DAT-heads Digest #445
Contents:
Re: Tall (13ft+) Mic stand recommendations ("mboden1579")
Re: stones > who trade (Dgowc1st@aol.com)
Geovel: Aimee Mann/KCRW (Bill Stewart)
ISO: Tom Petty 7/20/02 Charlotte (Facesplashed@aol.com)
re: Tall (13ft+) Mic stand... spaced omnis, etc (Malcolm Hathaway)
ISO: Ray Wylie Hubbard (Richard Levy)
FS: HHB porta dat (kristi jo)
Re: EAC CRC (Keith Bode)
Re: EAC CRC (Seth Breidbart)
iso: a couple of morrissey '02 shows (GaoBest@aol.com)
Cable Modem FTP ?? (-bob)
Howie Day 2002-07-16 2 downloads ("Jason Green")
FT Phil and Friends West Palm 7-28 ("paul gluchanicz")
Modest Mouse Taping Policy? ("Andy Liu")
FA: Denecke AD-20 ("Ashevillain")
Re: EAC CRC numbers (Mark McHarg)
Re: EAC CRC numbers (Mark McHarg)
Keller Williams 4.26.02 at the Recher ("Joe Totoraitis")
From: "mboden1579" <mboden1579@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tall (13ft+) Mic stand recommendations
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:47:26 -0700
check out the following linkes from the Audio Engineering Associates
website:
http://www.wesdooley.com/Modular_Microphone_Stands.html
http://www.wesdooley.com/Microphone_Array_Positioners.html
http://www.wesdooley.com/ds_SMP_and_Decca.html
http://www.wesdooley.com/pdf/mmpguide.pdf
http://www.wesdooley.com/pdf/DeccaTreeD2.pdf
they offer a wide variety of heavy duty stands and mic mounts. also, they
offer a Decca Tree setup, which is a classic technique for recording
orchestral stuff. check into that technique if you've never used it. many an
orchestra has been recorded with it. anyway, these types of things are not
cheap, but they are of top quality that many scoring stages use.
mike
>From: Mac <mhathaway@netway.com>
>Subject: Tall (13ft+) Mic stand recommendations
>Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:07:12 -0400
>
>Hey Folks,
>
>I'm finding myself in need of a tall mic stand (12-13ft or more), which I
>am thinking to use with a 6-8 foot cross-bar for a pair of omni mics, in
>.spaced omni" mode (for classical and organ music). Any recommendations
>for tall stands like this (with model numbers, if possible). Black is the
>preferred color. There seem to be a whole host of Bogen/Manfrotto tripod
>stands, but they usually don't say "mic" stand, so I'm not sure which ones
>are really appropriate for this. If you have one for sale, even
>better. I've several music stores and even Boston Sound and Light, and
>everyone seems mystified about really tall stands.
>
>Also, any comments on whether this sort of setup is viable? (likely to get
>knocked over, etc)? The crowds will not be unruly, (for the most part!),
>and wind won't be a problem. You reckon it's asking too much to put both
>mics on a cross-bar like this?
>
>Thanks for the input.
>
>Mac
>
>
>------------------------------
From: Dgowc1st@aol.com
Subject: Re: stones > who trade
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:49:43 EDT
>>>>>snip<<<<<<
Sorry everyone, but I felt I had to respond here as Scott felt he needed to
bring it to this forum. Yes, the *face* value on the Aragon/Roseland Stones
tickets are $50. This does not take into count the assorted add on fees and
the $95 Rolling Stones *fan club* fee that was paid.
<<<<<<end snip>>>>>>
i dont mean to question anyones math, or integrity, but i've seen the "$95
fan club" charge included in a couple of other posts, on several different
lists, and as i understood it, wasnt it more like a 50-65$ fee for a sam
goody membership to buy advance ticket sales or something like that? if i'm
wrong, i'm sure someone will correct me.
dont the benefits of joining the club to buy advance sale tickets extend to
the original purchaser, for a year or something like that? why then should
someones joining a pre advance ticket buying club be wholly rolled into the
purchase of only one pair of tickets? dont special offers and free tickets
come with the membership? if you were to forward all those perks to the
person who you are passing that charge onto, then it would be justifiable,
but i doubt that would ever be done. dont mean to say the person looking for
the stones > who swap is doing anything wrong at all, just trying to be sure
i understood the "$95" surcharge fee that i've seen quoted as different
prices/different things
From: Bill Stewart <wks@ncia.net>
Subject: Geovel: Aimee Mann/KCRW
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:19:54 -0400
Aimee Mann will be on KCRW's Morning Becomes Eclectic on Tuesday August 27.
I would love to trade for a copy (preferably on cd).
Thanks for reading,
Bill
From: Facesplashed@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Tom Petty 7/20/02 Charlotte
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:42:35 EDT
I'm still looking for Tom Petty 7/20/02 Charlotte on cdr. I know that it's
out there. Please drop me a line if you're not afraid to trade it.
Thanks,
Daniel
From: Malcolm Hathaway <mhathaway@netway.com>
Subject: re: Tall (13ft+) Mic stand... spaced omnis, etc
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:56:56 -0400
Hey folks,
Thanks for all the suggestions, both on- and off-list. I have to say, you
guys are great.
As for a single stand vs. two stands, as Stan said, discreet is the name of
the game with classical, so I figured one stand would be better than two,
as long as I don't need to spread the mics out two much. I figured I'd
need a sandbag or somesuch, to prevent anyone getting poleaxed if things
ever get tippy.
Even better is to hang them, as Tom and Stan mentioned (I bought my spool
of fishing line just for that!) but time constraints and unaccomodating
venues (no place to tie stuff/no way to get to it/Reverend Bob says "Hell
no, you're not hanging that from St. Bernadette's ear") suggest that I have
a "plan B", such as a stand.
What I have heard, especially regarding organ recording, is that a single
spaced omni set is just the ticket. As I recall, the phase-cancellation
issue is more a problem for stuff that will be broadcast on radio, as the
broadcasting signals have a problem with cancellation. However, I don't
actually understand why this *wouldn't* be a problem, even for regular
listening. Maybe it has to do with the sound source being spread out
rather than all (mostly) coming from two speaker stacks. To be honest, I
haven't done a gig yet, so the issue of how far to the separate the mics is
still open. Based on what I've read, you generally put the mics 1/3 and
2/3 across the front of the group, which, unless it is a big chorus or
orchestra, generally isn't a lot more than an 8 ft spread, centered on the
middle of the group. Larger groups require a center mic, etc. but I'm not
there yet. Does anyone have experience with spaced omnis in this
arrangement? The "hole in the middle" is something I'm a little concerned
about, but I figured just keeping the mics within 6-8 feet would minimize
this, and the expense of a wide image. Is this correct?
Right now I'm puzzling over whether the 13ft Bogen or the 17ft will be
better. The 13 footer has little air-shocks to prevent the raised sections
from slamming down when you loosen the locknuts at the end of the night
(bad for mics and fingers, I'm told). The 17 footer gets further from the
audience, and possible gets the mics up to a better spot if you're working
in a church or big hall. Of course, it'll be more tippy. Any thoughts
about this?
Again, thanks for all the input...
Mac
Maynard MA
From: Richard Levy <liverich@sunlink.net>
Subject: ISO: Ray Wylie Hubbard
Reply-To: liverich@sunlink.net
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:20:17 -0400
Have something amazing to trade if you have more by him. Please reply
only if you do. Rich
From: kristi jo <kirstejo@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: HHB porta dat
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
it comes w/home power source
1 eco charge 12v battery w/out cable
AES cable
i would like $1600 for the unit but will take best
offer.
36hrs on heads
thanks,
christi
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From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: EAC CRC
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:11:35 -0700
On many lists I have seen it claimed that md5 is a better checksum than
CRC. I have yet to see anyone explain that claim. It simply is claimed
as fact, like there is O2 in the atmosphere. As far as I can see the
only advantage is that md5 can be run on a command line or other
programs, while CRC, you have to compare the hexadecimal results one to
another. If someone could explain logically how the md5 is more
accurate at adding then I will be able to understand why it's better.
Until then, the claim that the md5 is better is about as well supported
as the Warren Commission Report, IMO.
Naturally, I use the md5 myself, as it's the accepted standard, but IMO
DAE with a good CD-ROM, one designed for DAE, like a Plextor, yeilds as
reliable results as using SHN.
Keith
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: EAC CRC
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 01:35:16 -0400 (EDT)
> On many lists I have seen it claimed that md5 is a better checksum than
> CRC. I have yet to see anyone explain that claim.
md5 has more bits than CRC, so it's much less likely to have an
accidental collision--that is, the chances of two different files
matching is lower.
Also (and this probably isn't important in this context), md5 is
cryptographically hard, so creating two files that match (for
malicious purposes) is very difficult.
Also (and this might matter), it's more likely that CRC will get the
same result for two files that differ by some simple modification,
such as adding a few samples.
Seth
From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: iso: a couple of morrissey '02 shows
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 01:44:21 EDT
SSIA, basically it's for a friend (isn't everything), and I could swap/etc.
but pref on CDR. I did tape the two Moz '99 maritime gigs and taped coldplay
last week, have other shit I taped as well plus bbc etc., lists etc available.
ta
Mike
gaobest@aol.com
From: -bob <nattyfret@yahoo.com>
Subject: Cable Modem FTP ??
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 06:11:25 -0700 (PDT)
Is it possible to set up an FTP server and put it out
through a DHCP cable connection ?
If anyone has a little time to try a download,
I will share-out TOO-2002-8-3 SHN and
WB2002-03-01(Waybacks -bluegrass) on my FTP and give
them my assigned DHCP IP.
This should be good for 24 hours, if cable co. doesn't
block it. I would start on Sunday Eve. 8/25 and
conclude the test on Monday 8/26 24 hours later.
E-mail me to set up an time and I'll give you
log-in/pass
I would like D/L speed information, if log-in works.
If sucessful, I'll try a multi-connection test
shortly.
I would also like to test releasing, if an FTP is in
progress at lease expiration.
See You on the Other Side,
-bob
http://www.etree.org/traderz
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From: "Jason Green" <admin@groove-salad.com>
Subject: Howie Day 2002-07-16 2 downloads
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:52:19 -0500
I've got two great shows for you. One is a matrix, the other is a
soundboard. You can download the shows here:
Matrix:
http://groove-salad.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=52
Soundboard:
http://groove-salad.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43
enjoy!
Jason
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From: "paul gluchanicz" <paulphish@hotmail.com>
Subject: FT Phil and Friends West Palm 7-28
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:43:12 +0000
have smokin set from 7-28 looking for the Other Ones at Alpine 2002
non mp3 source. email me.
also looking for any Dylan from August 2002.
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From: "Andy Liu" <dwonk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Modest Mouse Taping Policy?
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:13:32 -0700
Anybody have a contact or know if it is cool to bring a rig to tape them?
ANDY
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From: "Ashevillain" <crosseyedjim@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: FA: Denecke AD-20
Reply-To: "Ashevillain" <crosseyedjim@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:18:20 -0400
Subject says it.
Ebay Item # 1376101236
peace
cliff
From: Mark McHarg <frankophile@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: EAC CRC numbers
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 20:40:24 +0100
> From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
>
> As mentined by Mark, I have thought about including the CRC numbers for
> each track. It would be handy to have, as well as verifying the
> accuracy of the extraction. I don't know if the CRC would always turn
> out the same, but it seems it should. It would be a way to counter
> claims of SHN's inherint accuracy over DAE. If the same checksums were
> consistently acheived, it would seem the Bit for Bit accuracy that we
> can't hear could be proven.
The big problem with this is offset. If you move the track marks by just
one sample all the CRCs change drastically.
I always use full-disc CRCs, which works for me because I use CDRwin
with .cue files for tracking. Unfortunately a lot of people use burning
s/w that doesn't support .cue files so it won't work for everyone.
Still, even if I only keep my own CRCs it allows me to check my own clones.
But this allows me to rant about track-based extraction in general.
If you extract a bunch of tracks and one comes out wrong, it's
tempting to just go back and do that track again. But then EAC's
track synchronisation doesn't work because it no longer has a context
to check against.
I've noticed with track-based extraction that I occasionally get an
inserted or deleted sample at the track boundaries. This was before
EAC had its current track synchronisation strategy. I haven't done
any checks since then.
- mark
From: Mark McHarg <frankophile@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: EAC CRC numbers
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:20:09 +0100
"Roger A Golliver" <golliver@easystreet.com>
points out that
> md5 check sum is better then the [EAC] CRC.
This is true. MD5 gives you a one in 2^128 chance of error
(2 to the power of 128 is a 3 with 38 zeros after it).
EAC only uses 32 bits for its CRC which provides one chance in 2^32
(a 4 with 9 zeros after it).
This is the probability of getting the right CRC with the wrong data.
Assuming 10-minute extractions around the clock, the EAC CRC will miss
an incorrect extraction about once in 80 thousand years.
And since EAC gives me its checksum for free it means I don't need
to run md5 on every extraction.
- mark
From: "Joe Totoraitis" <rockumal@hotmail.com>
Subject: Keller Williams 4.26.02 at the Recher
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:40:47 -0500
I received discs from someone who says he got them direct from the AUD
taper. While I'm grateful just to have them I'd like to match the discs
with lineage if possible. If anyone here taped (or knows the taper) I'd
love to hear from you.
Joe Totoraitis
rockumal@hotmail.com
WOB: TOO 08/04/02 FOB Schoeps 64v>MMe (SHN format)
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