DAT-heads Digest #420, Volume #6 Wed, 7 Aug 02 08:50:01 EDT Contents: Gig's (mrdata1968@yahoo.com) PCM R-300 Rack Ears Needed (Keith Bode) Re: Sony PCM-2600 Pro Dat Deck ("Bill Gardner") No Hats Off to Stuart Whoever You Are!! (Levyrocks@aol.com) xtra DATs - trade for blanks ("Taraszki, Craig") FA : Sony D8, Low Hours (Jordan Shapiro) SBM1: Mic-in or Line-in with DPA4061's???? (Dav) Effects ("Candace Horgan") Effects ("Candace Horgan") Effects ("Candace Horgan") FS: Nak CM-700 CP-702 omni caps ("Nic Brokenleg") iso: jorma blue country shows.. (Nick Zuccaro) re WTB: portable dat deck ("gordon wilson") RiSiNG project: taping Springsteen (Norris Thomlinson) alpine valley show/ austin discussion ("taperroy") Subject: Austin Tobin's NON- involvement in cd show selling for profit (Pymnt@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mrdata1968@yahoo.com Subject: Gig's Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 22:27:55 +0200 Hi to you all, I'm looking for the following: Slayer live 11-11-'98, "Statenhal", Den Haag. Black Sabbath live 10-12-'99, "Ahoy", Rotterdam. Anyone out there who's having it? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ From: Keith Bode Subject: PCM R-300 Rack Ears Needed Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:19:06 -0700 Does anyone have a pair of Rack Ears for the R-300 they aren't using, and don't plan on usi.g, they wouldn't mind selling at a fair price? Sounds lie the formerly jammed tape and the prying to allow it's removal has caused the necessity of a Head Ailgnment. Keith -- Please check out http://www.wotwild.com for some great animal art and wall decorations. ------------------------------ From: "Bill Gardner" Subject: Re: Sony PCM-2600 Pro Dat Deck Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:37:49 -0600 > FS: Sony PCM-2600 Pro Dat Deck > - Low hours sat in studio most of its life > - Full pro deck. Balanced analog I/O, AES/EBU digital I/O, S/PDIF digital > i/o (rca, not optical). > - Some minor surface scratches from a move > - Professional, 4-motor transport, SBM (switchable) capability. > - Handles 90 meter tapes just fine > - Plays, records, etc w/ 00 00 00 error rates > $1875 was list back in the day. $1300 was pretty much the going rate back in > the day > > Unfortunately I do not have: > Remote > Manual > Orig. Packing Material > > Make me an offer. All email answered. > > Some glamor shots: > http://www.speakeasy.org/~bgard/PCM2600/ > Hi there, thought I'd speed this up a bit. $375 will take it. ------------------------------ From: Levyrocks@aol.com Subject: No Hats Off to Stuart Whoever You Are!! Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:39:08 EDT Hey I'd like to thank this Stuart kook for more exposure, and his imagination man Stephen King WATCH OUT!!! You got a guy here who could write a great horror novel about a horrible demon who runs an international bootleg ring that spans all the way from Key West to NYC with a multiple network of tapers feeding him precious recordings (spew like Moe give me a break kid), I mean I truly enjoy the heck out of his paranoia, Stu there are prescription drugs out there, that can cure this kind of condition, please seek help!! But hey dude the chronic your smoking I'll trade ya a big bag of shows for some of that cause it sure do cause you alot paranoid thought, now I would probably only need a hit or 2 at the most but you, you must be smoking the daggone stuff night and day!! But this pee-on besides I want to thank all the guys on the list who've done some real nice trades, Im going to attempt Petty/Browne this evening, I'll fuking tree the thing to the list if its good!! Everyone else thanks, alot of people know my situation and have been very kind, I wont mention any names here since Stu might tie them into a major conspricy. Stu I think theres a man by the name of George Bush Jr. like to enlist you in the FBI or something that way you could get paid for your paranoia!! Take care friends here wish me luck on Petty this evening - Yours Bill ------------------------------ From: "Taraszki, Craig" Subject: xtra DATs - trade for blanks Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:42:45 -0400 I would like to trade the following recorded DATs for some blank Sony DGP's of equal length (12x60m). Phil Lesh 10-13-00 (2x60m) tlm170>v2>adk 2-10-01 (2x60m) mk4>kc5>cmc6>v2>hhb 4-29-01(2x60m) cmc6/41>v2>ad2k Steve Kimock Band 11-30-00 (2x60m) tlm170>v2>adk 12-1-00 (2x60m) tlm170>v2>adk 12-2-00 (2x60m) tlm170>v2>adk ------------------------------ From: Jordan Shapiro Subject: FA : Sony D8, Low Hours Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 17:33:16 -0400 Hi folks, I'm selling my D8 DAT recorder to finance the purchase of an iBook and move permanatly to a 24bit solution! It's up on eBay right now if anyone's interested. Unit is in great condition and comes with 10 90m tapes, all unused! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=898228282 Thanks a ton! =) Jordan Shapiro | Jordan Shapiro | e: jordanshapiro@comcast.net | i: Sproufie | | We are only healthy to the extent that our ideas are humane. - Vonnegut | | http://www.jordanshapiro.net | ------------------------------ From: Dav Subject: SBM1: Mic-in or Line-in with DPA4061's???? Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:02:36 -0400 Hello DAT-heads, I recently acquired a SBM1 to go along with my DPA4061 mics and M1. The question I have is which setup will yield better results, mic-in or line-in? Since the DPA's have microdot connectors, I only have a microdot > XLR converter box that I was going to use with a Denecke DA20. Depending on whether I use mic-in or line-in, which converter box will I need to buy in order to use the mics with the SBM1? If it turns out that I will use mic-in, should I use the 20dB mic attentuator on the SBM1 to tape rock concerts? One last thing, anyone here have opinions as to which A/D converter is better between the SBM1 and Denecke's AD20? Thanks in advance! Dav ------------------------------ From: "Candace Horgan" Subject: Effects Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:23:12 -0600 Thomas wrote: Well, good point. I should have made it as well. I almost never normalize things. You'll get engineers going back and forth on it, but in general, the more destructive processing you do to your signal, the more things can go wrong. I NEVER EQ, unless the original is completely terrible. Compression is something I use sparingly, if at all. Sometimes, on folk rock tapes, where they have some really quiet stuff and some super loud stuff, I use the compressor in conjunction with the limiter. The thing on pop reductions is something I should have clarified. When synching multiple sources, I sometimes get pops while doing the alignment and levels, which I remove, mostly by using the volume meter and a little compression. Even then, sometimes you can get clicks on the new mix, and if they are few and far between, I'll often just use a marker tool to redraw the wave at the click point. But I prefer to do that to the original before building the master mix. And good point about getting good gear. A good DA converter and a nice pair of studio monitors helps loads. Cheers Candace ------------------------------ From: "Candace Horgan" Subject: Effects Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:24:36 -0600 Thomas wrote: Well, good point. I should have made it as well. I almost never normalize things. You'll get engineers going back and forth on it, but in general, the more destructive processing you do to your signal, the more things can go wrong. I NEVER EQ, unless the original is completely terrible. Compression is something I use sparingly, if at all. Sometimes, on folk rock tapes, where they have some really quiet stuff and some super loud stuff, I use the compressor in conjunction with the limiter. The thing on pop reductions is something I should have clarified. When synching multiple sources, I sometimes get pops while doing the alignment and levels, which I remove, mostly by using the volume meter and a little compression. Even then, sometimes you can get clicks on the new mix, and if they are few and far between, I'll often just use a marker tool to redraw the wave at the click point. But I prefer to do that to the original before building the master mix. And good point about getting good gear. A good DA converter and a nice pair of studio monitors helps loads. Cheers Candace ------------------------------ From: "Candace Horgan" Subject: Effects Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:24:31 -0600 Thomas wrote: Well, good point. I should have made it as well. I almost never normalize things. You'll get engineers going back and forth on it, but in general, the more destructive processing you do to your signal, the more things can go wrong. I NEVER EQ, unless the original is completely terrible. Compression is something I use sparingly, if at all. Sometimes, on folk rock tapes, where they have some really quiet stuff and some super loud stuff, I use the compressor in conjunction with the limiter. The thing on pop reductions is something I should have clarified. When synching multiple sources, I sometimes get pops while doing the alignment and levels, which I remove, mostly by using the volume meter and a little compression. Even then, sometimes you can get clicks on the new mix, and if they are few and far between, I'll often just use a marker tool to redraw the wave at the click point. But I prefer to do that to the original before building the master mix. And good point about getting good gear. A good DA converter and a nice pair of studio monitors helps loads. Cheers Candace ------------------------------ From: "Nic Brokenleg" Subject: FS: Nak CM-700 CP-702 omni caps Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:56:42 -0500 Hey guys, I have one pair of CP-702 omni capsules for Nakamichi CM-700 mics for sale. Please contact me if interested. Thanks, Nic ------------------------------ From: Nick Zuccaro Subject: iso: jorma blue country shows.. Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:03:12 -0700 (PDT) hey there, i tried to stealth the jorma show here in rochester a few weeks ago but the sony auto levels bit me (for the last time!) and all i got was a way distorted tape, i was wondering if anybody had better luck than me and would be willing to set up a trade, i have most of the sets from grey fox this year and a ton of other bluegrass/roots music to trade so drop me a line....thanks...Nick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "gordon wilson" Subject: re WTB: portable dat deck Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:36:13 -0400 >>>sony d8, works great. $950.00 plus shipping.>>> I really hope that is a joke. they are less than that new. Gordon "A fool and his money are soon parted. I would pay anyone a lot of money to explain that one to me." Homer J Simpson ------------------------------ From: Norris Thomlinson Subject: RiSiNG project: taping Springsteen Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Just another quick shout out to anyone who plans to tape upcoming shows, or to anyone who isn't a taper but is willing to help out by hanging out with tapers on the floor being relatively quiet. I've got a rough sketch of what's going on where at the project page: http://corrupt.net/~scrub/RiSiNG.html Drop me an email if you're interested in helping out, and feel free to pass this along to anyone else who might be interested. Norris No WOB at the moment, but once we start organizing the resulting tapes I'll post about distribution... ------------------------------ From: "taperroy" Subject: alpine valley show/ austin discussion Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:33:32 -0500 alpine: the static on the web cast might have been at the source,, there was a crackling coming from the top lefthand stack of speakers on top of the shell on sunday night. it was closer to the end of the show that it became really noticeable. (unrelated)about the selling of tapes... remember part of the information given on austin and his dad, included info that they use a variety of emails in their game..(oops.. i meant in "dad's" game) how much would you like to bet that these testimonials to austins good character, are nothing more than ghost email addresses, orginating from their house??? perhaps cutting off the source of live music to this family that includes an admitted bootleg seller is the best idea. seems a lack of morals and a multitude of dollar bills flying around that house, would be a pretty good reason to shut them down. even a one time sale is quite wrong, as he admits,, so lets help this man stay on the straight and narrow path, by limiting his access to temptation!! looking for tenacious d and john hartford trades...... taperroy bwt: t.d. st louis, mo 7-2001 dsb for the first interested person to respond that will reoffer to this list.. ------------------------------ From: Pymnt@aol.com Subject: Subject: Austin Tobin's NON- involvement in cd show selling for profit Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:21:10 -0400 =========2c0c6c7d26972f632c0c6c7d26972f63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline =========2c0c6c7d26972f632c0c6c7d26972f63 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Forwarded Msg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Forwarded Msg" Content-Description: Forwarded Msg Return-path: From: Pymnt Message-ID: <17a.c8e36e8.2a81e51a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:51:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time Subject: Subject: Austin Tobin's NON- involvement in cd show selling for profit To: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17a.c8e36e8.2a81e51a_boundary" --part1_17a.c8e36e8.2a81e51a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I was reading thru some posts the other day, I ran across Brown's post regarding The Tobin's (father and son) involvement in selling shows on Ebay for profit. I had to read this post 3-4 times. I was really upset at what I was reading. I have known both Mike and Austin for many years. I started trading DMB and U2 shows with Austin. Through this trading I became acquainted with Mike, and we have been trading ever since. Austin would bend over backwards to help anyone with trades, whether is would be a B&p, or just sending someone shows. I know that Austin had NO AWARENESS of what his father was doing, even though Austin was at home during senior year in high school. As other posts have stated - even though a son lives at home with his family, that doesn't mean that the son knows everything that the father is doing. Austin worked very hard to get into college. I know for a fact that there were several occasions that I wouldn't hear from Austin - primarily due to his academic work. Along with his school work, Austin has had to persevere some medical issues, which has made Austin - in my mind - a very hard working and dedicated young man. Even though Austin, along with hundreds of other people, has downloaded dozens and dozens of shows thru ftp servers, Further, and Direct Connect hubs, that doesn't mean that every show Austin downloaded his father burned himself a copy and tried selling. I know Austin was disappointed and saddened by these reports of Dad selling shows and that Austn HAD TO HAVE BEEN FULLY AWARE this was happening. On my reputation as a respectable trader and overall good human being - I am asking that Austin Tobin still be looked at as a great trader, friend, and person. Maybe father and son have or had some issues to work out at home, but that doesn't mean that everyone involved can't be forgiven, or even let these issues pass. Let me make 1 final point - "YES" the selling of live cds is illegal in the eyes of certain people/organizations. BUT, so is the secret stealthing of hundreds and hundreds of concerts across the U.S. and the world no matter if the artists/groups are rock, pop, country, bluegrass, folk, new age, etc. Maybe we all should look in the mirror after shows are stealthed, and ask if what he did was wrong. HELL - maybe that taper should just turn his DAT tape and recorder into security and say that he was wrong in taping this concert, even though the recording sounds great!!!! Sorry for rambling - I had a couple words to say. Chris Payment --part1_17a.c8e36e8.2a81e51a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I was reading thru some posts the other day, I ran across Brown's post regarding The Tobin's (father and son) involvement in selling shows on Ebay for profit. I had to read this post 3-4 times. I was really upset at what I was reading.
I have known both Mike and Austin for many years. I started trading DMB and U2 shows with Austin. Through this trading I became acquainted with Mike, and we have been trading ever since.
Austin would bend over backwards to help anyone with trades, whether is would be a B&p, or just sending someone shows. I know that Austin had NO AWARENESS of what his father was doing, even though Austin was at home during senior year in high school. As other posts have stated - even though a son lives at home with his family, that doesn't mean that the son knows everything that the father is doing. Austin worked very hard to get into college. I know for a fact that there were several occasions that I wouldn't hear from Austin - primarily due to his academic work. Along with his school work, Austin has had to persevere some medical issues, which has made Austin - in my mind - a very hard working and dedicated young man.
Even though Austin, along with hundreds of other people, has downloaded dozens and dozens of shows thru ftp servers, Further, and Direct Connect hubs, that doesn't mean that every show Austin downloaded his father burned himself a copy and tried selling. I know Austin was disappointed and saddened by these reports of Dad selling shows and that Austn HAD TO HAVE BEEN FULLY AWARE this was happening.
On my reputation as a respectable trader and overall good human being - I am asking that Austin Tobin still be looked at as a great trader, friend, and person. Maybe father and son have or had some issues to work out at home, but that doesn't mean that everyone involved can't be forgiven, or even let these issues pass.
Let me make 1 final point - "YES" the selling of live cds is illegal in the eyes of certain people/organizations. BUT, so is the secret stealthing of hundreds and hundreds of concerts across the U.S. and the world no matter if the artists/groups are rock, pop, country, bluegrass, folk, new age, etc. Maybe we all should look in the mirror after shows are stealthed, and ask if what he did was wrong. HELL - maybe that taper should just turn his DAT tape and recorder into security and say that he was wrong in taping this concert, even though the recording sounds great!!!!
Sorry for rambling - I had a couple words to say.

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