DAT-heads Digest #434, Volume #6 Sat, 17 Aug 02 19:50:01 EDT Contents: ISO:Phil&Friends 6-30-02,7-3-02 ("Jason Smith") Red Rocks still has my car from 8-09-02 (fuzzy cableguy) Mailing CD's (Keith Bode) re: messed up trade, nasty e mail ("gordon wilson") Anyone taped Hope Sandoval (joe jimenez) Morrissey 2002 ("Catterall, Stephen \(London\)") recent blondie shows (Stonecutter15@aol.com) ISO - FM's of the Other Ones Alpine (DAVEDARC@aol.com) Audio Capable DAT Drives - $80 shipped (audiocapable@earthlink.net) JJ Cale ...NOT taper friendly ("Ethan ALpert") Mailing CDs protocol ("DRider") re: Mailing CDs protocol ("Slipkid") Taping Policy: The Dudes and The Radiators? ("Steve") DAT to DVD, is it digitally possible now? ("Enrico Perissinotto") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Smith" Subject: ISO:Phil&Friends 6-30-02,7-3-02 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:20:46 -0400 HI, Looking for the DTE Music(pine knob) and the Riverbend shows. Would like to get the allmans sets as well if anyone did them. Lots to trade Thanks Jason ------------------------------ From: fuzzy cableguy Subject: Red Rocks still has my car from 8-09-02 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Blow engine in Denver on the way east, is there anyone out there that knows of a trailer coming this way (IA) fuzzycableguy@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ From: Keith Bode Subject: Mailing CD's Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:57:02 -0700 I always put CD's in sleves. I usually try to use tyvek CD envelopes with bubble padded pouches, just because ever since I got started trading, the bubble mailers are the standard most widely used. On the other hand, I get a fair number of DVD's from Netflix, and they mail DVD's in a thin envelope inside a thin paper envelope. I don't know what is best, ther than I have read the best material to store CD's in is Tyvek, it is the least likely to scratch the surface. If I did a trade with someone who put 3 CD's inside of one cardboard mailer, or even 1 CD, I know that would be the last trade i did with them. Keith ------------------------------ From: "gordon wilson" Subject: re: messed up trade, nasty e mail Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:45:50 -0400 I'm sorry to post again to the group about this. My email was not nasty. I did not lecture you. If there was any attitude in the email it was about the disc being TAO. I did not bitch about the wrong disc. all I said was "they are mislabeled it has a song from the new album on it." Look at my post. I said I didn't really care that they were wrong, I can figure out what they are. Hell we are talking about live Steely Dan....I'll take what I can get!! But they are TAO!! Please explain to me how that was so nasty. I got a lot of responses and all of them agreed with me that I was not out of line. Hell a few of them knew I was talking about you without using your name! Seems I'm not the first person to have a shitty trade with you. I've been trading for years and this is the first time something like this has happened to me. I'm glad something told me not to send your end till I checked the disc you sent me. By the way. the disc won't fit in my ass.... Gordon "A fool and his money are soon parted. I would pay anyone a lot of money to explain that one to me." Homer J Simpson ------------------------------ From: joe jimenez Subject: Anyone taped Hope Sandoval Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 02:11:34 -0700 (PDT) just wondering if anyone taped Hope sandoval Aug 14, Los Angeles, CA El Rey Theater if you did plz contact me asap .. looking for a DAT recording of it ... the things you do for your girlfriend . lol __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ From: "Catterall, Stephen \(London\)" Subject: Morrissey 2002 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:54:38 +0100 I'm looking for anyone who has recorded or is going to record any of the current Morrissey tour. I've got loads of Smiths/Morrissey stuff to trade ... plus load of other bands. Please get in touch if you can help Steve http://www.geocities.com/pebloid/ ------------------------------ From: Stonecutter15@aol.com Subject: recent blondie shows Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:58:25 EDT hi everyone, i'm looking for a least one solid recent blondie recording from their recent tour. i have tons of lots of diff artists to offer. audio and video. if you have something and would like to set up a trade,would love to hear from you. thanks rich b. ------------------------------ From: DAVEDARC@aol.com Subject: ISO - FM's of the Other Ones Alpine Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:12:18 EDT Salutations.... Anyone have a copy of the FM broadcasts of the O1's shows from the Terrapin Weekend at Alpine? I believe it was broadcast on 93.1 out of Chicago. Would also take the web broadcasts if anyone has those. 1800 hours to trade including B-Roo, WSP last show with Mikey, Rush 02, etc,... Please e-mail off line for my list. Cheers, Dave ------------------------------ From: audiocapable@earthlink.net Subject: Audio Capable DAT Drives - $80 shipped Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:27:12 -0400 These DDS-2 tape drives can read and write audio DATs. They have been sold as Archive/Conner/Seagate drives with the model names of Python 4326/CTD8000/Peregrine. They come with mounting rails and a faceplate that result in a 5 1/4 inch form factor for mounting in a standard drive bay. They are SCSI drives with the older 50-pin interface. These drives are used but are in working condition. They have the 01931-XXX 5AC firmware, which allows them to read and write audio DATS at more than double speed using the dat2wav or vdat packages. They are excellent for getting audio from a DAT onto your hard drive, with .wav files broken up by start ID, a perfect solution for converting to CD-R. Because they operate at double speed, they are also excellent for cloning. Price of $80 includes insured shipping in the continental U.S. by UPS Ground or equivalent. If you are elsewhere or prefer another mode of shipping, please inquire. Payment by PayPal, postal money order or cashier's check. Email audiocapable@earthlink.net with questions or orders. ------------------------------ From: "Ethan ALpert" Subject: JJ Cale ...NOT taper friendly Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:58:09 -0700 Well I went to the show and was denied. JJ Cale does not allow taping. -e ------------------------------ From: "DRider" Subject: Mailing CDs protocol Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:05:13 -0400 Hey Now! Seems like there are numerous methods that are acceptable. After trading discs for a while, a person gathers a variety of sleeves. There's the plain paper sleeves with or without a clear window and Tyvek sleeves w/ the same layout. Then there are the Case Logic type of sleeves that appear to be cut out of the pouch carrying case that a person would take in the car. These seem to be the most popular. Some of the Case Logic type sleeves are designed to hold 2 discs, one on each side. The first one always goes in nice and smooth, but the second one is a much tighter fit. So a little more care should be used in putting it in and taking it out. (Sorry, those are the best words I could think of....") These CD-R's are not as durable as a commercial store bought Compact Disc. For example, the Widespread Panic release - "Don't Tell The Band"..... A practice that I have seen a few times that has resulted in damage to the discs is the placement of 2 or 3 discs right next to each other (Back to front) all crammed in one single sleeve. The average show usually takes 3 discs. This would be like taking 3 discs right off of the spindle and sliding them in a sleeve to become a 3 disc sandwich. Every time someone has done this to discs that they sent me, at least one disc arrives w/ a bad scratch if not all 3. It has been my experience that there needs to be a barrier between each disc. If you use the paper or Tyvek sleeves w/ the plastic clear window, it may be a good idea to place a small piece of paper between the window and the disc. This is especially true in the summer time when temperatures are much higher and the disc surface can *stick* to the window w/ potential damage resulting. The recorded surface should not be right up against the top of another disc or up against the recorded surface of another disc.... or any *hard* surface really..... I suppose if a person was hand delivering discs to a friend that they were meeting in person, this might be just fine. But if the discs are going out in the mail, it's just silly to think that the discs will arrive in the condition they were in when they left your hand. These packages get tossed like Frisbees into bins. They go though mail sorting systems that need some type of friction to slide them from point A to point B. "Crunch!" I try to practice the concept of "give what you want to get". I try to use the sleeves in the manner they were designed and not try to cut corners or skimp. A single disc per paper or Tyvek sleeve or one on each side of a Case Logic sleeve that was designed for that purpose.... as long as it's an easy fit. I don't try to force 2 discs in. If one fits well, but 2 is too much, I use another separate sleeve. Seems like common sense...... A person does not "have to" use this setup. I got some discs the other day that had been put in plain notebook paper. There were 4 of them and there was a page or 2 between each of them. They were folded in a way that kept the discs from sliding around inside and then taped w/ plane old Scotch tape on the edges to keep them from sliding out. A little care had to be used opening them, but they were just fine. If a person uses a bubble padded shipping envelope to send these discs which is the standard and preferred method used by most folks...... there is a size that works perfectly for discs. If this is the size you have on hand, you are good to go. If you only have very large bubble padded shipping envelopes, you can cut them down to fit and maybe even get 2 or more packages out of one padded shipper. If it's just a size or 2 too big, you could put a rubber band around the discs to keep them all together, rather than sliding all around inside for the trip. This pertains to the paper or Tyvek sleeves more than the Case Logic sleeves..... A disc or 2 or 3 in a cardboard sandwich w/ NO padding is asking for trouble. Especially, if the discs are in direct contact w/ each other. A person sent me discs this way once and one of them was cracked. He sent the replacement disc the same way and it was scratched. He sent the 3rd one in a paper sleeve inside a bubble shipping envelope and it was fine. This was frustrating for both of us and not the way either one of us wanted things to go. Fortunately, he is a reasonable fellow and we have become friends. We both chalked it up as a *learning* experience and moved on. But in some instances if this were the way your first trade went w/ someone, you would not want to trade w/ them again..... I am trying to visualize the setup that Todd mentions in his post, but it seems fine. If that is how the setup was designed to be used and no one has received damaged discs as a result.... The acid is good!! If the discs arrive in good condition and damage free, why complain just because you did not like the packaging.....??? If it was *pure luck* that the discs arrived damage free and you setup another trade w/ that person in the future, it's completely fine to request the discs to be sent in a safer more reasonable manner. But it's also that person's right to tell you to take a hike. In this case, you may want to exercise the "once is not always" motto and find another person w/ the show to trade with........ If you go to a restaurant once and the food sucks, you don't go back......Right?? Same idea....... It's like a first date. If things go well, maybe a second date would be cool. If not, it's time to move on. Everyone has their own system. Sometimes discs get damaged. If a person takes some pride in how they send stuff along w/ some common sense, there should be no problem. That said, it's best to be receptive to the fact that this media is *fragile*. If the discs that you send get damaged in route for *whatever reason*, it's best to just burn the person a new set and mail them out. These items don't cost alot and it's just not worth getting all freaked over. It certainly is not worth a flame war or losing a friend. A good trader prides themselves in sending items in a manner that will make it safely to their destination. As far as mailing DATs...... There are STILL folks out there using the fiber padded shipping envelopes for DATs. This is NOT a good practice! Throw those fiber padded shipping envelopes away!! Stick to bubble padded shipping envelopes. This link makes some people laugh. I attach it to every B&P offer when I send out my instructions. http://www.mcnichol.com/bnp/ If you have *not* seen this link, take a few minutes and look at it. There are great *DOs* and *DON'Ts* that can be applied to the shipping of many items. If someone is kind enough to do a B&P, you should take the time to send them a package worthy of being called a B&P. On January 2, 2003 - Hampton Comes Alive! Peace, D-Rider ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Todd Bainbridge Subject: Mailing CDs protocol Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:23:03 -0400 Hi, The message below got me wondering.... ------------------------------ From: "Slipkid" Subject: re: Mailing CDs protocol Reply-To: "Slipkid" Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:29:34 -0400 todd wrote: >I recently had a slew of CD trades, and one person grumbled that "the cds >weren't in protective sleeves". Well, duh, No they weren't. The protective >CD mailer with soft material inside and no room for movement between discs >should not require that. > >Anyway, I was wondering what the general protocol was. I know I usually >receive discs in a bubble mailer with sleeves, but my feeling is that it's >more common just because it's less expensive than a CD mailer, not because >it's better for any reason. > >Thoughts? there's probably alot of opinions about this, here's my 2 cents: - i would still at least put the discs in an inner envelope inside the mailer to avoid potential scratches, especially if opened at the post office for some reason, or if they fall out of out the package en route or whatever (always put a note inside with either your address or the destination's in case this happens, i've had this save a few trades btw)....at least if they are wrapped internally there's some hope they will survive mishaps - always keep the discs seperated in the mailer, even if only with a piece of paper between each one, ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMER...if you don't, the discs could get soft in the summer heat in transit and end up arriving at their destination MELTED TOGETHER!!!!!!!! one factor in this is people (like me) who have community mailboxes that are basically EZBAKEOVENs with seperate trays for each house...with the temperatures running into the high 90s around here lately, i bet those things reach well over 130 degrees sitting in the open sunshine over the years i've had about a dozen CD-R trades ruined because people jam discs touching together in the mailer...this has happened not only to me with my EZBAKEMAILBOX, but also to several people i know who have shaded mailboxes - so the heat problem could happen en route rather than in your own mailbox keeping the discs from touching will avoids the problem in my experience - the discs may soften but no chemical/physical reaction takes place, and the discs survive - but once they are stuck together, they are usually impossible to seperate without ruining the discs, the layers just peel off all over earlier this year someone sent 5 or 6 discs in the SAME inner envelope meant for ONE disc, and the result was a major trade meltdown which caused me to lose my own cool & i ranted at the guy who sent them to me (i should apologize to that guy for that but it really pissed me off...i look at it that my rant was in exchange for asking him to NOT redo the discs...he contacts ME for a trade yet doesn't read my own trade guidelines that specifically mention this problem in BIG RED LETTERS? see below) - if you're doing a trade with someone and you are the one asking them to trade with you, take the time to read their trading guidelines...if they want discs sent in seperate envelopes, no writing on the discs, no post-it notes stuck on them gumming them up, or whatever, try to honor their guidelines....i have less than zero tolerance anymore for getting stuff in trades sent in jiffy bags covered in the jiffy "dust" because they didn't put the stuff in an inner bag (this is a major problem with tapes btw), discs with fingerprints all over them, discs melted together, TAO recordings, discs written on in pencil (yes i've actually had this!), etc....situations that could be avoided if people trading with me bothered to read my guidelines like i said, just my 2 cents (or maybe a nickel's worth, sorry for long post) - jon - ------------------------------ From: "Steve" Subject: Taping Policy: The Dudes and The Radiators? Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:43:55 -0400 Hello, Can anyone tell me if these bands allow taping? Also, is there A current listing of bands/performers that allow taping? Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ From: "Enrico Perissinotto" Subject: DAT to DVD, is it digitally possible now? Reply-To: "Enrico Perissinotto" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 01:16:03 +0200 Hello, I want to ask this forum if it is now finally somehow possible to digitally transfer our beloved concerts ftom DAT to DVD. I always avoided like hell CDrs mainly because of a) less minutes per media (up to 186 minutes vs. 80) b) loss of quality when the transfer is from 48 to 44kHz (I have many master DSBDs) but I now believe that, despite I never had a problem, it is time to think to backup all my tapes. I see now that there are on the market quite a few DVD that can also record like Philips, Panasonic and Pioneer, just to name a few, but apparently none of them has a Digital input. Does anybody therefore know: 1) is it perhaps already possible to make the digital DAT to DVD transfer maybe on computer, with the help of some special soundcard, program or similar? If yes, which are the components and the recordable frequences ( I understand 96 kHz is the standard for DVD, but before seeing one day appearing on the lists on Internet the GD concerts directly from Reel to DVD I guess I better do by myself and stay with 48 kHz...), what is the result? 2) is anybody aware of the future release of any end-user recordable DVD with digital inputs, for audio purpose at least? 3) BTW, what is the maximum theoretical length, in terms of recordable minutes, that can be put on one single DVD disc? How much does it cost now one single DVDr disc? Any answer and suggestion is highly appreciated. Regards, Enrico ======================================================================= DAT list at www.pemo.com/Enrico_DAT.htm but no trades for one more month at least ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************