DAT-heads Digest #383, Volume #6 Tue, 9 Jul 02 19:50:01 EDT Contents: Why the external preamp & a/d converters?? ("Jackson Gibbs") why we trade on DAT instead of CD.... ("john e. bogus") Looking buy new dat deck. ("Hayden Berard") Rush at PNC 7/11/2 tix available ("James D. Kerr") DAT to imac? ("daniel clayton") FS: WHO tickets for Camden, NJ (sean madigan) DAT transfers / EQ ("Thomas Avallone") 3 Aug 01 Amy Skelton's Farm PHISH DAT: Anybody very familiar (JH) fs: SCI dats ("Mincey, Patrick") Gear For Sale ("Johnny Longwood") Shellac 4 day tour ("geoff/morgan") FS: Sony RK-DA10 cable, Marcsounds Mic System, Zefiro ZA2 -- RK-DA10 already sold ("Josema Alonso") ISO: A COMPLETE guide to using Cool Edit Pro ("Chris M.") FS ("Crumpler, Ehren, RH") Anyone tape NRBQ at gathering of the vibes (Comnaround@aol.com) ISO: big windscreens (Eric Angel) on high-speed burning and cd error correction ("Jamie Lutch") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jackson Gibbs" Subject: Why the external preamp & a/d converters?? Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:42:43 -0700 Hey everyone!! I just returned from High Sierra (whew!) and did *much* taping with my MBHO 603's > Tascam DA-P1. I just finally put my first rig together this May and would have also added a preamp and a/d converter if I wasn't kinda waiting to see if the Mini-Me is all it seems to be... So, after listening to some of the MBHO > DA-P1 stuff from this weekend I'm wondering what I'm hearing that would be better if I had an external preamp and a/d converter?? In other words, why don't people just run directly into the DA-P1?? Not that I'm stupid or trolling or that the recordings I made were magically wonderful, but I just want to be sure I understand just why I'm buying the external preamp and a/d converter (and that I'm not just buying spendy boxes for the heck of it yet again ;-) -Jackson PS: My High Sierra lesson: Tea Leaf Green **ROCKS** BWT: Hornsby 7/1 or Tea Leaf Green 7/4 or 7/5 to the first who asks!! --- Sam I am down with the program Green eggs and ham Yosemite Sam ------------------------------ From: "john e. bogus" Subject: why we trade on DAT instead of CD.... Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:17:58 -0400 why we trade on DAT instead of CD.... standard argument: 1) Without going into telling (email me offlist if ya really wanna know...) you how your DAT recorder and your CD burner both work, the higher sampling rate of DAT produces a better, more accurate recording. With some individuals and/or under certain conditions, the difference in sampling rate *may* be audible, but this is subjective. Some of us just like to trade in 48khz, simply because we like to use the format which will give us the Best Quality. (Note that being conveinent does not enter into our decision to trade in 48khz as much as possible.) 2) There is only one straightforward way to make a DAT>DAT copy....you hook the digital output of one deck into the digital input of another....no real way to Screw It Up. There are many different ways to copy a CD, not all of them are bit perfect, and not everyone trading on CD's really cares....it is MUCH harder to ascertain that a CD's lineage is bit perfect, especially when lineage information is not usually even bothered with among most of those asking for CD trades. Another lineage problem with CD's is how good the quality of the DAT>CD transfer was. Resampling inherently causes inaccuracies in the recording by definition, and trading in the Original Mastering Format eliminates this source of inaccuracies entirely. 3) The running time for a DAT tape is 2 or 3 hours, versus 80minutes for CD.....some of us would rather have the most realistically accurate representation of a sonic event lasting longer than 80 minutes, I'll do without the edits and switching discs, thank you..... standard rant: I also get lot of CD's foisted upon me in trades, as well as the numerous "can you send it on CD" requests.....this problem has delayed postings of more uncirculated masters, due to a similar policy of getting the music into the hands of those who ask for it and not turning anyone down. For those of us who do not have much if any CD equipment (the ONLY CD player I have is one on my computer, which is an old 486 machine that cannot handle any other audio functions other than an analog playback of said CD) at all, converting to DAT and making CD copies presents something of a problem. This is usually why we say NO CD's in our postings, not because we want to turn anybody down. But yet you always get how many requests for the recording on CD when the responses to a post roll in. Yet on the other side of the coin, there are people I trade with who I eagerly bend over backwards for, because CD's are the only digital format they can transfer their 25-30 year old analog masters to. And how about those who post something nice and crispy to the list....on CD only? Lame.... Oh yeah, I'll accept those things in trade, but if someone is clueless about the need for bit-perfect copies and/or accurate resampling, then I try to trade 'em for videotapes instead, 'cause it's easier to copy a videotape than a CD without Screwing It Up..... Thanks for yet another posting, john e. bogus PS- A couple replies to things posted on the list a while back: 1) Cheap Hardcase Options- Mine says "Samsonite", and has held up fine since about 1987....probably the best $3 I've ever spent at a Goodwill or similar thrift store. The other small hardcase that fits inside it was picked out of a trashpile around 1988 if I remember correctly.....it's unbranded, but I can still stand on it and it dosen't collapse. 2) Jon Spencer Does NOT Allow Taping- I asked for permission (could only drag a fullsize deck in, my portable was broken) to record a show in 2/94 and was turned down in no uncertain terms....Jon Spencer's attitude on taping is very similar to one Robert Fripp....great shows and well worth taping, but ya gotta stealth..... ------------------------------ From: "Hayden Berard" Subject: Looking buy new dat deck. Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:29:53 -0400 My dat deck scares me way to much, so I need to buy a new one. The current d7 has been loading funny, sometimes works fine, but recently acted so wierd at the last 2 shows I've used it for that I don't trust it. I am looking to buy a new/used dat deck, preferably a d8/m1/100. If used, one owner, bought new and babied. I am hoping someone on this list may be able to offer a sale up to me. The current one is going on ebay maybe tonight with no guarantees. I will explain the full set of problems and maybe somebody will fix it up. I think I have a loaner dat for a week or so coming to me. 9 shows in 13 days coming up, I just couldn't trust this deck anymore. So if you can help me out email me. Thanks Hayden Berard aim: DMBHDB www.insidewantsout.com "Nothing makes white folks happier then a new Dave Matthews Band album." MAXIM http://stores.musictoday.com/store/dept.asp?dept_id=771&band_id=341 ------------------------------ From: "James D. Kerr" Subject: Rush at PNC 7/11/2 tix available Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:31:19 -0400 I have two extra tickets to the Rush Holmdel, NJ show that I'd rather unload to fellow DAT-heads. They're at Sec 201 Row E in Seats 18-24 http://www.artscenter.com/seating/ I will sell them for face value. Please contact me if interested. Jim ------------------------------ From: "daniel clayton" Subject: DAT to imac? Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:29:31 +1000 Dear DATheads, What is the most efficient way of  transfering the signal in digital format from a Sony TCD-D3 DAT recorder to an imac computer (using Cubasis) -  do I need a sound card (I have had conflicting reports on whether there is even a PCI slot on the imac (mine is the last of the old shape)) or can I somehow send a digital signal into the USB port via the 7-pin digital output on the side of the DAT. What is the setup that will give me the best quality - is this possible at reasonable cost? many thanks, Daniel. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: sean madigan Subject: FS: WHO tickets for Camden, NJ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 05:02:35 -0700 (PDT) I have a pair of Who tickets for sale for the July 27, 2002 show at the Tweeter Center in Camden NJ. They are for Section 204 row G, seats 13 and 14, good seats I hear. I paid $193.00, but will take $170.00. First person to get me a money order wins. Email me if your interested. Sean Madigan: sm6325@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Thomas Avallone" Subject: DAT transfers / EQ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:18:31 +0000 Is there a program out there that would allow me to play wav files on my hard drive and adjust the EQ while LISTENING to it ? I'm using Cool Edit 96 and I'm tired of highlighting a section of the wav, adjusting the EQ, then playing it back - only to find out I need more bass, treble, ect....Anyone have any better solutions ??? Tom "I've heard there's joy untold Lays open like a road In front of me" ~ PJ Harvey http://www.tav2367.20m.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: JH Subject: 3 Aug 01 Amy Skelton's Farm PHISH DAT: Anybody very familiar Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:20:20 -0500 Hello, I dug this classic out of the DAT stacks and transferred it to CDR. Now I'm wondering how close to the best master mine is. The beginning of "Antelope" has a volume surge, and an edit glitch in it. Also there are diginoise bursts in two places on the tape. Is there anyone who can offer a definitive "tape defect" description of this Phish classic? Thanks, and perhaps I should just put this one to rest in favor of a pristine transfer from the master from elsewhere. Jonathan ------------------------------ From: "Mincey, Patrick" Subject: fs: SCI dats Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:01:30 -0400 I am selling these shows: SCI 7/18/98 I,II =20 SCI 12/12/98 I,II SCI 3/11/99 I,II SCI 3/13/99 I,II SCI 4/6/99 I,II SCI 9/4/99 one set Phil+Friends 4/16/99 I,II Each set is on Sony DGP60m with the exception of 9/4/99 which is on a = Maxell HS/4 60m. $2 dollars for each tape plus the cost of shipping, = email me with questions. Thanks PMM ------------------------------ From: "Johnny Longwood" Subject: Gear For Sale Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:33:33 -0400 Pair Neumann TLM-170R large diaphragm mics (5 switchable polar patterns) includes: >>Pelican hard shell case (just big enough for the mics) w/ cutout foam >>interior pair of Neumann 10 meter cables >>pair of Neumann windscreens >>owners manuals >>$3,000 Sony TCD-D10 Pro 2 includes: >>owner's and repair manuals >>sony 12 pin to AES/EBU cable, 12 pin mic pistol grip/wired remote control >>(2) cables to go from AES/EBU to S/PDIF (1 in, 1 out) >>(3) Sony rechargeable NiCad batteries (internal) and charger >>AC and DC adapters (DCP-80 for running off external batteries) >>Deluxe pleather case >>Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) Batteries (Gel Cells): (1) 12V 7.2 amp hr (1) 12V 12 amp hr (1) "wall wart" style charger >>$1,000 Note: Pro Digital recently tuned up this deck. Everything is clean and in very good working condition. Porta Brace Bag (this bag was originally designed to house a video camera and will carry this entire rig) >>Extremely durable >>Cushioned Leather Strap >>Interior is heavily padded to protect your gear >>Variety of pockets and compartments >>$150 Digital Patch Bay >>1 S/PDIF input, 5 S/PDIF outputs >>AC adapter >>9V battery adapter >>4 pin XLR adapter (run off SLA's) >>$100 Sony PCM R-300 Home Deck >>Original Box, Manual & Remote >>$300 Bogen/Manfrotto Stands (black in color) >>(1) 8' Mic Stand (1) 12' Mic Stand (has a dent, but works fine) >>$100 (for both) Located ~20 miles due West of NYC in New Jersey, 07901, buyer to pay actual shipping and insurance costs (obviously this is free if you arrange to pick up the gear). Feel free to email me with any questions. johnnylongwood@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "geoff/morgan" Subject: Shellac 4 day tour Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:46:57 -0600 Did anyone tape any of the following Shellac shows: 7/5 Detroit 7/6 Columbus, OH 7/7 Newport, KY 7/8 Bloomington, IN ------------------------------ From: "Josema Alonso" Subject: FS: Sony RK-DA10 cable, Marcsounds Mic System, Zefiro ZA2 -- RK-DA10 already sold Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:04:43 +0200 Hi, all. The RK-DA10 cable has already been sold. Thanks to all who wrote asking for it. The Marcsounds Mic System and Zefiro ZA2 are still around here. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: "Chris M." Subject: ISO: A COMPLETE guide to using Cool Edit Pro Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Hello, I am beginning to make my first digital transfers into my computer via a digital soundcard. I just got Cool Edit Pro but I don't have any of the manuals. Is there anywhere on the internet where I can find a guide to using all of the features? I've played around a little bit and have learned a few things, but I'm having trouble with multi-tracking and even synching two or more different audio sources. If you can point me in the right direction (or even help me yourself), I would appreciate it so much, I'd be willing to hook you up with some SHN's from my vast collection. Email or IM @ Pistol Cris. Thank You! ===== Check out my site: http://www.geocities.com/chris_83_01/ChrisDMB.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Crumpler, Ehren, RH" Subject: FS Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:41:22 -0600 I have the following items for sale: Sony D100 Dat deck with the Oade modified pre-amp: This deck is really almost brand new with only 30hrs on the deck. I guarantee it is in perfect mechanical and cosmetic condition, honestly barely used because it was purchased new in June 2001 and used as a backup only since November 2001. Pair MBHO 603 w/hyper-cardiod caps: Not a scratch on them, purchased new in July 2001 Possibly also my psp2 if I get the right offer, the other stuff is ready to go ASAP. ------------------------------ From: Comnaround@aol.com Subject: Anyone tape NRBQ at gathering of the vibes Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:46:18 EDT Lots to offer in return in the way of any of the shows I taped fob at Bonnaroo or Panic at Red Rocks from a few weeks ago. Those all came out pretty nice. Always looking for more Q. Thanks for the space. Mark Lynn ------------------------------ From: Eric Angel Subject: ISO: big windscreens Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:21:02 -0700 I am looking for suggestions on more effective windscreens for my Oktava MC012 mics. They are "average" sized mic bodies about 3/4" diameter. The stock windscreens that came with them are rather thin. I don't want to spend too much on them (i.e. less than $50) Thanks, Eric ------------------------------ From: "Jamie Lutch" Subject: on high-speed burning and cd error correction Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:31:57 -0700 while shopping for a new burner, I came across the following more-than-you-ever-wanted-to-know article: http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Articles/Specific.asp?ArticleHeadline=Writin g+Quality&index=0 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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