DAT-heads Digest #345
Contents:
Re: Loud Crowd (Thomas Wulf)
RE: WANTED: Sony PCM-M1 ("American-Digital")
Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum? (wilkinsmd@attbi.com)
RE: Question about IR control of DAT ("Ragan Todd")
ISO Summerfest Tapers ("Todd Norman")
Cable question ("Joe Sweetser")
Re: DiO 2448/Zoltrix cards... ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
12v to 9v dc converter... (William Draper)
Re: Mic selection and crowd noise - DPA 4061s (Len Moskowitz)
beth orton anyone? (david)
Re: phase cancellation (Todd Romero)
anyone tape spun? (Monty-Jay)
D7 Battery ("Ketan M. Vakil")
New Floyd/U2/Yes/Neil Young masters for trade (Vinesh Narayan)
LONESOME BOB LIVE SBD CDR KENDALL CAFE 6-1-02 ("eD")
THE GOSSIP LIVE CAMBRIDGE 5-31-02 CDR FT ("eD")
MERLE SAUNDERS (CCFLAMEWORKS@webtv.net)
Rush summer tour (Delano)
Looking for Macca 2002 FTP SHN trades ("rush fan")
ISO: USED D8 (Alex Roche)
From: Thomas Wulf <TaWulf@wulfware.de>
Subject: Re: Loud Crowd
Reply-To: Thomas Wulf <TaWulf@wulfware.de>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:15:43 +0200
>> Highlight the loud applause and turn the volume down! I find the
>> best way is to make a "smile curve" with the
Transform>>Amplitude>Envelope feature in Cool Edit/Pro. With this
outch! this is really bad advice, unless the applause and the music
are totally separate. to lower the volume of the clapping you may&must
NOT adjust the *volume* but the *dynamics* of the stretches of applause
during music. this will lower louder signals ( the claps) while
preserving the lower portions (the music).
cooledit lets you do this with the Transform>>Amplitude>Dynamics Processing
command. take your time to find the right values and you'll get
perfect results! the basic procedure would be to find a good breakoff
point and a good angle by which to lower the dynamic profile. (which
is the diagonal line going from the lower left to the upper right of
the diagram.. the breakoff point would be above the music volume and
you have to lower the right rest of the line by some angle)
for this to work the claps indeed should be the loudest signals of the
portion of your recording you want to correct.
hth
:):):)
Thomas mailto:TaWulf@wulfware.de
From: "American-Digital" <heath@am-dig.com>
Subject: RE: WANTED: Sony PCM-M1
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:55:36 -0400
Cale, (and all)
We've got plenty of M1's ready to go. Call or email for details. See
you at Bonnaroo!!!! (Those who are going, that is)
Link to M1:
http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/product.asp?p=46&c=13
Best regards,
Heath Condiotte
American-Digital
25 Van Zant St.
Suite 1A
Norwalk, CT 06855
(203)838-9992-direct line
1-888-872-3287-toll free
www.american-digital.com
heath@am-dig.com
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>From: Cale Wedell <calewedell@yahoo.com>
>Subject: WANTED: Sony PCM-M1
>Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I'm looking to invest in a Sony PCM-M1, new or used.
>If you have one for sale or know someone who's wanting
>to get rid of one, please send me an email
>(calewedell@yahoo.com)
>Thanks in advance!
>=====
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From: wilkinsmd@attbi.com
Subject: Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum?
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:16:21 +0000
Wondering if anyone has used any of the new Audigy or
Extigy boards from Creative Labs for DAT transfer? The
one I'm looking at is the Audigy Platinum which
supposedly has bidirectional digital interfaces.
Creative doesn't have a very good reputation in this
area, at one point their cards automatically resampled
everything to 48KHz, or allowed digital in but not out,
etc. The price seems reasonable and the potential for
combining computer sound with digital I/O onto one card
is alluring. Just wondering if they've gotten their act
together in this area with these new boards.
If anyone tried or has one would you mind dropping me a
line with the details of what it can or can't do and how
well it did or didn't work (including the OS you used).
Thanks for any info!
Mark
From: "Ragan Todd" <rhinelander2130@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Question about IR control of DAT
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 14:06:15 +0000
The Sony breakout box you mention is the RM-D100K. I have one that I
use to connect my M1 to my standalone burner. It's AC powered, so it's not
much in demand among tapers. I've never used the IR/timer functions so I
can't comment on how well they work.
I bought mine a year ago from Oade ($175), and it is still listed on
the B & H Photo web site, but out of stock. Maybe one of the vendors on the
list still has one.
Ragan
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From: "Todd Norman" <norma023@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: ISO Summerfest Tapers
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:54:27 -0500
am looking for someome in the Milwaukee area who tapes at Summerfest and has
plans on attending this years event
email me off list please
From: "Joe Sweetser" <sweets@rootgroup.com>
Subject: Cable question
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:02:38 -0600
Here's my setup: Oktava MC012> Denecke PS-2>=3D20
Denecke AD-20> DA-P1
I brought this to Red Rocks last Monday for Trey. Worked
great, but it was wet, wet, wet. Decided to bring my
D8 on Tuesday for (primarily) space considerations. Hooked
everything up the same, but got no digi signal into the
D8. Got a digi feed from another taper with no problem, but
my mics would not work.
Checked everything out at home yesterday, since I figured I
had fried something Monday. But it all worked into the
DA-P1 and not into the D8. This was the first time I had
tried my rig with the D8, since my D8 had a tape inside that
it would not let go of for a few months. I just fixed that
problem last week.
I have the Oade cable for my D8. Is this an active/passive
cable issue? Can anyone shed any (blue) light on this for me?
ADVthanksANCE,
joe
sweets@rootgroup.com
From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: DiO 2448/Zoltrix cards...
Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:21:55 -0500 (CDT)
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 henry@dmbtapers.org wrote:
> I was given this statement from a friend about the DiO
> 2448 and Zoltrix cards. What do you think?
>
> "the dio 2448 and zoltrix cards use the same chipset,
> the zoltrix being the
> cheapest card to use it, and the 2448 being the most
> expensive. this chipset
> cannot lock to an external clock, it locks to it's own,
> thus resampling all incoming
> data"
>
> Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks,
>
> Henry Hart
[CC'd to Dat-Heads for their perspective]
I've heard a lot of rhetoric about the clock-lock stuff, but I've never
fully understood what that means. Since S/PDIF is a serial protocol
and only uses a signal and ground connection I suppose it can only be
asynchronous (clock locks onto highs and lows of the incoming signal and
uses framing bits to synchronize. A synchronous signal by contrast uses
a clock and data line (plus grounds) and the receiver locks onto the
sender's clock). I have seen the S/PDIF signal protocol before and seem
to recall that it does use framing bits for synchronization. I can't
find anything on a search so I'd appreciate any links to the actual
protocol.
All that said, my anecdotal information tells me that the Dio and
Zoltrix cards maintain a bit-perfect fidelity in the data transfer. I
have a few of the SGI drives where "resampling" is not an issue, and
I have both a Dio 2448 and a Zoltrix Nightingale, and the tests I've
run by comparing raw files extracted from the SGI drives and raw files
transfered via the CMI 8738 based cards show 100% correlation in most
cases. There are cases where a run of bits may differ, but I attribute
these to the same factors that cause diginoise, etc. as the bits appear
"shaped" in the case of a DAT player (probably from its interpolation
algorithms) and random in the case of the SGI drives (since they have
no interpolation algorithms and when they can't read a bit from the
tape, whatever is in the buffer at that point gets sent across the SCSI
bus). Tapes with known bad spots produce similar behavior.
There is no indication of any resampling as this would produce a steady
level of inconsistency between the two streams throughout the length of
the sample.
Please not also that these tests were run in Linux and YMMV in the
windows world.
As always, my knowledge is certainly not the bottom line. I would
appreciate any comments or corrections.
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
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From: William Draper <wdraper@expressionanalysis.com>
Subject: 12v to 9v dc converter...
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:38:29 -0400
my dat and a/d take 9v, but i want to use a 12v sla b/c it seems more
economical. i found a circuit i THINK i could use with a 12v SLA set-up to
convert the voltage from 12v to 9v. if anyone with any circuitry knowledge
could take a look i'd appreciate it.
circuit:
<http://www.bilimonline.8k.com/circuits/car912.htm>
wed
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Mic selection and crowd noise - DPA 4061s
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:05:08 -0400 (EDT)
"Vince Horst" <vincehorst@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I agree that omnis tend to give poorer results when recording in the middle
> of a crowd. That having been said, I've noticed a peculiar effect with my
> DPA 4061 omnis. It seems that no matter how packed in the middle of the
> crowd I am, the recording turns out sounding like the mics were 5 feet above
> the crowd. Ie: the crowd noise isn't bad at all. At one of the concerts that
> I stealthed, I remember in particular that there was a loud a$$h0l3 both in
> front and behind me. I was worried that the recording would be ruined but to
> my surprise those two idiots' voices were only marginally louder than the
> rest of the crowd. Whenever I've been in that same situation with either
> CSBs or Sonics I got huge clipping problems.
I can assure you that if you heard clipping with the CSBs, it was mic
pre-amp overload distortion and not the mics overloading.
So, an explanation for what you've heard with the 4061s is that the
4061s have a slightly lower sensitivity than the CSBs, and so don't
overload the mics pre-amps when the "yahoo" lets out his scream. This
is related to the so-called "brickwalling" problems that folks have
noted in the past.
I hope this helped!
Len Moskowitz Binaural StealthMics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: david <slowtrain@comcast.net>
Subject: beth orton anyone?
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 15:28:18 -0400
hoping some good souls have caught recent beth orton shows...
much to trade
dwb
From: Todd Romero <todd@routeflap.net>
Subject: Re: phase cancellation
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:04:05 -0400 (EDT)
phase cancellation occurs when the sound frequencies from each source (ie:
left stacks, right stacks) are picked up by your microphones at different
time intervals, thus the frequencies wave patterens cancel eachother out,
and you can end up with a hollow, or weak sound. for this to happen while
taping at a show with your microphones close together, you would have to
be pretty far to one side or the other. if you were in the center or
pretty close to the center, for you to get an out of phase tape, you
would either have to have equipt malfunction issues, or if you ran
something like ortf pattern from the tapers section and the sound
reflections from the sides of the auditorium werent equal.
so, in understanding what phase cancellation *is*, youll see that lots of
variables could contribute to getting a tape that has phase cancellation.
id try listening to your tape back again and switch the balance all the
way to the right and then left and listen to check if one channel or
the other sounds alot worse. if so, that should give you a starting point
in troubleshooting the problem :)
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Charles Muccia wrote:
> I'd like to get some info and input from the
> dat-heads collective mind. Can some one explain to me
> what phasing and phase cancellation is? I recently
> taped the Phil show at the Frost and the results came
> out less than spectacular. It's been suggested to me
> that my recording may have suffered from phase
> cancellation,but I'm not quite sure what that is and
> how I can prevent it from happening again. My current
> rig is a set of Rode NT3's running on P48v into a D8.
> I'd also like to hear any pros and cons about the
> Denecke AD 20 as I'm thinking about purchasing one of
> these in the near future.
> Thanks to all for the help.
>
> Charles
>
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From: Monty-Jay <montyjay@gci.net>
Subject: anyone tape spun?
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 12:19:25 -0800
so metallica played a secret club show the other night and called
themselves
"SPUN." anyone happen to record this? they had the debut of a new song
too...from metallica.com:
SPUN - LIVE AT KIMO'S
-"Damn, I have not seen that much gear being loaded in to this place
before" was the first thing the bartender of Club Kimo's in San
Francisco said while one of the opening acts were loading in their gear.
The band with all the extra accessories was called SPUN and no one
really seemed to have any information about them. Around 11pm SPUN hit
the stage and introduced themselves as "Hi, we are Bob's band". Now the
cat was definitely out of the bag as the surprised crowd recognize their
hometown boys.
SPUN - LIVE AT KIMO'S
-"Damn, I have not seen that much gear being loaded in to this place
before" was the first thing the bartender of Club Kimo's in San
Francisco said while one of the opening acts were loading in their gear.
The band with all the extra accessories was called SPUN and no one
really seemed to have any information about them. Around 11pm SPUN hit
the stage and introduced themselves as "Hi, we are Bob's band". Now the
cat was definitely out of the bag as the surprised crowd recognize their
hometown boys.
Bob's Band?
SPUN consisted of Bob Rock (on bass), James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich and
Kirk Hammett. The band started by bursting out four Ramones songs:
Commando, Today Your Love Tomorrow The World, 53rd and 3rd, Now I Wanna
Sniff Some Glue
- "That was our little tribute to the Ramones" said James with a grin.
"Hey close your eyes, we've got a surprise" he continued, and looked
back at Lars. "1981?, 1983?" Lars smiled and said "OK, check this out"
and then he pounded his way into Hit the lights. After this it was more
old school tunes, Leper Messiah, No Remorse and For Whom The Bell Tolls.
It was now time to fastforward to 2002 and a NEW SONG. The crowd could
not sing-a-long, but they sure did bang-a-long. So how do you describe
this new song? HEAVY, with a nice Metallica CRUNCH to it! After this
nice surprise the band played I Disappear and the night ended with Die,
Die My Darling. "Thank you friends, we had fun. See you soon" said James
When everyone was walking out the door, I looked over at the bartender
and he seemed to be as clueless as he was when we arrived. He was just
happy to get rid of those guys with all that gear...
Story & Pictures by Niclas S
From: "Ketan M. Vakil" <ketan@ketanvakil.com>
Subject: D7 Battery
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:43:38 -0400
Hi guys... I acquired a Sony D& DAT, and the battery compartment does not
supply power to the unit with AA batteries. I would imagine that this would
be a simple fix - bad leads or solder that has come off? How would you
suggest fixing this?
Thanks,
Ketan
--
kmv / ketan@ketanvakil.com
kmv / www.ketanvakil.com
kmv / 518.506.6812
kmv / RPI - IM: KetanMV
From: Vinesh Narayan <Vinesh@netcom.ca>
Subject: New Floyd/U2/Yes/Neil Young masters for trade
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 16:57:45 -0700
Well, this is the 2nd last batch of my friend's newly discovered masters
which he has lent me for taping:
Pink Floyd Vancouver 4/8/75 (Ampax recorder/Sennheiser mic)
Yes Vancouver 5/5/79 (Walkman Pro/Sennheiser mic)
These shows have not been circulated much, if at all, certainly not from
the masters, so please contact me if you'd like a dat or cdr copy from
these masters. I'm looking for low gen, uncirculated, or shows from
master copies of U2 or Led Zep.
My friend also loaned me a few of his other master shows the last few
weeks which are now on dat:
Floyd Seattle 12/8/87
Floyd Vancouver 12/10/87
U2 Vancouver 5/25/83
U2 Vancouver 11/12/87
Neil Young 2/22/89
To come next week: his final batch of masters he recorded:
Yes Vancouver 1976
Yes Vancouver 1990
He couldn't find his Floyd Oakland 77 master which I posted
about--hopefully soon!
Vinesh
From: "eD" <lileddie@attbi.com>
Subject: LONESOME BOB LIVE SBD CDR KENDALL CAFE 6-1-02
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:37:06 -0400
SBD of Lonesome Bob at the Kendall Cafe in Cambridge FT
Especially looking for other Lonesome Bob, Ike Reilly, Eels, Spoon, Yayhoos,
Mike Ireland, James Intveld, Phil Lee, Verbena,
email me your tradelists to lileddie@attbi.com
"The Future's Uncertain and the End is Always Near"........Jim Morrison
"I'll tell you this man, all I want to do is have my kicks before the whole
shithouse goes up in flames."......The Lizard King
From: "eD" <lileddie@attbi.com>
Subject: THE GOSSIP LIVE CAMBRIDGE 5-31-02 CDR FT
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:39:21 -0400
Super recording of this amazing thrash punk blues band at the Middle East
Cambridge
recorded with Sonic studios mics to DAT and transferred to CDR...exc sound
FT only email me your lists to lileddie@attbi.com
especially looking for Phil Lee, James Intveld, Verbena, Spoon, Eels,
Lonesome Bob, Ike Reilly, Yayhoos
"The Future's Uncertain and the End is Always Near"........Jim Morrison
"I'll tell you this man, all I want to do is have my kicks before the whole
shithouse goes up in flames."......The Lizard King
From: CCFLAMEWORKS@webtv.net
Subject: MERLE SAUNDERS
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 22:08:13 -0400 (EDT)
OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS GO OUT TO YOU MERLE !!!!!!!!!! WE LOVE
YA!!!!!
From: Delano <digital-taper@comcast.net>
Subject: Rush summer tour
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:24:21 -0400
Rush will be start their long awaited summer tour after a 5 year hiatus
(www.pollstar.com). Anyone planning to tape any of these shows?
Take Care,
Delano
http://www.geocities.com/digitaldelano/
From: "rush fan" <rushtrader@hotmail.com>
Subject: Looking for Macca 2002 FTP SHN trades
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:25:49 -0400
I have the following in SHN:
04-03-2002 San Diego
04-21-2002 Nassau Coliseum
04-21-2002 MSG
04-24-2002 DC (from ALD!)
06-03-2002 Buckingham Palace (Soundboard)
Looking for SHNs of any other date, or any of the VCDs that are floating
about, especially Vegas or Anaheim. Trades to be done via FTP.
Thanks,
RT
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From: Alex Roche <listenphish@yahoo.ca>
Subject: ISO: USED D8
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 22:50:11 -0400 (EDT)
Hey guys
I'm new on this. My name's Alex. I'm just starting to
tape. I'd like to get a used D8. Please contact me at
listenphish@yahoo.ca
Thanx,
Alex
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