DAT-heads Digest #322, Volume #6 Thu, 16 May 02 19:50:00 EDT Contents: FS: Nickelback Milwaukee tix ("Vikas Bhatia") FS: Eco-Charge "Sigma" 6v (great for a D-8) $100 Delivered!! ("Boulder Taper") *LONG* post: Re: XLR or 1/8" Cable Question...MP-2 Users...Please Help a Taping Newbie (David Carmean) FT - Saxon - 4-8-2002 , Cleveland ("bfand") Apex DVD Players ("Gary Davis") FS: pair of Bonnaroo tix (Joshua) re: the next generation of inexpensive large diaphragm condenser ("Taraszki, Craig") ISO: PLQ 5/21 ticket (casey coniff) fs $1,200 mbho603a/actives/ka200 ("Darrin Sacks") test (Mexminute@aol.com) need setlist info: ("KUZEN J") Re: XLR or 1/8" Cable Question...MP-2 Users... ("Degrado, Rob") Kerrville Taping (Bob Crockett) Where to buy DPA microphones? (Dav) Taping Policies (john.clarke@saltlake2002.com) Re: DAT-heads Digest #321 (macarone@mindspring.com) Elvis Costello on KCRW 5/17/02 (Reboot) Some of my Pictures of LCFFFB at Tip's! ("Bob Silver") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vikas Bhatia" Subject: FS: Nickelback Milwaukee tix Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 23:06:11 -0500 7/4/2002 marcus amph: milwaukee, wi got a pair of tix for this show but cant make it. jerry cantrell and default are also on the bill. seats are under the covered section, sec 1 row S. if interested, please contact me. paid 72.60 for the pair, lookin for the same in return, i'll take care of shipping. thanks ------------------------------ From: "Boulder Taper" Subject: FS: Eco-Charge "Sigma" 6v (great for a D-8) $100 Delivered!! Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:12:50 -0600 Hi all! I am looking to send this battery system to a good home. It will power a Sony D-8 for approximately 15hrs. You can read all about it here-> http://www.eco-charge.com/sigma.htm I have used it maybe 20 times. My first deck was a D-8 and I moved to a P-1 soon after. The battery system has been sitting in my studio ever since. I am asking $100.00 for the battery, Sony power cable adapter and the Smart charger. This price includes UPS ground shipping insured for the full value of the purchase price. Please e-mail me off list and I will ship ASAP. Thanks! -Ross ------------------------------ From: David Carmean Subject: *LONG* post: Re: XLR or 1/8" Cable Question...MP-2 Users...Please Help a Taping Newbie Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 23:00:21 -0700 I just received my MP-2, and I use a Sony M1 which only has a consumer-level line input, so the following is all theoretical at this point, but... On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 08:48:49PM -0400, steven wolf wrote: > Im so confused... > My rig is going to be the following setup > Microtech Gefell M210 (hypers)>MP-2>DA-P1 > I have the usual XLR>XLR to go from mics to Pre > But what is the best to use w/ the MP-2 to go to the P1 > Ive heard conflicting stories about using the 1/8" Stero>RCA vs going > XLR>XLR from the Pre>P1... > All this stuff about the cables carrying more gain and unbalanced vs > balanced cables... > Can Someone PLEASE give me a low down on this > I hear the Gefells run hot..And I KNOW the MP-2 does too > I've heard so many differing opinions and dont know what to make of them > all... > > For example > 1) "The line in XLR on the DA-P1 is +4 dBu referenced and RCA is > -10 dBu. No, consumer (RCA) is -10dBV, which is about -7.8dBu. > Even with the MP-2 at it's lowest gain > you could have too hot a signal for the -10 dBu referenced input > which would require you to lower the rec level on the DA-P1. XLR in > on the DA-P1 handles a much hotter signal." Right, you do *not* want to use an adapter to plug the +4dBu XLR output into the -10dBV RCA inputs; you'd overdrive the RCA inputs. > Wouldnt this be a good thing considering my MG210's are HOT and the MP-2 can > run Hot as well?? Wrong direction. > 2) Your point about the -4dbu vs. +10dbu is a good > one, but keep in mind that the XLR outs of the MP2 are 10dbu hotter > than the mini out. So if you compare XLR>XLR or mini>RCA, the > difference of using the RCAs on the P1 is only 4dbu, not 14dbu. > With this small difference, I wouldn't imagine that the REC knob > would be set too much lower using the RCAs. I know on the MP2 that > the XLR out runs the signal through an additional 6 transistors, not > sure about the P1. Signs and units mixed up, but close. When the MP-2's XLR outs are at +4dBu, the 1/8" "tape out" is at -6dBu or -8.8dBV. So yes, you might need to run the level knob on the tape deck a little lower. > Oiy..Contradictions..And what the hell are Transistors??? Uhh...what the world runs on. Unless you're a tube freak. > 3) In addition lets not forget why balanced cables were created. > Unbalanced cables are susceptible to noise and ground loops where > the scheme for balanced cables is capable of removing noise and > assuring a clean signal transfer. > > English...Anyone :) > > 4) I believe that using the minijack gives you a minimum 6db gain > and the XLRs give you a minimum 16db gain. I almost exclusively > tape loud concerts and I use very minimal gain on the MP-2 (5db > max); sometimes I don't need any gain at all. The 210s are HOT > mics! With an extra 10db of gain with the XLRs, it may be better to > use the -10db pads on the mics if you are taping a loud show. I > never tape bluegrass or anything like that so I don't know what > settings you would use if you tape softer or unamplified music. > > More about this gain in the cables > Can someone please explain that? No such thing! Probably confusing the specification of voltage gain mic input and the XLR output vs. the "tape out". > Opinions Please > Im dying to hear some Here's what I plan to do, but remember, I *only* have -10dBV consumer input: 1: Plug the 1/8" "tape out" from the MP-2 into my M1's Line In, and the line-out to the MP-2 tape return. 2: With mics plugged in and pointing at my stereo speakers playing white/pink (or FM inter-station) noise, adjust the stereo volume and/or MP-2 mic gain so that the MP-2 just reads +12dBu on the meter. (A "pro" would do this with a test oscillator.) 3: Adjust the M-1 input level such that it reads -2dB. 4: Tweak things so that the MP-2 +16dBu light comes on a little before the "over" indicator on the M1 meter comes on. 5: Tweak the tape return level pots on the MP-2 so that the headphone level is the same whether I"m listening to the mics or the tape return. 6: Tweak the MP-2 limiter thresholds 'till they kick in just before the +16dBu light on the MP-2 level meter comes on. What I just found on the first pass at doing this was that my M1 knob is at about 6; I'll tape it there with gaffer's tape. So when the MP-2 is showing +4dBu, my M-1 is showing the recommended -12dBfs. I also found that with the limiter switched on, I *cannot* overdrive my M1 now :o) I don't know how good the level meter is on the DA-P1, but it's tiny on the M1, so a big part of the above procedure was to "calibrate" the MP-2 meter to the M1; then because the MP-2 meter is so damned BRIGHT I'll probably cover the LEDs with a layer or two of masking tape. Hope this helps... Bottom line: I would recommend that you connect the MP-2 XLR line-out to your DA-P1 XLR connectors AT LINE LEVEL setting. Then adjust the DA-P1 input level knob like I did above. I think the quality of the MP-2 is good enough such that any possible degradation because of any extra circuitry to drive the balanced XLR output is more than made up for by the robustness of the locking XLR connectors, the reduced chance for noise pickup with the balanced cables, and the reduced gain required at the other end (the DA-P1 has to amplify the signal less). ------------------------------ From: "bfand" Subject: FT - Saxon - 4-8-2002 , Cleveland Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:50:27 -0400 For Trade - Saxon, 4-8-2002, Peabody's, Cleveland, Ohio ------------------------------ From: "Gary Davis" Subject: Apex DVD Players Reply-to: gdavisloop@earthlink.net Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:44:56 -0700 By far the best Apex model to get now is the AD-1500. It's sold for as low as $65 and has a number of tricks I'll explain later. But unfortunately, it's been replaced by cheaper models (AD-1200 and AD-1100) which aren't nearly as good. In addition to playing DVDs and MP3s, the AD-1500 can play all forms of VCD and SVCD, including, the so-called CD-DVD format which records an SVCD at 4X speed and 5Mbps to give true DVD- quality (for 20 minutes). The AD-1500 is said to work only marginally with so-called Mini-DVDs, which is the actual DVD format recorded onto a CD. I'm pretty sure it will play back PAL discs as NTSC, but I haven't actually tried this. In order to defeat macrovision and regional coding, you need an AD- 1500 with a serial number beginning A,B,C, or D. If you find one in a store you can check this, but it's much harder if you're buying mail order. With these models, you can "flash" the ROM software simply by burning a disc with the correct software and loading it into the slot - no need to dissasemble the machine! Many people are selling this model on E-bay with the "hack" already complete, but the bidding process frustrates me. However, I found one dealer who will sell them "off-ebay" for $100, shipped, PayPal credit-card price. He sent me a machine that looked like it was factory packed, but the hack was already in place. I have no affilliation other than buying a machine from this person; his email is: disneyshopper@prodigy.net As always, you can go to www.nerd-out.com/apex for lots of Apex information. Select discussion groups, then AD-1000/AD-1500 for more info on this model. --Gary ------------------------------ From: Joshua Subject: FS: pair of Bonnaroo tix Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 04:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Howdy y'all - I've got a pair of Bonnaroo tix to unload....I believe the cost of the pair was $216 - I'll take face value. Thanks! -Josh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Taraszki, Craig" Subject: re: the next generation of inexpensive large diaphragm condenser Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:46:20 -0400 I use a pair of ADK A51TL's with excellent results. While these aren't the "super-cheap" $200/pair mics, they are a multi-pattern (card, hyper, fig8, omni) transformerless design that can be found in matched pairs with case, windscreens and shockmounts for about $850. Compared to a pair of Neumann TLM170's @ >$3000/pair, which I have used many times before getting the ADK's, they are quite a bargain. See http://www.adk.cc/ for more info. Let me also add that Larry Villela, their customer service rep, is one of the best people I've ever had the pleasure to deal with. He'll go out of his way to make sure you are satisfied with the mics. > From: Ethan > Subject: the new generation of inexpensive large diaphragm condenser mics > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:24:09 -0700 (PDT) > Has anyone here played with any on these mics? (GXL2200, GXL400, C01, > etc..). Are they hopeless, or decent enough to use for concert recording > or home studio use. ------------------------------ From: casey coniff Subject: ISO: PLQ 5/21 ticket Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Still looking for one ticket to either or both show 5/21 Irving Plaza, really want to tape this show. TAX: I'll take 5 b&p PLQ 5/5/02 ===== Casey "Gotta hold on to a piece a dry land" WH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Darrin Sacks" Subject: fs $1,200 mbho603a/actives/ka200 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:07:34 -0600 We=92ve found a buyer for the omni caps and are now offering the = following low profile setup: =A0 =A0 2=A0=A0=A0=A0 MBHO 603a Microphone Bodies (Matched Pair, Serial Numbers = 110 and 111) with Active Cables and mic capsule clips)=20 =A0 2=A0=A0=A0=A0 KA 200 Cardiod Capsules (Matched Pair) =A0 2=A0=A0=A0=A0 Mic Boxes =A0 Mics, cables, capsules are in like-new condition. Original owner, purchased new spring 2001.=A0 Digital Photographs available. =A0 $1,200 for entire package, includes shipping (w/insurance) to your doorstep (shipping within continental US) =A0 This is an excellent system for making unobtrusive (fob/stealth) recordings=97the exposed capsules/active cables are of the same form factor as the far costlier schoeps/Neumann/b&k setups.=A0=20 =A0 Shifting priorities require us to change the rig a bit...... =A0 Thanks, =A0 Darrin (dsacks@pcisys.net) ------------------------------ From: Mexminute@aol.com Subject: test Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:07:57 EDT ------------------------------ From: "KUZEN J" Subject: need setlist info: Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:26:39 -0400 Need the setlist for Vida Blue 4-25-02 Myrtle Beach,SC. I have searched every where for it and can't find it anywhere. Thanks, KUZEN _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Degrado, Rob" Subject: Re: XLR or 1/8" Cable Question...MP-2 Users... Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:08:20 -0700 From: "steven wolf" My rig is going to be the following setup Microtech Gefell M210 (hypers)>MP-2>DA-P1 I have the usual XLR>XLR to go from mics to Pre But what is the best to use w/ the MP-2 to go to the P1 Ive heard conflicting stories about using the 1/8" Stero>RCA vs going XLR>XLR from the Pre>P1... All this stuff about the cables carrying more gain and unbalanced vs balanced cables... ==================================== I used to use a 1/8" split to two RCA's (single Monster Cable) from the "tape out" of the MP-2 into the two analog in's on my DA-P1. Although I never had a problem with this cable I didn't like the flimsy connection of the 1/8" (male) in the MP-2. Last year, someone here on dat-heads suggested using two separate XLR to RCA cables and I thought, hmmm...why didn't I think of that?!?! Cruised over to my local Guitar Center the next day and picked up a pair. ------------------------------ From: Bob Crockett Subject: Kerrville Taping Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:08:13 -0500 >Random Gnome Generator wrote: > >Does anybody know if taping allowed at the Kerrville Folk Festival? I >was unable to find any info on their website or in the dat-heads archive. I know the answer to _that_ question! After 28 years (this will be my 29th) working staff at the Kerrville Festivals (mostly in theater security) I guess I ought to know! There are as many as six acts appearing each night. Often there are "special guest" performers (you never know who might show up on our stage) This created all sorts of possibilities for copyright and management problems, so the following has been in effect for many years and remains in effect this year and for the foreseeable future. ============================ There is no taping of the main stage acts or performers at the Threadgill Theatre (in the campgrounds) at any time _except_ by prior arrangements with the artist(s). You Will Need To Check In With The Festival V.I.P. Desk And Obtain PRESS CREDENTIALS!! The producer can notify theatre security by radio who you are, who you are taping, and that you _do_ have the artist's and the producer's permission. Theatre security is trained to look for recording gear, and all bags entering and inside the theaters are subject to search. ============================ This applies to audio and video taping, still photography _is_ allowed. Taping in the campgrounds _is_ allowed. Of course you should have permission from the folks being taped. When these policies have been violated, the parties involved have been asked to accompany the security staff out of the theatre, and had their tapes erased. I sincerely hope this doesn't cause anyone any difficulty, as the Kerrville Festivals have been more fun than anything I've ever done with my clothes on for a lot of years. I look forward to many more to come, and I hope many of y'all will join us. I also hope no one sees this as a challenge, but that all will simply recognize that these artiste make their living doing this and the festival staff is dedicated to helping them do so. Come see us May 23rd through June 9th. Ask for Bob Crockett! Bob ------------------------------ From: Dav Subject: Where to buy DPA microphones? Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:10:56 -0400 I'm interested in buying a pair of DPA 4060 microphones and some accessories for them. Does anyone know of any online retailers who sell DPA products? TIA, David http://members.cox.net/dattrader/ ------------------------------ From: john.clarke@saltlake2002.com Subject: Taping Policies Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:40:28 -0600 Does anyone know the taping policies of Lucinda Williams, John Hiatt and/or Nanci Griffith? They are coming to my area in a span of one week and I'd like to tape them. Any info would be a huge help. Thanks! Drop me an e-mail if you can help out. John Clarke Jr. ------------------------------ From: macarone@mindspring.com Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #321 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:47:18 -0400 >about an Apex DVD player that can play DVD's encoded for other regions as >well as do some other neat tricks that consumer models are typically not >supposed to do. Does anyone know the model number of that DVD player and if >its still available? If not, are there any other DVD players on the market >that can do the same thing? Start here: http://www.nerd-out.com/apexold/ http://www.nerd-out.com/forum/ should also lead to some interesting links ------------------------------ From: Reboot Subject: Elvis Costello on KCRW 5/17/02 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Hi, I'm looking for someone to tape Elvis Costello on KCRW's Morning Becomes Eclectic, Friday May 17th... If anyone does, please contact me and hopefully we can set up a trade. thanks, Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Bob Silver" Subject: Some of my Pictures of LCFFFB at Tip's! Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:56:07 -0400 I just learned that I can upload some of the pictures that I took in NOLA...so here is the link! http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=34555002403&n=788301182 Gather the memories and spread the love!! Peace, Boca Bob Silver ~~ ) ~~~~ )> ~~~~ )> ~~ http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/b/o/bocabob/TAPELIST.HTM http://www.thephilzone.com/ ~~ ) ~~~~ )> ~~~~ )> ~~ ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************