DAT-heads Digest #446
Contents:
Yoko Ono (Michael Brooker)
ISO SPRINGSTEEN DETROIT or LA (Frank Wong)
Ego Sys (drnmail@attbi.com)
VCD recorder (Jeff Holmgren)
FS: Beyer MV-100 ("Dan McCarthy")
Dat to CD problem.... ("Ernie Ensign")
Portland Taper Needed - Everclear, Death Cab for Cutie ("Andy Swinburnson")
ISO: The Gotan Project ("Erik B")
trading tickets and membership fees ("Hance, Bill")
ISO:Tool Buffalo 8/23 ("Arnold, Joseph")
Sheryl Crow ("Thomas Avallone")
ISO Foo Fighters @ Reading / Leeds ("Andrew .")
stones fan club and ticket price whine ("Bob Siegl")
MD files > a Mac?? How to? (Jay Lyons)
Get Ready !!! Official " Who" SBD's ("Tatina, Bill")
CRC vs md5 (Keith Bode)
Counting Crows Official Taping Policy (Jeff Lester)
FS: Brand New Sennheiser E825S microphones (Keith Bode)
Lost Oade 7 Pin Digi Cable at Jones Beach Allmans Show! (ISTEIN2@aol.com)
Re: CRC vs md5 ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
Re: CRC vs md5 (Keith Bode)
FS: Aeta / EAA-PSP2 (Bryan Austin)
From: Michael Brooker <hirakemike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Yoko Ono
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:13:48 -0700 (PDT)
Hello!
Is anyone here interested in trading Yoko Ono
material? I have over a dozen shows (Rising,
Starpeace, YES Yoko Ono) and am looking to trade for
more!
Any help appreciated!
Thanks, Mike
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From: Frank Wong <fwong111@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO SPRINGSTEEN DETROIT or LA
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:15:12 -0700 (PDT)
Looking for Detroit & LA Springsteen shows from Rising
Tour. I have most of the other shows to trade.
Thanks,
Frank Wong
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From: drnmail@attbi.com
Subject: Ego Sys
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:16:30 -0400
Anyone have any opinion on the Ego-Sys U24 or 2496?
Please email privately.
Thanks in advance.
From: Jeff Holmgren <cherise@dtgnet.com>
Subject: VCD recorder
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:24:19 -0500
just was wondering if anyone out there uses a vcd recorder..i am looking
for a used one..plmk
thanx,
-jeff
From: "Dan McCarthy" <mccar28@attbi.com>
Subject: FS: Beyer MV-100
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:55:54 -0400
Hi,
I am selling my Beyer MV-100. I do not use it anymore since I
picked up a different pre. So I was thinking it would be better in
someone else's hands then just sitting in the box. If interested
or have questions about it send an email to mccar24@hotmail.com.
Thanks!
-Dan
From: "Ernie Ensign" <ensign@core.com>
Subject: Dat to CD problem....
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:36:41 -0400
Ok, I've transfered one of my dats to my hard drive but am left with a
dilemma, how can I keep the show intact without breaks in between songs,
yet have the tracks numbered on the CD, with a new number on each track...
As opposed to just one big wave file, that's just labeled track one.... Is
there a way...
right now I'm using a soundblaster extigy card, with their software... The
sony vaio came with soundforge... but it doesn't appear to be any way to use
that to create multiple tacks.... My other option is to break the show up
into individual tracks, and I would like to avoid that if possible...
Thanks in advance...
ernie
From: "Andy Swinburnson" <swinburnson1@attbi.com>
Subject: Portland Taper Needed - Everclear, Death Cab for Cutie
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 20:39:39 -0700
Looking for someone in the Portland, OR area that might be hitting the 'Bite
of Portland' festival Aug. 30th. or someone who might be willing to.
Everclear is playing, but I'm mostly interested in the second band 'Death
Cab for Cutie'. Alien Crime Syndicate is the first band on. Tickets are
$25 through fastixx.com. Please email me off list if you are going, or
could possibly go.
I can help out with $$ or whatever...
-Andy
From: "Erik B" <erikb33@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: ISO: The Gotan Project
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:38:42 -0400
If anybody out there has anything besides their excellent album, please drop
me a line. I saw them in London in April and was mesmerized.
thanks,
Erik
erikb33@bellatlantic.net
From: "Hance, Bill" <BHance@BroadViewNet.com>
Subject: trading tickets and membership fees
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:59:04 -0400
In my opinion, if you sell a ticket for more than the ticket cost, it's
scalping. If you paid for a Sam Goody membership, or spent $10 on the toll
call to get through to TicketMaster, or used up your free minutes, or spent
an hour of your time driving to the ticket master window in the process of
purchasing the ticket, those are the costs you unfortunately absorb if you
find yourself unable to go to the show due to a schedule conflict or an
unplanned circumstance. To pass them off as part of the cost of the ticket
is shady at best.
-Bill
From: "Arnold, Joseph" <Joseph.Arnold@SDMS.USA.XEROX.COM>
Subject: ISO:Tool Buffalo 8/23
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:13:24 -0400
Hi All,
What a show, got about 10th row, PA was LOUD. Not 100% happy with my
tape, just looking for another source of this killer show. Anybody got a
nice one? I also did Syracuse in the stands with mixed results.
Thanks,
Joe
From: "Thomas Avallone" <tav2367@msn.com>
Subject: Sheryl Crow
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:27:07 +0000
I just returned from the East Coast, and I have the following Sheryl Crow
recordings ready for trade on cdr:
* 8/11/02 Tinley Park, IL
* 8/15/02 Virginia Beach, VA
* 8/16/02 Camden, NJ
* 8/17/02 Mansfield, MA
* 8/18/02 Manchester, VT
I also have '1' TRAIN opening set from 8/16 Camden NJ. Looking for other
newer Sheryl Crow recordings if all possible.
See website for details:
www.tav2367.20m.com
Also, tickets for Sheryl Crow at the HOB in Chicago went on sale while I was
away, and I got shut out. The show SOLD OUT within minutes. If anyone has
any connections for "3" tickets, I certainly can use them.
Tom
"I've heard there's joy untold
Lays open like a road
In front of me"
~ PJ Harvey
http://www.tav2367.20m.com/
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From: "Andrew ." <gun_beside_my_bed@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO Foo Fighters @ Reading / Leeds
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:01:36 +0000
Looking for both shows, any source, DAT, MD hell even analog. Does anyone
know if Leeds was radio broadcast this year? I know 2000 was.
Also looking for any other recent Foo Fighters shows and lots of older
stuff. Email me lists :)
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From: "Bob Siegl" <kindnation@hotmail.com>
Subject: stones fan club and ticket price whine
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:05:04 +0000
I signed up for the "Get (no) Access" ticket offer for the stones. The
server crashed immediately and very few tickets were purchased for the
hometown that day. I paid something like $60. If I got tickets and didnt
want them, I would most certainly want to recoup the money spent for get
(NO) access. If the buyer did not want the tickets, I would politely ask
him or her to look to purchase Rolling Stones tickets for face value shortly
before the show from some other kind soul.
ps - i dont see myself using my 60$ membership any time soon. they have not
sent me squat in terms of getting access to anything worthwhile.
Would someone like to buy my Get Access membership? I will sell it for $40.
thats like 33% off! what a bargain.
The grim reality is - if you want to make up front tapes, one must often
engage the dark side and scalp tickets. agencies often control ticket
outlets and venue box offices, and get the first pull from the machine. I
often pay extra for the right seat and we all know the seat you sit in is
every bit as important and the rig you run.... and dont give me any crap for
being a "stealth" (god i'm sick of that term) taper or i'll scream.
adios
bob
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From: Jay Lyons <jayl@fdn.com>
Subject: MD files > a Mac?? How to?
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:56:12 -0400
Hi,
An electronically challenged friend asked me if I knew how to get Minidisk
files into a Mac computer. Well, since I have a pc and only use dat's I
really couldn't help him other than to tell him to try a google search.
In the meantime, I thought I'd try and pick some brains over here for him.
Can anyone help with this?
I'm expecting to have to transfer/convert the MD format(? which is what?)
into a wave file. Could someone point out the s/w needed and methods used?
Will it take a DFT from Core Sound perhaps?
All this for a Mac and I don't know which os, sorry.
All the best,
Jay
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: Get Ready !!! Official " Who" SBD's
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:10:41 -0700
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From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: CRC vs md5
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:25:12 -0700
just a quick gut feeling on my continuing doubts. If there are more
bits in a md5 than a CRC it seems te likelyhood of a data colision would
be increased not decreased.
Also, if a CRC is a hexadecimel checksum, it seems that any adding of
samples, or removing of samples would absolutely change the checksum
results. I would think that a CRC is a simpler algorithim, as it has
far fewer symbols, so why wouldn't simpler be as good to simply verify
accuracy?
From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.sp.trw.com>
Subject: Counting Crows Official Taping Policy
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:28:20 -0700 (PDT)
Counting Crows and Adam Duritz in particular have long stated they didn't
care if people recorded and traded their shows, but they never instituted
an official policy until now:
http://www.countingcrows.com/taping_policy.html
-Jeff Lester
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: FS: Brand New Sennheiser E825S microphones
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:34:09 -0700
I screwed up big time yesterday on an auction on ebay. I am setting up
a live recording setup to record bands, miking everything seperately. I
want to be able to record in either a make sift studio or live, with
commercial CD quality. These ae not mic's you would use to do an
auience recording, they are vocal and possibly used to mike an amp.
They have switches, as some don't. Anyway, I have 4 to sell, and I can
pass them along at what I paid which is dirt cheap for these
microphones, $72 shipped. A friend uses one to sing and his feeling is
it blows away the Shue SM58.
Keith
From: ISTEIN2@aol.com
Subject: Lost Oade 7 Pin Digi Cable at Jones Beach Allmans Show!
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:37:32 EDT
The subject title says it all. I lent out my SBM-1 to another taper along
with an Oade cable (which I plugged into the SBM-1 myself) at the Jones Beach
Allman Brothers show on 8/13/02, and didn't get back the Oade cable when my
friend went over to pick up my equipment. The taper who I lent the equipment
to told me that he never wound up using the SBM-1 and doesn't know what
happened to the cable. He checked his equipment bags and couldn't find it.
My guess is that some other taper looking for a patch used my cable to get
himself a digital patch (instead of an analog patch), and then packed up my
Oade cable with his DAT deck and left the venue. There were about a
half-dozen tapers patching out of that rig, and it could have been any one of
them. All I know is that I lent a perfectly good (and extremely rare now)
Oade cable so that another taper (and who ever patched out of him) could get
a better quality recording than they would have without an A/D converter, and
I'm missing my equipment after the show.
I'm not accusing anyone of taking it on purpose. It's totally possible that
everyone just packed up their equipment quickly, and the Oade cable wound up
in someone's bag by mistake. I see stuff like that happening all the time at
shows when everyone is packing up their equipment fast.
If you happened to be patching out of Michael Springer's rig at that Allmans
show, and now have an Oade cable (that you didn't have before the show),
please contact me by Email. I'd be happy to reward you for your honesty with
a bunch of shows on CD that you probably don't have. By the way, I
understand that those who taped this particular Allmans show at Jones Beach
have tons of wind on their tapes. All the other tapers I know (and there
were at least a dozen of them that I spoke with) have wind all through their
recording. That includes those who patched out of Michael Springer.
I have about the only recording with no wind to speak of on my recording. It
must have been the wind screens and mics that I used (AKG c568BE shots), but
my recording is clean of wind. I'd be happy to throw in this Allman show
with a bunch of other shows to the person who happened to find my Oade cable.
Thanks for the bandwidth! I'll be happy to send out this Allman Brothers
show to a few others who contact me quickly.
Yours,
Ira Steinkohl
(ISTEIN2@aol.com)
From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: CRC vs md5
Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:53:59 -0500 (CDT)
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Keith Bode wrote:
> just a quick gut feeling on my continuing doubts. If there are more
> bits in a md5 than a CRC it seems te likelyhood of a data colision would
> be increased not decreased.
I can't follow this reasoning.
Suppose I have a 1 bit checksum. Every file subjected to this algorithm
would give either a 1 or a 0. Any file would have a 0.5 chance of
collision. Add a bit and you get a 0.25 chance of collision. Every
bit, n, added decreases the odds agains collision by a factor of 1/n^2.
QED.
>
> Also, if a CRC is a hexadecimel checksum, it seems that any adding of
> samples, or removing of samples would absolutely change the checksum
> results. I would think that a CRC is a simpler algorithim, as it has
> far fewer symbols, so why wouldn't simpler be as good to simply verify
> accuracy?
>
In the case of a verifying a files integrity, CRC is just fine. MD5 was
designed to be cryprographically "strong" in that you cannot (with any
reasonably concievable amount of time and computing power) manipulate
a file to make it give the MD5 you want (i.e. you can't forge an MD5
signature). For all intents and purposes, it is a unique signature for
that and only that file. CRC can easily be manipulated but I can't see
that there could be anything to gain by doing this to a CD track. I
suppose as a joke, you could take a Brittany Spears song, twiddle a few
bits so that it gives the same CRC as Scarlet Begonias, and substitute
it on a disk, but that would be too cruel.
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
PGP Key ID 138BCEE1
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: CRC vs md5
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:15:48 -0700
Perhaps you've studied more Math and Statistics than I have, but I do
remember that if the odds of something happening are 1 in 2, then if you
do it 50 times, the odds of it happening on any given occasion remain 1
in 2. As simplified, if you flip a coin, the heads/tails odds are
50/50. If you flip the coin 1,000 times it is likely your results would
be 500/500, or damn close. Perhaps calculus has different computation,
but I never took Calculus. I was in an advanced algebra class once, and
the professor wrote some equation of the board. I remember him saying
"Assuming that......" and proceeded to say somethng that didn't make
sense.
I said "That assumption and equation doesn't make sense". he replied,
"Yes, but assume it" end of math classes for me, until I had to take
Statistics 25 years later.
Keith
"Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." wrote:
>
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Keith Bode wrote:
>
> > just a quick gut feeling on my continuing doubts. If there are more
> > bits in a md5 than a CRC it seems te likelyhood of a data colision would
> > be increased not decreased.
>
> I can't follow this reasoning.
>
> Suppose I have a 1 bit checksum. Every file subjected to this algorithm
> would give either a 1 or a 0. Any file would have a 0.5 chance of
> collision. Add a bit and you get a 0.25 chance of collision. Every
> bit, n, added decreases the odds agains collision by a factor of 1/n^2.
>
> QED.
>
> >
> > Also, if a CRC is a hexadecimel checksum, it seems that any adding of
> > samples, or removing of samples would absolutely change the checksum
> > results. I would think that a CRC is a simpler algorithim, as it has
> > far fewer symbols, so why wouldn't simpler be as good to simply verify
> > accuracy?
> >
>
> In the case of a verifying a files integrity, CRC is just fine. MD5 was
> designed to be cryprographically "strong" in that you cannot (with any
> reasonably concievable amount of time and computing power) manipulate
> a file to make it give the MD5 you want (i.e. you can't forge an MD5
> signature). For all intents and purposes, it is a unique signature for
> that and only that file. CRC can easily be manipulated but I can't see
> that there could be anything to gain by doing this to a CD track. I
> suppose as a joke, you could take a Brittany Spears song, twiddle a few
> bits so that it gives the same CRC as Scarlet Begonias, and substitute
> it on a disk, but that would be too cruel.
>
> --
> Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
> wayne@hoxnet.com
> http://www.hoxnet.com
> PGP Key ID 138BCEE1
From: Bryan Austin <baustin420@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: Aeta / EAA-PSP2
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:52:30 -0700 (PDT)
Hello all.
Bought the unit brand new from Masterpiece AV about
one year ago. The unit is in excellent condition and
has never let me down.
Asking $850.
If you're interested, email me at:
baustin420@yahoo.com
-Bryan Austin
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