt" <email@example.com>
Subject: ISO: Tea Party 5/4/02 Rochester, NY
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 08:06:45 -0400
Subject says it all. I've got some relatively uncirculated Tea Party to
offer up in trade.
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From: Jason Neely <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Stealth +plus
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 08:40:35 -0400
Sun, 05 May 2002 12:01:32 -0400
Jason Neely <email@example.com>
Universal School of Heuristics
I'm afraid I'm not doing the art much justice with my stealth
recordings. They come out good enough for my tastes, but I could easily
be making tapes that are just a bit better. My rig: SPCMC10 hyper - SP
batt box - D100. I have a shirt with a hole cut in the collar where I
can run the wires to my mics held by a couple of loops. You purists
can say what you will about the hypercardiods, that's my sacrifice for
less crowd noise. However I acknowledge I'm doing something very wrong
using HC mics and a random mic direction. And I want to get the mics
off my body so I can boogie a little. You can see that this isn't a
lavish setup ... and so a full on tripod mikestand would be overkill.
And any show I'm at where I could have a mic stand - there will be
"real" tapers at.
I'd like to have a plan B for the ambiguous situations where I can be a
little more obvious about what I'm doing. I'd like to devise a small
mount for the mics, but don't want to end up with a hand held. I carry
a small roll of duct tape, and could work something out with a cocktail
table or a balcony railing... but I'm thinking more in terms of
amphitheatre FOB or standing on the floor of a G.A. show. Someone here
posted his intent of buying a monopod for this purpose but it never
turned into a thread. STEALTH TAPERS, what do you do?
BWT - 2 show B&P for 1 person http;//db.etree.org/bondibox
From: Tim Cochrane <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: FS: Mics, Stand, Acc. $300
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:43:01 -0400
i have the following for sale in a package, all you need to add is
an MD or DAT and you are ready to go!
1 13 foot stand
1 pair of at933 mics with card caps
1 battery box for the mics
pretty much everything you need to get going once you have an MD
or dat deck.
email me email@example.com
From: Peter King <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Spiritualized / Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT)
hi, if anyone's done any crisp masters of the current
Spiritualized / BRMC tour, I'd love to hear from you.
i did a great master of the show in Denver last month
(dpa4061 > d8), and i'd love to trade with anyone
who's got any spiritualized, current or otherwise.
list (not entirely up to date) @
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From: "Andy Liu" <email@example.com>
Subject: 4061s > Sonosax SX-M2 > Sony M1
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:35:55 -0700
Here I am again with these incessant questions. Anybody running this set
up? I am trying to determine if there is that much advantage to running the
SX-M2 as the phantom power supply and mic pre over the DPA battery box
(MPS6020) and straight into the M1 via Line or Mic-In. The Sonosax is sure
nice for stealthing but slightly bigger than I'd like (I'm afraid it might
get me popped at the door of some venues). What is the typical battery life
of a pair of 150mAh 9V NiMH when running these mics at a rock show (yet
another drawback of the system)?
BWT: One B&P (4CDs, requires $1.03 in postage in a bubble mailer)
GD 9-6-80 Lewiston, ME (sourced Nak 700 and Senn 421)
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From: "Lane Kelly" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Beatlejam 1/20/02
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:42:05 -0400
Is there anyone out there with a copy of the Beatlejam show from 1/20/02
(Webster Theater in Hartford)? I have a nice recording of the show, but
there is a skip during the Vince Welnick set (first song). I'd love to either
get a clean version of this source or use another to patch it up. Please e-
mail me if you can help. Thanks!
From: "Steve Marshall" <email@example.com>
Subject: ISO: 2002 CSNY shows
Reply-To: "Steve Marshall" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:54:41 -0500
I'm looking for the following 2002 CSNY shows:
2/6, 2/17, 2/25, 3/3, 3/27, 4/5, 4/10, 4/11, 4/19, 4/22, 4/28
Lots to trade (including other CSNY shows, McCartney, etc)...
I'm in the process of updating my lists right now. If anyone has any of
these shows, let me know & I'll send you links to my lists (they should
be done tonight). Thanks!!
From: "Winnie Olmer" <email@example.com>
Subject: FS: Univenture-Unikeep disc wallets
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:09:11 -0400
I am changing how I store my CD's. I have 20 of these. They hold 10 CD's per
box in special protective sleeves similar to ProSleeves. They call theirs
"Safety Sleeve". I bought these 2 months ago. They are clean and like new. I
just numbered them. But you can print your own new box covers. Much like
printing CD jewel case inserts. The box has two rings that allow the CD
sleeves to be removed. These sell for $46 + shipping. I'd like to get $30 +
shipping. Check them out at the Univenture web site. Go to the "Unikeeps
Disc Wallets", then the "Unikeeps Disc 10".
They have a Microsoft Word Template which can be used to print new box
covers. The entire box has a thick vinyl sleeve which the new labels can be
CD Trades: www.sover.net/~who/trades.htm
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