DAT-heads Digest #453
Contents:
Brickwalling Solutions.... ("john e. bogus")
Re: Brickwalling Solutions.... (Mark Mayhle)
D8 Brickwalling, revealed (Scott Goodwin)
ISO: recent le tigre / timony in canada ("grafixx@jps.net")
WTD: Daevid Allen's UOE, Guru & Zero (JAZZPUNKER@aol.com)
M1 dealers and going price? / ext. warranty? (bigjazzfan@hdni.cc)
re: Brickwalling CSBs>D8 mic input ("Gary Davis")
Poobah is still around and is taper friendly! ("john e. bogus")
Denecke AD-20 modifications. ("Winnie")
DAT2WAV - toc_i statements ("Richard S. Campbell")
Organ Contest in Chartre ("LOPES QUINTAS, Christian")
Re: Tascam DA-40 MAJOR AES/EBU Problems (Mathias Rombach)
Core Brickwalling, final (Scott Goodwin)
ISO Los Lobos Tapers (Dan Gale)
FS:D8-rig..less mics. ("Winnie")
Re: DAT2WAV - toc_i statements (Mark Mayhle)
From: "john e. bogus" <mallness@surfbest.net>
Subject: Brickwalling Solutions....
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:41:08 -0400
I always use the LINE input of my D7.....totally eliminates brickwalling,
eliminates any additional noise or distortion that the mic preamp may
contribute, and I've never had a problem getting enough levels (I record
mostly loud rock shows, usually stealth) with either a set of generic
condenser capsules or Nak 300's....of course this wouldn't work for acoustic
music, but you wouldn't run into brickwalling in that situation
anyways......
thanks for the posting,
john e. bogus
From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: Re: Brickwalling Solutions....
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:55:46 -0500 (CDT)
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, john e. bogus wrote:
> I always use the LINE input of my D7.....totally eliminates brickwalling,
> eliminates any additional noise or distortion that the mic preamp may
> contribute, and I've never had a problem getting enough levels (I record
> mostly loud rock shows, usually stealth) with either a set of generic
> condenser capsules or Nak 300's....of course this wouldn't work for acoustic
> music, but you wouldn't run into brickwalling in that situation
> anyways......
I used to do this too, at Len's recommendation, but didn't care for the
sound. I'm not sure if it reduces the high frequency response or what,
but tapes sound better to me using an attenuator and Mic in. Just another
opinion...
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
From: Scott Goodwin <coryphaena_29403@juno.com>
Subject: D8 Brickwalling, revealed
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 17:32:18 -0700
I got some good responses to this post, and I'd like to publicly say
thanks very much. I just finished a Rule #5-related experiment with the
mics and would like to report my results:
The Rig:
Core LCBs > (at times) Battery Box (which I made and know to work well,
flat response) > D8
Source:
Vinyl, Charlotte 3/02 SBD > DAT > CDR
Setup:
Mics hanging off speaker tops, DFC on speakers, 1" out: Sony CD > Proton
1100 preamp > Proton AA1150 amp > Paradigm Titans / Fried 4B passive sub.
Volume = Club show volume
Tests:
LCB > Battery box > Mic input (low sens setting) > rec vol at 3.5/10 >
levels showed at -12 dB peak
Result: Brickwalled. Big time.
LCB > (no batt box) Line in > rec vol at 10 > levels at - 20 dB max but
moving
Result: Nothing / low level clicking.
LCB > B Box > Line in Rec vol back to 3, levels @ -8 to -12 dB
Result: Perfect
LCB > Mic In (low level, no batt box, rec levels set at '3' on rec vol
knob)
Result: Brickwalled. Big time.
YMMV, although I don't know how! Seems the line is the method, but
requires mic phantom power for the CSB family of mics..
Hope this helps everyone!
SWG
WOB Tax:
This Vinyl show is just plain sick. Charlotte, Visulite Theater,
3/10/02, SBD > D3 > Zoltrix NGP6 > CDR, 2 discs. I'll freebie it to the
first three people to send a mailing address *after* the digest hits my
box. Gawd, they're good.
From: "grafixx@jps.net" <grafixx@jps.net>
Subject: ISO: recent le tigre / timony in canada
Reply-To: grafixx@jps.net
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 17:47:22 -0400
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have much to trade=2E
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From: JAZZPUNKER@aol.com
Subject: WTD: Daevid Allen's UOE, Guru & Zero
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:26:10 EDT
Looking for cdr's of Daevid Allen's performances on the west coast this
August. Either University Of Errors or Guru & Zero.
Thanx much!
Ray
http://members.aol.com/cdcollectr/main.html
From: bigjazzfan@hdni.cc
Subject: M1 dealers and going price? / ext. warranty?
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 20:46:10 -0600
Hi,
What dealers are stocking/selling a new Sony M1?
Also, who is offering an extended warranty for the M1?
Thanks, Mark
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavisloop@earthlink.net>
Subject: re: Brickwalling CSBs>D8 mic input
Reply-to: gdavisloop@earthlink.net
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:14:11 -0700
This has been covered many times, but it's generally better to use
the Line Input with a D7/D8 and CSBs, especially for loud music. I
usually set the level between 7 and 10. Sometimes (for softer loud
music - ie Nels Cline w/o a PA), the recording level is rather low
even at 10, but I think it's better to amplify the DAT later than to
take the noise from the D8's mic pre-amp, and, of course, you don't
have to worry much about brickwalling or going "over" !
--Gary
From: "john e. bogus" <mallness@surfbest.net>
Subject: Poobah is still around and is taper friendly!
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:38:13 -0400
I recently discovered from the Monster Records website that the eastern Ohio
band Poobah is still around and is about to have all their self-released
albums from the 70's resissued on this label....not wanting to wait for
Monster to start handling the current releases, I contacted guitarist Jim
Gustafson to see if he would sell me the CD's by mail immediately.....I'm
informed that Poobah is definately taper friendly, so chalk up another band
to the list of Bands That Allow Taping! Upon discovering that the band has
been around and still playing in eastern Ohio all these years, that of
course begs the usual question.......has anybody onlist taped this band? If
so, I'd REALLY like to hear from you! Anyone going to their show tomorrow
night? If anyone in eastern Ohio is sitting on tapes from this band, you'd
really make quite a few people happy by sharing.....
Thanks for the posting....
john e. bogus
From: "Winnie" <who@sover.net>
Subject: Denecke AD-20 modifications.
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 02:40:13 -0400
I'm starting to get mail in response to my for sale post. Sounds like a few
Denecke AD20 users may be interested in increasing the size of their knobs.
Sounds like the penis enlargement spam email... anyway... back on topic...
Here's how I got READABLE gains on my AD20 that I could also easily
manipulate.
At your hardware store they usually have a bunch of drawers or boxes filled
with small parts. Cotter pins, rings, special washers. I bought two knurled
knobs that were made to press fit onto the heads of cap screws. They are
used to make your own "finger tight" fasteners from cap screws. If you dont
know... a cap screw has a cylindrical head that is usually knurled on the
outside and is used with an "allen wrench", "hex key" tool. The knobs on the
AD20 look just like the heads of cap screws, minus the hex socket. Since cap
screws have a hex socket, these knobs have a plug that fits into the hole.
You need to remove the plug, using the tool of your choice :-). The knob
will now slide onto the AD20 mini gain knobs. You need to glue them on. The
knobs are about 1/2" dia. Maybe 5/8". I printed gain markings "0 thru 9" and
"hash marks" onto some adhesive backed labels using AutoCAD. Turned the
gains all the way down.. and applied the adhesive labels aligned to 0.
Remember that the gains dont turn a full 360. Using AutoCAD, it was
relatively easy to configure the spacing. Now I have easily read gain pots
on My AD20. Sounds like a lot of work. It was really quite easy... takes a
long time to explain.
Another easy modification is to get rid of the LARGE! XLR to mini adapter if
your running a stealth rig... battery box type mic setup. Open the AD20. The
XLR's are plugged into the board with a ribbon cable terminated by a
multipin connector. Get another connector and ribbon cable at radio shack.
There is room near the battery end to add another 1/8" mini plug for the
mics rather than use the XLR balanced inputs and a large "Y" adapter. Of
course.. if you run a different set of mics for "open" recording scenes,
it's probably easier to use the Y adapter rather than have to open the case
and switch the cables from mini-unbalanced mic jack to the XLR jacks. But
then again... if your trying to stay light and small, using the belt clip
with the AD20 for exampe.. getting rid of that bulky Y might be worth the
time it takes to switch the cables.
Good Luck!
Winnie
================================
"Without love in the dream it will
never come true"-Garcia/Hunter
Winnie Olmer
<mailto:who@sover.net>
Trades: http://www.sover.net/~who/trades.htm
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From: "Richard S. Campbell" <richardscampbell@yahoo.com>
Subject: DAT2WAV - toc_i statements
Reply-To: <richardscampbell@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:15:25 -0600
What is a toc_i statement:
The last time I ripped a DAT with DAT2WAV I got a whole bunch of PGM ctr =
increments with a "toc_i" flag at the end. What does this mean?
I never laid down any program tracks or indexes.
The dat2wav output is as follows:
D:\Audio Utils>dat2wav 0:5 wsp2002-07-28SA-1648
DAT2WAV - version 1.1 - Copyright 1999/2000 Computall Services
Found drive ARCHIVE Python 01931-XXX5.63
Setting drive in audio mode: done
Saving audio track# 1 in file:WSP2002-07-28SA-16481.wav
PRG:00-A:02:37:57:26-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:eb-A:02:53:41:16-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:eb-A:02:54:30:17-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:eb-A:02:56:38:29-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:eb-A:02:59:14:1a-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:eb-A:03:00:05:19-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:eb-A:03:00:06:2a-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:eb-A:03:01:31:32-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:eb-A:03:02:19:29-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:78-A:03:03:09:0a-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:78-A:03:03:12:22-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:78-A:03:04:29:00-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:78-A:03:04:53:16-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:78-A:03:05:05:16-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:78-A:03:05:06:17-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00 toc_i
PRG:78-A:03:05:49:00-P:00:00:00:00-DATE:00/00/00-00:00:00-48k-2-16-SCMS=3D=
00
D:\Audio Utils>
Any help would be appriciated,
Richard
From: "LOPES QUINTAS, Christian" <CLOPESQUINTAS@insnec.intertechnique.fr>
Subject: Organ Contest in Chartre
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:22:47 +0200
Hi All,
There is someone who has taped the international Organ Contest held in
Chartre (France) last sunday?
I 'am interested by the recordings
Thanks
Christian
From: Mathias Rombach <rombachm@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: Tascam DA-40 MAJOR AES/EBU Problems
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 11:24:25 +0200
Hello,
>During recording, suddenly in the
>middle the pause button will light up on the DA-40 and pause for like
>1-0.5 seconds and then continue.
What kind of signal do you have in that middle ?
>This is pissing the hell out of
>me and I have always trusted DBX quality.
sure, dbx costs money (:)) ...
I guess I canīt help you there. Itīs -sorry for you- a kind of Murphys
law.
A solution:
Connect the analog inputs directly to the DA-40 and check it again.
The sound quality should be OK.
Mathias
From: Scott Goodwin <coryphaena_29403@juno.com>
Subject: Core Brickwalling, final
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:12:46 -0700
Thanks again for all the input, gang. I'd like to point out that, in
case you didn't read the results of my testing which I posted yesterday,
using the line input without a battery box DOES NOT WORK. So the
suggestions of "just use the line input" are not a viable solution. Use
line and a battery box for the Cores works very well. Every other
combination of input and battery box did not work.
I've got a circuit diagram for making attenuators, should anyone want it.
Don't know if it works, but I'll know by tonight, and they should cost
about a buck at the most.
Toodles -
SWG
From: Dan Gale <dgale@loslobos.org>
Subject: ISO Los Lobos Tapers
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 08:46:53 -0700
I'm looking for folks who can record the following upcoming Los Lobos shows:
9/12/02 Boulder Theatre, Boulder CO
9/13/02 Blues & Brews Festival, Telluride CO
9/20/02 Franklin-Covey Bassball Stadium, Salt Lake City UT
9/21/02 Blue Sky Jam Fest, Louisville KY
9/26/02 Lila Cockrell Theatre, San Antonio TX
9/27/02 Sunland Park Race Track, Sunland Park NM (near El Paso TX)
9/28/02 Austin City Limits Festival, Austin TX
9/30/02 Kern County Fairgrounds, Bakersfield CA
Please get in touch if you can catch any of these shows - thanks!
From: "Winnie" <who@sover.net>
Subject: FS:D8-rig..less mics.
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:02:30 -0400
I had this posted earlier with a package price of $1000. I have received
several emails asking for price breakdowns. I prefer to sell this as a
package deal... but I will entertain splitting it up.
Sony D8 $475
(includes Warrantech RepairMaster valid to Feb 8th 2004!!!)
Oade Active Digital Cable $100
Denecke AD20 $250
Denecke PS2 48 volt Phantom Power $75
6 volt 7AH Power Pack w/charger and cable for D8 and AD20 $100
sorry all prices are firm. you pay shipping. i accept PayPal.
winnie
================================
"Without love in the dream it will
never come true"-Garcia/Hunter
Winnie Olmer
<mailto:who@sover.net>
Trades: <http://www.sover.net/~who/trades.htm>
================================
From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: Re: DAT2WAV - toc_i statements
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:54:37 -0500 (CDT)
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Richard S. Campbell wrote:
> What is a toc_i statement:
I have no idea, but...
> The dat2wav output is as follows:
> D:\Audio Utils>dat2wav 0:5 wsp2002-07-28SA-1648
> DAT2WAV - version 1.1 - Copyright 1999/2000 Computall Services
Assuming you have your own licensed copy of DAT2WAV, you should request
version 1.2. It's much better in every way.
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
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