DAT-heads Digest #435
Contents:
Re: mailing cd-r's (Philip Smoker)
ISO:TOO-Alpine (augwest)
Re: recent blondie shows (Darren)
JIMMY BUFFET (CCFLAMEWORKS@webtv.net)
ALPINE VALLEY OTHER ONES (CCFLAMEWORKS@webtv.net)
ISO hall&oates/todd tour (GaoBest@aol.com)
RE: DAT-heads Digest #433 ("Hance, Bill")
Re: Taping Policy- The Dudes and The Radz (Jay Lyons)
*iso GD 07-09-1989* (Steven Kingsley)
Re: Misloads & sony's ("Stanley W. Smith")
Sample Rate Conversion - Prodif 32/Soundforge (John)
Trading Etiquette (Tom Cavanaugh)
GUNS N' ROSES Summer Sonic 2002 Live ("Tommy")
Re: GUNS N' ROSES Summer Sonic 2002 Live ("Matt C.")
B&P Offer -- Norah Jones 6-23-02 Bonnaroo (pwking)
ISO large-ish CDr trades (pwking)
My Tascam 302 up for sale (CCage@aol.com)
From: Philip Smoker <psmoker43@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: mailing cd-r's
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:27:20 -0700 (PDT)
Hi, all.
I use a relatively inexpensive method for mailing
cd-r's that I picked up from a good friend of mine. I
place the discs in a small ziplock sandwich baggie
with a piece of scrap paper the size of a cd-r between
each disc. I've never had a problem or complaint from
using this method, and a baggy is cheaper and lighter
than numerous disc sleeves. The baggy full of discs
always goes in a bubble envelope, although I've
received discs in a regular manila envelope before
without any problems thanks to careful packaging.
BWT/B&P:
I owe a freebie to the list, so I'm offering a Queens
of the Stone Age show from 6/2/02 at the Nightclub
9:30 in Washington, DC (with Dave Grohl drumming).
I'll take the first few responses once the digest hits
my inbox. Please include "QOTSA" in the subject line.
Thanks,
*phiL*
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From: augwest <augwest@augwest.net>
Subject: ISO:TOO-Alpine
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:02:56 -0500
Hello,
I am looking for DATS of the The Other Ones 8-3/4.
Will happily do a B&P, but I do have limited material for trade,
you're welcome to whatever I have....
Thanks,
Jeff
Oklahoma City
From: Darren <dnemeth01@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: recent blondie shows
Reply-To: dnemeth01@sprynet.com
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:45:45 -0400
> hi everyone,
> i'm looking for a least one solid recent blondie recording from their recent
> tour.
> i have tons of lots of diff artists to offer. audio and video.
> if you have something and would like to set up a trade,would love to hear
> from you.
> thanks
> rich b.
Rich,
I have the July 16th show that I taped this year. It is MD but almost sounds
like a soundboard.
Please send your list.
Have a nice day, :)
Darren Nemeth
dnemeth01@sprynet.com
Owner of "Giant Squid Audio Lab" - Specialists in durable, high
fidelity Binaural / Stereo and Mono miniature microphones
for discriminating DAT and Mini Disc recording enthusiasts.
http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/
From: CCFLAMEWORKS@webtv.net
Subject: JIMMY BUFFET
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:40:33 -0400 (EDT)
LOOKING FOR 2 JIMMY BUFFET FOR THE TWEETER SHOW SAT . AND IN RETURN WE
ARE NEW SEASON TICKET HODERS FOR THE NEW GILLET FIELD FOR THE PATRIOT'S
NAME YOUR GAME YOU WANT TO SEE , ANY NIGHT BUT OPENING NIGHT !!! HAPPY
TO HELP YOU IF YOU CAN HELP ME !!! THANKS!!! REPLY DIRECTLY@
CCFLAMEWORKS@WEBTV.NET
From: CCFLAMEWORKS@webtv.net
Subject: ALPINE VALLEY OTHER ONES
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:42:56 -0400 (EDT)
ALSO LOOKING FOR FM BROADCST ON THE ALPINE SHOW , THE OTHER ONES THANKS
ALOT CHRIS
From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: ISO hall&oates/todd tour
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:27:11 EDT
Hey people,
I just found out that Todd Rundgren (who produced some of H&Os earlier albums
before they made it huge) and Hall & Oates (aka Daryl & John, not to be
confused with Dave & Tim) are touring in the East and MidWest for some dates
in August. Has anybody taped any of the shows, because I'd love to get one
or two nights; I'm assuming they're all doing the same songlists each night.
I can swap on dat/cdr, although due to being superbusy with work and having
moved, I'm a bit slow on trades (so probably best for me to send first), but
I am interested in trying to set something up with a patient trader. I live
in San Francisco and taped Love in July but haven't gotten around to
listening to it, also taped Doves in June, Neil Halstead in April, Sleater
Kinney in January, and allegedly will do Coldplay on Sunday. Also have a
zillion or at least 400 other dats of music out there, including some other
good live Daryl and John.
ta
Mike
From: "Hance, Bill" <BHance@BroadViewNet.com>
Subject: RE: DAT-heads Digest #433
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:57:26 -0400
Mike,
Thanks for warning us about trading with you. Have fun, indeed.
-Bill
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From: mike hooker <mhooker@optonline.net>
Subject: messed up trade, nasty e mail
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:57:14 -0400
hi,
regarding the below, i'm the guy who sent it. :
========================================================================
I'm not going to use names but this happened to me today. I set up a
trade
for the Jorma show I offered. I've seen this guy post a lot so no big
deal.
I get the disc today. they were wrapped in news paper and taped in
cardboard. I pop them in and they are not the year listed (really don't
care about that. I can figure out what it really is) and they were TAO.
I
sent him a email. I thought it was nice enough.
>>>I got the disc today. they are mislabeled. it is not from 74. it's
got
a
song off the new album. and its TAO!! I would not have traded for it
if I
had known this.>>>
didn't even mention the fact that they weren't in sleeves or a bubble
mailer. this was his response.
>>>then I fucked up. dot have a friggin heart attack, like some broad.
you
let
me know about it, nicely, and I take care of it. now, you can stick it
up
your ass.>>>
=====================================================================
all the guy had to do was say i sent the wrong discs. i dont need a
lecture , or attitude. if i need any of that, i'll call my house :).
i
trade a lot, with a lot of you. done a lot of repeat trades too. i've
also
made a few mistakes over the years too. always made good on them, often
times throw in an extra for the hassle. never once when i fucked up did
i
get an e mail like that . it was always mike, i think you sent the
wrong
discs, can you check for me . or something along those lines.
its a hobby, a pleasant one. i try to be pleasant, he wasnt. he can
still
stick the discs .
please see my music trading page: New URL
http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html
being its AOL, its not always up. try it a few times, or ask me for a
text list. thanks
have fun,
mike hooker
From: Jay Lyons <jayl@fdn.com>
Subject: Re: Taping Policy- The Dudes and The Radz
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:49:04 -0400
Hi,
You won't find a friendlier bunch than the Radz to tape,.. they provide a
patch bay up by the SBD,.. 1st come 1st served and have several choices of
outputs to chose from.
The Dudes? If this is a reincarnate of the Subdudes last time thru here
Tommies manage was very taper friendly as well. Tom Malone btw, is the
brother to the Radz Dave Malone--both exceptional singer/guitarist
I believe a BTAT list you asked for is available from the datheads home page.
http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/Info.html
At 07:50 PM 8/17/02 EDT, you wrote:
>
>From: "Steve" <stevect@attglobal.net>
>Subject: Taping Policy: The Dudes and The Radiators?
>Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:43:55 -0400
>
>Hello,
>Can anyone tell me if these bands allow taping? Also, is there
>A current listing of bands/performers that allow taping?
>Thanks,
>Steve
All the best,
Jay
From: Steven Kingsley <eskay@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: *iso GD 07-09-1989*
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:23:47 -0700
Hey everyone. Been a while since I piped up, hope everyones well.
My Denon deck just ate this show for breakfast :( I Would love to track down
another copy. It's one of my favorites. What a beautiful day that was,
bugeyed on the floor. If someone has a hq (sbd,schoeps fob prefd) any source
really... I just want it again as nice sounding as I can find, I don't mind
if I end up multisourced on this show. Please please please... Someones got
to have it & I hope I have something you want...
See my list at www.netcom.com/~eskay/dat
I have 2 other decks that run just fine & 5 or 6 Maxell hs4-90m blanks so
what you pick can go out asap unless you crave 60m, then I'll order.
*ps, if anyone has GD 9/16/88 my best friend can get her 1st show for her
birthday. I have forever to get it for her. Someone help me surprise her ;)
Good Karma BW Tax
ATN: DAT Newbie's... I'll take the first 2 responses for a B&P of whatever
YOU want off my list. Should be quick so if ya don't hear back...
From: "Stanley W. Smith" <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Misloads & sony's
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:49:56 -0500
===== Original Message =====
From: <MAILER-DAEMON@fedney.org>
To: <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:30 AM
Subject: failure notice
> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at fedney.org.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
From: "Stanley W. Smith" <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Digestifier" <DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net>
Subject: Re: misloads and sony's
I've got over 2,000 successfully recorded Sony DGP tapes from the last
several years that suggest it is probably the deck that's the problem,
rather
than the media. About 1 tape (new, factory wrapped) in 100 will refuse to
load or misload in the R-300, R-500, DA-20, or DA-30 rackmount decks.
The ratio of misloads in the portables (D7, D8, M1) is slightly higher, 3-5
in 100 (_especially_ on tapes that have not been repacked first...), and
lower
in the HHB PDR-100, about 1 in 300. (you know it's really a $^(#&d-up
tape when the HHB won't load it ... ;) ) For example, a friends D7 (of much
milage) has been recording occasional "blank" tapes for the last 6 months or
so.
The cause of the problem was an out of adjustment tape tensioner, so that
while the the tape would load and advance, the meters would show level and
A-time, and all apeared well, the tape was not actually in contact with the
heads...
!!! =| I've seen similar problems on aging P1s...
If the tape is not retracting fully into the shell when ejected, then either
the loading arms, tape idlers, or some other part of the load/eject
mechanism
is out of adjustment. There are many moving parts in DAT drives, in
delicate
adjustment. The more moving parts there are in a system, the more likely it
is that
some misalignment will occur. (Murphy's corollary #6)
These types of problems are more likely _symptoms_ of a mechanical problem
with the specific deck, and not necessarily related to either the type of
tape or the
type of deck.
The other main cause of misloads and tape jams (other than the off-sized
shell issues)
is pilot error... an anxious operator pushing buttons before the deck has
had a chance to
load and seat the tape...
Stan Smith
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> From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
> Subject: Re: misloads and sony's
> Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com
> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:44:02 -0500 (CDT)
>
> On 14 Aug 2002, Scott C. Brown 02 wrote:
>
> > taped oasis tonight only to come home to find an hour and a half of
blank
> tape.
> > i can't blame the deck, since this was the 5th time this d100 was *ever*
> used.
> > ran out of the maxell green tapes so i used a sony. i know people have
> had
> > horrible experiences with sony's recently, so i'm just adding my story
to
> the
> > mix.
> >
> > don't buy sony dats. ever. unless you like blank tapes and never want
to
> > actually record something
> >
> > any chance it somehow recorded to the other side? i doubt it, but fuck
> sony.
> > i'm tired of this BS
> >
>
> I have a PCM-1 and have experienced this same phenomenon with other
> tapes as well. I think that you CAN blame the deck. They seem to have
> a firmware bug that causes this on rare occasion. Based on how many
> times it's happened to me, I'd say one tape in 50 ends up this way.
> I've learned to live with it(1). It's still a better good/bad ratio
> than other decks in its class. I usually have anywhere from 2 to 10
> patchers out of my deck (actually out of the SBM-1) so I don't usually
> lose the show.
>
> As for Sony tapes, for the last year or so I've used Sony DDS 60M and
> 90M exclusively and have had better luck with them than any others.
> I've had two Maxells (60M) wrap around the inner workings completely
> destroying the tape (This may be due to the deck too, I don't have
> enough data--also, I've had Sony tapes not retract fully, but still
> managed to salvage the tape).
>
> In short, it's like my Dad used to say, "It [DAT machine] has more
> moving parts than a silo full of swiss watches!" DAT portables are
> complicated machines and can't be expected to perform flawlessly 100%
> of the time. Until laptop/HD recording comes of age, this is all we've
> got.
>
> As always, YMMV. I invite others to share their anecdotes.
>
>
> 1. I've managed to (I think--so far) prevent this from happening by
> "preping" the tape beforehand and recording a few minutes off the radio
> or something, playing it back to make sure it "took" then rewinding in
> preparation for recording the show. This also makes sure that "A-Time"
> is synced--another problem I've found with M-1's.
>
> --
> Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
> wayne@hoxnet.com
> http://www.hoxnet.com
> PGP Key ID 138BCEE1
>
>
>
>
>
From: John <jjq68@optonline.net>
Subject: Sample Rate Conversion - Prodif 32/Soundforge
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:30:01 -0400
Please forgive me if this topic has been beat to death on the list already,
but I am just entering the world of PC recording. I picked up a cheap
(used)Prodif 32 PCI card, and copies of Soundforge XP 4.0 and Cd Architect
4.5 with intentions of recording my dats to hard drive, and then burning red
book audio cd's from the files. All is well if I am transfering a dat
originally recorded at 44.1, but for dats recorded at 48k, it seems the
Prodif 32 does not support real time sample rate conversion (can anyone
verify this??) Soundforge will not allow recording to start, unless the
sample rate of the incoming signal is matched, and chosen in the drop down
box (in this case 48k) So, I record the file at 48k, but when I pull the
file into Cd Architect, it plays at the wrong speed! (too slow). It seems
the software automatically changes the file to 44.1 (which is what I want
obviously)......but its useless if the pitch has been altered. Changing it
back to 48k restores the proper pitch, but it cant be burned to cd at that
frequency. Any ideas what could be wrong??
The strange thing is, if I pull this wav. file into the shareware program
CDWAV, none of this happens! I can edit the file (no pitch issues), burn it
to cd, and somehow it ends up in 44.1 without me doing a thing !! So
perhaps its a Soundforge issue...
Any ideas/suggestions would be greatly appreciated by this frustrated
newbie! :-)
From: Tom Cavanaugh <Meurglys3@att.net>
Subject: Trading Etiquette
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:56:30 -0400
The first time one of my trades arrived with "tire tracks" on the
packaging, I knew I was in for a ride. I've seen it all!
Here's the trading Gospel according to Tom:
Do not use cdr's on your electric sander then send them to me in trade :(
Remove all sticky substances from recording surface, i.e. peanut butter
& jelly, super glue, and the like.
If you're going to wrap my cd-r's in newspaper, please don't recycle the
used paper from your bird gage !
Photo copies of one's ass do not constitute suitable art scans :)
Enough silliness, all it takes is a little TLC.Use good media, burn DAO,
handle with care, and mail discs in individual sleeves for protection.
How hard is that?
Tom
From: "Tommy" <fwnp6824@mb.infoweb.ne.jp>
Subject: GUNS N' ROSES Summer Sonic 2002 Live
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:40:48 +0900
Hello DAT Heads,
I taped GUNS N' ROSES Summer Sonic 2002 Live
02.08.17 Marine Stadium,Chiba,Japan 115/DAUD/SANKEN.COS-11>SONY
PCM-M1/DM/EX- include cloud noise!! Too Laud!!
WEEZER
02.08.17 Marine Stadium,Chiba,Japan 60/DAUD/SANKEN.COS-11>SONY PCM-M1/DM/EX
I'm looking for a copy of The Who,Robert Plant,Guns N' Roses UK
tour,Oasis,Red Hot Chilli Pepper etc....... in this tour.
Sorry, no time for B&P right now. Look forward to hearing from you.
Peace Satsuki
From: "Matt C." <Snakebite@nyloose.com>
Subject: Re: GUNS N' ROSES Summer Sonic 2002 Live
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:48:38 -0700
===== Original Message =====
From: "Tommy" <fwnp6824@mb.infoweb.ne.jp>
To: <dat-heads@datheads.phish.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:40 AM
Subject: GUNS N' ROSES Summer Sonic 2002 Live
> Hello DAT Heads,
>
> I taped GUNS N' ROSES Summer Sonic 2002 Live
> 02.08.17 Marine Stadium,Chiba,Japan 115/DAUD/SANKEN.COS-11>SONY
> PCM-M1/DM/EX- include cloud noise!! Too Laud!!
i love laud cloud noise!!!
just kidding.
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From: pwking <sleepypedro@yahoo.com>
Subject: B&P Offer -- Norah Jones 6-23-02 Bonnaroo
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:15:01 -0700 (PDT)
hi --
i just got this nice recording of up-and-coming artist
Norah Jones, figured some folks around here might be
into it! SO... if you'd be into this one CDr, drop me
a line.
njones_020623
Norah Jones
Bonnaroo Music Festival,
Manchester, TN
June 23, 2002
Source:(FOB) KM184 > V2 > DAP1
b&p welcome, as are trades, as long as you promise to
freely pass this on to lots of people! it's in
shorten format right now, so i'd rather pass it on in
this format, but if you really need audio disks made
for you, i can accomodate this as well.
cheers
peter
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From: pwking <sleepypedro@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO large-ish CDr trades
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:19:34 -0700 (PDT)
hi --
bestbuy.com has had fuji blanks for extremely cheap,
so i'd like to find a couple of folks out there to do
some large-ish CDr trades (say, 10-15 for a first pass
if we don't already know each other?)
if you've got a sizeable eclectic list and you're
reliable, will stand behind the quality of your clones
and reburn if there are any problems, etc. drop me a
line! i'm *not* interested in jambands -- you know
the ones -- so if you've only got the same old same
old that i've seen on a thousand lists already, i
probably won't be interested, sorry. what i'd really
like to find are '01-'02 shows, alt-rock, bossa nova,
and any pixies recordings i don't already have...
my tradelist is available @ the URL in my sig.
references available, etc.
cheers
peter
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From: CCage@aol.com
Subject: My Tascam 302 up for sale
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:29:51 EDT
Howdy All,
Wanted to offer it here first before messing w/ ebay.
FOR SALE:
Tascam 302 Dual DAT Unit purchased from Oade in 98 and was just serviced by
Tascam techs and shipped w/ new parts and new firmware (whatever that is).
Bench tested by Oade and has the A-OK.
Heads are fairly low milelage - also have remote and manual.
$600.00 firm
reply offline if interested.
Chris
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