DAT-heads Digest #413
Contents:
Rush in Bonner Springs and St. Louis (Marc Kim)
Digital Mellenium Copyright Act,again! (Charles Muccia)
Non-DAT question (don't shoot, I'll go peacefully) (Bob Crockett)
ISO: DMB Shows ("KUZEN J")
ISO: Tool GA Ticket - Cobo Hall, Detroit - Aug. 26th ("Erik Heath")
DAT transfers... ("O'Rourke, Justin")
ISO:Janes Addiction tour dates ("Arnold, Joseph")
"That old black Sabbath" on DAT ("Arnold, Joseph")
Re: ZA2 and old computers for burning (Keith Bode)
HOUSE OF BLUES security ("Thomas Avallone")
ISO: Bruce Hornsby 7/29/02 Wolf Trap (CBTSC3@aol.com)
Fwd: RE: ISA Digi Soundcard Tweaking (Clicking and Popping) (Mac)
WTD: Phil and Friends 7-28 WPB/DYLAN/Springsteen ("paul gluchanicz")
Seeking tapers for upcoming Murderdolls shows (Alfred Ritter)
PLEASE READ THIS!!!!!!!!!! (michael ryan)
Weezer/FS Goo Goo Dolls Tix/Lisa Loeb (JHParkin@aol.com)
Post-Processing live DATs - two questions (see end) (Brendan Hoar)
Mid-Summer Sale at Sonic Sense ("Marc Nutter")
FS: Nak CM-700 mics (stealth version) ("Nic Brokenleg")
seller alert --BEWARE (Scott C. Brown 02)
From: Marc Kim <leegeddy2112@yahoo.com>
Subject: Rush in Bonner Springs and St. Louis
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:23:55 -0700 (PDT)
hi;
any one attending these 2 shows (Bonner Springs, KS is
Thu and St. Louis is Fri)?
i'll have my rig with me and would like to swap some
DATs.
marc
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-Geddy Lee, RUSH
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From: Charles Muccia <cvm900@yahoo.com>
Subject: Digital Mellenium Copyright Act,again!
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:04:33 -0700 (PDT)
I thought the readers of this list might find this
article very interesting (and scary!). It may end up
affecting us all.
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-946890.html
Charles
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From: Bob Crockett <bcrocket@texas.net>
Subject: Non-DAT question (don't shoot, I'll go peacefully)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:32:30 -0500
OK, I grokked the answers to the folks who wanted to know
WHY the DAT-heads list didn't do CDR trades. I, however,
am looking for folks recording direct to their PCs. I know
they are out there, but info on interest groups and hardware
seems pretty scarce. So, I'm hoping for directions to find
"direct-to-PC" recording info. No offense intended!
Thanx, Bob
From: "KUZEN J" <kuzen_j@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: DMB Shows
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:01:51 -0400
I'm looking for these Dave Matthews Band shows, for a friend at work so he
can surprise her with them while she's off at school.
{she attended these two shows}
----- looking for high Quality ONLY ------
1. 07-12-2002 Charlotte,NC @ Verizon Wireless Amph.
2. 07-13-2002 Virginia Beach,VA @ Verizon Wireless Amph.
Dat or disc don't matter to me. Will send my list w/much to offer.
Thanks,
Michael
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From: "Erik Heath" <erikheath@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Tool GA Ticket - Cobo Hall, Detroit - Aug. 26th
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:06:32 +0000
would like to tape this...NOT from the nosebleeds
thanks
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From: "O'Rourke, Justin" <JORourke@hrgreen.com>
Subject: DAT transfers...
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:15:39 -0500
I just bought a DAT and have a few questions on transferring shows from DAT
to cd. I currently have a standalone burner w/ optical in so I was planning
on going DAT -> Standalone burner -> EAC -> .wav in order to get it to my pc
to do the normalization & track splits. Does anyone see any problems going
this route? I don't have the money to spend on getting a new soundcard, so
I'm hoping this will work. I'm guessing I'll have to record 44.1kHz in order
to keep it from resampling when I go from DAT -> Standalone burner right? I
won't be doing any dat clones so I don't see the reason to go 48kHz? Sorry
I'm fairly new to all of this and want to make sure I'm understanding this.
Also what cables would I need in order to do this transfer, and also what
cable would I need to patch other DAT. BTW I have a Sony TCD-D100 if that
makes a diff.
thanks,
stoopidstp
bwt:
Free upload of any show on my list (<http://db.etree.org/stoopidstp)>; to
the first two people to reply w/ BWT as the subject.
From: "Arnold, Joseph" <Joseph.Arnold@SDMS.USA.XEROX.COM>
Subject: ISO:Janes Addiction tour dates
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:22:32 -0400
All,
Anyone know the current tour dates scheduled for Janes and could post them
here or email me off list. I saw in a post that they were in Japan
recently. Thanks - Joe
From: "Arnold, Joseph" <Joseph.Arnold@SDMS.USA.XEROX.COM>
Subject: "That old black Sabbath" on DAT
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:41:44 -0400
All,
There was an "extra dats for blank cdrs" trade recently and I was hoping
someone might help me find that source(Hollywood bowl in particular) for
trade or blanks.
Re-
Subject: extra dats for blank cdrs
batch #1
blacksabbath @ wichita 3/25/71 2ndgenana>dc + hollywood 10/15/72
3rdgenc>dc
********************************************************************
Also looking for any other old sources with the Ozzman solo &
w/Sabbath...Way more interesting than anything he's done recently! Have
Sabbath/Ozz solo stuff, Zep & I have maybe 20 odd shows that I have done to
trade. Thanks - Joe
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: ZA2 and old computers for burning
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:33:52 -0700
I have this od compuer that works to damn good to geet rid of. I don't
use a ZA2, but I do use it for a vriety of tasks. It's an AMD K6-2 450
ased computer, with an Asus P5A MOBO. I keep 256 megs of PC 100 RAM in
it, and it seems to run almost as fast as a P3 700. I have a Plextr
12x10x32 SCSI Burner, a Plextor Ultrapex 40 max CD ROM in it, and an
Adaptec 2940 SCSI card in it. It seems to burn faster than the claimed
burning rate, and the rest of the box is reliable as an anvil. Use it
to burn, sometimes throough a Network, sometimes using the 2 smaller
older IBM drives, that have been quiet as a church mouse since 1998 or
so. I think of selling it, but the money I coud get for it isn't squat
compared to the use I get out of it.
Keith
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From: "Thomas Avallone" <tav2367@msn.com>
Subject: HOUSE OF BLUES security
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:52:26 +0000
Who has been to the HOUSE OF BLUES in Chicago ??? Or ANY HOB for that
matter. Word has it that Sheryl Crow will be playing there on Sept 19, and
I MUST get my gear in past the metal detectors. Is it a walk through ???
Wands ??? Do they check you from head to toe ???
HELP !!!
Tom
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Lays open like a road
In front of me"
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From: CBTSC3@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Bruce Hornsby 7/29/02 Wolf Trap
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:42:20 -0400
Wondering if anyone taped this show? Plenty of other good shows (although no Hornsby) to trade or can B&P. Thanks.
Craig
From: Mac <mhathaway@netway.com>
Subject: Fwd: RE: ISA Digi Soundcard Tweaking (Clicking and Popping)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:24:12 -0400
Hey folks,
In my search for info about my Prodif24, which has documented problems with
clicks/pops/etc (it is an ISA card), I discovered a newsgroup
at news.sekd.com > alt.sekd. It appears to be maintained by
SEK'D, but it seems to have a wealth of info regarding digital soundcards
(mostly SEK'D), transfers, software (mostly Samplitude, but some others),
etc, which I think may well be generally applicable. Specifically, they
mention some solutions to the clicking and popping issues, which sound like
they may be generic ISA card issues... Here are some excerpts:
"Regarding the clicks and pops: I had this problem for several months.
1. In control panel:system:performance:graphics turn hardware acceleration OFF
2. Disable swap file
3. Have Virtual memory size NOT be handled by Windows, and manually set a
large size, like 40 megs.
Try swapping DMA channels... This worked for another Prodif24 owner."
This info is accessible via "newgroups", which I couldn't get at with
Netscape 4.08, but I could with Netscape 6, under Tasks/Mail &
Newsgroups. First you have to subscribe, and download headers.... Well, I
will leave this as an excercise, since I can't quite remember how I did
it... (Never actually looked at newsgroups before yesterday!...)
Another thing which I have come across is this: "Bring up the Control
Panel and double-click on Administrative Tools. Click on Services and sort
the list by Status. Turn off every service that you possibly can. You'll
be told when a service can't be shut down. Some of the problematic
applications like Antivirus apps running in the background or the
*****Auto-Insert CD detection service that constantly checks to see if
media has been inserted in your CD drive(s) (thus utilizing the I/O bus and
potentially disrupting your DAT transfer) can be shut down here****."
(emphasis mine)
I found this at http://www.cdrfaq.org/ , which has a HUGE FAQ all about
recording CD's. Quite worth checking out.
Sorry if this is old news... Hope it helps.
Mac
Brian Kelly said:
>"...Currently I've experienced the 'clicking' problem with my Dell p3
system, 512 mb ram, scsi hd, running windows 2k and xp pro. Obviously it
should not be a hardware limitation, I'm thinking more of a configuration
problem being that this is an 16-bit ISA card, rather than a 32-bit PCI
card, which do not seem to hog up the CPU cycles nearly as much...."
From: "paul gluchanicz" <paulphish@hotmail.com>
Subject: WTD: Phil and Friends 7-28 WPB/DYLAN/Springsteen
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:16:37 +0000
Looking for the Phil and Friends from West Palm Beach 7-28-02 and
also anything from the upcoming Dylan and Springsteen tours(also any
of the Asbury shows). Have tons to trade, email me.
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From: Alfred Ritter <rnrjunkee@yahoo.com>
Subject: Seeking tapers for upcoming Murderdolls shows
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
Im looking for tapers to tape Murderdolls. Who do you
ask is Murderdolls well they are members of Slipknot,
Static X and some unkowns. Their sound has been
compared to as Slayer meets Motley Crue meets Twisted
Sister. They are on Roadrunner Records their album
doesnt come out for a month yet. So if you can tape
any of the upcoming shows please contact me.
Wed 07/31/02 San Francisco, CA Slim's
Thu 08/01/02 West Hollywood, CA Whisky A Go Go
Sat 08/03/02 Tempe, AZ Bash On Ash
Mon 08/05/02 Boulder, CO Fox Theatre
Wed 08/07/02 Indianapolis, IN Emerson Theatre
Thu 08/08/02 Detroit, MI St. Andrews Hall
Fri 08/09/02 Chicago, IL Metro / Smart Bar
Sat 08/10/02 Des Moines, IA Hairy Mary's
Sat 08/17/02 Tokyo, JPN Chiba Marine Stadium
Sun 08/18/02 Osaka, JPN WTC Open Air Stadium
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From: michael ryan <luv2brew@yahoo.com>
Subject: PLEASE READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:24:49 -0700 (PDT)
Hey Now Folks I am at the USFS station in Gasquet,
CA. as they are kind enough to let me have 15 minutes
computer time with my laptop.
Anyway, Thanks to all who have sent thier best
wishes in this crisis. We are now back to a one hour
evacuation notice because the winds have kicked up and
if the two fires merge its adios homestead.
So once again for those that did not read the first
message I sent ( digest #411 ) I am unable to do any
dubbing and/or burning right now. So please be
patient. I have had a couple of unpleasant notes from
people saying I am flaking. To them all I can say is
grab a shovel and some heavy boots and work clothes
and come help out the fire fighters that are working
so hard to get these fires put out.
I will keep all posted as things change and when I
can get back to trading....
Peace, Michael
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From: JHParkin@aol.com
Subject: Weezer/FS Goo Goo Dolls Tix/Lisa Loeb
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:45:38 -0400
For those interested I went to the Weezer concert in Columbus 7/18/02. I
used DSM6>PA-6LC3>M1 taped 17th row FOB dead center.
I also have some Goo Goo Dolls tickets for sale for August 20th in Columbus,
Ohio. They are section "C"(lower pavillion) row "Z" seats 7 and 8. I paid
with all ticketmaster charges $88.00. I can't go to the show so if any wants
to get some good seats let me know.
Also did anyone happen to record Lisa Loeb in Columbus on July 6, 2002 at
brewmasters gate, if so I would like to get a copy.
later,
jeff
JHParkin@aol.com
From: Brendan Hoar <brendan@brendan.org>
Subject: Post-Processing live DATs - two questions (see end)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:49:40 -0400 (EDT)
I'm looking for some general advice on how to clean up live DAT
recordings. I plan to distribute some of the items to friends on CDs, so
I'm going to be putting the audio on a PC for cleanup, tracking and
burning.
In particular, I've got some wonderful recordings of falcon ridge folk
festival from this past weekend. My best attempt so far (though the
musicians and sound staff did a fantastic job too, of course!). :)
As an aside, I've learned about all the pre-processing things:
Pre EQ Dos:
===========
o Monitor using isolating headphones.
o Find a good location. Location, location, location.
o Place your mics on a stable stand.
o Place your mics as high as reasonable at that location.
o Seat your louder friends as far away as possible.
o Have other people in your group aware of the sensitivity of the mics to
conversation (for themselves and the interventions with the inevitable
middle-of-song curious people who show up on your tarp asking about the
mic stand)
o Have attenuator cables (5db and 10db) at the ready for swapping in to
prevent brickwalling.
o Hope the people in the creaky aluminum lawn chairs nearby stop squirming
and take a nap.
Pre EQ Don'ts:
==============
o Scream too loudly.
o Kick the mic stand.
o Use zippers or velcro close by.
o Use the mic limiter as a compression circuit.
My questions, though, are on post processing. I can see myself performing
the following tasks (a couple for all recordings, the others for some of
the more problematic recordings):
o EQ (mostly low-low and mid-mid attenuation, some high-high enhancement)*
o Normalization
o Slight Compression (to raise some quiet sections up a bit)
o A few click and pop reductions (a case of a bad mic cable, which mostly
caused problems in between songs).
The last two are primarily to be "nice" to people's stereo equipment.
My questions are specifically:
1. What would the recommended order of steps be? Where best is defined as
"best output" based on both the reducing the effects of resampling errors
as well as allowing my ears to make the best decisions along the way.
2. Would it behoove me to work in the 32-bit domain if performing multiple
transformations or is 16-bit good enough?
-brendan
* I'm listening to some of the DATs on a Sony PCM-R500 hooked up to a
cheap sony all-in-one bookshelf stereo unit. The neat trick is that the
unit has some drop in "eq-profiles" instead of bass/mid/treble knobs. I
find that the "Sports" profile matches the EQ settings mentioned above,
odd but true. And it makes things sound great.
From: "Marc Nutter" <nutter@sonicsense.com>
Subject: Mid-Summer Sale at Sonic Sense
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:41:36 -0600
Hi All,
Here's just a quick note to let everyone know:
We have a nice collection of pre-owned microphones and pre-amps on sale
through Friday, August 2, 2002.
We will be closed for inventory and re-stocking the week of August 5-9,
2002.
We will re-open on August 14, 2002.
While we will have someone here receiving incoming packages, we will not
be able to answer phone calls or email.
Happy Recording Everybody,
Marc
Marc Nutter
Sonic Sense, Inc.
(303) 753-0201 or Toll-Free (877) 324-4463
2755 S. Gilpin St.
Denver, CO 80210
http://www.sonicsense.com
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From: "Nic Brokenleg" <nnbroken@sio.midco.net>
Subject: FS: Nak CM-700 mics (stealth version)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:54:42 -0500
Hey guys,
I have one pair of Nakamichi CM-700 microphones for sale w/ the CP-701 cardioid capsules. I bought
these brand new (made from parts) just over a year ago, and used them less than 10 times total.
They come with mic cables and a custom made battery pack for power.
I'm asking $800 plus shipping, though all reasonable offers will be considered.
I also have an extra pair of CP-701 capsules for sale for $150.
Thanks,
Nic
From: Scott.C.Brown.02@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Scott C. Brown 02)
Subject: seller alert --BEWARE
Reply-To: scb02@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG
Date: 31 Jul 2002 19:06:57 EDT
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