DAT-heads Digest #355
Contents:
ISO: Peter Murphy from Boston 6-12-02 (Alfred Ritter)
WHICH kind soul - ("Thomas Avallone")
dealing with other concertgoers... ("john e. bogus")
listen to the show and shut up ("Tatina, Bill")
ISO: Ben Folds, Divine Comedy 10jun02 Portland, ME / Rufus Wainwright 15feb02 PA ("slowdivingblue .")
Alpine Valley-Other Ones (novy@UNIVERSAL-PRESS.com)
Rudeness at concerts..... ("Andy Liu")
Re: stealth taping and dealing with others ("jfoxenberg")
iso: 603a/200>mp2 tape ("badhat")
Easiest way to do a Matrix Mix ("Steve Mew")
gefell um900 tubes (Scott C. Brown 02)
Rude Concert Goers ("DRider")
Re: Short Tapers (Mike Parker)
ISO taper - Holly Cole - Vancouver BC - 30 June 2002 (Derrick Belbas)
I Goofed (ISO Ratdog 5-27-02 Dewey Beach) (CrypticalOne@cs.com)
Stealth taping (casey coniff)
ISO GD 7-8-95 & 7-9-95 ("Matt Korman")
Re: Stealth Taping and Obnoxious concert goers (Alex Prestin)
David Bowie (Toby Germano)
Re: DAT-heads Digest #353 (Seth Breidbart)
Re: Stealthers vs. Talkers (Gary Watson)
FS: 3 datrax (arosin@lorax.org)
From: Alfred Ritter <rnrjunkee@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: Peter Murphy from Boston 6-12-02
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT)
Did anyone tape Peter Murphy on Wednesday at Axis in
Boston? Im
looking for this show for a friend who had problems
with his deck
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From: "Thomas Avallone" <tav2367@msn.com>
Subject: WHICH kind soul -
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:28:40 +0000
Will trade me a copy of this Paul McCartney, Philadlephia 7th row recording
that is supposed to be so excellent ? I have seen opportunities on the DAT
board, but always figured I would get a copy from my Chicago
masters.....Well - it didn't happen, so if anyone can pass along the show to
me, I would be MOSTLY appreciative. I do have masters from 4/10 & 4/11
Chicago, 4/3 San Jose, 4/26 NY, and the ALD source from DC.
List:
www.tav2367.20m.com
Tom
"I've heard there's joy untold
Lays open like a road
In front of me"
~ PJ Harvey
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From: "john e. bogus" <mallness@surfbest.net>
Subject: dealing with other concertgoers...
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:01:20 -0400
The discussion on this topic is good, but to me, laughable. How many of you
are taping metal and punk shows? You 'jamband' and acoustic tapers have no
idea what tapers go through at a rowdy metal or punk show. Usually it is
impossible to get an ideal position in the venue due to the
free-for-all-brawl known as a moshpit.....you get shoved right to the back
of the place. Try suggesting, let alone telling, someone at one of these
shows to shut up and enjoy the show and you will have your head handed back
to you, or at the very least walk out with a black eye. If people are not
flying into you from the 'mosh circle', then you are pressed up tight in a
crowd that is a pushing, shoving mass. The best cure for this, as was
suggested in another post, is a strategically held lit cigarette. As far as
getting them to shut up, you can't....at this type of show, that is what
people are there to do....it's simply all part of the ambience and
experience. You cannot expect to make an audience tape and not record the
audience as well as the band. These type of shows are a magnet for
obnoxious fucks who will try to scream in your mics if they discover you
recording. I've found what works best is to ignore them, TOTALLY....don't
even look at them or adknowledge they exist....ANY reaction only feeds them.
They soon give up and go away when they realize they are wasting their time
in trying to get some kind of reaction from you. I've encountered every
type of obnoxious tape-ruiner that could possibly exist, from having 'Mary
Had A Little Lamb' sung in unison by 3 people 5 feet off the mics (BOC
6/27/89), to yelling 'Hey, security! This guy's recording!' repeatedly,
pointing to you and waving to the security guard 20 feet away after getting
no reaction to screaming in the mics (Alice Cooper 7/20/91). If it gets as
bad as the latter case, you have no choice but to move (and quick). If the
venue is reserve seating, there are usually a few empty seats way in the
back where no one will care. Yeah, all this stuff sucks, but it's better
than getting busted or not getting the show on tape at all. Apparently this
is strictly an American issue, I don't think this type of thing happens in
Europe or Japan....maybe it says something about the 'culture' we live in.
Offering to share music, beer, or uhh...other things sometimes helps, but is
usually impossible at a metal or punk show, you just have to make a
judgement call. At the 4/19/02 Motorhead show, two guys next to me were
yelling and screaming through the first couple songs. I tapped the shoulder
of one, pointed down, and turned on my D7's backlight when I noticed them
writing down the song titles. They quickly shut up and bought me beers the
rest of the night. There are some good folks still out there. Anyways, the
bottom line is, tapers have no rights, and the obnoxious idiots have every
right. Dealing with them is part of the experience. Happy stealthing.....
Thanks for my $0.02 worth....
john e. bogus
PS And oh, yes, what does someone's choice of screen name have to do with
whether or not something is offered up in trade or not? I have NP sending
first and would rather do so anyway...
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: listen to the show and shut up
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:08:56 -0600
This IS about Respect, not about personal beliefs.
when's the last time you could talk and listen at the same time.
if you want to talk, get out more often and go to the BAR down the street, dont save it for the quietest song in the set.
I pose this question.
How many times have you gone to the $7.00 Movies and Some Bozo is talking during the movie.
Let ALONE CHOMPING ON SOME Corn or is it Korn?
O and Please somebody put a SOCK in that screamin banshee's mouth would ya
From: "slowdivingblue ." <slowdivingblue@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Ben Folds, Divine Comedy 10jun02 Portland, ME / Rufus Wainwright 15feb02 PA
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:12:43 +0000
Hi - Looking for any of these shows. Any quality will do. Have tons from
these artists and others to offer in a swap. Would appreciate and rewards
any leads if you know anyone that has these.
10jun02 ben folds & the divine comedy portland, ME
15feb02 r wainwright & teddy thompson philadelphia, PA
Would prefer CDR; DAT, Mini Disc, Cassette, etc. OK too. email:
slowdivingblue@hotmail.com
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From: novy@UNIVERSAL-PRESS.com
Subject: Alpine Valley-Other Ones
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:30:09 -0500
I wonder how many people live in the county where they're going to have
Bonaroo? I haven't heard anyone complaining about the mass amount of people
who are going to show up.
So then with that said what's the problem with East Troy?
Hmmmm....
Novy
From: "Andy Liu" <dwonk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Rudeness at concerts.....
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:32:30 -0700
Things are getting worse. I feel no love like I did in the heady days of
the Dead in the early 80's. It doesn't matter what hippie freakfest show
you see these days: PLF, Trey, WSP etc..... there are rude and apathetic
folks where ever you go. I see it as a condition of the times. People
having loud inane conversations on cell phones on the bus, the car that
merges into your lane at the last moment as their lane ends, the neighbor's
dog that shits on your lawn daily....it is all the same, lack of
consideration, the inability to see thru others eyes and ignorance. You
could tell them to shut the fawk up and then deal with the remote
possibility for violence (always a dice roll) OR just mind your own biz. I
am non-cofrontational and will always bow out when dealing with these types
of people. Move or call security if you are worried. Karma usually comes
full circle within a lifetime, so I am not worried! They will eventually
get theirs, in a big way.
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From: "jfoxenberg" <jfoxenberg@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: stealth taping and dealing with others
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:25:47 -0400
Another very good way to deal with others nearby while stealth taping is to
offer them a copy of the show if they show some consideration for you and
keep things quiet..... Never had anyone refuse........ Good Luck!!
From: "badhat" <badhat@houseofgoat.com>
Subject: iso: 603a/200>mp2 tape
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:08:15 -0500
can anyone help me here?? would like to hear your _outstanding_ tape, to
make me consider these mics. thinking of making the low profile plunge, but
i really like my pre, and dont see the need to move on to something else
(unless someone wants to go straight up, your v2 for my mp2 -- ha!!)
preferably phil, les claypool, or ween. the stuff i am most familiar with.
also can trade, if need be. email offlist please badhat@houseofgoat.com
thanks.
"all the best bands are associated with satan" -- bart simspon
From: "Steve Mew" <paragon_of_virtue@hotmail.com>
Subject: Easiest way to do a Matrix Mix
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:57:38 -0700
What is the easiest approach to do this. I'm just running 2 sources.
1) SBD>M1
2> DSM-S/L>PA6LC3B(85)>Sharp MD-MS722
thanks in advance
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From: Scott.C.Brown.02@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Scott C. Brown 02)
Subject: gefell um900 tubes
Reply-To: scott.c.brown@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG
Date: 13 Jun 2002 18:20:58 EDT
anyone have any experience with them? anyone ever heard them for the stuff we
do?
not getting them (EXPENSIVE! and i just got 4022s anyway) but i'm just curious
to hear if anyone's used them. phantom powered 5 pattern tube mics seems cool,
no more tube power supplies to deal with
scott
From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@attbi.com>
Subject: Rude Concert Goers
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:31:09 -0400
I have to say that I agree w/ what Wayne said. Forget whether a person is
taping or not. Rude people are rude people, plain and simple.
I have one Dave and Tim show. They open w/ Wild Horses. Dave stops the song
before it's finished because some guy screams. He apologizes to the crowd
for stopping, but says that guy just killed it. They start the next tune and
more screams - "We love you Dave!" He finishes the song and asks the crowd
to be polite to their neighbors - they cheer him. He starts the next song
and back to the same old crap for the rest of the show. I made it through
one listening and have never listened to it again. I offered it up as a B&P
and NO ONE took it. Guess the word is out.....
I have never seen Dave, partly due to the fact that I have been told by
numerous people that his fans scream through the entire show. My mic stand
is only 12 feet tall ")
OK, you don't like Dave. How about Bob Dylan?
I saw the Orlando and the Jacksonville shows earlier this year. No, I did
not tape, but I had some pretty good seats. Left side about 9 rows back for
both shows. In Orlando, I had a boyfriend/ girlfriend couple in their
mid-20's right behind me. They appeared to be very drunk. They were very
loud and obnoxious!! The guy had perfected his whistle and it was piercing.
The venue was 2/3 full at best and there were plenty of seats straight back
and 20 rows up, so I went up there. The sound was not near as good, but I
could at least hear Bob and not the assholes behind me.
A couple days later was Jacksonville. I had a date for this show and she
loves Bob Dylan. Seats were in almost the same spot. This time is was 4
middle-aged women. They were definitely drunk and they screamed during the
entire show!
"LOVE YA BOB!!" Hoots and hollers continuously. They were bothering everyone
around us. No one said anything. I turned around and gave them a look a few
times. Toward the end of the show, one of them asked me if they were
bothering us. Since she asked, I said "you have been bothering everyone
around us for the entire show". Her reply was "Good!"
Tix for these shows were not cheap. And when Bob plays a soulful acoustic
tune, I don't wanna hear some drunken bitch screaming in my ear! And when I
have a really good seat that I paid top dollar for, I should not have to
move to get away from rude people.
This has nothing to do w/ copyright laws or anything. It has to do w/ common
courtesy to other human beings. This is also not a thing about age. Older
people that definitely should know better can be rude too.
I have found that most of the younger crowd at Trey shows to be very polite
and respectful around the taping section.
Maybe you paid $100 to see CSN&Y. Was that drunken jerk there yelling
"Neil!!" "Neil!" "Neil!!" like he was at my 35th birthday show??? How did
you feel when he yelled all the way through Guenivere?
BWT ~ TREY 6/6/02 UIC Pavilion, Chicago, IL
Source: Josephson C-603/KA-500>Denecke PS-1A>Zefiro Inbox>PCM-M1
DAT Only - to the first TWO to respond
This show was a true smoker and the best show of the tour..... so far.......
Peace,
D-R
From: Mike Parker <parker@aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: Short Tapers
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:29:08 -0700
Hi all,
Thanks for writing in Keith.
> It would seem to me, unless you were
>atleast 6'3" it would be an awfully muddy recording with mostly crowd
>noise.
Well, i`m around 5', i try to stay towards one side, get an isle seat, or
in the front row, also front row balcony works well too. I clip my
microphones under the coller of my shirt, facing forward, cuts out some
crowd noise that way ( i can`t stand them on my head, i like to look around
too much & that causes phasing).
This remings me of a song:
(to the tune of Short People,with apologies to Randy Newman)
Short Tapers
Short People Got
No Reason
Short People Got
No Reason
Short People Got
No Reason to Tape...
They got...
Little Tapes,
Little Mics,
Little Decks recording Great Big Lies.
They got...
Little Dats,
Little Discs,
Little Dubs in their Nasty Little Fists.
Don`t Want no Short Tapers,
Don`t Want no Short Tapers,
Don`t Want no Short Tapers round` here...
===================================================================
sorry folks, couldn`t resist,
Mike
From: Derrick Belbas <ve4vv@shaw.ca>
Subject: ISO taper - Holly Cole - Vancouver BC - 30 June 2002
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:08:32 -0700
as above. thanks.
derrick
winnipeg
From: CrypticalOne@cs.com
Subject: I Goofed (ISO Ratdog 5-27-02 Dewey Beach)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:57:15 EDT
If anyone out there taped this show I could really use some help. My friend
taped the show & gave me the DAT's to transfer & I lost the 2nd set. I have
lots to offer to anyone who can help me out. Please E-mail me at
CrypticalOne@cs.com
Thanks Tom
From: casey coniff <vttaper2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Stealth taping
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:15:01 -0700 (PDT)
As Bruce Sprinsteen said at his solo acoustic show
"this is a community
event, if someone is real loud and obnoxious so you
can't hear the music tell
them to shut up. I'm here to play music and loud
mouths are rude to me, my
band when they're with me, and rude to you "
Casey
=====
Casey
"It's too loud? Well tough shit!"
AW 8/25/95
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From: "Matt Korman" <mlkorman@bytehead.com>
Subject: ISO GD 7-8-95 & 7-9-95
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:16:11 -0000
subject says it all. DAT only please.
much to trade for.
thanks
Matt
From: Alex Prestin <wakko@bitey.net>
Subject: Re: Stealth Taping and Obnoxious concert goers
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:54:56 -0400 (EDT)
> I thought I would add the following bit's of info.The Woman who was behind
> us was aware that she was loud,and rude and had a "be damned if I'll be
> quiet just so some uptight concert goer can enjoy their show!" demeanor.
> The Woman started up a conversation with a gentleman 2 seats to my left
> about why was I frowning and grimacing so much.Her Boyfriend/Husbands
> response to my non verbal distress was to yell even louder.
This (followed by beatings) is what should happen to all annoying people
at concerts:
http://bitey.net/sass/shutthefuckup.wav
- A.P. (yeah, I know this .wav has been around forever, but it's great.)
From: TGermano@webtv.net (Toby Germano)
Subject: David Bowie
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:18:57 -0700 (PDT)
Did anyone tape Mr. Bowie at Roseland Ballroom NYC this week? I have
lots to trade!
Toby Germano
tkz@davidbowie.com
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From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #353
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:30:33 -0400 (EDT)
> Keep in mind that some artists are okay with taping but their record
> labels are not. Or perhaps they don't have an official policy
> because they never bothered to formulate one. Or what would your
> stance be on bands with a "don't ask, don't tell" policy?
Or even some bands with the attitude "it's fine with us if you tape,
but we're not going to go to any effort to help you, so if the venue
doesn't like it, that's your problem."
Seth
From: Gary Watson <gwatson@sopragroup.com>
Subject: Re: Stealthers vs. Talkers
Reply-To: "gwatson@sopragroup.com" <gwatson@sopragroup.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:24:44 +0100
> At least we live in a country where some bands/venues allow open taping.
> Lived in the UK for 2 years and those folks absolutely freak out. Who was
> with me taping Phish at the Albert Hall on 6-16-97? That was interesting!
The UK seems to have a blanket anti-taping attitude. Death Cab For Cutie were
here a few months ago, who even allow SBD taping, but I could not get a patch.
And all venues do not allow taping in any form, although I know a guy who has
regularly videotaped punk/ska bands with a video pass obtained from the band,
but even then it was very difficult. So in effect, every recording has to be
stealth, even if the band allows it. I used to tape FOB, but due to London
crowds being possibly THE rudest crowds in the world, this used to be evident
in my tapes. So now, I simply stand at one side of the stage, directly in
front of the stacks (wearing earplugs, obviously!), and tape from there. No,
it doesn't sound muddy, yes there will be no stereo imaging, but I feel that
this is a necessary sacrifice to eliminate virtually as much crowd noise as
possible. A lot of bands that I tape have the "if we don't see you taping, we
don't care if you're taping" attitude, would they really see me taping their
shows as stealing from them?
Here's an example of how a London crowd behaves (taken from a taper list):
"As some of you might know i went to 3 gigs of Justin Sullivan & Friends
(singer New Model Army) in England
(London-Spitz/Liverpool-Lomax2/Wolverhampton-Wulfren Hall). They were all
great, but in London Justin decided to leave the show as he could no longer
cope with the 'typical London crowd'. After 30 minutes or so, one speaker broke
down, so it took about 15 minutes before the show was able to continue. Then
after 20m a gitarstring broke. then suddenly, after the crowd kept on talking
and screaming (the gigs were accoustic, so the band preferred them to stay
quite)..he said: "Fuck the lot of you" and he made his way to the dressingroom.
Now you can imagine what happened after that, people started screaming, nearly
fighting, roadcrew taking a piss at some of the audience..."
Not too sure about the last bit, but you get the general idea. Would stands
help much in this situation?! :)
Gary
From: arosin@lorax.org
Subject: FS: 3 datrax
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 03:32:45 -0700
Well I have finally done it. I have over filled my three datrax
and have gone on to a bigger storage system. First person who wants
all three for $15 each ($45 total) gets them. I usually like to use
paypal if that is of concern to anyone.
Thanks,
Aaron Rosin
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