DAT-heads Digest #377, Volume #6 Thu, 4 Jul 02 10:50:00 EDT Contents: A technical question: IEC958 Pro versus SPDIF (Mike Yates) An Indigo Girls taping experience (Agnostic Avenger) ISO :Santana @ Mesa del Sol Amphitheatre in Albuquerque, NM ("Ryan 8^|") Question about repairing a Sony DTC-57ES (Alejandro Montiel) more bootleggers on ebay.... ("john e. bogus") FS:PLQ Darien July 10th ("Winnie Olmer") Taping at Indy Summer Stages? ("Jeff W. Kampf") NDC: Fedex Ground warning (Eric Angel) DAT MASTER:OASIS ,LYON FRANCE 17.06.2002 ("Chris.VOYNET") off topic: dubbing vinyl to DAT (mike hooker) taping phil (UCHAIN319@aol.com) Re: off topic: dubbing vinyl to DAT (Todd Romero) Re: Opcode Sonicport & Windows XP? ("Jeroen Zuiderhoek") Question about repairing a Sony DTC-57ES (Alejandro Montiel) 30 dats up for grabs ("J Levene") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Yates Subject: A technical question: IEC958 Pro versus SPDIF Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:11:51 -0700 This is a technical discussion with a practical question for the experienced members of this list. The question: After changing the physical format of SPDIF (defined as 'consumer' by IEC958 specification), will professional equipment that is looking for AES-EBU (AES6) and/or IEC958 Professional accept the audio data stream from SPDIF (IEC958 consumer)? From what I understand, AES-EBU audio converged to AES6. That was merged in an international standard, IEC958 which defined both consumer digital audio (commonly known as SPDIF) and a Professional level. The consumer and professional standards have different connectors and physical voltages, which I can deal with, changing SPDIF to the Professional physical interface with a few parts. However, both the consumer SPDIF and the professional have tables of (meta)data included in the audio data. The AES-EBU spec and IEC958 Pro are identical tables up to a point where AES-EBU left some open/undefined fields, and therefore they are, I understand, effectively interoperable. The consumer IEC958 has the same initial table fields but highly abbreviated when compared to the Professional IEC958. If common equipment pretty much ignores the extended data, then SPDIF audio converted to the IEC958 Pro physical interface should work. Does it in the real world? I need some understanding that it will work before I sent a piece of gear out (multiple times, multiple places, multiple equipment types that expect IEC958 Pro) and find it will not operate.... The folks on this list seem to be a very widely experienced and likely to know the practical answer. Thanks in advance for any help. Regards, Mike Yates ------------------------------ From: Agnostic Avenger Subject: An Indigo Girls taping experience Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Summary [for those with short attention spans]: Off the front of a balcony (if in a theater where the balcony sounds decent) is probably your best bet. Details [for those who are planning to tape]: First time I've not been in the first couple of rows for an IG show, figuring I'd be better off near the sweet spot - 18 rows back, center aisle. I didn't try to bring a stand in, but with a full pack of equipment I wasn't even questioned when handing over my ticket - kudos to IG's team - it does appear they are notifying the venue. In lieu of attempting to bring in/set up a freestanding stand, I clamped a fixed-height ORTF setup to the arm rest, about 2 inches over head height. None of the "staff"-shirted hired hands nor ushers questioned the arrangement, though one of the uniformed security types did stop by asking if I had permission - a printout of http://www.indigogirls.com/corresp/2002/2002-06-17.html satisfied him. I'd strongly advise bringing a copy (or 2) along. Having been so close to the stage in shows past, I'd been pretty oblivious to the state of the crowd behind me - it's probably been this way for years, but I've not noticed. Long story short, anything familiar was taken to be an invitation to stand by varying portions of the crowd, turning what was 2 inches over head-height into pretty much butt-height for better than half the show. Anything slow and quiet was taken by a third of the crowd as an opportunity to get up and get more beer or empty out what had already been consumed. Anything loud and involving electric guitars was taken by another third of the crowd to do the same. In other words, near constant aisle traffic resulting in a couple of mic bumps and dozens of whooshing near misses (as an aside, It's been quite some time since I've seen so many patrons of a theater show not buzz-drunk, but stumble-drunk). I've only spot-checked the tape, but naturally, sound field interruptions abound. A height-adjustable setup rather than the fixed-height arrangement I used may have helped, but it would have had to have been raised/lowered at least a dozen times during the show, trading one imperfection for another. I wasn't expecting an all sit-down show, but I wasn't expecting so much standing and moving. Which brings me back to the summary above - unless you're familiar with a spot in the theater that A) sounds good, B) where a clamped stand (no word on freestanding ones) wouldn't obstruct sightlines, and C) would allow the mics to be a good 3 feet or more over the seated patrons in front of you (since can't count on them being seated that much), I'd strongly recommend going for a seat with access to a natural boundary - a balcony railing or perhaps the front row of a dramatically raised section on the floor. Failing that, perhaps a mobile stealth setup would still be your best bet - there's some perfectly decent stealthed shows out there from years past. Best of luck to those that try - they certainly put on an enjoyable show. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Ryan 8^|" Subject: ISO :Santana @ Mesa del Sol Amphitheatre in Albuquerque, NM Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:47:09 -0400 Looking for a recording, thanks. Ryan _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Alejandro Montiel Subject: Question about repairing a Sony DTC-57ES Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Hello all: I just joined the list today and would like to post my first question :-) I have the opportunity to get a Sony DTC 57ES from a neighbor who is moving out and he is willing to sell it to me for about $50 because the deck rolls the tape when playing. I consider myself capable of undertaking minor and mid-sized repair projects and that is why I would like to ask if it is at all worth getting this unit from him and also if anybody could provide me with information as to what the most likely cause of the problem could be or any hints as to how to get it repaired. Please note that I live in Germany in case you want to provide information like stores for parts or stuff like that. Thank you in advance. Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "john e. bogus" Subject: more bootleggers on ebay.... Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:22:48 -0400 Ok, just as I'm finally about to get Vanilla Fudge to open up and allow open taping, I got the word at the 6/29/02 show of a bootlegger on ebay.....just received the info, and posting it here immediately. As I'm not savvy to the workings of ebay to place the fake bids and/or get the guy thrown off of there, it's time for those in the know to do their thing....have fun, guys....and oh, yes, please if you can find out the guys name, address, etc, please pass it along to me so I can pass this info on to the band. If there is anything necessary as far as a statement by a band or rep saying that this is an unauthorized recording being sold, please contact me and I can get that statement fairly quickly. Thanks for yet another posting, john e. bogus mallness@surfbest.net Title of item: VANILLA FUDGE RARE LIVE 2001 CD 2 FOR 1 Seller: guitarpeople Starts: Jun-29-02 06:47:23 PDT Ends: Jul-06-02 06:47:23 PDT Price: Starts at $15.99 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=890804956 Item Description: This is an amazing deal, a rare VANILLA FUDGE EXTRAVAGANZA! The main item is the brand new release of BILL FRISELL, ELVIN JONES AND DAVE HOLLAND together!! This CD is in opened but mint-just-took-off-the-shrink-wrap condition, guaranteed! Sound quality is amazing, as is the music. Frisell on all acoustic and electric guitars, Coltrane's drummer Elvin Jones on drums, and Dave Holland on acoustic bass...what more needs to be said?? The free bonus, a rare CD of The Vanilla Fudge "Live At B.B. King's Blues Club - September 2, 2001, Volume 1"!! The main item is "IGUAZU" , featuring 11 smoking and swingin' tunes/jams. This CD, is an all original factory CD release in opened but guaranteed mint/perfect condition. Includes full color booklet and jewel case. Also featured is a truly rare FREE bonus CD The Vanilla Fudge Live at BB King's Club in New York on September 2, 2001 - poignant in light of the fact that just 9 days later...well, you know....but New York was rockin' on this ! night, with not a care in the world as the Vanilla Fudge took the stage OBVIOULY delighted to be playing together again in such a nice room, with great sound!! They even hired a guy videotaping themselves onstage for their own purposes, and were mugging for the video guy, who came on and off the stage at will. There were tears in the audience's eyes as the Vanilla Fudge played everything you'd want them to play, PLUS some surprises!! Songs include these and others: "Take Me For A Litle While", "Shotgun", Marvin Gaye's "Ain't That Peculiar", "Season Of The Witch", with Vinnie's extended "wireless walk around the club" guitar solo (awesome!!), Keep Me Hangin' On (on Volume 2 of this set - see my other auctions for this offering), and a surprise full-Fudge treatment of N'Sync's "Tearin' Up My Heart When I'm With You" which Carmine announces "you'll know this if you have kids!"....the boy's harmony vocals on "People Get Ready" brought the house down, and you'll be wiping tears f! rom your eyes at how great the Fudge still sound in 2001!!!!!. They also cover the Beatle's "You Can't Do That"! Haven't you always wanted to hear The Vanilla Fudge live in 2001, front row center, in stereo? Well, here's your chance to hear them that way! All cd's are in excellent/mint condition. Winning bidder adds $2.99 for domestic shipping. USA BUYERS ONLY UNLESS PRIOR APPROVAL VIA EMAIL. NO RESERVE ON THESE ITEMS! Bidders must resolve all questions prior to bidding. "BUY IT NOW" auction winners MUST PAY VIA PayPAL WITHIN 1 day of close of auction or I will post negative feedback (sorry - non-paying bidder burned me before). SPECIAL BONUS FOR BUY IT NOW BIDDERS - I WILL INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL VOLUME #2 OF "THE VANILLA FUDGE LIVE AT BB KING'S CLUB - 9-2-01" FREE, WITH NO ADDITIONAL SHIPPING! Thanks and good luck! On May-29-02 at 02:51:27 PDT, seller added the following information: Pay me securely with any major credit card through PayPal! ------------------------------ From: "Winnie Olmer" Subject: FS:PLQ Darien July 10th Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:48:06 -0400 We're too busy. Doing 6 shows... we've gotta let one go.. so we're going to blow off Darien. I've got two tickets Sec. 204, Row 2, Seats 15&16. 39.50 face value. $85 priority insured mail. =========================== "Without love in the dream it will never come true"-Garcia/Hunter Winnie Olmer mailto:who@sover.net CD Trades: www.sover.net/~who/trades.htm =========================== ------------------------------ From: "Jeff W. Kampf" Subject: Taping at Indy Summer Stages? Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Howdy, The official event policy is no audio / no video / expect to be searched as given on the web site. Does anyone have any experience with this festival when taper-friendly bands are playing? One stage on Saturday has Todd Snider, Cowboy Mouth, Galactic, Los Lobos and Widespread, all known to be fine w. the taping scene. Seems the organizers could have segregated the taper bands in one area to facilitate the enjoyment of audio enthusiasts. Or should I expect the blanket policy to be in effect? An email to the contact person for the promoter/organizer has gone unanswered. TIA. peace & music, jeff BWT: Waybacks, 3/10/02, A:D, DAT only Repeat: DAT only ------------------------------ From: Eric Angel Subject: NDC: Fedex Ground warning Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 15:25:03 -0700 I apologize for the lack of direct DAT-content, but this has to do with my experience having DATs shipped to me. I just went through an annoying experience with having a bunch of blank DATs shipped to me via FedEx ground. Along the way I learned a few key pieces of info that FedEx doesn't advertise about their ground shipping. Who delivers FedEx ground packages? FedEx employees don't; "independent contractors" do the deliveries. In addition to that, FedEx has no way of contacting them. So if there is a problem with your delivery, the driver won't contact you, and if you call FedEx they can't talk to the driver to fix the problem. In addition to those hard facts, my personal experience leads me to believe the "independent contractors" are incompetent, unlike most real FedEx employees. They attempted delivery three times before they could figure out where I live. I checked the label on the package and it was the (correct) address that I receive numerous UPS packages at w/o any problems. I just wanted to point this out to DAT-heads who rely on mail-order for their DATs (which is about 99.9% of the list). I placed a DAT order on June 20th, and it barely arrived in time for High Sierra. So my advice is to avoid FedEx ground if you need your DATs/equipment to arrive in time for a concert. BWT: Look for me to offer up B+P of some '02 High Sierra shows. ------------------------------ From: "Chris.VOYNET" Subject: DAT MASTER:OASIS ,LYON FRANCE 17.06.2002 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:34:46 +0200 hi, I have recorded oasis and I'm looking for some other master from their new tour please contact me Chris master dat recorde with my dat sony tcd 8 + a set of dpa 4061. ------------------------------ From: mike hooker Subject: off topic: dubbing vinyl to DAT Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:34:41 -0400 hi, i have a bunch of vinyl records i want to dub to DAT, after doing some click removal . its my understanding that the output of a turntable isnt correct to go directly into a sound card. can i input it into an old style analog EQ or do i go into an amp and use the outputs to go into a soundcard? thanks! please see my music trading page: New URL http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html being its AOL, its not always up. try it a few times, or ask me for a text list. thanks have fun, mike hooker ------------------------------ From: UCHAIN319@aol.com Subject: taping phil Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:28:49 EDT hi all, last summer they were allowing taping in the pavillion as long as stands were kept head high or lower. does anyone have any info on this years situation so far? thanks ------------------------------ From: Todd Romero Subject: Re: off topic: dubbing vinyl to DAT Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:13:30 -0400 (EDT) id try something like an SBM-1 A/D, or another A/D if you can get your hands on one. On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, mike hooker wrote: > hi, > i have a bunch of vinyl records i want to dub to DAT, after doing some > click removal . its my understanding that the output of a turntable isnt > correct to go directly into a sound card. can i input it into an old style > analog EQ or do i go into an amp and use the outputs to go into a soundcard? > > thanks! > > > please see my music trading page: New URL > http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html > being its AOL, its not always up. try it a few times, or ask me for a > text list. thanks > > have fun, > mike hooker > > ------------------------------ From: "Jeroen Zuiderhoek" Subject: Re: Opcode Sonicport & Windows XP? Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 01:38:34 -0500 >From: rudolf >Subject: Opcode Sonicport & Windows XP? >Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:53:24 -0400 > >Does anyone have experience using an Opcode Sonicport (coax) under = Windows=20 >XP? Does it work? I'm upgrading my system and I would like to move to = XP=20 >- but I won't do it if there are incompatibilities with the sonicport.. > >My system will be (if it matters) >Athlon XP 1800+ >Abit KR7A-raid motherboard >256 megs PC2100 > >Thanks, >rudy Hi Rudy, I'm using the Opcode Sonicport with XP. It is perfectly recognised as a = USB sound device, and I can play and record with it without any problems. The only downside is that the Opcode configuration = utility does NOT work under XP. So you cannot select sample rate, input (analog/digital) etc. while running XP. I have made a = dual-boot system with XP and Win98, so I can set the configuration under 98 and use it under XP. This also allows me to keep on racing, = because my MS (!!!) SideWinder Racing Steer is not supported under XP :-( Take care, JeroenZ=20 ------------------------------ From: Alejandro Montiel Subject: Question about repairing a Sony DTC-57ES Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Hello all: I just joined the list today and would like to post my first question :-) I have the opportunity to get a Sony DTC 57ES from a neighbor who is moving out and he is willing to sell it to me for about $50 because the deck rolls the tape when playing. I consider myself capable of undertaking minor and mid-sized repair projects and that is why I would like to ask if it is at all worth getting this unit from him and also if anybody could provide me with information as to what the most likely cause of the problem could be or any hints as to how to get it repaired. Please note that I live in Germany in case you want to provide information like stores for parts or stuff like that. Thank you in advance. Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "J Levene" Subject: 30 dats up for grabs Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:20:34 -0600 I have the following DATS that I would like to trade for blanks dats. I have been cleaning out the dats I no longer listen to or already have on CD. Let me know if you are interested. I would prefer to mail the entire 33 dats to 1 person. 1. Grateful Dead 12-01-79II Pittsburgh sbd 60m 2. Grateful Dead 03-29-90II Nassau Coliseum sbd 60m 3. Grateful Dead 05-18-77II Atlanta, GA sbd 60m 4. Grateful Dead 05-07-77I&IIBoston, MA sbd 90m 5. Grateful Dead 03-01-69I&IIFillmore West sbd 60m 6. Grateful Dead 09-06-80I Lewiston, ME aud 60m 7. Grateful Dead 09-06-80II Lewiston, ME aud 60m 8. Grateful Dead 10-20-90II Berlin, Ger. sbd 60m 9. Grateful Dead 06-11-76II Boston, MA sbd 60m 10. Grateful Dead 02-21-71I&IIPort Chester, NY sbd 90m 11. Grateful Dead 10-09-89I&IIHampton, VA sbd 90m 12. Grateful Dead 02-18-71I&IIPort Chester, NY sbd 90m 13. Grateful Dead 02-19-71I&IIPort Chester, NY sbd 90m 14. Grateful Dead 04-07-71I&IIBoston, MA sbd 90m (incl. WOTF outtakes) 15. Grateful Dead 09-16-78II Egypt sbd 60m 16. Grateful Dead 02-17-79I&IIOakland, CA sbd 90m 17. Grateful Dead 06-27-69 ? sbd 90m (incl. 6/28/69) 18. Grateful Dead 03-23-75 San Francisco pFM 60m (incl. The Band, etc) 19. Grateful Dead 06-09-76II(p)Boston sbd 60m 20. Grateful Dead 06-25-92II Chicago sbd 60m 21. Ratdog 08-09-95 Hampton Beach sbd 60m 22. JGB 11-26-83 Binghamton, NY sbd 60m 23. Garcia&Grisman 02-02-91II San Francisco aud 60m 24. David Grisman Q 08-03-94 Beaver Creek Co sbd 60m 25. Reunion of Friends02-13-94 San Francisco sbd 60m Crosby, Weir, Lesh etc 26. Good Old Boys 02-25-76 NYC, NY sbd 60m 27. Dave Brubeck 11-03-88 Minneapolis sbd 60m 28. Dave Brubeck 08-01-90 Boulder, CO sbd 60m 29. Branford Marsalis 01-16-93 Berkeley, CA sbd/mtx60m 30. Branford Marsalis 12-31-90 Oakland, CA sbd 60m ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************