DAT-heads Digest #368
Contents:
ISO: Who 2002 tour Tapers ("jz")
Re: jackson browne (Scott C. Brown 02)
My brand-new D8 is broken (Re: Suddenly dead decks?) (Scott Goodwin)
last chance for trade: leon russell and edgar winter ("Mike Hooker")
jackson browne clearwater show
ISO: Tom Petty and Brian Setzer ("Tatina, Bill")
jackson browne clearwater show
re: Rolling Stones; Tacoma, WA "OBSTRUCTED VIEW"? (Phil Thenstedt)
Inner Circle Taping Policy ("Tim DiPaula")
ISO Gillian Welch and David Rawlings 6-25-02 in Portland, OR ("Lee Shaver")
Extra Trey: Camden, Merriweather & Bonnaroo for trade (Thomas A Small)
SOUNDMAN OKM II RX For Sale Brand New (Paul G)
ISO Galactic late night at Bonnaroo ("gordon wilson")
Bonnaroo v's Jazz Fest ( trades) (Schwigiddy)
? for the AKG active users (BYoung352@aol.com)
Re: Suddenly dead decks? (David Mallick)
gefell -10db switch and Arthur Lee tape policy ("Steve Sanford")
24 bit recording ("Marc Nutter")
test (sec1968@ezl.com)
editing (sec1968@ezl.com)
From: "jz" <jzamudio@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: ISO: Who 2002 tour Tapers
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:07:42 -0500
Hi everyone. If you plan to DAT or MD tape any Who shows this summer, please
contact me. I'm trying to organize folks who are taping shows this summer
for quick tree distribution - a la the roger waters forest I suppose. If
interested, email me at the address below for more details. Thanks and good
luck on the road!
whotrader02@yahoo.com
From: Scott.C.Brown.02@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Scott C. Brown 02)
Subject: Re: jackson browne
Reply-To: scott.c.brown@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG
Date: 24 Jun 2002 23:25:13 EDT
i've sent this around various lists, but haven't seen it on DATheads yet. with
recent talk of jackson browne, i thought i'd offer this up. i'd send it on DAT,
but frankly i don't like DAT too much anymore. i'll send this show on cdr to
the first few people who email me
Jackson Browne (solo)
5-11-02
Burlington Memorial Auditorium
Burlington, VT
Taper: Scott Brown
Source: DPA (B&K) 4022s (in hat) > Sound Devices MP-2 > Sony D8
DAT > SHN: Tascam DA20mkii > Audiowerk2 > PowerMacG4/733 > Coaster 1.1.3 >
SoundEdit16 2.07 > shntool 1.01
Disc 1 70:50:05
01 I'm Alive 06:13:00
02 Farther On 07:17:35
03 The Barricades of Heaven 06:33:33
04 The Next Voice You Hear 04:43:07
05 Late for the Sky 05:15:04
06 Rosie 05:02:31
07 Your Bright Baby Blues 07:34:00
08 Running on Empty 04:19:51
09 Something Fine 05:51:35
10 For a Dancer 05:26:14
11 These Days 05:15:04
12 Fountain of Sorrow 08:17:16
Disc 2 76:57:29
01 Set 2 intro 01:16:40
02 Linda Paloma 03:43:49
03 Looking Into You 06:27:09
04 New Song 05:25:34
05 For Everyman 05:32:66
06 Sky Blue and Black 05:53:51
07 Song for Adam 09:02:04
08 Ready or Not 03:52:15
09 Doctor My Eyes/My Imagination 06:04:06
10 New Song 05:13:43
11 Jamaica Say You Will 03:14:50
12 The Pretender 09:21:28
Encore:
13 Take It Easy 03:09:35
14 Our Lady of the Well 03:51:35
15 I am a Patriot 04:47:14
From: Scott Goodwin <coryphaena_29403@juno.com>
Subject: My brand-new D8 is broken (Re: Suddenly dead decks?)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:08:10 -0700
Here's one for you:
Got home from Bonnaroo last night about 8. Sat down to start a transfer
from a D8 > wav *before* getting in the shower. (Those of you who were
at Bonnaroo will know that starting my first transfer before getting in
the shower was not an easy thing to do!!) I will point out that this
deck is a BRAND NEW D8. I literally broke the seal on the box, plugged
it into the wall wart, and it turned on fro the very first time. I put a
Sony ProDAT 125 (my Mofro tape) in the D8, closed it up, and plugged in
my computer's 1/8' stereo line in (analog) just to have a quick listen
before firing up CoolEdit, and the deck's power just shut off. Hmm. I
turned it back on and hit "rewind" to get back to the start of the show
and got "load" with the slowly-moving long bar below it for about ten
seconds, and then another spontaneous power-down. Hmm. Hitting play
would produce the same results, with the "load" indicator lighting up for
about ten secs, then complete powering down. Seems this D8 might have
some new "undocumented features"...
Removing the line-out 1/8" seemed to make things work properly, so I did
that, then wound the tape back and attempted to use headphones to see if
a different output target would make a difference. No such luck.
I tried another tape, and got the same results. I tried a new 90m blank
and got the same results. I tried older DAT masters that I * know* work,
and no dice.
I switched to battery power with four brand-new Duracells to see if the
wall power was bunk, and it seemed to help a little. I finally mananged
to get a tape rewound, and playing into the headphones - it was packed
with diginoise and virtually unrecognizable.
Last resort, I tried a quick pass with a cleaning DAT. I inserted it, I
ran it for five seconds, and the deck powered down (like it's been doing
the whole time). That was last night, and today it remains as it was
then: The deck is dead, and will not power up under any circumstances
whatsoever: pure battery, pure 6VDC from the wall with the batteries in
it, 6V with the sled in it but not batteries, or 6V with the sled
removed. It will not power up at all.
Sooo, besides sending this piece of junk back to Sony, anybody got any
theories?
All advice appreciated -
SWG
From: "Mike Hooker" <mhooker@optonline.net>
Subject: last chance for trade: leon russell and edgar winter
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:23:17 -0400
hi,
i'm going to throw this out for trade one more time, its too good to let
languish. a double bill, leon russell and edgar winter.6-21-02, both sets
were great, and the sound is awesome, especially on the winter disc. it
sounds like a soundboard.
take at look at my music trading list ( new URL)
http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html
have fun,
Mike Hooker
From: <med9@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: jackson browne clearwater show
Reply-To: med9@ix.netcom.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:23:14 -0700
I am very interested in this show- I have an awesome solo acoustic show that I
taped back in aug 2000 eugene oregon silva hall at the hult center 16th row
d8/pa-6lc3 sonic studic mics. very nice on 3 cdrs as well....
I am a patriot, I love my country.
MIKE DEVITT- MED9@IX.NETCOM.COM
PEACE AND SUNSHINE FROM CITY OF THE CLOUDS PORTLAND OREGON
there was no direct email so I am reposting in hopes that darkstar enterprises
will email me back- if anyone else can help let me know
From: "Dark Star Enterprises"
Subject: For Trade: Jackson Browne 2002 Soundcheck and Soundboard
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:06:01 -0400
Hey Gang! I have a nice Jackson Browne 5/25/02 Clearwater show with
soundcheck up for trade. A decent, but not perfect ALD soundboard of the
show including the soundcheck totaling 3 cdrs. Some hiss and some
background noise; but still very enjoyable!! Send me those lists!
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: ISO: Tom Petty and Brian Setzer
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:56:12 -0700
I have tons of Masters to trade.
=================================
TOM PETTY/BRIAN SETZER TRIO SUMMER TOUR
DATE CITYVENUE
6/28 Cuyahoga Falls, OHBlossom Music Center
6/30 Milwaukee, WI Marcus Amphitheatre=20
7/3 Darien, NY Darien Lake Six Flags
7/5 Saratoga Springs, NYPerforming Arts Center
7/6 Holmdel, NJ PNC Bank Arts Center
7/8 Uncasville, CT Mohegan Sun Casino
7/10 Manchester, NH Verizon Wireless Arena
7/11 Mansfield, MA Tweeter Center=20
7/13 Scranton, PA Montage Mountain=20
7/14 Hershey, PA Star Pavilion=20
7/16 Burgettstown, PA Post-Gazette Pavilion
7/17 Bristow, VA Nissan Pavilion=20
7/19 Raleigh, NC Alltel Pavilion
7/20 Charlotte, NC Verizon Wireless Amp.
From: <med9@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: jackson browne clearwater show
Reply-To: med9@ix.netcom.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:21:56 -0700
I am very interested in this show- I have an awesome solo acoustic show that I
taped back in aug 2000 eugene oregon silva hall at the hult center 16th row
d8/pa-6lc3 sonic studic mics. very nice on 3 cdrs as well....
I am a patriot, I love my country.
there was no direct email so I am reposting in hopes that darkstar enterprises
will email me back- if anyone else can help let me know
From: "Dark Star Enterprises"
Subject: For Trade: Jackson Browne 2002 Soundcheck and Soundboard
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:06:01 -0400
Hey Gang! I have a nice Jackson Browne 5/25/02 Clearwater show with
soundcheck up for trade. A decent, but not perfect ALD soundboard of the
show including the soundcheck totaling 3 cdrs. Some hiss and some
background noise; but still very enjoyable!! Send me those lists!
From: Phil Thenstedt <phil.thenstedt@zones.com>
Subject: re: Rolling Stones; Tacoma, WA "OBSTRUCTED VIEW"?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:37:22 -0700
> Well, this is what happens with big shows in this day & age. Fan Club
> purchases take a chunk, as do the Corporations (for big bucks too).
> Ticketmaster pre-sale promotions take a chunk, Clear Channel takes a
> chunk. Its become a monopolistic corporate world of greed.
>
> http://ca.news.yahoo.com/020507/5/m9g4.html
> http://www.salon.com/ent/clear_channel/2001/08/08/antitrust/
> http://www.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/02/06/2002613529.html
>
> I'm sorry you had to pay so much for such crappy seats..you can bet they
> don't care.
>
> >From: "cream of mushroom" <imissmybus@earthlink.net>
> >Subject: Rolling Stones; Tacoma, WA "OBSTRUCTED VIEW"?
> >Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:06:00 -0700
> >
> >Got up at 5:30 am. First in line at 6:10. No one else shows up until
> >8:05.
> >Tickets go on sale at 10:00. I spend $101.45. I smile very big, rush
> off
> >to work. Look at ticket & in bold letters it says "OBSTRUCTED
> >VIEW"!!!!!!!!!
> >I'm located in Section 2A, Row 14, Seat 27 which is the second level at
> the
> >back of the arena about half way up & dead center. What can possibly be
> in
> >the way? Can anyone familiar with this venue shed some light on this
> most
> >frustrating situation? Thanks, Chris << File: Phil Thenstedt
> (E-mail).vcf >>
From: "Tim DiPaula" <DiPaula@rdacorp.com>
Subject: Inner Circle Taping Policy
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:09:21 -0400
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From: "Lee Shaver" <leeshave@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: ISO Gillian Welch and David Rawlings 6-25-02 in Portland, OR
Reply-To: <leeshave@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:43:56 -0700
if anybody can help me out with this great show last night in portland, that
would be great. i have some stuff to trade.
lemme know. thx.
lee
From: Thomas A Small <tsmall420@juno.com>
Subject: Extra Trey: Camden, Merriweather & Bonnaroo for trade
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:47:53 -0400
Hey guys. I have an extra copy of each of those shows along with all
appropriate scource info. I taped 6-21 & 22 my self and they came out
flawless. My buddy just got back from the roo and his copy of the 23 is
perfect. I am looking for any Trey 2002 in return. Let me know if you
would like to swing a quick trade.
peace
tom
tsmall420@juno.com
From: Paul G <HotRats@attbi.com>
Subject: SOUNDMAN OKM II RX For Sale Brand New
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:10:36 -0500
Looks like my attempt to get back into taping isn't going to happen after
all...I'm selling a brand new pair of Soundman OKM II RX mics. These are
BRAND NEW and never have been used. Item is on E-Bay...Item Number
887872606 My loss is your gain.
Paul
From: "gordon wilson" <gordonlw@mindspring.com>
Subject: ISO Galactic late night at Bonnaroo
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:07:36 -0400
I know it is a little soon but damn it looked sick. Between panic with
Winwood and this I almost wish I went.
Gordon
"A fool and his money are soon parted. I would pay anyone a lot of money to
explain that one to me."
Homer J Simpson
From: Schwigiddy <gear4sale4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: Bonnaroo v's Jazz Fest ( trades)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:55:22 -0700 (PDT)
just back form Bonnaroo, no i didn't tape, was way too
hott for me to even try, lets give a huge round of
appluase for the many who made it through the extream
heat & then rain for taping what looked like the whole
weekend......
here's my contribution to the arts.................
i have many Jazz Fets shows on hand, i would like to
set up as many trades as possible to try to get the
whole festival, like i said, it looks like there where
tapers at every stage durring every event......
if you email me with what you have/are getting/can
get,
whatever the case may be, i will then let you know
what i have to offer, also more stuff coming in all
the time, i am working on getting all the non-fest
sets of Jazz Fest as possible, i would love to be
able to get all of Bonnaroo, ..........
i will also offer up to the lists here as mucho as
possible when i do get the Bonnaroo sets, as well as
the Jazz Fest sets......gota run....
Rick......
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From: BYoung352@aol.com
Subject: ? for the AKG active users
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:04:28 EDT
i just ordered a active set up for the akg ck 60s caps and cant find a XY or
ORTF bar that will fit the ck caps. does anyone have any suggestions for a
bar that will work w/ the ck caps??
thanks yall!!!!!!!!
From: David Mallick <greenone@grendelnet.com>
Subject: Re: Suddenly dead decks?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:09:27 -0700 (PDT)
Hi all - a follow-up on yesterday's 'dead deck' dilemma. I have a strong
suspicion that the one tape gunked up my D8 after getting chewed by my
DA-20; I ran my dry cleaning tape for a few more passes on both decks and
it cleared up temporarily, but I think it's going to need a good wet
cleaning. Off to buy some denatured alcohol and foam swabs - thanks to all
who offered suggestions!
--Dave
From: "Steve Sanford" <jigsawearth@lycos.com>
Subject: gefell -10db switch and Arthur Lee tape policy
Reply-To: jigsawearth@lycos.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:48:13 -0400
- are there any ill effects from utilizing the -10 db switch on the gefell sms 2000 w/200 (i run into a denecke ad20 > d8 and many shows are just too loud, forcing me to pray with the ad levels at min if not switched)
- each body has 2 small switches, whats the second one for, i realized i've been switching both to drop the db level
and
- does arthur lee (love) allow open taping, or even the club for that matter, Jaxx in No. Va
i'll take a few for lake trout 6.22.02 in york pa,,
gefell 200 > ps2 > ad20 > d8, d8>dio2448>cdwav>shn(mkw),, sorry can't do dats right now so shn only,, if i don't get back sorry i'm swamped and can only take a few
thanks all
steve
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From: "Marc Nutter" <nutter@sonicsense.com>
Subject: 24 bit recording
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:33:00 -0600
Hi All,
Having just returned from Bonnaroo, I'm still scrambling around here to
catch up but the discussions about 24-bit recording caught my attention.
First, as others have stated, a DAT machine can only store 16-bits. The
ONLY exception is the Tascam DA-45HR (3 rack space unit, also already
mentioned). Some have indicated that the M-1 does have apply dither to
a 20-bit signal but the bottom line is that the DAT tape can only store
16-bits. This is why proper high-quality dither/word length reduction
is so important. The primary goal is to create the best 16-bit
representation of the 20 or 24-bit sample with minimal distortion. UV22,
SBM-1, NS..., NN... are all word length reduction algorithms.
The issue discussed about "copy prohibit" almost certainly has nothing
to do with sending a 24-bit signal. Oddly enough, I have never seen an
M-1 give this message. Are you sure it didn't say "no input"?
While selecting a sample rate above 48kHz will cause a DAT machine to be
unable to record (ie. "No Input" message), a DAT machine will still
record if it sees a 20 or 24-bit sample (word length). As Seth
indicated, the DAT machine will truncate (drop) the least significant
bits. Be sure if you are patching from someone who is recording at
24-bit that you have a 16-bit feed. Your machine will NOT give you any
indication of a problem.
If you are receiving a "copy prohibit" message, make sure you are
receiving a 48k or 44.1kHz signal on a S/PDIF output NOT AES/EBU as it
carries no channel status and will cause the consumer machines to
default to "copy prohibit". The next possibility is that the converter
is sending AES output on a S/PDIF line with professional channel status.
In either case, this basically means the converter is passing NO SCMS
information that the recorder understands. This is problematic to the
consumer decks (D7, D8, D-100) that want to see "consumer channel
status" with SCMS of either 11 or 10 (11 is what we prefer). We have
seen the above situations with the Apogee AD-500, some 1000's, the first
few AD2K+'s, and a few Graham-Patten ADC or DMIC-20's that were not
properly modified for consumer use.
Sorry this may not solve your problem. I look forward to insight from
others.
BWT, watch out for some Bonnaroo offers, All FOB at 24/96. I'm spinning
DATS for the next few days--NO grovels PLEASE!
Happy Recording Everybody!!!
Marc
Marc Nutter
Sonic Sense, Inc.
(303) 753-0201 or Toll-Free (877) 324-4463
2755 S. Gilpin St.
Denver, CO 80210
http://www.sonicsense.com
nutter@sonicsense.com
From: sec1968@ezl.com
Subject: test
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:52:55 -0500
My home page http://www.ezl.com/~sec1968/
sec1968@ezl.com (home, ASP, DAT Heads, Glen Phillips & Train)
shane.calhoon@anheuser-busch.com (work)
314-765-9187 (work)
check out my friends The Stubblefield Band.
http://www.stubblefieldband.com
From: sec1968@ezl.com
Subject: editing
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:59:32 -0500
Sorry about the earlier test. I kept getting bounced. Anyway, here's what I was trying to say:
What i've done, and still do when I need to, is fade out/fade in the crowd noise between the last song and the
encore. More than likely you'll pick up at least a minute of time, and you're not wasting anything important to the
show, such as between song stories by the band and the like.
shane
From: Dave C <dlc-dat@halibut.com>
Subject: To edit or not to edit?
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:49:15 -0700
Since I've got only a single M1, I'm trading only on CD-R. Once again, I
find myself with an 81-minute performance. Last time, it was 83 minutes.
What is the general consensus on editing or time-squeezing (sample
dropping/interpolating with Cool Edit) applause and other non-music
sections? It's frustrating to have to use 2% of a second CD. If I
shorten it by invisible trickery, it's no longer a true impression of
the live performance. But neither is changing the CD in the stereo.
Thanks....
My home page http://www.ezl.com/~sec1968/
sec1968@ezl.com (home, ASP, DAT Heads, Glen Phillips & Train)
shane.calhoon@anheuser-busch.com (work)
314-765-9187 (work)
check out my friends The Stubblefield Band.
http://www.stubblefieldband.com
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