DAT-heads Digest #360
Contents:
FS: Bonnarroo ticket (plm4@po.cwru.edu)
Re: Other DDS branded tapes????? (Wayne Brissette)
SBM-1 or best alternative / info on DPA 4060 mics (Brian Gemborys)
ISO: Just One Nakamichi CP-4 capsule! ("Andy Liu")
Need a Glastonbury UK festival expert/taper ("Bas Ruesink")
Sony M1 and 90 m tape problems ("Eric Carr")
ISO Cranes/For Stars...and 3 tapers (BillyCorgansBald@aol.com)
FS: Zoltrix Nightingale w/digital Daughter Card New (Keith Bode)
ATTENTION alternative rock fans/vinyl record fans ("Ryan 8^|")
FS HHB CDR-800 Pro CD Burner ("Seth Goldberger")
pre amp recommendations (Tollie Damron)
ISO WSP 10-29-00 ("Dano")
ISO: Sony pcm-m1/D8/D7 ("Ryan Hoyt")
FM (Scott Goodwin)
Help With BONNARRO ("Steve Hussong")
LE D ZEPP 1975 DETROIT (Rockzilli@aol.com)
Rude Audiences ("Jayney Wallick")
From: plm4@po.cwru.edu
Subject: FS: Bonnarroo ticket
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:24:30 -0400
Dr. Jason Prigozen is on call and can't go, so One Bonnaroo ticket
available for face value+shipping. He lives in Charleston WVA near I-77
and I-64, so you mite pick up the ticket on your way.
Jason Prigozen
907 Chappell Rd.
S. Charleston, W.VA. 25304
phone 304-926-6664
or call me and i'll relay the message.
peace...cash
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From: Wayne Brissette <waynefb@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Other DDS branded tapes?????
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:20:47 -0500
Digestifier DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net on 17 June 2002 said:
>From: Gareth Gowan <floss_luc@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Other DDS branded tapes?????
>
>Hi,
>
>Has anyone used any other DDS branded tape other than
>Sony or Maxell???? Are other brands such as HP just as
>good or are there any quality issues with different
>brands or is it better to stick with Sony/Maxell
>tapes???
>
>Thanks,
>
>Gareth
I use to use Fuji's religiously. However, they recently ceased production
of their DDS tapes (I suspect they did this a while back and the channel
finally dried up). So, I have done a lot of looking recently purchased
some samples to play with. Here is what I have found so far:
1) Sony DDS <- Tape seems excellent, but the shell is very flimsy and the
shutter gets stuck. I recently received a Sony audio DAT and guess what?
They started using that crappy shell on those to...
2) Maxell DDS USA construction <- Both tape and shell seem excellent.
There have been reports of bad lots of these (look in the archives) which
wear the heads prematurely.
3) Maxell DDS made in Japan (green cellophane) <- Doesn't seem much
different from USA constructed tape.
4) Apex/Quantegy DDS <-- This shell and writing on the DAT seem identical
to the Japanese Maxell DDS tape. I would be surprised if it wasn't.
5) MasterDAT <-- Made by Fuji. Really makes me wonder if they will
survive, but the company selling them here in the US claims they haven't
heard they won't be able to get them in the future.
HP? Haven't tried yet.
In my mind the things to worry about are shedding, abrasiveness of the
tape, and shell construction. I have not done any extensive testing on
shedding, or abrasiveness. I have looked at error rates (all seem almost
nonexistent) and shell construction and with the exception of the Sony
DDS tapes all pass my tests. I worry about the Maxell DDS tapes with all
the abrasive head issues. Yet, I know people who have used nothing but
Maxell tapes and had zero problems. Doug Oade, who did a lot of the
initial testing, mentioned on the discussion forum he hosts that it was a
bad batch of Maxell tapes and all seems well now.
If anybody has corrections and comments/suggestions, please add them.
This is the type of thing which I think needs to be documented for new
comers to the DAT marketplace (I realize this is a small number at this time).
Wayne
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From: Brian Gemborys <brian_gemborys@yahoo.com>
Subject: SBM-1 or best alternative / info on DPA 4060 mics
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
Richard,
SBM-1 - you might want to consider getting a SONY M1.
I've heard that their A/D circuitry is the same that's
in the SBM-1, plus you'll be more stealthy, one
smaller box, it might be cheaper, and with good
batteries (Radio Shack NiMH) you can go for 4 1/2 hrs.
DPA 4060- Len of Core Sounds sells these as his high
end binaurals. I've been looking into a pair of these
and I found this person's comments helpful.
http://www.corrupt.net/~scrub/recording/rigs.html
-Brian
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From: "Andy Liu" <dwonk@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Just One Nakamichi CP-4 capsule!
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:33:11 -0700
Fellow DHers, I am looking for a Nakamichi CP-4 Super Directional capsule
with foam windscreen in good condition. Please email me offsite and we can
take it off your hands in time for HSMF!
Thanks,
ANDY
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Control This Dream
Something°
5 on 3
Hard Times°°
The Weather
Try Me^
That's How Strong My Love Is^^
Fling
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° the Beatles
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From: "Bas Ruesink" <basruesink@hotmail.com>
Subject: Need a Glastonbury UK festival expert/taper
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:48:47 +0200
its simple, a big shot in the dark.
i need someone who goes there anywhere (sold out) and who does not yet know
what to tape. Please tape:
New Model Army (after 17 years of absence): Other stage at 2:20pm approx on
Sunday 30th June.
The show will also be party (?) broadcast, more info at:
http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/2002/broadcasts.html
Cant receive it myself :-(
Can someone do me a favour? Got lots of stuff in return (masters too)
Let me know, thanks!
Bas
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/underground/1620
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From: "Eric Carr" <newdealtaper@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sony M1 and 90 m tape problems
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:49:06 -0400
Hi,
I was taping Medeski Martin and Wood in Toronto on Sat. Night. I was going
to use a 60 m tape and then switched to a 90 m when I realized there would
probably only be 1 set, which there was. I had levels, it was recording,
everything was fine. I got home, put it in my home deck, re-wound the tape
and the whole thing was blank! I have used 90 m tapes in this deck
relatively infrequently before without any problems. My 2 60 m New Deal
tapes from the night before turned out fine. Any Ideas on why the tape came
out blank?
Also, while I am on the subject, for a little bit, my M1 has been rewinding
and Fast-Forwarding very slowly (it usually starts slow, and then goes
fast). It still recorded fine (til Sat. Night) and I saw no real need to
get it fixed right away as I had a home deck I could use for rewinding and
Fast-Forwarding. In addition, the odd time it either takes a really long
time or, once it would not stop flashing "TOP" and my tape did not load when
loading a new tape. Could that have something to do with it? Anyone else
had any of these problems, and/or know what is causing them?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Eric
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From: BillyCorgansBald@aol.com
Subject: ISO Cranes/For Stars...and 3 tapers
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:54:03 EDT
I am looking for shows from the following bands:
Cranes
For Stars
Matt Ward
Alfie
Black Lab
Harper Lee(don't know if any exist...)
Migala
Feeder(from 97-99 US tours)
Sparklehorse
Bright Eyes(from 2001 or earlier, no 2002, have 3 recent masters to trade)
Please email me for my list. I prefer SHN trades, but open to snail mail.
Have lots to trade.
Also, i am looking for 3 tapers to tape the UK band Alfie. They have an
upcoming 5 date N. American tour. I will be taping the NY/NJ shows. Here are
the other dates:
July 20: Lee's Palace, Toronto
July 22: Bimbo's 365 Club, San Fransisco, CA
July 23: Troubador, W. Hollywood/LA, CA
It will most likely have to be stealth. I will cover ticket cost and a drink
in exchange for a tape.
BWT: 1 free cdr copy
Man...or Astroman? 01.08.23 Kulturhuset, Stockholm, SWE 1 cd, 57m, FM>HD>CDR
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From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: FS: Zoltrix Nightingale w/digital Daughter Card New
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:08:48 -0700
For the second time I have bought one of these, and decided I didn't
want it. This one is Brand New, OEM packaged with Driver Disc, Digital
Daughter Card with Toslink and Coax Digital inputs and outputs. Asking
$50, plus $3.50 shipping for Priority Mail. If you'd like to pay by
Paypal, please add $1.
Keith
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From: "Ryan 8^|" <cool_soul@hotmail.com>
Subject: ATTENTION alternative rock fans/vinyl record fans
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:09:40 -0400
I'm trying to sell on eBay a CD that was sold locally and is now out of
print which features 12 live FM tracks of 12 nationally known bands who
performed live here last year at a local radio station. Bands like Staind,
Puddle of Mudd, Our Lady Peace..
My auction can be found at the following address:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=885246890&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1
In this auction I also list 36 vinyl records I am also trying to sell. Check
it out if you like. Thanks.
Ryan
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From: "Seth Goldberger" <seth@lauan.com>
Subject: FS HHB CDR-800 Pro CD Burner
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:35:42 -0400
I placed a HHB CDR-800 Pro CD Burner for sale on ebay with no reserve!
Happy bidding.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1360858422
-seth
From: Tollie Damron <tollie@timeforprime.com>
Subject: pre amp recommendations
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:17:45 -0400
Could someone recommend me a good pre amp for recently purchased neumann
skm184's? I would like to get something that doesn't cost a lot because i
would like to save up for the apogee mini me eventually. I've been told that
they are a pretty penny. Can I just power my mics with the denecke ps2 until
i save up for the mini me? i'm new at this...sorry if i sound stupid.
thanks- tollie
From: "Dano" <dan@thejamzone.com>
Subject: ISO WSP 10-29-00
Reply-To: <dan@thejamzone.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:42:10 -0700
Hello, i'm looking for a nice clean copy of Widespread Panic 10-29-00 in New
Orleans. I actually wouldn't mind getting the whole run if possible. I have
lots to trade! Let me know and i'll send a list.
Peace
Dan
From: "Ryan Hoyt" <hoytr2@rpi.edu>
Subject: ISO: Sony pcm-m1/D8/D7
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:30:34 -0500
I'm looking to buy a used Sony pcm-m1, D8, or possibly a D7 if the price is
right. Just looking for a small portable DAT. Please let me know if you
have one for sale, or know of one.
--Ryan Hoyt
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From: Scott Goodwin <coryphaena_29403@juno.com>
Subject: FM
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:49:15 -0700
IMHO -
FM equals 32 kHz DAT. There's almost nothing above 16 kHz in FM, and
what is there is multiplexing info that does nothing for a recording but
eat high-frequency bandwidth. Oversampling 16 kHz at 2x = 32 kHz. Either
roll at 32 kHz or roll to VHS (HiFi or better, I hope) and dump to 44.1
kHz / 16-bit (CD and/or .wav and/or DAT) with no loss...
People overestimate what it takes to get HQ FM. Good cassette decks are
a quite viable option....
$0.02 -
SWG
From: "Steve Hussong" <chop1959@attbi.com>
Subject: Help With BONNARRO
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:16:33 -0400
WAS wondering if any one would be taping the Bucket/Claypool/Wore show on
the side stage . Would die for a copy and have thousands of hrs to trade.
Steve
From: Rockzilli@aol.com
Subject: LE D ZEPP 1975 DETROIT
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:56:56 EDT
In 1975, LED ZEPPELIN played the Silverdome in Pontiac MI and I taped the
show with a sony pro cassette recorder and stereo mic on a stand. the quality
is, by todays DAT standards, horrid but Ide like to see if I can clean it up
and start using it as trade bait as its the only tape of tha show in
exisitance that I know of. I taped it from the soundboard but not through the
board,
Any thoughts??????
From: "Jayney Wallick" <Jayney.Wallick@mackie.com>
Subject: Rude Audiences
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:21:35 -0700
Hello There DATheads,
Just to add one more voice to the fray, this is from someone here in =
Seattle who wrote this article for a paper he co-publishes called The =
Tentacle. Information about that paper is at the bottom of the post. =
Enjoy!
Jayney Wallick
Technical Documentation Specialist
Mackie Designs, Inc.
www.mackie.com
Phone: (425) 402-6129
Fax: (425) 806-6312
> ----------
> From: Mike Marlin
> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 6:09 PM
> To: Jayney Wallick
> Cc: jayneyw@earthlink.net
> Subject: Article you Requested
>=20
> http://mikemarlin.net/writing.html#listen
>=20
> Listen or Go Home
>=20
> by Mike Marlin
>=20
>=20
>=20
> One of the greatest challenges facing performers of live experimental =
(or
> any) music these days is the difficulty in attracting an attentive
> audience. What do I mean by attentive? Well, attention is one of those =
slippery words . . .=20
> In the modern world of channel-surfing, cell phones, and attention =
deficit
> disorder, attention to a particular source has lost some of its =
meaning and
> could be construed to be multitasking, or as I am fond of saying, =
possessing
> an eight-track mind. For the purpose of this rant, I am referring
> specifically to the ability and choice to listen, to pay attention to =
and
> absorb sound in a performance setting.
>=20
> Music, when emitted or transmitted from human beings, is an act of
> vulnerability, and I believe the listener (in this case audience =
member)
> has the right, privilege, and responsibility to honor this vulnerable =
act by not talking
> during a performance. There is great temptation -- especially if a =
concert or
> set of music does not resonate with or begets an unfavorable, visceral
> response in an observer -- to distract oneself by talking to friends, =
wait
> staff, even strangers. I decry this behavior and hope to persuade =
readers of the
> offensiveness of such nefarious outbursts by dispelling some =
erroneous, albeit
> longstanding, arguments to the contrary.
>=20
> Some detractors will undoubtedly wish to out me as a frequent taper of
> experimental music shows, and thus question my ulterior motives in
> expressing the need for pin-dropping quietude. They may feel that my =
taking issue with
> audience chatter is purely selfish or rigid. I cannot dispute that I =
have been
> known to tape a show or two in my day. But my perception of sonic
> disruptions to music began long before I embarked on an amateur, =
personal,
> noncommercial stint as a sound archivist. My yearning for unspoiled =
sound performances
> began at an early age, probably when attending a perfomance by Yul =
Brynner in
> The King and I at Wolf Trap in Virginia at age 8. I remember two =
people
> behind me babbling and laughing for nearly the entire evening, and how =
I
> wanted to turn around and scratch their eyes out. I've grown since =
then, and have
> learned to manage my anger slightly better, but my ire rises and =
disbelief
> grips me whenever I hear extended verbalizing during a musical =
performance.
>=20
> There are ways we can fool ourselves. Standing in the back of a =
raucous
> club or arena and yammering may seem innocent enough; however, not =
only
> does the shouting interfere with the ability of others to hear the =
music being
> played, but the shouter is also depriving him or herself of the =
experience.
> The argument that loud music overpowers the range and velocity of the =
human voice will
> fail if you listen carefully in almost any environment. Now I am not
> suggesting that people be prevented from talking in increasingly =
amplified musical
> settings -- I just want to point out the fallacy that shouting in a =
loud
> bar or whispering in a spacious theater does not impact sonic =
ambience.
>=20
> I have also heard it said that the free-enterprise system gives the =
paying
> attendee the right to behave as he or she pleases. "I paid to get in, =
so if I
> want to talk that's your #@$^@$ing problem" is a phrase to which I =
have>=20
> been subjected on more than one occasion. My question would be: Did =
you pay to
> see and hear music, or to get out of the rain and talk? Because if you
> noticed, the sign at the door said, "Dave Douglas Tiny Bell Trio, 8 =
pm,"
> not "(insert your name here) talking about the cat's hairball or the =
new sex toy under
> the Yule tree." The defense of capitalism's rights and privileges =
would
> probably disappear upon reflection as to why one makes a decision to =
attend a music
> performance. I will not dispute that music can lift us up and move us =
to cry
> out, clap, or holler. The raw emotional power of music is =
unpredictable.
> Yet oddly enough, the music that tends to cause the most discomfort in
> audiences is that which dwells as much in a cerebral mode as an =
emotive one, and
> this, I believe, is primarily what causes people to talk distractedly =
during performances,
> almost as if they are oblivious and unmindful of the presence of =
others.
>=20
> I'm sure some of you will write me off as a crank, and others will =
think
> "Gee, what else would you expect from a librarian?" I'll admit that =
when I sat
> down to write this I thought I would just use the whole page and =
write, in
> a huge font, SHUT THE FUCK UP OR LEAVE, YOU IGNORANT BASTARD! But I'll =
save
> that for the next time someone interrupts a sacred passage of an =
improvised
> horn solo, or when the next guy sitting at the OK Hotel back-room bar =
starts
> yapping like a bamboozled terrier during an electronic music =
performance by
> a world-famous German musician. Next time you feel the urge to talk =
during
> a performance, ask yourself why. When you figure that out, come on =
back for
> more.
>=20
>=20
> Tentacle Submariner Mike Marlin is a librarian, musician, and writer =
who
> secretly listens to talk radio when everyone else has gone to bed.
>=20
> Published in the Tentacle Sep 1999=20
>=20
> www.tentacle.org
>=20
>=20
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