DAT-heads Digest #427
Contents:
Iso: Alpine Terrapin station ("alf")
more aerosmith tix 4 sale ("Hayden Berard")
TO ALL DAT TAPERS HELP!! part 2 ("Axl 2076")
RE: TO ALL DAT TAPERS HELP!! ("John Cocci")
Blue Indian ("DRider")
ISO recent White Stripes! (TRANEHEAD@aol.com)
ISO primal scream BBC etc. (TRANEHEAD@aol.com)
please tape CORNELIUS! (TRANEHEAD@aol.com)
I saw you.... ("Zach")
Austin Music Festival Update ("Jason")
ISO: "Grateful Dead Reunion Shows" (Jonathan Lerman)
taped sonic youth / bardo pond ("slowdivingblue .")
Help with 80's Mic Info (Dan Gale)
sp? ("Matt C.")
Re: Jorma Stealth Taping (Keith Bode)
Re: Stealth Taping Jorma (Keith Bode)
FS New Active Sony DA10P 7pin-coax cables (Spyro Bouras)
iso a clean DMB 7/11/02 ("gordon wilson")
OKMIIR: which preamp? ("Javi Dieguez")
seeking Phil shows... (Bill Pannifer)
seeking Phil shows... (Bill Pannifer)
OT: can defragmenting your harddrive alter/damage SHN or WAVs? (Darren)
ISO:Alpine Second Stage & Spoken Word ("Winnie Olmer")
From: "alf" <md2001@mclink.it>
Subject: Iso: Alpine Terrapin station
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:17:15 +0200
as subject, can take DATS or CDR,
DAUD HQ mics , also the Fm if came out nice w/out statics
Have a Huge list
Alfredo
From: "Hayden Berard" <DMBHDB@hotmail.com>
Subject: more aerosmith tix 4 sale
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:15:47 -0400
I also have a set of 2 tickets for Aerosmith/Kid Rock/Run DMC show
at Hartford Meadows. 9/5/02 section 400. I'm looking for face.
I can't make it so I may take a loss and sell for less. Email me.
Hayden
DMBHDB@hotmail.com
From: "Axl 2076" <axl2076@hotmail.com>
Subject: TO ALL DAT TAPERS HELP!! part 2
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:51:43 -0400
Hello Everyone,
Thanks to all those who wrote me and gave me info about my problem with
concerts that last over 2 hours. I think I'm going to take the advice many
of you gave and Record at 44.1k to avoid sample rate conversion when I
transfer to CDR and use 3 hour tapes (Sony DDS tapes DG90P from American
Digital at $2.09ea.) That seems like a way better price than what I was
paying for standard 2 hour Sony DAT Audio Tapes at $6ea.
The only thing now is I'd like to hear from some of you guys out there who
have used these 3 hour tapes in your Portable DAT decks. I've heard that
some people have blamed these long tapes for ruining their decks. And these
tapes have been known to stretch and become unplayable after some use.
Anyone who has something to say about this please let me know.
I think I might be safe though, if I only use these tapes when I do believe
a concert may go over 2 hours and that if I retention the tape once prior to
recording, Rewind it after the show, play it once back during the transfer
to CDR, then Rewind it again to the beginning to store away and hope that I
won't need it again since I've made a CDR, this should be fine I think and
not put too much wear on the tape or deck.
Open to any suggestions or info any of you may have about these 3 hour tapes
or recording shows over 2 hours.
Thanks again everyone!
Subject: TO ALL DAT TAPERS HELP!!
>
>Hello Everyone,
>
>I have a question for everyone who tapes Live shows using DAT. I have a
>Sony TCD-D100 and a lot of you are probably going to write me and tell me
>I've been doing it all wrong, but I've been stuck into using the 32K (Long
>play / 4 hours of tape on a 120min) when recording because I don't know if
>the concert is going to last over 2 hours and I don't feel comfortable with
>having to switch tapes during a show and possibly missing one of my
>favorite songs.
>
>Many of you probably want to know if I plan to just keep these as DATs,
>well, probably not, eventually they will be transferred to CDR, but you
>guessed it, only after I get one of those Marantz Professional CD Recorders
>that will allow Sample Rate Conversion and No SCMS copy protection. I'm
>not interested in using my computer to transfer DATs to CDR. I'd probably
>have to buy a whole new computer anyway to do this since the one I have now
>is a bit outdated. I'm just going to stick with Home Audio CD recorders
>and DAT decks for now.
>
>Like I said, many of you are probably going to criticize me for using the
>slower speed instead of 44.1K or 48K, But I'd like to hear any suggestions
>some of you may have. What do you guys out there do when your not sure as
>too how long a show might be?? Do you risk it and just be ready to switch
>tapes anytime you can?? Or are there more of you out there than I think
>who also use 32K just so you don't have to risk switching the tape in the
>middle of the show and losing a song because you had to switch tapes? And
>what do some of you do if you know for sure that a show is going to last
>over 2 hours?
>
>Thanks Everyone!
>
>
>
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From: "John Cocci" <jcocci@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: TO ALL DAT TAPERS HELP!!
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:52:36 -0700
>Like I said, many of you are probably going to criticize me for using
the
>slower speed instead of 44.1K or 48K, But I'd like to hear any
suggestions
>some of you may have. What do you guys out there do when your not sure
as
>too how long a show might be?? Do you risk it and just be ready to
switch
>tapes anytime you can?? Or are there more of you out there than I
think >who also use 32K just so you don't have to risk switching the
tape in the >middle of the show and losing a song because you had to
switch tapes? And >what do some of you do if you know for sure that a
show is going to last >over 2 hours?
Well, how about 3 hours tapes?
Or if you won't use 3 hour tapes, just switch tapes between songs the
tape starts getting close to the 2 hour mark. Using 32k is not
recommended because there is compression involved nor accepted as a
"standard" in CD trading. If these CDs are just for yourself, then go
right ahead and do what works best for you.
John
From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@attbi.com>
Subject: Blue Indian
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:16:09 -0400
Blue Indian
Oh, Mikey left his chair like he's still sittin' there
Once I almost saw him make his move
Brave Indian who never changes his mood
In a painting on the wall right there
Oh, how long 'til the morning wakes
Oh, how long 'til the medicine takes
Oh, Sally buffalo in the apartment just below
Just a bein' without a care
Oh, children from my brood they come and bring me food
Maybe open up a window for air
Oh, just now I smell the cornbread bake
Oh, now, now, now I feel the medicine take
Just like home
Where the stray dogs go through it all
Still right here, still just here,
Brave little friend
Well, we got a party goin' on many spirits strong
Ain't preacher just a happy to meet ya
Half a bottle 'neath the bed keep our spirits fed
My hat's off to you, to you and you
And now our brave friends, too, dancing circles through the room
And a broom and a radio and a twistin out a dos-e-do
Brand new day, the whole world's goin'
Whole room's goin' so
Just now, don't hesitate (hesitate)
Oh, taste the morning break (morning break)
Sweet, sweet, young honeycomb (honeycomb)
On, now, now, now just like home (just like home)
Oh, just like, just like home
Where the stray dogs go
Oh, oh, rest my bones
Like a fresh skipped stone to it all
Still right here, still just here,
Still just here, brave, brave friend
Rest In Peace Michael Houser
We all love you and you will live forever in our hearts
Peace,
Darrin
From: TRANEHEAD@aol.com
Subject: ISO recent White Stripes!
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:10:55 EDT
just looking for any of the shows from this month with the strokes, and maybe
the end of the last tour. also any pre 2000 shows. MANY to trade.
thanks.
GG
From: TRANEHEAD@aol.com
Subject: ISO primal scream BBC etc.
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:16:20 EDT
anyone tape this (T in the park show) ?? also looking for BBC tapes of recent
glastonbury/sonar and other festivals!
thanks,
geoff
From: TRANEHEAD@aol.com
Subject: please tape CORNELIUS!
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:18:27 EDT
just a heads up for any of you puffy ami yumi etc. fans. Cornelius is doing a
short tour of the states this month and he is definately worth seeing and of
course...TAPING!
arigato!
GG
From: "Zach" <zach@funkytulip.com>
Subject: I saw you....
Reply-To: <zach@funkytulip.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:49:07 -0600
Me and the old lady were watching the PBS bluegrass special last
night. At the end of the show, they pan over parts of the crowd
applauding....
hmmm....there's someone doing the "taper clap" with a hat on
looking quite suspicious....
I saw you, and now I'd like a copy ;-)
Zach
From: "Jason" <admin@groove-salad.com>
Subject: Austin Music Festival Update
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:56:41 -0500
Austin Music Festival has added more shows. I've updated this on my site.
If you're a taper and going to be at the festival taping, use the following
form to submit who you are taping and to find out who is taping what.
To submit your taping info
http://www.groove-salad.com/server/acl.html
To view current ACL tapers
http://www.groove-salad.com/server/acltapers.html
Jason
AIM: Chum Kui
http://www.groove-salad.com
http://db.etree.org/groove_salad
From: BabyPrite@webtv.net (Jonathan Lerman)
Subject: ISO: "Grateful Dead Reunion Shows"
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:51:36 -0400 (EDT)
Seeking DSBDS or high quality DAUDS of the recent Alpine Valley shows on
DAT. Many high quality tapes to swap, or B+P. Thanks, Jon
From: "slowdivingblue ." <slowdivingblue@hotmail.com>
Subject: taped sonic youth / bardo pond
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 05:54:24 +0000
I taped Bardo Pond & Sonic Youth 8.10.02 dpa4061 (taped against left stack)
> d8. Very nice recording. I am looking for other HQ cdrs/dats from both
artists and others – your list gets mine.
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From: Dan Gale <dgale@loslobos.org>
Subject: Help with 80's Mic Info
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:54:52 -0700
I'm hoping some folks out there who were around the GD taping scene in
the mid 80's can help me identify some taping gear I patched out of a
few times. I'm in the process of transfering some of my analog masters
and sadly wasn't always very good about keeping track of the recording
gear I plugged into back then. In particular, I'm transfering some
shows from a rig I remember well but don't know any of the specifics of
what it was. The mics were each mounted on flat ~8-10" diameter
plexiglass discs. The mics themselves were always in a homemade silk
windscreen when I remember them (always outdoors obviously) so I don't
know the exact shape/appearance of the capsules but the overall
size/shape was about the diameter of a 50 cent piece and about 1/2"
thick. If I remember correctly, the each mic was attached to a cable
with some sort of RF connector through the back of the plexiglass discs.
I don't recall any specifics on the rest of their gear and can't
remember the guy's name who ran them, although I know he was always
around west coast GD shows in the mid 80's. Specific show I remember
patching into this rig are:
8/24/85 Boreal Ridge (we ran FOB, halfway from Sbd to stage on a stand
and never got hassled)
9/7/86 Ranch Rock - Pyramid Lake NV (w/Kingfish, Robert Hunter, John
Cipollina and Mickey Hart)
6/27-28/85 Lindley Meadow , Golden Gate Park, SF (free show w/John Lee
Hooker, Jessie Colin Young, KBC Band etc.)
I know this rig was at many more shows then this but I definitely
remember these shows in particular. Please contact me if you can help
with the source info for this rig. Once I get all this straight I'll
get some of this stuff out to the masses. Thanks in advance for any
help folks can offer.
From: "Matt C." <Snakebite@nyloose.com>
Subject: sp?
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:57:10 -0700
anyone else's sound pros sound this muddy? it was an outdoor show, but still....
http://www.nyloose.com/satch.mp3
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From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Jorma Stealth Taping
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:54:35 -0700
"If Jorma is okay with people taping him, and he's aware of his record
contract terms and status but still says he's okay with people taping,
than what harm is being done? Jorma probably realizes he will not be a
big recording star again, nor will he likely sell out 15,000 seat venues
on his own. However, by having people tape him and spread his music
around he makes sure he can continue to earn a living doing what he
likes to do, which is play live. And his live performances will
contribute to his album sales. I saw him open for Phil Lesh twice this
summer, and based on the excellent material he played I've gone out and
bought his latest album.
I also have tapes of the performances I saw (which, btw, were done with
his full permission as all the shows were open taping).
If a performer is okay with people taping, and in fact encourages it,
who are we to tell him people shouldn't tape him?"
So, we should do anything people will say under the table "it's OK" and
not consider wether what is in the individuals best interest?
I think the argument that Stealth Tapes creates fans is total BS. I
would be willing to bet that playing his Columbia release woould be
more likely to convert a non fan into a fan than a Stealth Tape.
Personally, I did not engage in an Analog trading, because I heard a few
tapes, and I was appalled by the sound quality of what was circulating.
I never got any Dead shows except comercial releases from 1967 to 1999.
I still went to plenty of shows. Same thing with Hot Tuna, or any of
Jorma's other releases. I thing the argument that playing a Stealth
recorded, or even an Aud recording is the last thing I would think of
doing to convert an indivdual to a fan. Listening to an AUD, for me
anyway, was something I had to learn to apprecciate. I certainly didn't
enjoy the first AUD I listened to, and a lot more after that. There are
still alot of AUDS that just suck. I had to get used to it.
Use all the rationalizations and justifications you choose. The bottom
line is "Is what you do more likely to hurt or help Jorma, in spite of
what he wants?"
I went to see Jorma this year, because I wanted to see Jorma. I saw
Phil, too, front row seats too. After seeing both, if Jorma was opening
for Phil, it would decrease the likelyhood of my seeing him. I bought
Jorma's CD, because I planned to buy it, once I read about what he was
doing, not because he was a good opening act. I think with the
arguments you have expressed here, take people to see Phil. If you want
to justify doing what you want, it makes me aggravated that people are
so selfish as to not care about the mans welfare, not just you, but
hundreds more Stealthing Jorma also. Why don't you find out from a
Columbia exec how they feel about Jorma encouraging Stealth taping under
the table?
Keith
Keith
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From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Stealth Taping Jorma
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:58:25 -0700
BTW, how does taping Jorma, in a concert where taping is allowed relate
to Stealth Taping? It doesn't, so why bring it up in a discussion of
Stealth Taping?
Keith
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From: Spyro Bouras <spyro@senet.com.au>
Subject: FS New Active Sony DA10P 7pin-coax cables
Reply-To: spyro@senet.com.au
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:03:27 +0930
Get in touch if interested.
Spyro
From: "gordon wilson" <gordonlw@mindspring.com>
Subject: iso a clean DMB 7/11/02
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:54:20 -0400
I have the neumann 140>v2>ad2k>i book etc.... sounds great but.... at the
end of what your are there is some horrible noise. it is NOT digi noise. all
I can figure is it is from the laptop rig. please if someone can help me
out...many points for me with a hottie that was there,,,,
Gordon
"A fool and his money are soon parted. I would pay anyone a lot of money to
explain that one to me."
Homer J Simpson
From: "Javi Dieguez" <jdieguez@wanadoo.es>
Subject: OKMIIR: which preamp?
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:33:50 +0200
I have been using OKMIIR mics for a year and
i'm not fully satisfied with the included A3 adaptor.
The bass roll off filter cuts too much bass and the bass
distorts if it's too loud (not sure if it's because of the
A3 or the mics themselves though).
I would like some feedback from other OKMIIR users
who have upgraded to other preamps. Which one do
you recommend??
Thanks!
Javi
From: Bill Pannifer <billpannifer@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: seeking Phil shows...
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:10:14 +0100
I'm looking for auds of the following...
Phil and Friends
New Orleans 4th May 2002 evening show, 5th May Fairgrounds
Ratdog 5th May Fairgrounds
Phil and Friends/ Hunter
Merriweather Post 21st July 02
any help appreciated. dat or cd
interesting London shows to trade.
Bill
http://www.eyesoftheworld.co.uk
From: Bill Pannifer <billpannifer@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: seeking Phil shows...
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:26:02 +0100
I'm looking for auds of the following...
Phil and Friends
New Orleans 4th May 2002 evening show, 5th May Fairgrounds
Ratdog 5th May Fairgrounds
Phil and Friends/ Hunter
Merriweather Post 21st July 02
any help appreciated. dat or cd
interesting London shows to trade.
Bill
http://www.eyesoftheworld.co.uk
From: Darren <dnemeth01@sprynet.com>
Subject: OT: can defragmenting your harddrive alter/damage SHN or WAVs?
Reply-To: dnemeth01@sprynet.com
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:30:29 -0400
Hello,
I just recently defragmented my harddrive and have about 12 shows on
my HD. Many are raw WAV files and some are SHNs.
Does defragmenting my HD cause me to have files that have errors in
them? Will I have any sound files that have been altered?
Nothing irreplacable is on my HD but I need to know if I should just
re-rip some discs and make new transfers from my MDs.
Thanks in advance.
Have a nice day, :)
Darren Nemeth
dnemeth01@sprynet.com
Owner of "Giant Squid Audio Lab" - Specialists in durable, high
fidelity Binaural / Stereo and Mono miniature microphones
for discriminating DAT and Mini Disc recording enthusiasts.
http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/
From: "Winnie Olmer" <who@sover.net>
Subject: ISO:Alpine Second Stage & Spoken Word
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:29:54 -0400
I have all the main stage stuff. I would LOVE to do a trade for second stage
sets. And if anyone has anything from the spoken word tent.. please get in
touch. Link to my list is below. I have Warren second stage on the way.
My list doesn't show it but I also have Gathering Of The Vibes sets as well
as PL&F, Micky and Hunter from Darien Lake, Tweeter in Mansfield a
Meadows,Hartford shows.
Thanks!!
Winnie
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never come true"-Garcia/Hunter
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