DAT-heads Digest #443
Contents:
P&F DAT offer ("hans o. weber")
Re: Tall (13ft+) Mic stand recommendations ("matthew champagne")
Re: ISO: Ticket swap - Stone -> WHO (Scott C. Brown 02)
EAC CRC numbers (Keith Bode)
split omnis (randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU)
anyone taping le tigre / timony ? ("grafixx@jps.net")
Bumbershoot 2002 ("Andy Liu")
WTD: various indie shows ("grafixx@jps.net")
Re: ISO: Ticket swap - Stone -> WHO ("Chris Siegl")
Sony DDS tapes and the surplus sale... ("Jason Arndt")
Uprooted Tour:Seven Nations ,Great Big Sea and Young Dubliners ("sean hite")
ISO tapers for upcoming Bob and David live tour ... ("Tyler Huff")
SGI DAT DRIVES $75 W/ 30 DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE ("datman")
Re: Appropriateness of Subject ("Gary Davis")
Anybody got an active 7-pin for sale? ("Nick Graham")
essential mixes ("Michael Bogdan \(419081\)")
Re: Tall (13ft+) Mic stand recommendations (Tom McCreadie)
FS: Sony RKDA10P active cable (Spyro Bouras)
Re: Appropriateness of Subject (L Sean Kennedy)
ISO Recent Dylan ("Tim Call")
microphone Q regarding crowd participation (GaoBest@aol.com)
From: "hans o. weber" <how@uio.satnet.net>
Subject: P&F DAT offer
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:53:57 -0500
Since I already converted them to CD I would like to offer the following DAT
tapes:
Phil & Friends
5/29/99
8/12/99
8/13/99
8/18/99
8/21/99
(all shows feature Warren Haynes)
I prefer if one person would take all 5 DATs.
Please contact me at how@uio.satnet.net for further details.
Hans
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saludos de quito - grüsse aus quito - greetings from quito
From: "matthew champagne" <fishtorte@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tall (13ft+) Mic stand recommendations
Reply-To: fishtorte@earthlink.net
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:07:47 -0700
Hey, Mac-
Call Dan Ross at Masterpiece AV and tell him you want the 13ft. heavy duty
air-cushioned Manfrotto stand.
That's the one I use ALL THE TIME for classical location recording, and I
wouldn't trade it for anything. It's designed for photographic lighting, which
often weighs considerably more than a pair of mics!
I briefly experimented with a pair of Earthworks QTC1 mics (heavy themselves),
A/B-ing them with some Neumann KM184s, and had the four of them up on top of
my Manfrotto along with a pretty heavy stereo bar. The total sitting up on
top, including cables, was probably around six pounds. There was a slight sway
to the stand (it was 13 feet up, after all), but VERY stable. The tripod
diameter is a good 4 feet or so.
Another trick I use at recitals is to run gaffer's tape from the end of each
leg straight out about a foot and press it down very firmly into the floor.
This really immobilizes the stand and makes tip-overs very unlikely.
I do NOT recommend the Manfrotto 25 foot stand--it's really flimsy for our
purposes, and I'm in the process of trying to exchange mine for another 13
footer.
Hope this helps!
-Matt
Matthew Champagne
Champagne Location Recording
http://www.champagnerecording.com/
From: Scott.C.Brown.02@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Scott C. Brown 02)
Subject: Re: ISO: Ticket swap - Stone -> WHO
Reply-To: scb02@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG
Date: 23 Aug 2002 18:24:23 EDT
--- jzamudio@att.net wrote:
"we're willing to give you a bit of a break on the price of the who
ticket. so [name deleted] would send you the who ticket in return for
- 1 of your stones aragon tix
- 1 of your stones roseland tix, and
- $180"
I had to re-read this several times because to me it is much more of a trade
imbalance.
--- end of quote ---
how? you getting $400 in exchange for what cost you 50 + 95=145 is less of an
imbalance than you getting 400 for what cost you 50 + 50 + 95 + 180 = 375? that
math doesn't make sense.
i'm not trying to start a war here, just saying that one thing i noticed on
DATheads is people don't like sellers of live shows, and people don't like
people trying to rip others off on tickets. this seemed to me to be a rip-off.
maybe others will agree, maybe they'll disagree...
scott
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: EAC CRC numbers
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:22:46 -0700
As mentined by Mark, I have thought about including the CRC numbers for
each track. It would be handy to have, as well as verifying the
accuracy of the extraction. I don't know if the CRC would always turn
out the same, but it seems it should. It would be a way to counter
claims of SHN's inherint accuracy over DAE. If the same checksums were
consistently acheived, it would seem the Bit for Bit accuracy that we
can't hear could be proven.
Keith
From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU
Subject: split omnis
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:24:41 -0700 (PDT)
? 2 mics, 8 feet apart ?
why not run two separate stands?
-rand0m
From: "grafixx@jps.net" <grafixx@jps.net>
Subject: anyone taping le tigre / timony ?
Reply-To: grafixx@jps.net
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:30:38 -0400
looking for audio video of le tigre and mary timony=20
8/26/02 opera house toronto
8/27/02 club soda montreal
8/30/02 boston
8/31/02 trocadero philly
have lots to trade=2E
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From: "Andy Liu" <dwonk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Bumbershoot 2002
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:42:49 -0700
It that time of the year here Seattle. Let's put our collective gear
together and get as much of it as we can. Please contact me if you are
planning to tape any of the shows. Place 'Bumbershoot' in subject line
please! Go to www.bumbershoot.org to see the wonderful line up!
ANDY
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From: "grafixx@jps.net" <grafixx@jps.net>
Subject: WTD: various indie shows
Reply-To: grafixx@jps.net
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:55:33 -0400
audio or video of steve malkmus 1/02 seoul korea with timony
audio or video of quasi 5/31/02 blackbird portland, with ash bowie
audio of mary timony 7/20/00 paradiso, amsterdam DAT-CD
audio of helium 10/3/97 la boule noir paris DAT-CD
helium 1/19/97 viva german tv interview with sleater kinney and helium
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From: "Chris Siegl" <senorplow99@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ISO: Ticket swap - Stone -> WHO
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:58:20 -0400
let's just agree that the actual *value* of a ticket is almost always
different than the dollar amount that's printed on the thing. suffice to
say, if i had a who ticket to trade him for his stones ticket, i'd do it
(because i'd rather see the stones), regardless of the "face value." now
that's also assuming that i'd actually spend 400 bucks on a concert ticket.
chris
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From: "Jason Arndt" <litsnsirn@attbi.com>
Subject: Sony DDS tapes and the surplus sale...
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:32:05 -0500
I picked up a bunch of Sony DDS tapes at a surplus sale, I didn't
remember the model of the Sony's that I was already using, which were
DG60P and DG90P. The ones that I picked up at the sale were DG90M and
DG90MAA and I am not familiar with the model differences, anyone know?
I haven't had any luck on the any of the Sony sites.
From: "sean hite" <seanhite@charter.net>
Subject: Uprooted Tour:Seven Nations ,Great Big Sea and Young Dubliners
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:13:54 -0400
has anyone taped any of this tour or any shows by these bands? also
looking for Brother and Jimmy Rankin shows. E-mail me for a trade.
thanks, sean.
From: "Tyler Huff" <thuff19@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO tapers for upcoming Bob and David live tour ...
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:02:43 -0700
I'm looking for someone who is going to one of these upcoming "Hoorah For
america" live shows of the comics Bob and David. In case you don't know,
they had a show on HBO from 1995-99 called "Mr. Show" that was HILARIOUS.
I'm not providing tickets or anything like that, but if you do tape one of
these performances, can you PLEASE let me know?
Thanks a lot. Go to :
http://www.bobanddavid.com for more info.
Tyler
thuff19@hotmail.com
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SAT 9/14
San Diego California Center for the Perf. Arts @ Escondido 8:00
*SALE DATE TBD
FRI 9/20
Washington, DC Warner Theatre 7:30
***JUST ADDED***
FRI 9/20
Washington, DC Warner Theatre 7:30
*SALE DATE: Friday, August 23rd, 2002 11:00am
SAT 9/21
Philadelphia, PA Electric Factory 7:30pm
***JUST ADDED***
SAT 9/21
Philadelphia, PA Electric Factory 11:00pm
***SOLD OUT (Except "In-House" Buys)***SUN 9/22
NYC Town Hall 8:00pm
***SOLD OUT (Except "In-House" Buys)***SUN 9/22
NYC Town Hall 11:00pm
***JUST ADDED***
MON 9/23
NYC Town Hall 11:00pm
*SALE DATE: Monday, August 26th, 2002 10:00am
TUE 9/24
Boston, MA The Orpheum Theatre 7:30
THU 9/26
Ann Arbor, MI The Michigan Theatre 7:30
***SOLD OUT (Except "In-House" Buys)***FRI 9/27
Chicago, IL The Congress Theatre 7:30
***JUST ADDED***
FRI 9/27
Chicago, IL The Congress Theatre 10:30
18 and Over
SAT 9/28
Madison, WI The Barrymoore Theatre 7:30
SUN 9/29
Minneapolis, MN The State Theatre 7:30
FRI 10/4
Los Angeles, CA Royce Hall 7:30
***JUST ADDED***
FRI 10/4
Los Angeles, CA Royce Hall 7:30
*SALE DATE: Sunday, August 25th, 2002 10:00am
SAT 10/5
San Francisco, CA The Warfield Theatre 8:00
***JUST ADDED***
SAT 10/5
San Francisco, CA The Warfield Theatre 11:00
*SALE DATE: Sunday, August 25th, 2002 10:00am
MON 10/7
Sacramento, CA The Crest Theatre 7:30
WED 10/9
Eugene, OR The McDonald Theatre 7:30
Ticket Outlets: All Fastixx Outlets, Safeway - Baily Hill and West 11th Ave,
Safeway - Parkway, Safeway - 40th and Donald
Hult Center Box Office, University of Oregon Ticket EMU Ticket Office
Charge by Phone: 800-992-8499
THU 10/10
Portland, OR The Crystal Ballroom 7:30
FRI 10/11
Seattle, WA The Moore Theatre 7:30
SAT 10/12
Vancouver, BC The Vogue Theatre 7:30
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From: "datman" <datman@midsouth.rr.com>
Subject: SGI DAT DRIVES $75 W/ 30 DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:33:22 -0500
SGI DAT DRIVE WITH AUDIO SUPPORT
CTD8000H-S 3.5" form factor drive with rails and 5.25" bezel (i.e.,
CTD8000R-S) This Peregrine series DAT drive has 4GB native capacity with
120m tapes and 8GB hardware compressed capacity. SCSI interface. This drive
supports both data and DAT audio and can read/write audio at 2.2x with
special software for the PC, e.g. Vdat or Dat2Wav. SCSI inquiry string
reports "ARCHIVE Python 01931-XXX 5AC". This drive is used, but has been
tested and is in excellent working condition. 30 day money back guarantee
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References furnished upon request E-mail datman@midsouth.rr.com with any
questions.
Thanks for your interest,
Robert
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavisloop@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Appropriateness of Subject
Reply-to: gdavisloop@earthlink.net
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:27:23 -0700
Re: discussions of computer HD recording, video stealthing, CD
trading, etc,
I suggest we re-christen the "DAT" in this list to mean
"Digital Audio Taping/Trading" (yes I know that's DATT).
Because that's what we all care about. Not the tape format!
--Gary
From: "Nick Graham" <nickg@mindspring.com>
Subject: Anybody got an active 7-pin for sale?
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:54:14 -0500
Somebody's gotta have one....
Sony, Oade, one your uncle made...as long as it
will work I'll take it :-)
Nick
CDR List: http://www.phishhook.com/lists/Nick_Graham
SHN List: http://db.etree.org/nickgraham
From: "Michael Bogdan \(419081\)" <sambhara@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: essential mixes
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:50:38 -0400
hey all, sorry for this sorta off topic post, but do any of you know of a
site similar to etree or even sugarmegs that deals with serving essential
dance mixes in shn or even mp3 format? I would appreciate if any one could
help me out here.. Thanks
-michael
From: Tom McCreadie <mccreadi@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Tall (13ft+) Mic stand recommendations
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:57:40 +0200
From Mac in #441
>I'm finding myself in need of a tall mic stand (12-13ft or more), which I=
=20
>am thinking to use with a 6-8 foot cross-bar for a pair of omni mics, in=20
>"spaced omni" mode (for classical and organ music). <snip>
>Also, any comments on whether this sort of setup is viable? (likely to get=
=20
>knocked over, etc)?
That setup is unwieldy and unrealistic...and financially dicey in the US
with its enthusiastic medical litigation culture <g>. If you insist on
wide-spaced omni's, consider suspending on a laterally-strung rope, or two
stands - the latter a probable no-no in an audience-filled hall.=20
The problem with a single stand is that a sufficiently sturdy model has too
big a footprint, blocking the central aisle and apoplexing the fire chief.
Also they are then clumsy overkill for less demanding recording situations.
As a compromise, you could check out the 13' Manfrotto 'Masterstand' light
stand, art. 004 / pivoting clamp, art. 124 / 6' light boom, art. 024
(Article nrs alas from an ancient Manfrotto European catalog). I often use
that system, legs heavily weighted, in conventional boom mode to manoeuvre
my mic pair to the "even sweeter spot" <g>. By setting the boom horizontal
you could almost get a 6' A-B, but note then that the pivot clamp does not
fit the topmost segment of the stand, so you would only have about 9-10'
height.
But why a wide-spaced A-B? To my ears, the imaging swims like a fish and
you could drive a London doubledecker bus through the 'hole in the middle'.
Try first a 50-60 cm A-B omni spacing. For this you only need a cheap 50 cm
T-bar (with multi-perforation, this bar is also good for X-Y or parallel
recording using two arrays etc.) And even better for imaging is a baffled
omni array such as a Jecklin Disk- mics 18 cm apart, with a central
LP-sized baffle plate. Who knows, you might find a good organ, good hall
and a JD to be a m=E9nage =E0 trois made in Heaven <g>. Whoops...starting t=
o
digress.
Tom
Tinnitus is a pain in the neck.
From: Spyro Bouras <spyro@senet.com.au>
Subject: FS: Sony RKDA10P active cable
Reply-To: spyro@senet.com.au
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:38:51 +0930
New cond.
Get in contact
From: L Sean Kennedy <liam@fedney.org>
Subject: Re: Appropriateness of Subject
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:30:35 -0400
--On Friday, August 23, 2002 9:27 PM -0700 Gary Davis
<gdavisloop@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I suggest we re-christen the "DAT" in this list to
> mean "Digital Audio Taping/Trading" (yes I know
> that's DATT). Because that's what we all care about.
> Not the tape format!
Yes, its actually been that way for a long time,
although I would omit the "Trading."
For straight out trading there are better lists,
but that just means "don't email your list
here," as you can offer/request shows just fine.
Those grovelling should have some relation to the
general topics of the list, which are location
and general digital recording.
This is less of an "engineering" list than it
was in the past, but its also less of a trading
list too. Technology discussions are what are
most encouraged, but anyone that has stuck with
the list can deal with the trading traffic too. [The
bad trader stuff can get a bit much at times, but
there is no real good way to deal with that problem.]
Just my opinion.
Sean
From: "Tim Call" <sensi_1013@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO Recent Dylan
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:18:56 -0500
Hey All
....am lookin for Baltimore and or any very recent Bob Dylan recordings!
Have ton's of Dylan as well as other gems to trade! Thanks in advance....tim
bwt...Bela Fleck & Flecktones-2cdr's for a few
8-5-02 Madison Theater, Peoria IL
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From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: microphone Q regarding crowd participation
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:49:13 EDT
Hey people,
There had to be at least a half dozen of us taping at Coldplay Bimbo's last
Sunday (Aug 18) anyway I finally have taken a few minutes to listen to my own
recording. During the hitpopular "Yellow" the lead singer (they'd be the
Chris Martin Band if they were American) turned his mic to the crowd so they
could sing the chorus (despite already 2 mics pointed to the crowd) while the
band played; this occured towards the latter third of the song. It felt
rather annoying and stupid to me, but I can be rather rude.
In listening to my copy, I noticed that I really didn't capture this crowd
participation - it's completely drowned out by the band playing on stage. I
distinctly heard and observed it at the concert, but to a person who didn't
attend this show, it's probably completely unnoticeable that this happened.
So did I do anything wrong, resulting in my not capturing the crowd's moment
of glory? I use sonic studios and an M1, and I'm curious why my recording
doesn't have it. I did notice some bits of crowd noise and chatter inbetween
songs or during quiet moments. I naturally am glad to not have it, but
wondered what I did wrong, if anything. I don't know if the other tapers did
catch the audience participation during "Yellow" because I never thought to
ask about it until just right now. I was standing amongst tapers (ie, in the
proper spot) so it's not like I was taping this from the bathroom or bar.
Just curious! Any comments/etc appreciated as well, maybe there's something I
should know so please please tell me now.
bwt: 2 cdr b/p for this show, leadtime of 1 to 365 days, I'm just too busy to
be able to handle doing anything right now and I'm far behind on swaps, but I
can't refuse to offer bwt on this beloved list.
Mike
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