DAT-heads Digest #440
Contents:
RE: DAT-heads Digest #439 ("American-Digital")
Rush 8/16/02 Woodlands,TX for trade (John Brinkley)
TOO 8/3/02 FM on gdlive.com (Dean)
CD-R Storage (Keith Bode)
Re: DAT Drives for PC ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
ISO: Battery Module (h Grape Minkoff)
SPRINGSTEEN PORTLAND DAT to CDRs FOR TRADE (Frank Wong)
kroq punk show ("Sam Hain")
punk kroq show ("Sam Hain")
Re: Dat Heads post ("Ernie Ensign")
ISO: Marilyn Manson DAT Traders (ricies@ihug.co.nz)
ISO:Phil & Friends 6-30-02 Pine Knob(DTE Music) ("Jason Smith")
SPRINGSTEEN PORTLAND DAT to CDRs FOR TRADE (Frank Wong)
TREY Unidecker Offer ("DRider")
V2 (Jmratman@aol.com)
Re: Zefiro InBox mini coax jack (Robert Fisher)
ISO:My Alpine 8-4 sets suck ("Winnie Olmer")
Royer SF-12 Review / Samples ("Chris And Berryman")
ALD help (Smagmapig333@aol.com)
Re: DAT-heads Digest #436 (Greg Teltschik)
ISO: Ticket swap - Stone -> WHO ("jz")
ISO: Stones Toronto 8/16 ("jz")
From: "American-Digital" <heath@am-dig.com>
Subject: RE: DAT-heads Digest #439
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:18:30 -0400
Matthew (and all),
We've got the Core Sound 7pin>AES/EBU cables, as well as many other
7-pins. Almost all are in stock and ready to ship. Check out the link:
http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/category.asp?c=83&name=7Pin
Best regards,
Heath Condiotte
American-Digital
25 Van Zant St.
Suite 1A
Norwalk, CT 06855
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Mitsuis Onsale for $.47 each
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From: "Matthew Rechs" <rechsm@hotmail.com>
Subject: WTB: Core Sound Binaurals
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:48:18 +0000
Wanted to buy, a set of used Core Sound Binaural microphones.
Also wanted to buy a 7-pin-to-XLR/AES patch cable, or a 7-pin-to-Toslink
cable, for doing digital transfer from a D8 to the digi inputs on my MOTU
896. Been trying to order this from Core Sound for a couple weeks now, but
no luck getting my phone or email messages returned.
Please contact me by email: rechsm at hotmail dot com. Thanks!
Yours,
mjr
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From: John Brinkley <johnbrinkley@yahoo.com>
Subject: Rush 8/16/02 Woodlands,TX for trade
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:28:04 -0700 (PDT)
I taped the show last Friday and am offering it up for
trade. A pretty nice recording although the bass was
mixed a little too hot at the start of the gig,
overloading the PA system. It was a very energetic
performance in front of a sellout crowd! Taped from
the center section about 34 rows from the stage just
left of the board.
DPA4060's>HEB battery box>D100(Oade mod.)>Zoltrix
Nightingale>CDWAV>3cdr
Thanks again for the BW,
JB
http://hometown.aol.com/jdbrinkley/myhomepage/collection.html
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From: Dean <dean@deanos.net>
Subject: TOO 8/3/02 FM on gdlive.com
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:28:31 -0700
Hey all,
Quick note. SHN's of TOO 8/3/02 FM is up on gdlive.com.
Dean
--
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: CD-R Storage
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:49:06 -0700
If you have an Ikea stre in your area, I boughgt some great drawer sets
for about $8 each that have 2 drawers in each. Each drawer easily holds
about 100 CD-R discs in Heavy Tyvek CD envelopes one t a envelpe. I
have started (slowly) to move all my CD-R discs to them. I have about 8
units, which should hold about 1600 CD-R discs. Once I fill them up,
I'll get more. I have stacks of CD-R discs that I need to file away.
I have ben using Case Logick boks, and I have 2 256 disc boks, 1 96 disc
book, and 3 48 disc boks in brand new condition that I'd like to sell.
These actually wrk pretty well if your collection is not that big, but
they are bulky and limited.
Keith
From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: DAT Drives for PC
Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:51:57 -0500 (CDT)
On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Ryan Engel wrote:
> I have recently seen a number of for sale posts about PC compatible
> DAT drives with audio functionality on this list. Does anyone have
> one of these drives and use it? If I purchased such a drive, would
> it enable me to make digital copies of a DAT directly onto my hard
> drive? Could I use it to make clones?
>
> If anyone has experience with these types of drives, please share with
> me privately or on the list.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Ryan Engel
>
I have 4 of these drives. I first got an original DDS-1 drive with an
old SGI IRIS workstation I picked up at a ham fest. This drive had
hundreds of hours on it but seemed to work well as a backup drive in the
Sun Sparc workstation to which I transplanted it. I discovered Marcus
Meissner's DATlib program and tried it out on my Sparc with success,
but it was quirky. It would lockup sometimes and pretty much every rip
I did from a tape of more than an hour or so had glitches in it. I
though it was due to the age of the drive, and purchased a new DDS-2
SGI drive (like the one's that pop up alot here on DAT-heads) but was
surprised to see that I got the same glitches from it as well. I've
since learned that this is probably from weak spots on the tape. Your
typical DAT deck has real-time error-correction and/or interpolation
algorithms within its firmware whereas these DDS drives have audio as an
afterthought and pretty much send the stream as it is on the tape. If
they can't read a block correctly, they just spit out whatever happens
to be in the buffer. Unlike their DDS mode they don't stop, rewind a
little, and retry on errors. They just send the data realtime. These
glitches are usually easy to spot in a wave editor as there is usually a
spike well above the amplitude at that point in the file. You can use
software to correct it (I think cooledit or soundforge have algorithms
for this) or do what I do and use your normal DAT deck to run the tape
up to just before the glitch, then record a few minutes via S/PDIF, then
patch it over the bad spot. This can be a chore, but alot of times it
still ends up being faster than realtime if you're in a hurry. You
may get lucky too and have a tape that is pristine (as with most of my
masters recorded on a new tape the night before), but I still prefer to
just plug my deck into my S/PDIF and run it while I sleep.
The audio drives do seem to allow a lot more slop in the tape though.
I've had tapes that had regular digi-noise throughout (probably recorded
on a misaligned deck) that came out perfect when ripped via the audio
drives.
Personally, I'd stay away from them unless you are a habitual techie
kinda nerd like me. I now have a Sony DDS-3 SDT-9000 that is audio
capable and it seems to do alot better than the Seagate/Archive/Python
line, but to my dismay, it is not any faster than those. It is great in
that it does data backups of up to 24 gigs on a single DDS-3 (identical
dimensions as our audio tapes) tapes and is great for archiving music.
Note also that I've never used any of the Windows tools on any of
these, but have heard that both VDat and Dat2Wav are kind of quirky
(or it might just be windows ASPI support, I don't really know since I
don't use windows at all). I trudged along with DATlib for awhile, but
have since started trying to write my own tools for these. Meissner's
goals were quite different than ours. He wanted a replacement for the
standard unix `mt' command that would handle audio tapes too, and wanted
neat little play/record tools like the original SGI workstations (and
current workstations as far as I know). Most of us are just looking to
get the data onto our computers to burn CD's with, and possibly clone
DATs.
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
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From: h Grape Minkoff <the_grapeman@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: Battery Module
Reply-To: the_GrapeMan@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:52:15 -0700 (PDT)
Anyone have a used battery module to sell?
Write to me offlist.
Thanks,
Grape
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From: Frank Wong <fwong111@yahoo.com>
Subject: SPRINGSTEEN PORTLAND DAT to CDRs FOR TRADE
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:34:54 -0700 (PDT)
have a DAT to CDR of Springsteen, Portland Rose
Garden, 8/20/02
Sound quality is 8-9, with minimal audience noise.
Recording location was floor, center.
Show is complete.
At this time I would like to trade for other shows
from the Rising Tour
only,
since I have limited trade time.
I can accept DATs or CDRs in trade, however since I
only have 1 DAT
machine,
I can only trade CDRs.
Especially looking for a good Tacoma, 8/21/02 DAT.
Please email me at fwong111@yahoo.com
Thanks,
Frank Wong
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From: "Sam Hain" <samhain1313@hotmail.com>
Subject: kroq punk show
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:54:02 -0400
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anyone know if the punk show sponsored by KROQ on 9/14 will be broadcast,
and if so, any one taping it?
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From: "Sam Hain" <samhain1313@hotmail.com>
Subject: punk kroq show
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:30:13 -0400
anyone know if the punk show sponsored by KROQ on 9/14 will be broadcast,
and if so, any taping it?
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From: "Ernie Ensign" <ensign@core.com>
Subject: Re: Dat Heads post
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:17:08 -0400
Well, my Sony Vaio has a soundcard, but obviously no spdif in nor rca
inputs... Do I need the soundblaster extigy that I bought... Again all I
need to do is transfer my dats to my hard drive so I can burn them, and then
also take in some mic inputs to do some studio recording (which I already
have the multi-track software)... Is there a way I can do that with my
existing soundcard and send back the extigy....
Thanks for your help...
ernie...
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From: <Icculus17@aol.com>
To: <ensign@core.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: Dat Heads post
> I use a Midiman Audiophile 2496 digi-sound card that I love.
>
> some people prefer more expensie Delta Dio, or a Prodif Plus.
>
> soundblasters are the worst
>
From: ricies@ihug.co.nz
Subject: ISO: Marilyn Manson DAT Traders
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:23:22 GMT
Hi, I'm looking for any Marilyn Manson DAT/CDRs/VHS I don't have. Check out my
site: www.mmbootlegs.8m.com I've got alot of DAT/MD masters and alot of other
bands for trade (DAT/CDR/VHS).
Thanks
-Karl
www.mmbootlegs.8m.com
From: "Jason Smith" <jason7675@woh.rr.com>
Subject: ISO:Phil & Friends 6-30-02 Pine Knob(DTE Music)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:48:06 -0400
HI,
Still searchin for a nice copy of this nice show. Would like to get the ABB
as well from this night.
Lots to trade.DAT or CDR.
Thanks!
Jason
From: Frank Wong <fwong111@yahoo.com>
Subject: SPRINGSTEEN PORTLAND DAT to CDRs FOR TRADE
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
I have a DAT to CDR of Springsteen, Portland Rose
Garden, 8/20/02
Sound quality is 8-9, with minimal audience noise.
Recording location was floor, center.
Show is complete.
At this time I would like to trade for other shows
from the Rising Tour
only,
since I have limited trade time.
I can accept DATs or CDRs in trade, however since I
only have 1 DAT
machine,
I can only trade CDRs.
Especially looking for a good Tacoma, 8/21/02 DAT.
Please email me at fwong111@yahoo.com
Thanks,
Frank Wong
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From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@attbi.com>
Subject: TREY Unidecker Offer
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:16:11 -0400
Hey Now!
This ~DAT ONLY B&P~ offer goes to the first Unidecker
Digester to respond.
Oh, better keep reading before you click.
You also need to meet another requirement.
This takes 2 sealed Maxell HS-4/60s tapes.
No other brands will be accepted.
If you can not meet these requirements, move on.
The show:
Trey Anastasio Band
June 23, 2002 Bonnaroo ~ Manchester, TN ~
Source: 4022>V.2>AD2K ~FOB~
This is perfect for one of you unidecker computer converter types.
Please put the Digest Number in your response.
This offer is for that one lucky person.
On January 2, 2003 - Hampton Comes Alive!
McGrupp
From: Jmratman@aol.com
Subject: V2
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:20:46 -0400
Just purchased a used Lunatec V2 to run my Neumann KM140's especially for the Moedown. Can anyone give me any pointers?? I also have a SBM1 with the oade bros. line in gain modification.
I've heard running the V2 @ +20 and crank the SBM1 and just the opposite.
Thanks,
Jim Ratner
Cape Eliz., ME
From: Robert Fisher <rfisher@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Zefiro InBox mini coax jack
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:53:16 -0400
I use a Radio Shack RCA>Mono 1/8" miniplug...works fine. The adapter
that comes with a new Inbox is an actual coaxial cable with RCA on one
end and 1/8" on the other. The cable is so cheap that I wouldn't let my
worst enemy patch with it. I used the optical out for 2 years while I
was using minidisc and never had a single problem. You should never
have an optical cable bind with a diameter smaller than one inch.
Good Luck,
Rob
From: "Winnie Olmer" <who@sover.net>
Subject: ISO:My Alpine 8-4 sets suck
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:20:04 -0400
I was on the lawn Saturday because my seats were way to the left. Lots of
mic stands inside. So Sunday I set up at my seats which were dead center in
front of the sound board. I've got some pristine Trichromes. They had kicked
out all the tapers before the show. I managed to remain unnoticed until
midway through the Trichromes. I would lay down the mic stand between sets
and set it up once again for each main stage set. But I had to keep it low.
I've recorded many shows head height before. I dont know if it was the shape
of the roof, or I was extra paranoid being right in front of the sound board
and kept them just a few inches too low. My sound is really flat!! I'd love
to set up a trade for a good quality set of Sundays shows... Trichromes
through Other Ones. Check my list.. its not current. I also have this
summers shows at Gathering of the Vibes... Phil, Mickey, Hunter at
Tweeter(MA). Phil, Hunter at Meadows(Hartford). JamGrass at Shelburne Museum
in Vermont
URL to list below
Thanks!!
Winnie
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never come true"-Garcia/Hunter
Winnie Olmer
mailto:who@sover.net
Trades: www.sover.net/~who/trades.htm
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From: "Chris And Berryman" <CnMBerryman@mynra.com>
Subject: Royer SF-12 Review / Samples
Reply-To: <CnMBerryman@mynra.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:40:20 -0400
Well, I went through DPA's / Oktava's / a Crown SASS-P / A-
T's ....I
think thats all, anyway I went for a wildcard and bought a Royer
SF-12 Stereo ribbon mic. Got to try it out last weekend following
Glen Phillips and Nickel Creek around the east coast. Ran Royer
SF-12->Lunatec V2->DA-P1. Taped in a variety of settings, mostly
club type settings, some near the soundboard some up almost
on-stage, even once on the streets of New York for an impromptu
encore after the Glen and Nickel Creek ran way past the allotted
time in the venue. I can honestly say that it is the most accurate
microphone I have ever heard. To all those who warned about
serious
reflection problems, etc. with the blumlein pattern; I don't know
if
it's the ability of the ribbons to resolve the detail needed or the
lack of high-frequency phase issues but the image is rock solid
when
played back on headphones or any system capable of good imaging. A
bonus I noticed is that the blumlein pattern is very conducive to
surround sound recording. The crowd noise which was picked up by
the rear lobes flows nicely from the extreme sides of the image to
the rear of my room when played back in surround, at that point the
crowd level / room ambiance is variable by adjusting my rear
levels.
One other aside is that due to the "low output" of ribbons I was
worried about providing enough gain, but this was not an issue. At
the unity gain level of my DA-P1 (near 7) to get -3db peaks I ran
the V2 around 35db gain. All in all I am very happy with my
purchase and finally found a mic which I will own forever (I still
may add a few more to the collection but you won't see this up on
eBay in the future). I have uploaded some samples
in mp3 192kbs format to my online drive. The address is as
follows:
http://biscu.com/file_browser.asp?Path=PATH%
5CGlen+Phillips&uid=berrymancr%40marforlant%2Eusmc%
2Emil&s=62B7E277%2D50EC%2D4A31%2D92AC%2D1306BB122FD1
I'll be doing a B+P for the recordings as soon as I can get them
converted. Peace, Chris
From: Smagmapig333@aol.com
Subject: ALD help
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:46:43 EDT
I've heard a particular tape from the Cleveland Gund done with an ALD. I'd
also like to use the same setup at the same venue. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Mike
tapentrade@aol.com
From: Greg Teltschik <gteltschik@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #436
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:56:02 +0100
Unless you go back to the venue and ask the soundguy, I'm not sure you'll
ever figure out 100% what it was. It sounds like one of the pieces of
equipment was in standby or pause mode and patched into that aux as
well. It reminds me of my portable CD players that beep every few seconds
when the unit is on pause. Laptops also can do something similar with a
rather long period.
So either the house CD player was on pause and beeping, or a piece of
equipment used for the opening act was still engaged. Again, short of
returning to the venue and finding the offending component, you may just
have to chock it up to experience.
I'd love to hear if someone knows something more definite.
Greg
At 14:50 8/19/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Taped Colonel Bruce and The Code Talkers Saturday night. Setup was
>simple: SBD Aux 1/4" outs > 2 x mono 1/4"-to-RCA-to-1/8" stereo miniplug
> > Analog in D8. Opening act tape is pristine. The Colonel's set,
>however, has a prominent "beep" about every ten seconds for the entire
>recording, both sets!! I'm going to try and remove this beep (probably
>via a severe narrow-band notch EQ in CoolEdit, although I'd love to hear
>of a better solution), but what I really want to know is - where in the
>heck did the beep come from?!? Anybody else ever get such a result?
>
>Just wondering -
Greg Teltschik
gteltschik@mindspring.com
From: "jz" <jzamudio@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: ISO: Ticket swap - Stone -> WHO
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:44:06 -0500
Hi everyone:
I'm aware of someone looking to swap either 1 Rolling Stones Aragon Ballroom
ticket (Chicago 9/16) OR 1 Rolling Stones Roseland ticket (NYC 9/30) for 1
WHO ticket to the HOB show in Chicago (9/23) - straight swap.
Please note: 1). The Stones shows are a will call event only. Person would
have to meet on the day before show (on or about 10-11am for Noon
distribution) to pick up wristbands and tickets and then again the next day
for the show. Venues are only letting in ticketholder & guest simultaneously
2). Stones tickets are not for sale.
If interested, email me. Thanks!
José
jzamudio@att.net
From: "jz" <jzamudio@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: ISO: Stones Toronto 8/16
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:47:06 -0500
Hi everyone:
I know at least one taper got in. Anyone capture The Rolling Stones'
surprise gig at Palais Royal in Toronto 8/16? Hopefully, you're up for a
trade.
José
jzamudio@att.net
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