DAT-heads Digest #320, Volume #6 Tue, 14 May 02 23:50:00 EDT Contents: Govt. Mule tonight on Kilborne ("Gary Davis") consensus not to modify digest headers (Liam Sean Kennedy) ISO: PLQ 5/21 1 ticket either show (casey coniff) "Rock Show" (Arnold van Heyst) ISO: Gear Case (john.clarke@saltlake2002.com) Re: Weird clipping levels (Len Moskowitz) Re: Weird clipping levels ("neal copperman") Anyone taping Scottypaluza next weekend ? ("Holland, John") mics for sale... (William Draper) extra DATs for trade ("Peter Popivchak") FS: Tascam DA20 ("Charlie Miller") Sony DTC-A6 DAT Machine Service Manual For Sale (SAlpert5@aol.com) the new generation of inexpensive large diaphragm condenser mics (Ethan) SCI 420 and/or 4-21 offer (barren) U.S. Tapers needed!!! (Cale Wedell) iso : Meshell Ndegeocello ("vze2364m") THE mics ("Charles Quinn") Re: Nomad jukebox3 review ("Erick del Valle") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Davis" Subject: Govt. Mule tonight on Kilborne Reply-to: gdavisloop@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:13:36 -0700 Approx 1:25am Tue night (Wed morning) --G ------------------------------ From: Liam Sean Kennedy Subject: consensus not to modify digest headers Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:32:55 -0400 The overwhelming consensus in my non-scientific poll was to keep dat-heads-request as the Reply-To: on outgoing digests. The posting address is included at the bottom of every digest, so you should be able to figure out where to send submissions. That information also indicates how you can get both automated/human assistance with posting problems, as to do the posting rejection messages. Please try the suggestions and automation because I am a bit slow with management tasks right now. Since the dat-heads-request reply-to goes to an automated system, I need to double-check that the response sent back for "I don't understand your request"... indicates the correct address for posting. I am hoping in June to initiate some cleanup of the list management, possibly the digest format itself. If people have further comments, they are welcome. Thanks, Sean ------------------------------ From: casey coniff Subject: ISO: PLQ 5/21 1 ticket either show Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:24:48 -0700 (PDT) I'm looking for one ticket for either or both shows PLQ 5/21, missed the whole thing, had my knee operated on and was ouit of it. Thnaks Casey ===== Casey "Gotta hold on to a piece a dry land" WH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Arnold van Heyst Subject: "Rock Show" Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:23:06 +0200 Who has recorded from a digital sat. radio tuner Tool and Motörhead on BBC Radio 1 "Rock Show", and is willing to clone it to DAT/CD-R? Trade for Tool is a absolutely great "2 meter Session" of Tool in '94! Motörhead? Ask... Thanks in advance, Arnold van Heyst. The Netherlands. Straight Mailto:avan.heyst@quicknet.nl ------------------------------ From: john.clarke@saltlake2002.com Subject: ISO: Gear Case Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:26:36 -0600 ISO: Gear Case I'm looking for a protective case to pack my rig (NAK CM300s, PCM-M1, assorted cables, spreader bar, shock mounts, tapes, etc.). Any suggestions? Thanks. John Clarke Jr. Senior Writer Office: 801-212-2395 Mobile: 435-714-1459 ------------------------------ From: Len Moskowitz Subject: Re: Weird clipping levels Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Neal Copperman wrote: > I've made a few recordings recently where the sound has clipped lower > then I expect it to. Typically 2 or 3 db down from 0. I haven't > changed any of the settings on my DAT (a PCM-M1). The first time I > thought I might have set the filter switch on the mic, so I chalked > it up to operator error. If you're recording very loud sound sources and seeing waveform clipping below the 0 dB digital level, what you're most likely seeing is mic pre-amp overload. Add a simple pad (attenuator cable) between the mics and the mic input, lowering the max level the mic pre-amp will see, and the problem will go away. (Also, be sure that you've set the -M1 to the 20 dB/low sensitivity setting.) I hope this helped! Len Moskowitz Binaural StealthMics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 ------------------------------ From: "neal copperman" Subject: Re: Weird clipping levels Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:25:58 -0000 Len Moskowitz said: > If you're recording very loud sound sources and seeing waveform clipping > below the 0 dB digital level, what you're most likely seeing is mic > pre-amp overload. Add a simple pad (attenuator cable) between the mics > and the mic input, lowering the max level the mic pre-amp will see, and > the problem will go away. So far that seems to be the consensus. As a follow-on question, what does it take for a mic to recover from pre-amp overload? On my recording, the lower level clipping continued after I lowered the input levels. In one instance, after a break and tape change, the recording is fine with no modification to the settings. When you say "very loud sound sources", does that just mean recording enough to make it clip at 0 dB? The shows themselves really aren't that loud, though I could certainly make them appear loud to the DAT by setting the levels really high. In both these cases, it seems like the levels are just a little high and the recording of the entire show is impacted by being somewhat high up front. I'm thinking that going back to recording my shows at a lower level will be the simplest answer. But it's nice to understand how I'm screwing up. Also, I'm not too knowledgable on engineering and gear and the like. What is an attenuater cable and where would I get one? > (Also, be sure that you've set the -M1 to the 20 dB/low sensitivity > setting.) First thing I checked!! > I hope this helped! Thanks... it's a start. I usually take a few rounds before I'm completely helped :) neal ------------------------------ From: "Holland, John" Subject: Anyone taping Scottypaluza next weekend ? Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:32:34 -0400 Greetings, If anyone out there is definitely taping at Scottypaluza next weekend, please contact me offline at jah420@bellsouth.net . I'm hoping that some kind soul will be willing to miss the All-Mighty Senators on Sat. afternoon in favor of taping Active Ingredients, a band I've been recording for a while (check out activeingredients.net) . I had planned on attending but it's not looking to favorable. I'll be able to provide BACK-STAGE PASS as well as tapes/batteries if necessary, as well as a Board patch. Of course, you can also have anything off my soon-to-be-completed list. Also, I taped a great show in Atlanta on 4-19-02: John Scofield at the Variety Playhouse. Source is matched Oktava MC012s w/ hypercard caps > Graham Patten DMIC-20 > Oade coax to 7pin > Sony D7 > Zoltrix Nightengale SPDIF > Samplitude 6.0 > 48K to 44.1K > CD. Taped from third row ORTF w/ mics 9' high. I'll take B&P for first 5 heads to respond offline at jah420@bellsouth.net Winners only notified. Thanks for the space, John ------------------------------ From: William Draper Subject: mics for sale... Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:47:08 -0400 i'm selling a set of sound pros at853 mics with cardioid and hypercardioid elements, a sound pros battery box with variable bass roll-off, and custom shockmounts and t-bars for mounting the mics on a stand. check out these links for detailed info: mics (without clips, with large windscreens): http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=120&ite m=SP-CMC-4&type=store http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=320&ite m=AT853H-ELE&type=store http://www.audiotechnica.com/prodpro/profiles/AT853a.html http://www.audiotechnica.com/prodpro/addinfo/AT853ELE.pdf battery box (with bass roll-off but no level control): http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=310&ite m=SP-SPSB-3&type=store shockmounts and t-bars: http://www.310furches.com/billpage/mic.htm mp3 clips: carbon leaf - the boxer (xy-90, card) http://www.310furches.com/billpage/mp3/cleaf.mp3 railroad earth - cold water (xy-90, card) http://www.310furches.com/billpage/mp3/rearth.mp3 cast iron filter - running free (xy-90, card) http://www.310furches.com/billpage/mp3/cifilter.mp3 emma gibbs band - 99 flood (xy-90, card) http://www.310furches.com/billpage/mp3/egibbs.mp3 john mayer - love song for no one (din, hyper) http://www.310furches.com/billpage/mp3/jmayer.mp3 I'm asking $275 obo. let me know. bill ------------------------------ From: "Peter Popivchak" Subject: extra DATs for trade Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:28:06 -0400 Hey Now, Getting myself a little organized and found several dup DATs... I'm looking for new blanks (in wrappers), preferably Maxell. Here's what I got: *Legion of Mary 8/30/74 UC Davis sdbd 60 meter *Gov't Mule 9/24/95 Nashville TN sdbd 60 meter *Jorma Kaukonen 3/20/00 Milwaukee WI sdbd 90 meter *Oysterhead 11/9/01 Utica, NY daud (Neuman km140 > Lunatec V2 > DA-P1) If interested, please contact me directly: ppopivch@nycap.rr.com Peace, Pete ------------------------------ From: "Charlie Miller" Subject: FS: Tascam DA20 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:05:10 -0700 I have a Tascam DA20 for sale. It has new heads in it which have less than one hour of use on them. I have a new Sony R500, so I no longer need the DA20. There was only one problem that I noticed with this deck, some tapes would not get perfect 0's on the error rates. There was no diginosie or any other noise, but the numbers would jump around. This would happen on one out of every 10 tapes. I'm selling it as is. The new heads cost over $400. I'll sell the unit for $300 or best offer. If I get no offers here, it'll hit ebay next week. Buyer pays shipping.....cm ------------------------------ From: SAlpert5@aol.com Subject: Sony DTC-A6 DAT Machine Service Manual For Sale Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:45:25 -0400 There were no bids on the Sony DTC-A6 Service Manual I placed up for auction before on E-bay, so I have re-listed it with a lower opening bid of only $3.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1352374760 Sony part number 9-960-706-11, the service manual for the Sony DTC-A6 DAT Recorder. The service manual is in great condition. Manual contains all the instructions, schematics, adjustments, board layouts, exploded diagrams, and parts lists. Hope this sells to a fellow DAT-head. ------------------------------ From: Ethan Subject: the new generation of inexpensive large diaphragm condenser mics Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:24:09 -0700 (PDT) I've been trying to figure out what I'd like to try recording with and I came across alot of downright cheap, large diaphragm mics from several manufacturers (CAD, Samson, MCA (?)). Of course they can't be in the same league as the big guys.... I mean, how much mic are you goin to get for $69. I wonder if perhaps with a few internal component upgrades, a really nice sounding mic which is nearly disposable in price can be had/made.... Has anyone here played with any on these mics? (GXL2200, GXL400, C01, etc..). Are they hopeless, or decent enough to use for concert recording or home studio use. Ethan ===== "God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural fluids" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: barren Subject: SCI 420 and/or 4-21 offer Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:45:10 -0400 Hey All, Thanks to the gererosity of DRider I've got some nice dat clones of these fine shows at the Fabulous Fox in Atlanta. These two shows are each on 2) 60m dats. I'll take five or so trade or b&p. Dat only please. Source: Josephson C-603/KA-500(hyper)>Denecke PS-1A's>Zefiro Inbox>PCM-M1 Please contact me offlist. Thanks. Later, John ------------------------------ From: Cale Wedell Subject: U.S. Tapers needed!!! Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:54:03 -0700 (PDT) I need someone to tape these NEBULA shows for me: Mon 5/20/02 Silverlake, CA Spaceland Free Show Fri 5/24/02 Huntington Beach, CA The Liquid Den Sin City Holdouts, Smoke In Sunshine Mon 5/27/02 Silverlake, CA Spaceland Free Show Thu 5/30/02 Knoxville, TN Blue Cats Nashville Pussy Fri 5/31/02 Carrboro, NC Cats Cradle Nashville Pussy Sat 6/01/02 Richmond, VA Canal Club Nashville Pussy Mon 6/03/02 Hoboken, NJ Maxwells Tue 6/04/02 Cambridge, MA Middle East Downstairs Nashville Pussy Wed 6/05/02 Asbury Park, NJ Stone Pony Nashville Pussy Thu 6/06/02 New London, CT El-N-Gee Club Nashville Pussy Fri 6/07/02 New York City, NY Irving Plaza Nashville Pussy Sat 6/08/02 Philadelphia, PA Trocadero Theater Nashville Pussy Tue 6/11/02 Winooski, VT Higher Ground Nashville Pussy Thu 6/13/02 Pittsburgh, PA Club Laga Nashville Pussy Fri 6/14/02 Detroit, MI Majestic Theatre Nashville Pussy Sat 6/15/02 Cleveland, OH Agora Theater Nashville Pussy Thu 6/20/02 Indianapolis, IN Patio Nashville Pussy Sat 6/22/02 St. Louis, MO Mississippi Nights Nashville Pussy Sat 6/29/02 Austin, TX Emo's Alternative Lounging Nashville Pussy If you could get a recording/poster/flyer, it would be greatly appreciated. I have lots to offer, and i'm easy to work with. Please email me (calewedell@yahoo.com) if your available. I am also interested in any past NEBULA recordings. ===== http://aerozeppelin.hypermart.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "vze2364m" Subject: iso : Meshell Ndegeocello Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:50:32 -0400 I am desperately seeking Meshell Ndegeocello new or old . Cdr or dat The upcoming concert is as follows: I will go half on a ticket as well as send two dats.Onr for your keeping as well as myself . Please email me if you are available for the task! . ============================================= May 14 San Francisco, CA @ Bimbo's May 15 San Francisco, CA @ Bimbo's May 16 Denver, CO @ Bluebird May 18 St. Louis, MO @ Mississippi Nights May 19 Chicago, IL @ Park West May 20 Detroit, MI @ The Majestic Theater May 21 Cleveland, OH @ Agora Theater May 22 Cleveland, OH @ Agora Theater May 29 Atlanta, GA @ Variety Playhouse June 1 Brooklyn, NY @ Warsaw June 2 New York @ Bowery Ballroom June 4 Los Angeles @ The Roxy -- Tix on sale Saturday 4/20!!! June 5 Los Angeles @ The Roxy -- Tix on sale Saturday 4/20!!! June 8 Washington, DC @ Capital Jazz Fest June 9 Philadelphia, PA @ Trocadero July 4 New Orleans, LA @ Louisiana Superdome and 16-May DENVER, CO @ BLUEBIRD THEATER 18-May ST. LOUIS, MO @ MISSISSIPPI NIGHTS 19-May CHICAGO, IL @ PARK WEST 20-May DETROIT, MI @ MAJESTIC THEATER 22-May CLEVELAND, OH @ AGORA THEATER 29-May ATLANTA, GA @ VARIETY PLAYHOUSE 2-Jun NEW YORK, NY @ BOWERY BALLROOM 8-Jun WASHINGTON, DC @ CAPITAL JAZZ FEST 4-Jul NEW ORLEANS, LA @ LOUISIANA SUP ------------------------------ From: "Charles Quinn" Subject: THE mics Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:35:20 -0700 Has anyone used any of these. Friend would like opinions. http://www.theaudio.com/theproducts.html Chuck Quinn ------------------------------ From: "Erick del Valle" Subject: Re: Nomad jukebox3 review Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 23:28:24 -0400 Hi, this was posted in a pair of professional audio forums: by Jay Massengill on May 1 , 2002 at 10:28 am I've done some testing on a digital recorder that I purchased 10 days ago. I feel I can now recommend it as a handy digital recorder for back-up and auxiliary recording duties. Before anybody scolds me for recommending a consumer-grade device, I do have a Deva and I'm aware of consumer equipment pitfalls. With that said, this device is the lowest cost way i've found to record uncompressed 16-bit wav files at a variety of sampling rates up to 48k. The device is the Creative Nomad Jukebox, primarily intended for mp3 playback. However, it also makes very good quality recordings from its line-level stereo mini-jack. The Jukebox is about the size and weight of a CD Walkman. I purchased mine for $200 with a 6gig harddrive and there are 10gig and 20gig models also available. Soon the Jukebox 3 will be available with a 20gig drive, optical digital input, double lithium-ion batteries and firewire file transfer. Price should be around $370. Initial testing of my Jukebox consisted of recording CD analog output to the Jukebox analog in. Results were very good. Next I used a Sound Devices MixPre as the front end and recorded dialog with a variety of mics. Results were very good. Input gain on the Jukebox is adjustable on the fly. This test also revealed that both the headphone output and the dual stereo line outs have a significant delay during recording loop-through. Next I simulated a double-system recording using a JVC GY-DV500U camera, the MixPre and the Jukebox all running on batteries at 48k. Drift was approximately 1 video frame in 8 minutes. I've since purchased a second Jukebox and intend to test its drift rate in relation to both the camera and the first Jukebox. Long recordings are automatically broken into segments. Operating software version 2.94 broke the files at 10 minute intervals. I was able to instantly paste these back together in Sonic Foundry Vegas Audio with no clicks or pops, even if the break occured in the middle of a word. The latest version of the software (2.95) is listed as breaking files at 15 minute intervals. It also lists the ability to break files on the fly by pressing the "skip forward" button. When stopping a recording, you have the choice to keep it or immediately discard it. I highly recommend downloading (www.nomadworld.com) and flashing the latest operating software to the device. It's very fast and easy. The Jukebox allows direct file transfer to and from Mac and Windows computers by USB. Transfer time for a 16-bit stereo wav at 48k is about 2x realtime. You can also control playback of the device by computer via its software interface. The Jukebox is powered by 4 AA NiMH rechargeable batteries. Recording and playing back 16-bit wav files is a very heavy drain. Running time is only about an hour. However, the device does have an external 12-volt input, so running from an NP-1 or a car battery is also possible. I havent tested the ability of the harddrive to record perfectly during movement. All recording was done in a stationary position. I suspect that you could hand-hold the device and be ok, but I wouldnt try wearing it on the hip. I highly recommend this device for a variety of back-up, secondary or auxiliary recording and playback duties. There's no other way I know of to do this level of non-linear digital recording in a small self-contained package for $200. They are so small, inexpensive and easy to use that i'm still coming up with ways they will be helpful. posted by AKA soundguy63 From: "Jamie Lutch" Subject: Nomad jukebox3 review Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 10:13:41 -0700 DATs not dead yet (tho I wish it were, this would be awesome if it worked....) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/laptop-tapers/message/1817 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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