DAT-heads Digest #347, Volume #6 Sat, 8 Jun 02 11:50:00 EDT Contents: tcd-d7 stuff... (William Draper) fixing snapped DAT? ("Yossi Pollak") re: phase cancellation (Rich Mays) Re: Phase - Ya Marc, you go with your bad self..... (DHami44862@aol.com) Wierd Thing happened when I tried to Tape the Show... ("steven wolf") ISO Bad Company & Sea Level (Eddie Woodward) ISO Bill Wharton (Eddie Woodward) Sony Factory Service - some info - FWIW ("Boogie Shafer") For Sale:GA Ticket for Trey in Pittsburgh this Tuesday,6/11/02 ("S Randolph") FS 4 EXTRA TREY TIX JUNE 9 Cleveland ("Tim Cochrane") re: phase cancellation (from P.A.) (Todd Romero) violent femmes taping policy? ("rob landis") SGI DAT DRIVES $75 ("datman") FS: NEARFest 2002 tix (2) -- on the floor!!!!! :) (celticbro) hard disc recording (Skiadikt@aol.com) Background on outdoor Mic recording --> DAT ("Studiowiz") test (GR8FULHOME@aol.com) re: Loud Crowd (Thomas Wulf) CHRIS WHITLEY LIVE 2CDR FT 5-29-02 TIN ANGEL PHILADELPHIA ("eD") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Draper Subject: tcd-d7 stuff... Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:17:29 -0400 just got a used d7. but, no manuals or anything. any ideas on product numbers for items realted to the d7 (wall wart etc.). or places on the web i can get them? wed ------------------------------ From: "Yossi Pollak" Subject: fixing snapped DAT? Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:41:32 -0400 Hey all, I have a couple of DAT tapes that through various means have snapped...meaning that the tape has snapped in one location, that is now exposed. is there any way to fix this, either myself or by sending it somewhere, or is this tape lost forever? Any help would be appreciated. If it matters, all the music on the tape is before the cut. Thanks! Yossi ------------------------------ From: Rich Mays Subject: re: phase cancellation Reply-to: richmays@comcast.net Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 13:24:31 -0500 > As for the microphones, the capsules each pick up various frequencies > with different sensitivity. Even an omni-directional capsule is NOT > equally sensitive at all frequencies. In fact, above 5kHz, they > demonstrate considerable directionality. While this statement is true, it could lead one to believe that you will inevitably suffer non-linear frequency repsonse in the recording. There is no such animal as a microphone that has ruler-flat response across the range of human hearing (+/- 0 dB). Some are close but all microphones exhibit dips, peaks, troughs, etc., of at least .1 dB (which you will NEVER hear) and this is one of the factors in why microphones have their own sound when compared to another model or brand (or in less expensive examples, even between the SAME brand and model). Physics enters the picture with large diaphagm mics, as they will likely have a rise about 10k. However, when recording in a diffuse-field environment (such as a concert where you are far enough away from the sound source to also experience the room acoustics) the overal linear frequency response as it relates to phase shrinks in importance. Note I did NOT say it shrinks in importance as it relates to the overall sound. The "best" recording is the one that enables you to listen at home and have it sound the way you remember it, and why it can get quite expensive to have the menu of mic capsules (and in the case of DPA, their Acoustic Pressure Equalizers that shape frequency response and pickup pattern without shifting phase). You can move the setup a few inches, and it will sound different. You can vary spacing and angle and it will sound different. Which one is right? Only you can decide. The real-world tipoff that you have a phasing problem is when you are listening on headphones with your eyes closed and there is a "hole in the middle". The likely cause is that one of your cables has reversed polarity. Normal mic cable wiring is pin 1 ground, pin 2 "high" or positive, and pin 3 "low" or negative. Do not assume that your cables are correct just becuase someone wired them. A simple TVM from Radio Shack will reveal the truth. It can also be more subtle-- I once had a Sony stereo mic that the imaging was a little confused-- turned out that one channel was wired out of phase, but it was not really obvious because of the strong center mono signal being introduced by the "mid" capsule (these mics are sortof M-S but not really-- they use 2 cardioid capsules back-to-back rather than a more expensive and linear figure-8). > Experimentation is the best bet in determining > what you like. As I've discussed on our website, I like a modified > near-coincident pattern for recording from a P.A.. Amen, brother!-- determine your rig is in phase by setting up at home, placing the mics next to each other (physically touching), play music over your system and listen for a very strong (mono, in fact) center image, Then you can start to experiment in different situation with width and angle between capsules. Remember, the NORD and ORTF police are NOT going to confiscate your tape because you were a few centimeters or degrees "off". Duke Ellington said it best-- "if it sounds good, it IS good". Experiment until you determine you don't like what you are hearing. Keep notes of your work-- venue, position, mic height, separation, angle. Soon you will be able to predict what works best. As long as you aren't cutting vinyl or listening on a mono system, phase will not be something you need to lose sleep over. If this is not complicated enough for you, then purchase mics that have interchangeable capsules or use APEs. Then you will have an almost infinite number of variables with which to experiment! Rich Mays Sonare Recordings ------------------------------ From: DHami44862@aol.com Subject: Re: Phase - Ya Marc, you go with your bad self..... Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:40:04 EDT Kudos to Marc Nutter for the wonderful introduction to phase, I hope the class was paying attention. david ------------------------------ From: "steven wolf" Subject: Wierd Thing happened when I tried to Tape the Show... Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:24:21 -0400 As I was walking in.... The door guy said to me... No Tripods...No STands... I was Like WHAT!!!!!!!!! Is this common...I mean it was at the freakin TLA in philly that couldnt fit more than 1k... People where talking to me about clamps and shit... What are Clamps for???? Anyone...Bueler... I walk in and there was this guy who had a pole..Suspended upside down from the upstairs balcony (dead center)...He def was using the Shure A27 Vert T-Bar...But he didnt have shocks on there...Just these wierd things holding the mics to the T-Bar...(Clamps maybe) But anyway... What do I need to be able to do that... Obviously The T-bar...But what else... What the Frig...Does that happen often... Anyone?....Bueler... Thanx Steve _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ From: Eddie Woodward Subject: ISO Bad Company & Sea Level Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:38:30 -0400 Hello. I am looking for some Paul Rodgers era Bad Company and Sea Level. I have plenty to trade. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks! Eddie ------------------------------ From: Eddie Woodward Subject: ISO Bill Wharton Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:42:35 -0400 Sorry to post again. Is there anything available by Bill Wharton? Again, plenty to trade. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks! Eddie ------------------------------ From: "Boogie Shafer" Subject: Sony Factory Service - some info - FWIW Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:45:56 -0700 i had heard some different stories regarding service for the Sony portable DAT decks for out of warranty problems so i decided to do some research..here is a summary of what i found out...one thing that is important to note that the PCM-M1 DOES NOT qualify for flat rate service, so if you have major repairs you might be shelling out some money although at $274 the flat rate service on the D100 comsumer equivalent is not cheap either..there is always the option of getting service on a parts and labor basis from someone else as well although i havent ever used any of these different providers, so i cant recommend one over another; others here might know more Sony factory service rates for non warranty service for portable DAT recorders "Pro" Audio Gear: PCM-M1: NO flat rate service, parts and labor, $26 evaluation (plus return ship) contact: (781) 329-2659 - westwood, ma for more info notes: appears that all service is done in westwood, ma and you can mail them your deck with instructions and payment information (be ready to preauthorize at least $200 was what i was told) "Consumer" Audio Gear TCD-D100: $274 flat rate service TCD-D7/D8: $156 flat rate service contact: (800) 222-7669 notes: contact sony and pre-authorize the payment and get shipping instructions to the service center in your area online service request form: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/service/service.html maybe that helps somebody boogie WOB: 3 for B&P of Jack Johnson 04/26/2002 - San Diego, CA ------------------------------ From: "S Randolph" Subject: For Sale:GA Ticket for Trey in Pittsburgh this Tuesday,6/11/02 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:08:57 -0400 The Ticket is $41 with charges. I'll sell for $30 No need for a tapers ticket when it's GA. We can meet at will call or send by mail. Thanks, Steve Randolph srandolph@core.com ------------------------------ From: "Tim Cochrane" Subject: FS 4 EXTRA TREY TIX JUNE 9 Cleveland Reply-To: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:13:19 -0400 give me a call or somthing, I just found out I cannot make it! i think the tix are 30.50 each general admission. Tim Cochrane 330-461-275one (cell) http://www.showtimeskis.com/tim http://chippewaskiteam.waterski.org ------------------------------ From: Todd Romero Subject: re: phase cancellation (from P.A.) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:18:05 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Marc Nutter wrote: > > Unfortunately, we can do very little about phase errors in the P.A. but > we should be aware of them. apparently the first set of P&F @ the Frost and the 2nd set of 2nd night Greek they had phase probs with the PA due to a malfunctioning transformer. ------------------------------ From: "rob landis" Subject: violent femmes taping policy? Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 19:25:56 -0400 hi the violent femmes are playing at the palace in hollywood on 6/14, as a one-off type deal...does anyone know if they allow taping, or have any sort of contact info or phone # so i can clear it ahead of time? thanks a lot rob _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "datman" Subject: SGI DAT DRIVES $75 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:28:40 -0500 SGI DAT TAPE DRIVE WITH AUDIO SUPPORT CTD8000 3.5" form factor drive with rails and 5.25" bezel (i.e., CTD8000R-S) This Peregrine series DAT drive has 4GB native capacity with 120m tapes and 8GB hardware compressed capacity. SCSI interface. This drive supports both data and DAT audio and can read/write audio at 2.2x with special software for the PC, e.g. vdat or dat2wav. SCSI inquiry string reports "ARCHIVE Python 01931-XXX 5AC". This drive is used, but has been tested and is in excellent working condition. No international shipments. Fixed insured shipping cost of $10 for UPS ground or equivalent. Paypal accepted for credit card transactions. USPS Money order/cashier's check also accepted. E-mail datman@midsouth.rr.com with any questions. Thanks, Robert ------------------------------ From: celticbro Subject: FS: NEARFest 2002 tix (2) -- on the floor!!!!! :) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:31:57 -0700 (PDT) I have 2 floor tickets (very close!!!) for the upcoming NEARFest in Trenton, NJ on June 29-30. Featured acts include Steve Hackett, Nektar, Caravan, Echolyn, Enchant, just to name a few. I wish so much that I was able to attend, but because of financial and time constraints out of my control, unfortunately I will have to part with both my tix. I wanted to put these tix up on this forum in order to find somebody who would be ready, willing, and able to record AS MANY BANDS AS POSSIBLE!!!! (which I would've done otherwise). Especially the ones I mentioned above. I will sell these at only FACE VALUE + the $5 processing fee, which comes out to a total of $179. No more, no less. Actually, FORGET the $5 - make it straight face at $174. All I ask is that whomever takes them off my hands be able to supply me with B&P for several of these bands. Please email me privately regarding this matter. It is ESSENTIAL that somebody out there get these bands!!!! Tell me your recording setup in your email. Peace :) Celticbro __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Skiadikt@aol.com Subject: hard disc recording Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 01:28:06 EDT it's beginning to look like the beginning of the end for my sony m1. i'm sure i can send it off to sony for rehab, but at this point it seems like a waste to replace it with yet another tape based machine-yet another m1 (i've already been through a d3 and a d7). i am curious as to where people are at with regards to using hard disc based recording systems particularly in stealth situations. the one good thing about the m1 is that it IS very stealthy. i was thinking along the lines of something like the apple ipod. has anyone been successful in adapting it (or any other mp3 player/recorder) to record audio in the field? for example a 10 gig ipod would have enough storage to hold about 5-6 shows recording wav or aiff files. the ipod in particular can handle wav & aiff files in addition to mp3's. take it home, hook it up to firewire and very quickly dump the shows into your computer and prepare for burning. no muss, no fuss. much more efficient than spending 2-3 hrs dumping a dat into a computer. only drawbacks i can see are that no master would actually exist and are the drives themselves shockproof enough for this type of activity (it's not like you're going jogging or bike riding). i am assuming (i could be wrong) at this point that some folks are recording directly in to their computers so what about taking it step further. any ideas or feedback? has this been going on all along and i'm the last to know? thanks. ski ------------------------------ From: "Studiowiz" Subject: Background on outdoor Mic recording --> DAT Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 02:02:58 -0500 Can someone please point me to some sort of resource on portable recording with MICs outside. I want to record industrial noises and just general noises outdoors - like children in a playground, crazy people. I will be buying the portable Tascam recorder. DA-P1 is it? Can't remember. What budget models of mics can I look at that offer 'decent' quality. What other gear will I need. studiowiz@sympatico.ca Thanks everyone. ------------------------------ From: GR8FULHOME@aol.com Subject: test Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 04:14:09 EDT test ------------------------------ From: Thomas Wulf Subject: re: Loud Crowd Reply-To: Thomas Wulf Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 10:15:24 +0200 Subject: CHRIS WHITLEY LIVE 2CDR FT 5-29-02 TIN ANGEL PHILADELPHIA Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 23:00:20 -0400 UNreal recording mix of SBD and audience of this awesome Chris performance... FT only.... email me your trade lists... lileddie@attbi.com especially looking for James Intveld, Phil Lee, Lonesome Bob, Ike Reilly, Spoon "The Future's Uncertain and the End is Always Near"........Jim Morrison "I'll tell you this man, all I want to do is have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames."......The Lizard King ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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