DAT-heads Digest #387
Contents:
Taping policy of Beck?? ("Stephen Pzynski")
pcm-r500 cheap ("BOB \"Tangus\" Klabik")
Len Moskowitz (BB)
going down ("Neil Sturtevant")
ISO: Rush - Darien Lake 7/7/02 (DM13DM@aol.com)
URGENT: Lou Reed/Laurie Anderson shows lenght ("Luigi Bagatella")
re: single point stereo mics (Nick Georges)
I Need SCI @ Merriweather Taper Ticket ("Mincey, Patrick")
Ian Moore tour dates and taping policy ("Robert Gervais")
Panasonic SV-3900 manual & remote wanted (digitalman01@earthlink.net)
Soundcard question (DAVEDARC@aol.com)
re: DAT>WAV and track splitting in Linux? (cook@eklektix.com)
re: DAT>WAV and track splitting in Linux? ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
DAT > USB input devices ("J W Norris")
RE: Slightly Stoopid SBD access (Richard Davis)
ISO digital soundcard advice (Steve Gilbert)
DATs for blanks (Deadtour@cs.com)
FA: Sony TCD-D7 & Roland UA-30 ("JR")
Nomad 3 does NOT drop samples?!?! ("Winnie Olmer")
From: "Stephen Pzynski" <stejampzy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Taping policy of Beck??
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:22:25 -0500
Hey all....
Beck is launching a solo acoustic tour in early August and I'm wondering if
anyone knows of his current taping policy. I can't seem to find any info on
his newly updated website (beck.com) and am hoping somebody has had
semi-recent experience. Thanks in advance....
Steve
http://www.geocities.com/stejampzy/cdlist.htm
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From: "BOB \"Tangus\" Klabik" <Tangus999@ameritech.net>
Subject: pcm-r500 cheap
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:00:14 -0400
for those of you who want a r500 cheap, musicians friend is clear out their
dat stuff
m1-699 new
and
r500.....499! damn new to!
link:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=020711204941065043209053648773/searc
h/detail/base_id/55989
heads up for all you, 3 left
Check you later BOB
AAA Recordings
cell 216-299-1681
From: BB <usablues-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: Len Moskowitz
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:02:27 -0700
I've been trying to reach Len (at Coresounds) for the last week and a half
by phone and email. No response. We sent in some mics for repair but have
had no reply. Has anyone else had trouble lately getting in touch with
him? We need the mics back early next week and I am getting anxious about
it now.
Thanks in advance.
My web page: http://listen.to/usablues
My Bernstein web page: http://listen.to/bernstein
AOL IM: usablues / ICQ #: 160569632
From: "Neil Sturtevant" <esteyes@cox.net>
Subject: going down
Reply-To: <esteyes@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:28:36 -0700
i am having to shut down my normal trading addy esteyes@cox.net for a few
days as i woke up last nite at 3am for some god forsaken reason to walk
downstairs and find the kitchen, music room, and tv room 2 inches deep in
water from the busted water pipe under the sink. i can be reached at my
alternate addy of:
scarletfire@cox.net (this is my garage pooter)
please contact me there for any trading issues until i get the carpet and
music room back in useable condition, and realize i will be slow in
responding
sorry and thanx for your patience
Neil Sturtevant
"shadowboxing the apocalypse,
wandering the land"
From: DM13DM@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Rush - Darien Lake 7/7/02
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:15:43 EDT
Looking for Rush - Darien Lake 7/7/02.
Lots to trade.
lmk
Thanks,
Bob
From: "Luigi Bagatella" <luigi.bagatella@tin.it>
Subject: URGENT: Lou Reed/Laurie Anderson shows lenght
Reply-To: "Luigi Bagatella" <luigi.bagatella@tin.it>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:03:09 +0200
does anybody know how long is the current Lou Reed/Laurie Anderson tour?
I don't know if I have to use a 90m tape in SP or in LP mode.
Please help me, I will tape them tomorrow in Ferrara, Italy.
thanks
Luigi
From: Nick Georges <nick@nickspicks.com>
Subject: re: single point stereo mics
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:58:51 -0400
Hey now....
I have the demo disc that Royer will offer for interested SF-12
shoppers. you should get it (just ask for it ...they will send it right
away).
Im pretty familiar with ST-250, I have a number of friends who own or
have used one extensively in the past.
No comparison. The Soundfield is waaaayyyy more versatile. You
'wouldn't want to take an HQ ribbon mic like the Royer out for field use
any way. One strong gust of wind could break it. Those ribbons are
very sensitive. Royer tried to downplay my fears there though. I was
going to buy one this past winter so I was talking w/them quite a bit.
In the studio, that thing sounds soooo smooth though. Very detailed and
warm sounding mic.
I would think that smokey bars wouldn't' be good for either of them as
well.
A couple of other mics to think about might be the neumann sm69 / sm23
or any of the AKG stereo mic family, c24, c34, c422, c424, c426.
I have a c422, and its' the best mic I've ever owned/used..hands down.
The ST-250 was my target...but I got a good deal on my AKG and I really
like it.
The Neumanns/AKGs and Soundfield all offer an external box for
controlling the polar patterns of the capsules independently (neumann
usm69 has selectable switches on the mic itself)
To criticize the ST-250, I think it's a little brittle sounding in the
high end..but it depends on what you are recording. check out any of
the ample GD recordings from 1993 that Jamie Young/Clay Brennecke/Ron
Kaiser made. You'll see what I mean. They never ran it through a
quality preamp though (that i'm aware of) for any of those shows that
year....plus the dead has a strange sound going on that year..the mic
seemed to eat up the strangeness, which I hear as a harsh high-end.
However...it's an amazing mic. Ron has been doing a lot of stage taping
(steve kimock) with his and those are just amazing recordings. The
sense of depth/imagery is outstanding...second to none.
As it should be for $3800
The AKG and Neumanns can probably be had used for less than $2k and are
just as versitile...but do not have the 4 capsule array that the
soundfield has.
IMO, the soundfield is *THE* stereo mic. It's pretty damn impressive
microphone technology.
But...the AKGs ...they have cool little lights on them! Now that's
gatta be worth something.
;-)
From: "Mincey, Patrick" <pamincey@davidson.edu>
Subject: I Need SCI @ Merriweather Taper Ticket
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:04:13 -0400
Hey,
I'm looking to buy any taper ticket you may have for String Cheese at =
Merriweather Post in MD next thursday. Thanks
Patrick
From: "Robert Gervais" <bgervais@texas-city-tx.org>
Subject: Ian Moore tour dates and taping policy
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:19:34 -0500
For those interested in Texas guitarist/songwriter Ian Moore, please find
some tour dates below you can catch him at. Ian is cool with taping. His
former manager, Jan, was not. He allows the fan club to tape- the shows end
up as mp3s on the fan club site: www.mooremusic.net. Check it out!!
If you want to tape, send an email in advance to me or Mike Fulton, the
webmeister, and we can see about trying to get you permission and possibly
board access. If you can catch Chris Dye, Ian's road manager, tell him you
have hooked up with us and you will send a copy to us for
www.mooremusic.net, and Chris will probably be very accomodating. He is
really cool.
Good luck and we are always looking for Ian Moore tapes we don't have!
Bobby Gervais
ritchfan@airmail.net
7/13/02 10:30:00 PM The Laboratory San Antonio, TX Full Band
7310 jones maltzberger
contact 210-824-1997
7/17/02 9:30:00 PM Poor David's Pub Dallas, TX Accoustic
tix 15$
1924 Greenville ave
contact 214-821-9891
7/18/02 8:00:00 PM Blue Door Oklahoma City, OK Accoustic
tix 20$
contact 405-524-0738
2805 N. Mikinley
7/19/02 9:00:00 PM Blue Door Oklahoma City, OK Accoustic
tix 20$
contact 405-524-0738
2805 N. Mikinley
7/20/02 7:00:00 PM Avondale Theater Tulsa , OK Accoustic
tix 15$
1511 S. Delaware
contact 918-746-9988
7/24/02 9:00:00 PM schuba's Chicago, IL solo acoustic-early show at
Schuba's..Only chicago area show.
3159 N. Southport ave
contact 773-525-2508
tix 12$
7/25/02 10:00:00 PM 7th street entry Minneapolis, MN solo acoustic show--TBA
7/27/02 10:00:00 PM The Social Milwuakee, WI Accoustic show
434 south 2nd st
contact 414-270-0438
tix 6$
Tracking #: 3F0D976E3F643D4F9F58E389B7CC7FC873436B65
From: digitalman01@earthlink.net
Subject: Panasonic SV-3900 manual & remote wanted
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:28:39 -0400
Hey Dat-Heads.
I would like to get an owners manual for a Panasonic SV-3900. Has
anyone got one in electronic form somewhere?
I would also like to find a working SH-MK390 wired remote
controller.
If you can help me please reply. Thanks.
peace,
Sean
From: DAVEDARC@aol.com
Subject: Soundcard question
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:29:51 EDT
Soundcard question. I am looking at the M-Audio Delta Series Audiophile 2496.
It has been recommended to me by someone that has it. The advantages are that
it does not resample, and that you can do "true" 24 bit and up to 96Khz
recording/sampling. Digital in for the DAT and digi out as well. Also analog
in/out and midi hookups.
The downside is that the cdrom does not have a hookup into the card, so
anything played on it will not be heard. Anything on the HD can be heard
though.
Do you see this as a problem. I don't but is there a better card I should be
getting do you think?
Please respond to me offline at thermco@lisco.com
Thanks,
Jim
From: cook@eklektix.com
Subject: re: DAT>WAV and track splitting in Linux?
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:05:50 -0600
Yossi Pollak asks:
>What do people use to record WAV's from DATs and then splitting the big
>file into tracks when running Linux?
I use a nice (free) package called Broadcast 2000, which is a video editing
system with a decent graphical audio editing sub-section.
It was available at http://heroinewarrior.com/bcast2000.php3,
but it looks like it has been replaced by Cinerella.
The original code can be still found here:
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/broadcast2000/
Here's a quick description of my Linux audio setup, some day I hope to
write this up in more detail:
Hardware:
Pentium 266 (slow) box with Red Hat 7.0
15GB disk for audio files (more space would be nice)
DDS2 (data) DAT drive for backing up wav files, this isn't compatible
with audio DAT tapes.
Zoltrix Nightengale spd/if UART card
DSD box for removing SCMS and converting spd/if coaxial to optical
SCSI CD burner (Yamaha)
Flying Cow A/D, D/A to spd/if box
Software
Alsa sound driver to talk to the Zoltrix card
for recording I use either Broadcast 2000 or a simple utility recorder
called sound-recorder.
I use sox for conversion of 48K to 44.1K
I use ecasound for doing stereo normalization on the tracks, that
bumps both the right and left channels up to 100% amplitude.
cdparanoia can 'rip' CDs to the hard drive, cdrdao is used to
write CDs.
I have put together a tar file (binaud.tar) with all of my utility audio
scripts, it's available here:
http://www.solorb.com/software/
I use this system for:
transferring 48K and 44.1K DAT tapes to CDr
copying CDr to CDr (not copyrighted material)
re-editing and volume normalizing badly recorded CDs
transferring reel tapes and cassettes to CDr
mixing down spd/if audio from a digital multitrack porta-studio
Since it's all open-source software, there are no licensing fees,
and you can be assured that it is: bits in == bits out.
I wouldn't recommend this kind of setup for people who don't enjoy
doing serious technical work on their computers. To get a running system,
you need to be able to install an operating system, configure and compile
the Linux kernel, and work with hardware.
Forrest Cook cook@lwn.net
http://eklektix.com/gfc/ WB0RIO
From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: re: DAT>WAV and track splitting in Linux?
Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:44:41 -0500 (CDT)
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 cook@eklektix.com wrote:
>
> Yossi Pollak asks:
>
> >What do people use to record WAV's from DATs and then splitting the big
> >file into tracks when running Linux?
>
> I use a nice (free) package called Broadcast 2000, which is a video editing
> system with a decent graphical audio editing sub-section.
> It was available at http://heroinewarrior.com/bcast2000.php3,
> but it looks like it has been replaced by Cinerella.
> The original code can be still found here:
> http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/broadcast2000/
>
> Here's a quick description of my Linux audio setup, some day I hope to
> write this up in more detail:
>
> Hardware:
> Pentium 266 (slow) box with Red Hat 7.0
> 15GB disk for audio files (more space would be nice)
> DDS2 (data) DAT drive for backing up wav files, this isn't compatible
> with audio DAT tapes.
> Zoltrix Nightengale spd/if UART card
> DSD box for removing SCMS and converting spd/if coaxial to optical
> SCSI CD burner (Yamaha)
> Flying Cow A/D, D/A to spd/if box
>
> Software
> Alsa sound driver to talk to the Zoltrix card
> for recording I use either Broadcast 2000 or a simple utility recorder
> called sound-recorder.
> I use sox for conversion of 48K to 44.1K
> I use ecasound for doing stereo normalization on the tracks, that
> bumps both the right and left channels up to 100% amplitude.
> cdparanoia can 'rip' CDs to the hard drive, cdrdao is used to
> write CDs.
Almost identical to mine. Some differences:
Slackware Linux 8.0 (I've been a slackware user for close to a decade)
450Mhz PII
DIO CMI 2448 (same chip as Zoltrix)
CO2 for optical <-> coax
Stock kernel driver for CMI (alsa's is nice too, but the stock driver
is easier to hack)
Sony SDT9000 w/audio firmware
100% SCSI
I just recently discovered Broadcast 2000 and I'm very impressed. A
freeware linux program that rivals Cool Edit or Soundforge in its
capabilities. It also has video capture/edit capabilities, but I've
never messed with that. I still use Xwave to track out DAT's for CD
conversion. I keep the whole file from the DAT as a raw PCM file since
I still mainly do DAT to DAT. For CD's I use cdrdao's non-destructive
editing features to burn several CD's from that single file.
[SNIP]
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr. KG9ME
wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
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From: "J W Norris" <tapes@pls-inc.com>
Subject: DAT > USB input devices
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:32:14 -0700
What is currently available for S/Pdif input from a Sony D7 [coax] to my
PC [Windows98 and/or WindowsXP/Pro] via a USB port. I have researched
some of the older digests and find the several systems mentioned [Edirol
UA-1D, Ego Sys Waveterminal U2A as an example].
What is the recommended system to use. Is it a bit-to-bit transfer? How
is conversion to 44.1K handled?
Any input is greatly appreciated.
J W Norris
Pacific Lighting Sales Incorporated
Lake Forest, CA 92630
www.pls-inc.com/jwnorris
From: Richard Davis <wehideandseek@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Slightly Stoopid SBD access
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
Namaste Y'all!
in addition to my day job as a social worker i am a
concert promoter at night
[www.greenhouseproductions.net]
Stoopid was here as part of the Yellow Snow tour last
winter and were DECIDEDLY anti-taping.
In fact these guys had quite the attitude in general
and at the end of the night trashed some of the sound
engineer's vocal mics by tossing them to the floor
below :(
So beware...
You might want a lil better clarification RE: their
'tude towards taping.
take care
richard from flagstaff
BWT: DAT CLONE ONLY
One of the below to one digester and one realtimer.
If you didn't hear from me, ya didn't make it.
The Asylum Street Spankers 09.08.01 @ The Alley,
Flagstaff AZ MG300(ortf)>V2>DA302 @ 48khz 60m
The Asylum Street Spankers 01.30.02 @ the Alley,
Flagstaff AZ MG300(ortf)>V2>M1 @48khz 90m
[w/ Guy Forsyth]
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From: Steve Gilbert <gilbert@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: ISO digital soundcard advice
Reply-to: gilbert@cs.utk.edu
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:36:46 -0400
Apologies for asking what I'm sure is a very frequently asked
question, but I don't read DAT-heads as regularly as I used to.
I'm in the market for a new digital soundcard for my home PC, and
was wondering if anyone could offer any advice on what the good ones
currently are.
What I'm primarily interested in doing is reading in my 48k DATs to
hard drive with no resampling. I don't use CDs at all, so burning
CDs or cutting down to 44.1 is not something I care about. I just
need to do 48k back and forth between hard drive and DAT.
I would also like to have 24-bit/96k capability, as I hope to start
recording in this format soon.
Thanks in advance!
Steve Gilbert
gilbert@cs.utk.edu
From: Deadtour@cs.com
Subject: DATs for blanks
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:37:57 EDT
If anyone is curious about what Dark Star Orchestra
sounds like, here is an offer to trade for sealed, blank DATs.
DSO - 5-18-02 Electric Factory, Phila, PA
DSO - 3-1-02 State Theater, VA
DSO - 3-2-02 State Theater, VA
Total of six DATs (3, 60m and 3, 90m)
Recorded with Schoeps mk4 > Sonosax > SBM
Please e-mail privately if interested.
Thanks,
Chris
BWT - Wind Gap Bluegrass Festival 2001
various artists on one 90m DAT to first respondent.
Cannot be the same person that claims the DSO shows.
From: "JR" <jr@digijam.org>
Subject: FA: Sony TCD-D7 & Roland UA-30
Reply-To: "JR" <jr@digijam.org>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:57:20 -0400
Just an FYI that I've got a TCD-D7 and a Roland UA-30 USB Interface for
auction.
The D7 has less than 100 hours and the Roland was used only once or twice.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1365576729
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1365582154
B/W Tax:
to the first 5 who email me:
2-cd set of Pearl Jam's 1992 MTV Unplugged (+Sdck)
source: dSBD
if you don't hear back, you're not one of the 5
JR
From: "Winnie Olmer" <who@sover.net>
Subject: Nomad 3 does NOT drop samples?!?!
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:36:09 -0400
I've been speaking with people using the Nomad 3 at Phil & Friends shows.
They say they have experienced NO dropouts after recording several shows. So
what's the story? Do we believe the extensive review that has been
referenced here at DATheads several times... or the many users at shows??
People who have direct experience... please chime in. While the Nomad 3 has
some issues... no record levels, 44.1khz, 16bit, if it does not drop
samples... then it is an alternative, or companion to DAT recording. Many
DATheads have expressed their desire to get a Nomad 3 until the review came
out and said it dropped samples. Indeed... I had one on order until I read
the test results. (sorry... I dont remember the link to the guy who did the
extensive tests, and currently.. I cant search DATheads... it's down or
something)
So... please... if other people have Nomad 3 experience using it for live
recording as a DAT alternative... please let us know what your experience
has been.
thanx!!
winnie
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