DAT-heads Digest #464, Volume #6 Tue, 10 Sep 02 08:50:01 EDT Contents: iso crap boybands (Steps, A1, North and South, Whigfield) & Martin Denny (GaoBest@aol.com) bootlegging thread ("Mark McKay") Get a Life (Keith Bode) re: Matt C. aka "UNDISPUTED KING OF THE LAST WORD" ("Chris Siegl") Re: Matt C. aka "UNDISPUTED KING OF THE LAST WORD" ("Matt C.") Re: bootlegging thread ("Matt C.") Re: bootlegging thread ("Matt C.") Re: bootlegging thread (Seth Breidbart) Re: bootlegging thread ("Matt C.") Hamell on Trial / Johnny Dowd ("Erik B") Re: bootlegging thread (Seth Breidbart) Rolling Stones - San Francisco Warfield Theater / COLDPLAY KFOG? (Matthew Thayer) Re: bootlegging thread ("Matt C.") Re: Objectors to stealth taping ("gordon wilson") Candace I just read your post.... ("gordon wilson") Dead SBDs ("gordon wilson") noisy crowds - not a problem... although THIS IS! ("Jonas Karlsson") ok snakebite ("gordon wilson") Stupidest (Scott Goodwin) Re: DAT-heads Digest #463 (mcmiller@radix.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: iso crap boybands (Steps, A1, North and South, Whigfield) & Martin Denny Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:20:47 EDT Hey people, Does anyone have any DAT or CDR of teenage crap pop in concert? Surely those kids actually did some live stuff in concert, and I really would love to hear it. I'm particularly after Steps (who broke up over Christmas and their most famous offshoot is "H and Claire"), A1 (who finally have a US record label, and they're a million times better than the Backstreet Boys and N-Sync, which is saying a lot, and I know there are a lot of us DAThead adults who are on the Digi-Britney list, don't try to hide it), North and South (may be broken up by now, but a lot of their song riffs/choruses sound like they're nicked from Saint Etienne), and Whigfield (best work was 94/95). Anyway if anyone's interested in swapping and has garbage like this, please get in touch, I'm highly interested, I love all this stuff, most of my friends can't handle listening to me go on forever about it. Oh and A-Teens, they were support for Britney and I think Christina in the US in past years, they're most famous for their Abba covers (really good, better than Bjorn Again). But I really am after Steps more than anyone else. And for those of you Yanks who want to watch Steps videos but can't play UK DVDs, I endorse buying the multiregionDVD player, or buy the Asian VCDs of Steps Gold, just smashing, and you can watch it on your DVD player. Oh and I'm always interested in any live Modern Talking show as well. I think they mime it, but I'm still interested. Finally is Martin Denny (of "exotica" fame from the 50s/60s) still alive, or have any of his concerts been recorded (his live albums don't count)? I wouldn't mind hearing any of that either; in 1990 he put out a fantastic album called Exotica '90, rerecordings and some new songs, done in Japan with some excellent backing musicians. Maybe he and Arthur Lyman can do a comeback tour or something... Patient traders preferred, I still can't get my act together half the time. WOB tax on CDR only for 5 people tops who can be patient: choice of coldplay 8-18-02 bimbos (my source, there were about 30 other tapers there I'm sure) on 2 cdr, one of two U2 ADL shows from last year, or Swedish broadcast of New Order at Roskilde this year (not to be compared with the Irish or German or other nation broadcasts)... or Spectrum 9-21-97 bottom of the hill. Or pink floyd 2-25-71 hamburg atomheartmother big thanks in advance/ Mike gaobest@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Mark McKay" Subject: bootlegging thread Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:27:28 -0400 "Matt C." i do b&ps. i consider that selling. That has got to be the singularly most stupid thing I've seen written on this list. Someone sends you a blank, and the postage to return it to them. You copy your tape (or cdr) to theirs, return it to them using their postage and mailer...and that's selling? Dude, you need a break from the hallucinogens. Mark ------------------------------ From: Keith Bode Subject: Get a Life Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:45:15 -0700 For all of you getting worked up about what I say, Get a Life. What I write is just my opinion, which you all know is like an asshole. Somehow my name got tied into post about bootlegging, somebody or multiple somebodies must be really bored. Find a post where I wrote a word about bootlegging, there isn't one. My opinion about bootlegs, is the same as my opinion about dope. Producing bootlegs doesn't cause the creation of them. It's people buying them that creates the existence of them, just like people buying bags of Pot is why it is smuggled in or grown in Basements Now maybe if you all scurry along, you can inform all those bootleg buyers, that you'd give the music to them for free. But maybe, just maybe, there are people out there who would rather walk into a store, cough up $60, and walk out with the same show with some professional graphics, printing and shrink wrap, and not have to go to different stores for media, stamps, envelopes, CD envelopes and everything else. There is a Clapton list I was on. It was a status symbol how many sounboard boots of Clapton everyone had. They bragged about how much money they spent in their life buying 200 Clapton concert Bootlegs. Something seems fishy to me when every damn show the guy plays winds up as a great SBD Boot. Regardless of what we do or say on this list, the sale of bootlegs is tied to demand. It's status and people who are just to busy to spend the time having a hobby, and have to damn much money that keeps the diminishing quantity of bootlegs in stores. Now I've said my piece about bootlegging, go apeshit if you want. Keith -- Please check out http://www.wotwild.com for some great animal art and wall decorations. ------------------------------ From: "Chris Siegl" Subject: re: Matt C. aka "UNDISPUTED KING OF THE LAST WORD" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:50:16 -0400 hey matt c. ... if you think doing a b&p constitutes selling it means one of two things to me (the second i feel to be more likely): 1] you're simply changing your story under fire -OR- 2] you are a jackass (no, really, it could be true ...) looking forward to a witty retort, chris _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Matt C." Subject: Re: Matt C. aka "UNDISPUTED KING OF THE LAST WORD" Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:11:14 -0700 ===== Original Message ===== From: "Chris Siegl" To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:50 PM Subject: re: Matt C. aka "UNDISPUTED KING OF THE LAST WORD" > > > hey matt c. ... if you think doing a b&p constitutes selling it means one of > two things to me (the second i feel to be more likely): > > 1] you're simply changing your story under fire my story has always been the same. > -OR- > > 2] you are a jackass (no, really, it could be true ...) > > looking forward to a witty retort, > chris b&ps are certainly closer to selling than trading. you are the weakest link.... ******************* It's so much easier to just not give a fuck. www.NYLoose.com www.AliceCooper.com www.ADickSite.com ------------------------------ From: "Matt C." Subject: Re: bootlegging thread Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:12:40 -0700 ===== Original Message ===== From: "Mark McKay" To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: bootlegging thread > > "Matt C." > > >i do b&ps. i consider that selling. > > That has got to be the singularly most stupid thing I've seen written on > this list. Someone sends you a blank, and the postage to return it to them. > You copy your tape (or cdr) to theirs, return it to them using their postage > and mailer...and that's selling? who said anything about mailers??? ******************* It's so much easier to just not give a fuck. www.NYLoose.com www.AliceCooper.com www.ADickSite.com ------------------------------ From: "Matt C." Subject: Re: bootlegging thread Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:15:28 -0700 school's in....... someone wants to trade with me. they have nothing on their list that intersts me. they offer a b&p. i tell them to send me 2 apogee gold cds and $3.50 for shipping. they say they can't find any apogee gold cds. i offer to buy some through mail order. so now we have the cost of the cds, the shipping of the blank cds and postage. and you don't think b&ps aren't selling???? i guess it's all how you justify it, isn't it? many of you 'traders' are just 'selling'. ******************* It's so much easier to just not give a fuck. www.NYLoose.com www.AliceCooper.com www.ADickSite.com ------------------------------ From: Seth Breidbart Subject: Re: bootlegging thread Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:28:57 -0400 (EDT) > someone wants to trade with me. they have nothing on their list > that intersts me. they offer a b&p. i tell them to send me 2 > apogee gold cds When I do b&p, I don't care what kind of CDs they send. It's their problem if the CDs suck. > and $3.50 for shipping. Shipping 2 CDs costs $.60 postage (First Class, 2 ounces). > they say they can't find any apogee gold cds. i offer to buy some > through mail order. So you make a profit on those, too, right? > and you don't think b&ps aren't selling???? So they send you money, and you send CDs, yet you somehow claim that's "b&p". It isn't. Seth ------------------------------ From: "Matt C." Subject: Re: bootlegging thread Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:35:47 -0700 ===== Original Message ===== From: "Seth Breidbart" To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: bootlegging thread > > someone wants to trade with me. they have nothing on their list > > that intersts me. they offer a b&p. i tell them to send me 2 > > apogee gold cds > > When I do b&p, I don't care what kind of CDs they send. It's their > problem if the CDs suck. i care. > > and $3.50 for shipping. > > Shipping 2 CDs costs $.60 postage (First Class, 2 ounces). $3.50. > > they say they can't find any apogee gold cds. i offer to buy some > > through mail order. > > So you make a profit on those, too, right? nope. > > and you don't think b&ps aren't selling???? > > So they send you money, and you send CDs, yet you somehow claim that's > "b&p". It isn't. i never claimed that. you lie. ******************* It's so much easier to just not give a fuck. www.NYLoose.com www.AliceCooper.com www.ADickSite.com ------------------------------ From: "Erik B" Subject: Hamell on Trial / Johnny Dowd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:39:57 -0400 Two of my favorites, Hamell on Trial and Johnny Dowd, played two sets together (not simultaneously) Saturday night at the Tin Angel in Philadelphia. Anybody here tape it? Lots to offer if so.... Erik ------------------------------ From: Seth Breidbart Subject: Re: bootlegging thread Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:47:32 -0400 (EDT) >> When I do b&p, I don't care what kind of CDs they send. It's their >> problem if the CDs suck. > i care. Obviously. Though why you require among the most expensive CDs rather than the most reliable I don't know. >> > and $3.50 for shipping. >> Shipping 2 CDs costs $.60 postage (First Class, 2 ounces). > $3.50. First Class postage for 2 ounces is $0.60 in the US. $0.37 for the first ounce, and $0.23 for the second. >> > and you don't think b&ps aren't selling???? >> So they send you money, and you send CDs, yet you somehow claim that's >> "b&p". It isn't. > i never claimed that. you lie. What are you now claiming you never claimed? You never claimed to do b&p's? Or you never claimed to receive money for b&p? Everybody on the list saw your previous postings, you can't change history that easily. Seth ------------------------------ From: Matthew Thayer Subject: Rolling Stones - San Francisco Warfield Theater / COLDPLAY KFOG? Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Let's stay CoNsTrUcTiVe, here! Do we really need to read the F#@$ word in a post? Rumor is The Stones may play the Warfield when they arrive in San Francisco. Seems probable, if anyone has any information, please post! Also, Did anyone record the KFOG - Coldplay broadcast from Bimbo's Sunday night .... i missed it. please email me for list Thanks..... Matt __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ From: "Matt C." Subject: Re: bootlegging thread Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:28:08 -0700 ===== Original Message ===== From: "Seth Breidbart" To: Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: Re: bootlegging thread > >> > and you don't think b&ps aren't selling???? > >> So they send you money, and you send CDs, yet you somehow claim that's > >> "b&p". It isn't. > > i never claimed that. you lie. > > What are you now claiming you never claimed? You never claimed to do > b&p's? i do them all the time. sometimes they send the cd, sometimes i have to go buy them. > Or you never claimed to receive money for b&p? Everybody on > the list saw your previous postings, you can't change history that > easily. no stories have changed sethy boy. ******************* It's so much easier to just not give a fuck. www.NYLoose.com www.AliceCooper.com www.ADickSite.com ------------------------------ From: "gordon wilson" Subject: Re: Objectors to stealth taping Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:30:07 -0400 been away from the computer all day to find this >>>gee, like no one has ever sold a show before.>>> Yes people sell shows. they should not be on this list or any other where people TRADE. >>>you are obviously new to bootlegging>>> Not new to TRADING....Started trading analogs in 91 and been trading DATS cds for the last three years. And I've never taken more than a blank for a show....I've had people throw in a extra blank "for my troubles" and I always spun something on it and sent it back to them. Sell your shit else where and don't ever post here again. BWT I'll take a few for B&P of any show of my cd list http://www.phishhook.com/lists/datdork Gordon "A fool and his money are soon parted. I would pay anyone a lot of money to explain that one to me." Homer J Simpson ------------------------------ From: "gordon wilson" Subject: Candace I just read your post.... Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:36:14 -0400 so was it you who got our Junkies to allow taping??? If so thank you so much. If not I know you helped in many ways. How long have they allowed open taping?? From what I can gather it's only been since about 99 or 2000 but I could be way off. If you don't mind email me and let me know. Gordon "Music Is The Drug" Cowboy Junkies ------------------------------ From: "gordon wilson" Subject: Dead SBDs Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:45:21 -0400 >>> Although I know virtually all the Dead Soundboard shows in circulation were stolen from them>>> now I know that some where but I was under the impression that they released them into circulation. Gordon "A fool and his money are soon parted. I would pay anyone a lot of money to explain that one to me." Homer J Simpson ------------------------------ From: "Jonas Karlsson" Subject: noisy crowds - not a problem... although THIS IS! Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:53:53 +0200 Hey I know noisy crowds is a real pain in the ass, but lately I've found out = an even worse problem.... Since I use a DAT, what do you think happens = when half drunk/drunk people are pulling their mobile phones up to call = their equal drunk pal??? That's right, a = BEE-BE-BE-BE-BEEEB-BEE-BEEEEEEEP! on my tape! Or someone around ME (why just ME, there are LOTS of other people to = stand next to!!!) is calling their friend who couldn't make it to the = show, so that HE/SHE can listen to a whole song on their mobile phone = isntead!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRR......=20 Anyone knows how to edit that out in the masterring process?? I've tried = some on Cool Edit Pro 2,0 but it has not been very successful... I'd appreciate an answer!=20 P.s METAL/ROCK-dat tapers, drop me a line! Jonas/Gothenburg/Sweden ------------------------------ From: "gordon wilson" Subject: ok snakebite Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:02:53 -0400 after this go away. How is a b&p selling??? Gordon "A fool and his money are soon parted. I would pay anyone a lot of money to explain that one to me." Homer J Simpson ------------------------------ From: Scott Goodwin Subject: Stupidest Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:00:37 -0400 >From: Stefan V Morosky >is the most stupidest >thing I ever heard in my life ************* Amen, Bro'. ------------------------------ From: mcmiller@radix.net Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #463 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:07:46 -0400 > From: Seth Breidbart > > > As far as I'm concerned, the artist has the last word, > > not the venue > > What if the venue welcomes taping and the artist doesn't? > > Seth > Seth, reread the end of that last sentence: "ok, unless I'm stealthing and yes I see the hypocrisy in that" So I guess I'll abide by the artist's wishes until we disagree. I never said I wasn't a selfish taper. But I seldom find myself in situations where taping isn't allowed. My choice of music just sort of worked out that way. I have been shut down for taping when the artist didn't want to be recorded. I'm not at all pissed about giving up a few tapes Keith tends to get a little mouthy about stealthing, but his core argument isn't entirely unsound. I have to laugh at some people who try to argue that they are entitled to tape. My original point was that I do not feel that the venue owns the performance, the artist does. And if the artist wants a personal recording of the show (which is what my bitchmere whining was about) then they should be allowed to tape themselves or have me do it for them. Places like the birchmere would not exist if not for the artist who plays there. Without them, the birchmere is a marginally mediocre resturant that probably wouldn't survive long. michael ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************