DAT-heads Digest #462
Contents:
Me, the thics plice and killing (Keith Bode)
Re: Question on RKDA10P cable ("Stanley W. Smith")
Bootlegging ("Candace Horgan")
post by Snakebite@nyloose.com (Joe Galbraith)
Re: keith "the ethics police" (Alex Prestin)
Re - Keith's anti taping post (Jason & Monique Riggs)
iso jane's addcition 10/8/01 ("melissa .")
Stealth Taping, ethics of bootlegging... (David Taylor)
ISO Alpine 2nd stage August 3rd and 4th, 2002 (NYLifer@aol.com)
Re: Question on RKDA10P cable (Len Moskowitz)
guitar center DAT sale ("Sam Hain")
WTD: GONG, Daevid Allen, University of Errors and related (JAZZPUNKER@aol.com)
WTD: Nels Cline, Masada, Bar Kohkba, Zorn (JAZZPUNKER@aol.com)
Selling shows (Tommy & Robin Danscuk)
Re: Objectors to stealth taping ("Thomas Avallone")
Re: Stealth-taping/selling (Seth Breidbart)
RE: LP to digital... (Mac)
WANTED: jorma w/ blue country *soundboard* ("John R. Vanderpool")
Re: Re - anti taping post (Dgowc1st@aol.com)
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Me, the thics plice and killing
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:37:07 -0700
You got me laughing so hard, I can't believe it. How the hell did you
tie me from my view pint on what happened to someone when they tried to
stealth a show, and got caught, to killing? I think the scene at
Birchmere was done to deliberately antagonize the would be taper, and
kind of funny to read, but to equate that with me being behind the Great
Crusades or something is laughable. Honest to god, it sounds like a
video game.
Keith
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From: "Stanley W. Smith" <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Question on RKDA10P cable
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:39:04 -0500
Hey,
If your Sony portable deck is recieving _analog_ signal through either
the line or mic in connections, then you'll set the switch to 'analog'.
You would be the only deck, or the lead deck in the patch chain from the
mics or other analog source. It won't pass signal otherwise...
If you are _not_ the lead deck, and are recieving incoming signal through
the
digital patch chain, then switch it to 'digital'. Simple, right?
(And yes, there are no 7-pin mic or line connectors... ;) )
Stan Smith
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From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: Question on RKDA10P cable
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 06:53:00 -0500 (CDT)
So, I just got one of these Sony active cables-- thanks Spyro-- and am
wondering about the Analog-Digital switch. It says to use the Analog
position when connecting to the Mic or Line in, which doesn't make sense
to me since I don't know of any deck with a Sony 7-pin connector for Mic
or Line in. Any explanation? Thanks...
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From: "Candace Horgan" <candace@spacewrangler.com>
Subject: Bootlegging
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:40:51 -0600
Matt C writes in response to my last post:
<if someone doesn't have anything to trade, then there's no other option.
what do you think bootlegging is? you need to get educated........quickly.>
It's called Blanks and Postage you fucking moron. You tell them to send you
disks/tapes inside an SASE, or you tell them you don't have the time to hook
them up. You NEVER NEVER EVER profit on the tapes; selling is profit,
period.
This list is for TAPING, not BOOTLEGGING. I think you are the one who needs
to get educated, quickly. If you took a poll of this list I would bet 99% of
us would be against what you are doing. And I hope that people on this list
will refuse to trade with you. If someone traded for a master of mine and
then sold it I would feel violated.
I will repeat what I said earlier: people like you are why tapers have a bad
reputation.
Candace
From: Joe Galbraith <joeg@burlnet.org>
Subject: post by Snakebite@nyloose.com
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:52:52 -0400
> posted by "Matt C." <Snakebite@nyloose.com
> >>>>and i sell my shit too!! >>>
>
> what the fuck??? and you are admitting this??
gee, like no one has ever sold a show before. you are obviously new to
bootlegging.
Yeah-
And it's little turds like you who continue to f**k up the scene for
everyone.
I suppose you think gatecrashing by ticketless hoards is acceptable as
well.
You sound like a selfabsorbed drunken little fratboy poser....
From: Alex Prestin <wakko@bitey.net>
Subject: Re: keith "the ethics police"
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:06:35 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: RE: keith "the ethics police"
>
> this list is about bootlegging, is it not?
No, you 'tard, it isn't.
Search through the archives if you want to get a general idea of what this
list is about. It is not about selling what we tape. It is not about
bootlegging.
Now, go away. Nobody likes you.
"Case closed".
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From: Jason & Monique Riggs <mkwilson@iquest.net>
Subject: Re - Keith's anti taping post
Reply-To: mkwilson@iquest.net
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:11:34 -0500
Bob Siegl wrote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
in demand shows and the
sneaky guys at the clubshows are the ones to be praised, not the masses
of
taper geeks who run expensive rigs side by side, making nearly identical
tapes well outside the sound pressure zone.
i am not saying its "bad" to be a section guy. many of us started
there....(and i am a taper geek too, so don't get mad at that)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How can someone not get mad at that statement.
You are a taper geek who decides to try and insult half of the tapers on
this list to prove a point that has nothing to do with the section. And
making fun of some ones (fictional) musical taste/list here of all
places???
Stick to your point!
>>>>>>>>>>>
run expensive rigs side by side, making nearly identical
tapes well outside the sound pressure zone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
You show your lack of knolage about gear or your ears lack of ability
with this statement.
Argue selling shows & stealthing with this guy is fine but trying to
tell us what type of taper is better & more respected than another is
just making you look like an opinionated ...............?.!
Jason
From: "melissa ." <mustangchef@hotmail.com>
Subject: iso jane's addcition 10/8/01
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:14:18 +0000
sorry to post this here, but i can't find this show elsewhere, & was hoping
someone would be able to help me out. i might have something you want in
return. PLEASE! the link to my list is below.
wob tax: los lobos 7/31/02 akg 483>v2>adc-20 roxy theater atlanta, ga
"i've endured some of the harsh statements, but for every harsh statment
there have been 99 complimetary ones. what i've done & am still doing is a
product of years of blood, sweat & tears, & as long as i am completely
secure in the knowledge that what i am doing is valid, then eventually even
the most stupid critic has to acknowledge the validity of my work."
ahmad jamal
my dat/cdr list: http://www.tapercities.com/Phishpond/melissa
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From: David Taylor <drtaylor@yahoo.com>
Subject: Stealth Taping, ethics of bootlegging...
Reply-To: drtaylor@earthling.net
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:23:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Candace Horgan" <candace@spacewrangler.com>
> Subject: Stealth-taping/selling
>
> > Matt C writes:
> >
> > <no shit. i stealth tape (99.9% of the time). and i sell my shit too!!
if
> > you don't like
> > it you can kiss my ass. this list is for dat trading/taping. we don't
come
> > here for
> > ethics lessons.>
> >
> > Well, if you are serious, then I am going to give you an ethics lesson you
> > idioit. People like you who sell tapes are the reason more artists don't
> > allow open taping in the first place. I don't stealth tape because I don't
> > have the patience for it. I've been able to convince some artists who don't
> > usually allow taping to let me tape, but it can be difficult, and their
> > first question is usually, "Is it for commercial purposes?" And they ask
> > that because they don't like people like you ripping them off. Why don't
you
> > take your sorry ass attitudes over to e-Bay? Either that, or grow up.
> > Stealthing is one thing, but selling the tapes is so beyond fucked-up that
> > you will probably reincarnate as a parasatic fungus, because that certainly
> > would be a better reflection of what you are.
> >
>
> if someone doesn't have anything to trade, then there's no other option.
Blanks and postage.... worked for me. Oh yeah, friends help too.
> From: "stuart" <stuart@startnet.com>
> To: <dat-heads@datheads.phish.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:51 AM
> Subject: RE: keith "the ethics police"
>
>
> > My hats off to all that have responded to all of the "keith, ethics" post.
I
> > assume that most of the people on this list tape shows & that most of us
have
> > beliefs that selling these recordings is wrong,
>
> this list is about bootlegging, is it not? isn't selling a part of
bootlegging (in some
> cases)?
Nope, its about DAT taping. Here is the FAQ link if you need a reminder.
http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/FAQ
>
> case closed.
>
>
> if you want to cry about ethics in 'recording' then go start a list dedicated
> to that
> subject. until then, tapers/traders are free to do what they want, whether
>or not you
> agree with it.
Why, its an public discussion forum. So for being a member you get to read
other opionions on ehthics of taping. Whether or not you agree with it.
- dave
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From: NYLifer@aol.com
Subject: ISO Alpine 2nd stage August 3rd and 4th, 2002
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:25:28 -0400
Need Warren and Jorma especially, and will discuss others.
DAT or CDr, much to trade.
On hard drive now:
Warren solo 7/5/2
Phil 4/4/2
Phil 4/5/2
Phil 5/21/2
GD 9/11/74
Other Ones 8/3/2
Other Ones 8/4/2
Peace,
Bob
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From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Question on RKDA10P cable
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com> wrote:
> So, I just got one of these Sony active cables-- thanks Spyro-- and am
> wondering about the Analog-Digital switch. It says to use the Analog
> position when connecting to the Mic or Line in, which doesn't make sense
> to me since I don't know of any deck with a Sony 7-pin connector for Mic
> or Line in. Any explanation? Thanks...
First of all, the Sony cable is active only on input, not output. See
the "7-Pin Bible" on our Web site for more details.
The switch tells the DAT recorder whether to record from its analog
inputs (Line and Mic) or the 7-pin digital input. If you are recording
from microphones and have the switch in the "digital" postition, the
recorder will ignore the mics and listen to what's coming in on the
digital connector.
I hope this helped!
Len Moskowitz Binaural StealthMics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: "Sam Hain" <samhain1313@hotmail.com>
Subject: guitar center DAT sale
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:44:07 -0400
My local Guitar Center (King of Prussia PA) was blowing out there Tascam
DA20 MKII decks for $440 ... kind of wish I didnt buy a used one for $375 a
month ago ... oh well.
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From: JAZZPUNKER@aol.com
Subject: WTD: GONG, Daevid Allen, University of Errors and related
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:46:58 EDT
I'm always on the lookout for GONG and related on CDR. Please email me if
interested in trading. My URL is below. Many thanx!!
Ray
http://members.aol.cdcollectr/main.html
From: JAZZPUNKER@aol.com
Subject: WTD: Nels Cline, Masada, Bar Kohkba, Zorn
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:48:06 EDT
Always looking for Nels Cline, John Zorn, Masada and Bar Kohkba on CDR.
Please email me if interested in trading. My URL is below. Many thanx!!
Ray
http://members.aol.cdcollectr/main.html
From: Tommy & Robin Danscuk <robntom@optonline.net>
Subject: Selling shows
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 14:45:17 -0400
No, and I bet 99.9% of the people on this list have never sold a show
either.
From: "Matt C." <Snakebite@nyloose.com>
Subject: Re: Objectors to stealth taping
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 01:08:14 -0700
> posted by "Matt C." <Snakebite@nyloose.com
> >>>>and i sell my shit too!! >>>
>gee, like no one has ever sold a show before. you are obviously new to
bootlegging.
From: "Thomas Avallone" <tav2367@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Objectors to stealth taping
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:56:28 +0000
Matt C. writes:
<< if someone doesn't have anything to trade, then there's no other option.
what do you think bootlegging is? you need to get educated........quickly.
>>
Matt, it sounds like you should not be part of this DAT group....There is
something out there called a TAPER'S OATH. If YOU don't know about it, I
would say YOUR the one who needs to be educated.
Your also the type of person who will sell shows made by other tapers, am I
correct ???? You certainly don't seem to believe in B&P....
Tom
http://www.tav2367.20m.com/
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From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Stealth-taping/selling
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:02:47 -0400 (EDT)
"Matt C." <Snakebite@nyloose.com> wrote:
> if someone doesn't have anything to trade, then there's no other option.
bullshit. I'll give my own collection as a counterexample.
Of course, it helps not to be a total asshole.
Seth
From: Mac <mhathaway@netway.com>
Subject: RE: LP to digital...
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:24:11 -0400
About recording/transferring LPs:
In the description below, the key thing that the various chains are lacking
is the phono pre-amp stage. That is the reason that you needed to go into
the mic input of the DAT deck. The output from a phono player is low level
(NOT line level, more like a mic's output), and has a non-standard EQ,
which means that the recorded result will be heavily weighted toward higher
frequencies (if I remember right). The phono input of a standard pre-amp
has higher gain than other inputs, and also takes care of the phono EQ
conversion. Trouble is, lots of pre-amps these days don't have phono
stages. Sometimes you can by an outboard phono-preamp, but quality can be
an issue.
You'll need to plug the output of the preamp-phono-stage/phono-preamp into
the line input of other devices, and you should be in good shape.
Mac
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From: "Chris M." <chris_83_01@yahoo.com>
Subject: Converting LP's > CD
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:01:45 -0700 (PDT)
Hi, my dad has a buddy who has a nice, old, and rare LP
collection. He'd like to be able to convert some to CD to
make a few mixes and what not. I tried a few of them by
going LP player > RCA>eight-inch analog cable > Sharp MT-99
MD.**(see note below). Well it sounds alright (I have a
digital soundcard and a MD player with dig. output, so I
converted it to CD), but I'm wondering if there's a better
way to do it. I was thinking since we are amateur
hobbyists (and he has no digital equipment at all, but I'm
supervising his purchases), he could get an outboard A>D
converter like the one shown here:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=570&item=SP-AD2000&type=store
He could then get a Zoltrix Nightengale digital soundcard
for $30 and there you go, a decent set-up.
Now for people who know more about this stuff, do you have
any suggestions as far as him purchasing equipment? Maybe
he could go LP player > home DAT Deck > dig. soundcard? Or
even LP player > outboard A>D > Stand Alone CD-R Deck?
This brings up another question, if he was to go find a way
to go into the computer, would it be a good idea for him to
get like, CEP and do some noise reduction? Any suggestions
AT ALL will be gladly accepted. :)
**Ok, when I was going LP Player > Sharp MT-99 MD something
weird was going on. I had the RCA>eight-inch analog cable.
I plugged the two RCA's in the output of the LP player and
the eight-inch end into the Line-In of my portable MD
recorder. but I picked up no sound. I had to go in
through the Mic-In where I did get a sound. Why is that?
Would I be better off using LP player > amplifier(one from
my dad's home stereo system or something like that) > MD?
Thanks!!! :)
From: "John R. Vanderpool" <fish@daacdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: WANTED: jorma w/ blue country *soundboard*
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:35:12 -0400 (EDT)
i have two aud recordings which are ok (but not great - due to being
large venues mostly) so am seeking a soundboard (or a killer daud from
a much smaller venue - i wish he'd do a club tour with the band!)
i've heard he isn't supposed to allow patches any more due to contract
with columbia records but was hoping one has snuck out so we can enjoy
this fine music (and yes, i've bought his new CD - which is really nice
and anybody that likes jorma should buy it too)
p.s. i have NOT read the digest for over a month now and i do see there
are a lot of posts about this very topic in there but have not
had time to read them (i just did a Subject: scan)
thanx,
fish
From: Dgowc1st@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re - anti taping post
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:46:41 -0400
In a message dated Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bob Siegl writes:
<<<snip>>>
>I dont know what kind of music you are listening to, but if >you prefer to listen to live music, as many of us do, your >tape list must look something like this:
> Phish 500 shows
> Grateful Dead 3 shows
<<<end snip>>>
not even remotely close; phish just doesnt do it for me, and the fact that i love live music doesnt mean that i need more than a token phish show, given to me by someone who was amazed that i wouldnt give a dead rats ass in exchange for a pair of phish tickets. i saw them when the opened for santana back in like 88 or 89 or something, and i thought they sucked then. they did nothing to change that opinion the other 2 times i was dragged to thier shows by friends. phooey!
as for the rest of his post, about taping FOB, or stealth, i completely agree; the self righteous outta check thier collections and remove any dylan, led zep, floyd, zappa, steve morse, king crimson, dead pre 85 (especialy any of those 77 betty boards, or any board for that matter) the list goes on forever. thank god for the stealth tapers; ask janie hendrix; Jimi's legacy would be incomplete with out all the "unauthorized documentation" of Jimi's stellar career.
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i cant wait to see
what its like
on the outside now...
...fz...
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