DAT-heads Digest #444
Contents:
FS:Pioneer D-HS5 96k DAT deck $325 low hours! (JHudson199@aol.com)
iso: explosions in the sky ("john van")
Non windows OS input question ("Jason Arndt")
Re: EAC CRC numbers ("Roger A Golliver")
scsi card and plex's for sale ("Jamie Lutch")
re: split omnis ("Stanley W. Smith")
yes la grovel & new universal amph security ("oleg grinshpan")
Dickie Betts taping (Colin Liston)
ProgDay Festival ("DRider")
re: split omnis (Todd Romero)
Looking for David Bowie at the Gorge (marc pfisterer)
Extra Stones tickets (Jmratman@aol.com)
Re: re: split omnis... ("Stanley W. Smith")
Re: microphone Q regarding crowd participation ("Stanley W. Smith")
ISO: Mary Ramsey / John And Mary / Modern 10k Maniacs (Scott Goodwin)
ISO Third World Taping policy (Colin Liston)
Fellow DAT Head/collector (w/a monster of a collection...please read) (Dave-fortyacrerock)
From: JHudson199@aol.com
Subject: FS:Pioneer D-HS5 96k DAT deck $325 low hours!
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:25:41 -0400
Pioneer D-hs5 home dat deck. This is the exact same thing as a Tascam da-20 or Fostex d-5. This unit features 96k/16,48 and 44.1 recording. It does have SCMS as this was a japanese consumer model.Includes voltage converter. This deck has under 80 hours of use and is in perfect working order. E-mail me for photos. $325 plus $15 for UPS shipping. I can accept visa/mc through paypal.com
From: "john van" <jvan1975@hotmail.com>
Subject: iso: explosions in the sky
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:31:49 -0500
I taped Explosions in the Sky 8-23-02 Mary Janes, Houston, first night of
their new tour, w/ an AT822 on a 9' stand >M1. Looking for any tapes that
surface from the tour ( 2 remaining U.S. dates then the rest in Europe)
Also looking for someone in the U.K. who could tape their John Peel Session
on BBC radio on Sep 18.
From: "Jason Arndt" <litsnsirn@attbi.com>
Subject: Non windows OS input question
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:30:18 -0500
Are there any input/editing programs and/or PCI cards that work outside of
the Windows9x operating systems? Stuff compatible with Linux or WIndows NT
or 2000? Thinking about a change and was just wondering, I saw that my Core
2 isn't supported.
From: "Roger A Golliver" <golliver@easystreet.com>
Subject: Re: EAC CRC numbers
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:20:25 -0700
When I was a branch on the Dylantree.org's
9 CD-R Never Ending Tour (NET) Covers collections.
I decided to test some the EAC features.
I have a Plextor 40/10/16a drive, on a windows 2k pc.
I went to the work of ripping a cd as a single image,
burning it, and re-ripping the image. then I set the
set the combined read/write offset values in EAC.
I then re-burned the original image, and re-ripped that.
I got exactly the same bits, the both had the same CRC,
*and* they both had the same md5 check sum (which is better then the CRC).
So for the 45 CDs i burned, i ripped each one and check their md5s.
If the burn/rip was without errors the md5's always matched.
I new then that at least on my CD drive, EAC was making perfect copies.
Roger
From: "Jamie Lutch" <reconstruction@thegrid.net>
Subject: scsi card and plex's for sale
Reply-To: <jamie@dankseeds.org>
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:05:59 -0700
40plex wide
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2048622071
12/10/32S
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2048620214
I also have a scsi card I can let go for cheap, tho its not listed right now
-Jamie
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From: "Stanley W. Smith" <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: re: split omnis
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:24:41 -0500
Or bring a spool of suitable tie-line and fly the 8' spreader bar, mics,
cables and all
overhead and completely out of the way. This is how it works in most of the
symphony
halls I've ever been in...
Stan Smith
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU
Subject: split omnis
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:24:41 -0700 (PDT)
? 2 mics, 8 feet apart ?
why not run two separate stands?
-rand0m
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From: "oleg grinshpan" <alittledropofpoison@hotmail.com>
Subject: yes la grovel & new universal amph security
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:36:46 -0700
Hi there. Anyone get a decent recording of yes 8-23-02?
Tried out a new stealth mic setup....apparently not for shows with electric
bass....
big changes @ universal amph., no metal detectors, no patdown.
grovel tax: rush 7-19-02 milwaukee or yes 7-22-02 denver.
thanks.
oleg.
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From: Colin Liston <cliston@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: Dickie Betts taping
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:56:07 -0400 (EDT)
Does Dickie allow board access?
thanks
colin
From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@attbi.com>
Subject: ProgDay Festival
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:15:49 -0400
The 8th annual ProgDay festival will take place over Labor Day weekend in
Chapel Hill, North Carolina. The years lineup includes Djam Karet, Happy
The Man, Kraan, The Muffins, Tempano, Avant Garden, Thieve's Kitchen, and
IZZ. For details visit the ProgDay web site at http://www.progday.com
Djam Karet is worth doing this show alone!!
If anyone plans on attending this event, please contact me.
Peace & Prog,
D-Rider
From: Todd Romero <todd@routeflap.net>
Subject: re: split omnis
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:09:53 -0400 (EDT)
am i missing something here with the issue of running "splits"? wouldnt
you get a horribly out of phase tape by running a "split"? enlighten me
how the tape wouldnt be greatly suceptible to phase cancellation?
On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Stanley W. Smith wrote:
> Or bring a spool of suitable tie-line and fly the 8' spreader bar, mics,
> cables and all
> overhead and completely out of the way. This is how it works in most of the
> symphony
> halls I've ever been in...
>
> Stan Smith
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU
> Subject: split omnis
> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:24:41 -0700 (PDT)
>
> ? 2 mics, 8 feet apart ?
>
> why not run two separate stands?
>
> -rand0m
>
>
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From: marc pfisterer <eazywind@mindspring.com>
Subject: Looking for David Bowie at the Gorge
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:25:48 -0700
SSIA. Anyone have a copy of the Gorge, WA David Bowie show? Had a very
old friend go and she would love a copy. Peace, Marc
From: Jmratman@aol.com
Subject: Extra Stones tickets
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:37:57 -0400
I've got 2 Stones tickets for Foxboro, MA 9/5/02 Sec. 143 Row 16 seats 17/18.
I'm looking to break even which is $310/pair including all those wonderful Ticketmaster charges. You pay for registered postage. They might go on e-bay if I can't move them here.
Jim Ratner
Cape Eliz., ME
From: "Stanley W. Smith" <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: re: split omnis...
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:53:04 -0500
(I really should read _all_ of the Digest =before= I post on a topic... ;) )
Something about mic stands taped to the floor, cables slung under the seats,
and scruffy techies wandering amongst the high-dollar suits and Symphony
patrons
to adjust the mics seems to ruffle them a bit... Invisibility, discretion
and tact are
what's needed.
The usual methodology is to locate an X/Y / ORTF / or some sort of near
coincident
stereo pair (yes, including your Jeclkin disc, Tom... ;) ) up above, and
slightly behind the
conductors' head, which captures the location/placement information of the
orchestra as
they are on the stage. Then a widely spaced pair is flown (20'-30' apart...
appx. )
30'-60' back from the front pair, so as to capture the late reverb
reflections and hall ambience,
then blended in to the mix. (It's sort of like a stretched Decca tree, but
expanded to fit the
larger soundstage of a concert hall... )
Other spot mics are sometimes used to fill in 'holes' in the stereo image,
especially when
there's a choral piece in the program, and the choir is located some
distance away from the
orchestra proper... 4 mic mixes are common, 6 a bit less, and I've seen 8
mic mixes, but the
classical recordists tend to stay away from multiple sourced stuff on
grounds of phase inaccuracy
(and perhaps the difficulty of comping an entire orchestra? ;) ).
Stan Smith
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: Tom McCreadie <mccreadi@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Tall (13ft+) Mic stand recommendations
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:57:40 +0200
From Mac in #441
>I'm finding myself in need of a tall mic stand (12-13ft or more), which I=
=20
>am thinking to use with a 6-8 foot cross-bar for a pair of omni mics, in=20
>"spaced omni" mode (for classical and organ music). <snip>
>Also, any comments on whether this sort of setup is viable? (likely to get=
=20
>knocked over, etc)?
That setup is unwieldy and unrealistic...and financially dicey in the US
with its enthusiastic medical litigation culture <g>. If you insist on
wide-spaced omni's, consider suspending on a laterally-strung rope, or two
stands - the latter a probable no-no in an audience-filled hall.=20
The problem with a single stand is that a sufficiently sturdy model has too
big a footprint, blocking the central aisle and apoplexing the fire chief.
Also they are then clumsy overkill for less demanding recording situations.
As a compromise, you could check out the 13' Manfrotto 'Masterstand' light
stand, art. 004 / pivoting clamp, art. 124 / 6' light boom, art. 024
(Article nrs alas from an ancient Manfrotto European catalog). I often use
that system, legs heavily weighted, in conventional boom mode to manoeuvre
my mic pair to the "even sweeter spot" <g>. By setting the boom horizontal
you could almost get a 6' A-B, but note then that the pivot clamp does not
fit the topmost segment of the stand, so you would only have about 9-10'
height.
But why a wide-spaced A-B? To my ears, the imaging swims like a fish and
you could drive a London doubledecker bus through the 'hole in the middle'.
Try first a 50-60 cm A-B omni spacing. For this you only need a cheap 50 cm
T-bar (with multi-perforation, this bar is also good for X-Y or parallel
recording using two arrays etc.) And even better for imaging is a baffled
omni array such as a Jecklin Disk- mics 18 cm apart, with a central
LP-sized baffle plate. Who knows, you might find a good organ, good hall
and a JD to be a m=E9nage =E0 trois made in Heaven <g>. Whoops...starting
t=
o
digress.
Tom
Tinnitus is a pain in the neck.
From: Tom McCreadie <mccreadi@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Tall (13ft+) Mic stand recommendations
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:57:40 +0200
From Mac in #441
>I'm finding myself in need of a tall mic stand (12-13ft or more), which I=
=20
>am thinking to use with a 6-8 foot cross-bar for a pair of omni mics, in=20
>"spaced omni" mode (for classical and organ music). <snip>
>Also, any comments on whether this sort of setup is viable? (likely to get=
=20
>knocked over, etc)?
That setup is unwieldy and unrealistic...and financially dicey in the US
with its enthusiastic medical litigation culture <g>. If you insist on
wide-spaced omni's, consider suspending on a laterally-strung rope, or two
stands - the latter a probable no-no in an audience-filled hall.=20
The problem with a single stand is that a sufficiently sturdy model has too
big a footprint, blocking the central aisle and apoplexing the fire chief.
Also they are then clumsy overkill for less demanding recording situations.
As a compromise, you could check out the 13' Manfrotto 'Masterstand' light
stand, art. 004 / pivoting clamp, art. 124 / 6' light boom, art. 024
(Article nrs alas from an ancient Manfrotto European catalog). I often use
that system, legs heavily weighted, in conventional boom mode to manoeuvre
my mic pair to the "even sweeter spot" <g>. By setting the boom horizontal
you could almost get a 6' A-B, but note then that the pivot clamp does not
fit the topmost segment of the stand, so you would only have about 9-10'
height.
But why a wide-spaced A-B? To my ears, the imaging swims like a fish and
you could drive a London doubledecker bus through the 'hole in the middle'.
Try first a 50-60 cm A-B omni spacing. For this you only need a cheap 50 cm
T-bar (with multi-perforation, this bar is also good for X-Y or parallel
recording using two arrays etc.) And even better for imaging is a baffled
omni array such as a Jecklin Disk- mics 18 cm apart, with a central
LP-sized baffle plate. Who knows, you might find a good organ, good hall
and a JD to be a m=E9nage =E0 trois made in Heaven <g>. Whoops...starting
t=
o
digress.
Tom
Tinnitus is a pain in the neck.
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From: "Stanley W. Smith" <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: microphone Q regarding crowd participation
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:24:03 -0500
(One more, & then I'm going to go back into Pro Tools and get some work
done... ;) )
Let's see now... You heard the crowd sing, but the mics didn't... The mics
were in the
"section", sweet spot, etc., and surrounded by other tapers, who (usually)
don't talk too
often, or too loudly when they do while the music is playing.
Your ears are much more sensitive than the mics, better at tuning out
unwanted sounds,
and much better at focusing in on what you direct your attention to.
The "hold the mic out to the audience to encourage them to sing" trick is
usually a visual bit...
The pattern on a typical vocal mic for onstage use w/ amplified music is
super cardioid,
or hypercardioid (prevents feedback and adds isolation to the desired
source), and isn't
designed to capture distant sounds, so it's unlikely that it actually
grabbed much of the
audience singing at all. Most probably the monitor engineer muted the mic
before the artist
did the rehearsed "htmottatetts" bit anyway... ;)
I don't know about the "2 mics pointed to the crowd" thing, but I'd suspect
that they may
have been either running to multi-track tape as fill tracks to capture crowd
response, or used
to add the same in to the bands in-ear monitors, which supposedly helps them
play better...
(always a debateable point when dealing w/ the new crop of MTV heavy
rotation bands... ;) )
Either one is possible, and I've used the same set of mics to do both at
the same time before...
I'd say it's most likely the psychoacoustics thing (No, not the soundtrack
for an Alfred Hitchcock
film... ;) ) and you're not doing anything wrong at all... You heard it,
but the less sensitive mics
didn't.
Stan Smith
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: microphone Q regarding crowd participation
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:49:13 EDT
Hey people,
There had to be at least a half dozen of us taping at Coldplay Bimbo's last
Sunday (Aug 18) anyway I finally have taken a few minutes to listen to my
own
recording. During the hitpopular "Yellow" the lead singer (they'd be the
Chris Martin Band if they were American) turned his mic to the crowd so they
could sing the chorus (despite already 2 mics pointed to the crowd) while
the
band played; this occured towards the latter third of the song. It felt
rather annoying and stupid to me, but I can be rather rude.
In listening to my copy, I noticed that I really didn't capture this crowd
participation - it's completely drowned out by the band playing on stage. I
distinctly heard and observed it at the concert, but to a person who didn't
attend this show, it's probably completely unnoticeable that this happened.
So did I do anything wrong, resulting in my not capturing the crowd's moment
of glory? I use sonic studios and an M1, and I'm curious why my recording
doesn't have it. I did notice some bits of crowd noise and chatter
inbetween
songs or during quiet moments. I naturally am glad to not have it, but
wondered what I did wrong, if anything. I don't know if the other tapers
did
catch the audience participation during "Yellow" because I never thought to
ask about it until just right now. I was standing amongst tapers (ie, in
the
proper spot) so it's not like I was taping this from the bathroom or bar.
Just curious! Any comments/etc appreciated as well, maybe there's something
I
should know so please please tell me now.
bwt: 2 cdr b/p for this show, leadtime of 1 to 365 days, I'm just too busy
to
be able to handle doing anything right now and I'm far behind on swaps, but
I
can't refuse to offer bwt on this beloved list.
Mike
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From: Scott Goodwin <coryphaena_29403@juno.com>
Subject: ISO: Mary Ramsey / John And Mary / Modern 10k Maniacs
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:04:55 -0700
Much to trade for any recordings of Mary Ramsey in any of her
incarnations...
Please get in touch -
c.
From: Colin Liston <cliston@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: ISO Third World Taping policy
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:02:41 -0400 (EDT)
Anyone know what the taping policy of Third World is these days?
thanks
colin
From: Dave-fortyacrerock <digitaldimar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fellow DAT Head/collector (w/a monster of a collection...please read)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:43:02 -0700 (PDT)
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