DAT-heads Digest #468, Volume #6 Fri, 13 Sep 02 12:50:01 EDT Contents: ISO: Tom Petty 7/20/02 Charlotte (Facesplashed@aol.com) Re: audiophile 2496 troubles ("alf") taping/transferring advice ("Mark Rodriguez") Buying from USA in UK (=?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Barnes?=) phono preamps, power amps, and specmanship ("john e. bogus") re: Hank3 taping policy (Smagmapig333@aol.com) Re: The Flat Landers ("Mark Ragsdale") ISO: Robert Plant's 2002 Strange Sensasional Tour!! ("Tatina, Bill") Limiting Wind ("Jason Green") Re: cell phone beeps (john horzepa) ISO: little toby walker (mike hooker) FT: cathie ryan , long island folk and fiddle fest (mike hooker) RE: cell phone beeps ("rush Trader") does Sleater-Kinney allow taping? (Rob Gronotte) Re: [laptop-tapers] Limiting Wind (Alex Prestin) Anyone seen the V3? (mcmiller@radix.net) ISO: Joe Bonamassa Tapers ("Tatina, Bill") Kelly Joe Phelps taping policy (Random Gnome Generator) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Facesplashed@aol.com Subject: ISO: Tom Petty 7/20/02 Charlotte Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:10:36 EDT I'm still looking for Tom Petty 7/20/02 Charlotte on cdr. Please drop me a line if you have it. Thanks, Daniel ------------------------------ From: "alf" Subject: Re: audiophile 2496 troubles Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:15:57 +0200 > After transferring from DAT to my hard drive on my computer crackles not on > the DAT copy are heard throughout the recording. What can I do to get rid of > this? Probably your DMA buffer size is low Open panel of Audiophile and set higher. I select latency 1600 samples and works ok Alf ------------------------------ From: "Mark Rodriguez" Subject: taping/transferring advice Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:15:53 +0000 Hello. I just joined the group and although I am making my way through the FAQ, I was hoping some experienced people could get me going in the right direction. I just purchased a Sony D8 dat. I have been shopping around for mics and was very pleased to see that the ones I have been looking at, the Sp-CMC-2, were mentioned favorably in the last digest. I will also be purchasing the battery module from SP as well. I am wondering about any other equipment that I might need to make a good recording on a moderate budget. With the above equipment, would a mic preamp be necessary or just a way to improve the sound? As far as transferring, I want to be able to get the music onto my computer, a Compaq Presario 7471. What is the best way to do this? Should I upgrade my soundcard? What program is easiest to use to transfer (I have CoolEdit 2000)? Any help would be appreciated since it is very obvious that I am very new to all of this. Please feel free to email me with any questions you might have and thanks so much! Mark South Lake Tahoe, CA marod70@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Barnes?= Subject: Buying from USA in UK Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:17:38 +0100 (BST) Has anyone in the UK purchased a DAT from a US supplier(eg Oade) and if so are there any problems on warranty, power supply to battery charger and most important how did they get round(if they did that is) on not paying import duty or VAT? Do you pay VAT or duty if it was a "private sale"?Any help would be greatly appreciated.After 27 years recording from cassette to DCC to mini disc,I'd really like to go up to DAT but at an affordable price-not more rip-off UK prices.Thanks John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "john e. bogus" Subject: phono preamps, power amps, and specmanship Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:29:56 -0400 Older receivers and amplifiers from the early-mid 1970's usually make great power amps to drive your speakers, but usually contain lousy phono preamps. The reason? The phono preamp section is usually really noisy. To understand this fully, one must first understand signal-to-noise ratio (s/n from here on) and dynamic range. S/N ratio is how quiet an amplifier stage is (how much noise the gain stage contributes to the output signal), measured in decibels (db from here on). Decibels are a ratio....doubling the power mains a gain of 3 db.....double the power again and you have a 4x or 6 db power increase. A good rule-of-thumb test of a power amplifier is how heavy it is.....this implies a more heavy duty power supply that can supply more power to the output stage on instantaneous signal peaks. This results in an increase in what is called dynamic headroom. As an example, one of my power amplifiers is a 1970 Sherwood S-8900. This receiver is rated at 50 watts per channel and 6 db dynamic headroom, meaning that on instantaneous signal peaks the amp can deliver 200 watts per channel without clipping (distortion, or DC on the output signal). It weighs quite a bit more than practically all amps/receivers rated at 50 watts per channel that were produced 10-15 years later. The line input stages of the amp are rated as having a 80 db s/n ratio.....this means that the noise floor (the hiss and hum you hear with the volume cranked and no input signal) of the line input stages is 80 db below the full rated output of 50 watts a channel. But the phono input stage is rated as having a s/n ratio of only 65 db.....turning the input selector from the phono input to one of the line inputs causes a drastic reduction in the noise level of the output . Small-signal level low noise transistors and FET's were not developed and in common use until the mid to late 1970's, but by that time, the days of most amps/receivers having hefty power supplies were pretty much over. Generally speaking, you do not get a good power amplifier AND a good phono preamp in the same box (the exceptions are mostly very high priced products from the 1980's and later). Other than buying an expensive intregated amplifier, the best way out is to get a good separate phono preamp for your vintage power amp. As I bought it used and did not get a manual or specs, I do not know what the s/n ratio of my AGI 511A preamp is, but it sure is a heck of lot quieter than the phono preamp on the Sherwood.....I would guess it's probably around 80 db, which is close to about as good as phono preamps ever got. Another advantage of a separate preamp and power amp is that the preamp usually gives you more line inputs to select from.....a big advantage when you have 2 DAT decks, 2 cassette decks, CD player, turntable, 2 VCR's, and maybe a DVD player all hooked into your stereo. For best results from a phono input stage, nothing beats a high quality separate preamp.....next best option is a decent receiver or integrated amp from the 1980's or later. I also highly recommend older amplifiers (yeah, those old Marantz, Crown, Pioneer, Bogen, McIntosh, etc. amps were and are still great) as power amplifiers, but not as phono preamplifiers. To make the best transfer from a good old analog record, your signal path should look like this: High quality phono cartridge > well isolated (mechanically) belt drive turntable > low noise (greater than 80 db s/n ratio) preamp > line input of DAT deck or CD burner or soundcard. Remember to clean your record and cartridge as well, this will help to preserve your records and also reduce surface noise. Long live vinyl! Thanks for the posting, john e. bogus ------------------------------ From: Smagmapig333@aol.com Subject: re: Hank3 taping policy Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:15:46 EDT >Anyone know what the current status of Hank III's taping policy? >Board patches? or mics? > >thanks >colin As far as I know he still allows board, stands and video. He made it sound like he enjoys it when people tape him. If you can talk to him before/after the show and send him a tape/video. I've always had no problem talking to them before the show and they let the venue know that I would be bringing in gear and that it was ok. hope this helps, Mike ------------------------------ From: "Mark Ragsdale" Subject: Re: The Flat Landers Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:31:42 -0500 ===== Original Message ===== From: "Mark Ragsdale" To: "Mark Ragsdale" <-rags-@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: The Flat Landers > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Ragsdale" <-rags-@sbcglobal.net> > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:59 PM > Subject: The Flat Landers > > > > I am looking to find some Flat Landers on their recent tour. If anyone has > > done any taping and has burned them to CDR, please contact me. I have some > > material to trade, mainly local Oklahoma Red Dirt artists like Bob > Childers. > > I would be interested in working out a b&p as well. > > > > Mark R. > > > ------------------------------ From: "Tatina, Bill" Subject: ISO: Robert Plant's 2002 Strange Sensasional Tour!! Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:44:32 -0700 I have a "SMOKIN" Robert Plant for more 2002 Plant!!! 09-07-2002 Fillmore AUD Denver,CO 2 CD's DATMaster>MBHOka200N>Actives>JK Labs DVC V-12>M1 SonyR500>Optical>HHB830>EAC>CDR I "ONLY" want the following shows in return Maybe you know somebody?? Robert Plant and the Strange Sensations Tour 2002 =============================================== Jul 29 Hersheypark Amphitheater, Hershey, PA Jul 31 Madison Square Garden, New York, NY Aug 01 Madison Square Garden, New York, NY Aug 23 Palace Of Auburn Hills MI Aug 24 Tweeter Center, Tinley Park, IL Aug 25 Verizon Wireless Music Center, Noblesville, IN Aug 27 Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, MI Aug 31 Jones Beach Amph. Wantagh, NY Sep 02 Playhouse, Cleveland, OH Sep 04 Fabulous Fox Theater, St Louis MO Sep 05 Uptown Theater, Kansas, MI Sep 09 Santa Barbara Bowl, Santa Barbara CA Sep 10 Berkeley Community Center, Berkeley CA Sep 12 The Greek Theater, Los Angeles Sep 13 The Joint, Las Vegas ------------------------------ From: "Jason Green" Subject: Limiting Wind Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:47:10 -0500 Any ideas on how to limit wind noise in outdoor venues? Right now I'm just using windscreens. Jason AIM: Chum Kui ---- NEW GS.COM MESSAGE BOARD! http://www.groove-salad.com/forum ---- http://www.groove-salad.com http://db.etree.org/groove_salad ------------------------------ From: john horzepa Subject: Re: cell phone beeps Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:18:58 -0400 >From: "Wayne Brissette" >Subject: Re: cell phone beeps >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:14:55 -0500 > >Digestifier DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net on 11 September 2002 stated: > > > >solution, none, except rally your cell phone companies to go the american > >standard, havent had this problem over here before. completely un-realistic, > >but its about the only choice > >The American "non-standard" is going to go away. Most of the major cell >phone companies are starting to adopt GSM (although at a different >frequency, so interference may not be a problem in North America). Actually, AT&T, Cingular and Voicestream are the primary carriers going to GSM. Verizon and Sprint remain solidly committed to CDMA technology. At some point in the future (much further out than pundits will have you believe) we will move to "3G" cellular, which is mainly going to be CDMA-based. ------------------------------ From: mike hooker Subject: ISO: little toby walker Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:15:15 -0400 hi, probably a long shot, but a superb fingerpicker. anyone have any live Little Toby Walker? he's a long island guy, but does get around on the festival circuit. thanks! please see my music trading page: New URL http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html being its AOL, its not always up. try it a few times, or ask me for a text list. thanks have fun, mike hooker ------------------------------ From: mike hooker Subject: FT: cathie ryan , long island folk and fiddle fest Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:19:20 -0400 hi, i taped the long island folk and fiddle fest last weekend. the line up wasnt as good as last year, but the featured artist was cathie ryan, an awesome celtic music artist. if you like that kind of stuff, she's the one. please see my music trading page: New URL http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html being its AOL, its not always up. try it a few times, or ask me for a text list. thanks have fun, mike hooker ------------------------------ From: "rush Trader" Subject: RE: cell phone beeps Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:28:24 -0400 Technical explanation of US cell phone standards, companies and implementations follows. Skip this email if this bores you. I spent a number of years working with each of the major phone companies in the US as they first implemented Pre-WAP (HDML) phones, through the implementation of WAP and to the point where everything got pushed to the back burner as the high-tech companies who were their biggest data customers all went bankrupt. In the US there are currently 3 systems being used. Verizon and Sprint use CDMA and are on their way to (eventually) implementing 3D in the form CDMA-2000 or WCDMA, two similar 3G implementations. T-Mobile (formerly VoiceStream) and Cingular each use GSM and have already implemented GPRS in major metropolitam areas, which is a 2.5G solution leading toward EDGE as its 3G solution. AT&T is mostly TDMA and partially GSM. They have moved their GSM network toward GPRS and will be converging both networks toward EDGE as a 3G solution. While all of these companies were moving rapidly toward 3G solutions in 1999 and into the beginning of 2000, the timetables have slipped as the telecommunications industry took a huge downturn as the recession which began in 1999 got worse through 2000 and into 2001. As things are starting to recover now, look for te timetables to be spead back up as companies start to increase their telecommunications budgets over the next fiscal year. When it has all finished there will be 2 competing standards, 3G CDMA (either WCDMA or CDMA-2000) and EDGE. Each has its positives and negatives. As it stands right now, CDMA has the clear advantage, as it can has 10x the capacity of TDMA in the same bandwidth and a multiple over GSM as well, although I do not remember the exact number. The biggest problem here is the limited bandwidth in the spectrum. The 3G networks could all have been implemented by now, but you can squeeze somewhere in the area of 100 phone conversations in the same bandwidth as 1 3G data stream. That means that if everyone started using 3G and used it about as often as they do now, a 200 minute plan would have to be about a thousand dollars per month because every saturated cell, which in NY for instance is every one of them) would have to be replaced by something with 100x the capacity. In early 2000, AT&T was at 350% capacity in New York City according to an R&D guy that I met with. They had a long ay to go just to get new capacity for the existing voice customers before 3G data could even be considered. That about does it for the boring lecture! RT _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Rob Gronotte Subject: does Sleater-Kinney allow taping? Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Anyone have recent experience getting permission? Pretty sure they used to allow it since there were several board tapes flaoting around, but that was sveral years ago. Rob Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob ------------------------------ From: Alex Prestin Subject: Re: [laptop-tapers] Limiting Wind Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:01:32 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Jason Green wrote: > Any ideas on how to limit wind noise in outdoor venues? Right now I'm just > using windscreens. Bigger windscreens. - A.P. (no, this is not a smart-ass reply.) -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ | "I do know I'm ready for the job. And, if not, that's just | | the way it goes." -- Presidential hopeful George W. Bush | +----------------------------------------------------70------+ NIC: AP5514 | http://bitey.net | wakko@bitey.net ------------------------------ From: mcmiller@radix.net Subject: Anyone seen the V3? Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:29:43 -0400 It's mid September. Has anyone had a chance to play with a new V3 yet? ------------------------------ From: "Tatina, Bill" Subject: ISO: Joe Bonamassa Tapers Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:03:24 -0700 If you Like BLUES, PLEASE Go see this Guy. Joe's the Best Heavy Blues Jammer Around, He's actually said he PRO = Taper. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/music/article/0,1299,DRMN_54_131710= 0,00.html Bonamassa allows taping at his shows even though bootlegs are popping up = all over the Internet. He doesn't mind the music's being out there, "but no matter how good you = play,=20 if someone has a Sony handheld tape deck, it's not gonna sound good," he = says.=20 Ask for "Roscoe" his Tour Manager http://www.jbonamassa.com/joe_bonamassa_tour_information.htm SEPTEMBER =20 DATE / STATE SHOW INFO / BUY TICKETS VENUE SHOWTIME=20 9/25/02 - MA WBOS Presents Joe Bonamassa Harper's Ferry 11:30PM=20 9/28/02 - TX Austin City Limits Music Festival Zilker Park TBA=20 9/30/02 - MO Joe Bonamassa Headliner Juke Joint * (417) 831-2794 10:00PM = OCTOBER =20 DATE / STATE SHOW INFO / BUY TICKETS VENUE SHOWTIME=20 10/01/02 - MO Joe Bonamassa Headliner The Grand Emporium 9:15PM & = 10:45PM 2 / 60 Min. Sets=20 10/02/02 - KS KRZZ Presents Joe Bonamassa The Cotillion Ballroom 9:15PM=20 10/03/02 - MO Joe Bonamassa Headliner Blueberry Hill 10:00PM=20 10/06/02 - CA KFOG Presents Joe Bonamassa Performing at The 'Bridge to = Bridge Run' Bridge to Bridge Run Official Website 10/08/02 - IN Joe Bonamassa Headliner The Bluebird 9:15PM=20 10/09/02 - IN Joe Bonamassa Headliner Birdy's 9:00PM=20 10/11/02 - MN Joe Bonamassa w/ Shane Henry Opening Cabooze on West Bank = 11:00PM=20 10/13/02 - WI Joe Bonamassa Headliner Mill Creek Blues * (920) 738-7408 = 9:00PM=20 10/14/02 - WI Joe Bonamassa Headliner Shank Hall 9:30PM=20 10/24/02 - VT WIZN Welcomes Joe Bonamassa Higher Ground 9:00PM=20 =20 FT: Joe Bonamassa 12/21/01 Pierre's Entertainment Center Ft. Wayne ,IN SBD>DVD>Optical>SBM>R500>CDR 2 CDR=20 Joe Bonamassa 02/18/02 Boulder Theater Boulder, CO.=09 MBHOka200n>JK Labs V-12>M1 1 CDR Joe Bonamassa 06/26/02 Fiddler's Green Amp Englewood, CO.=09 MBHOka200n>JK Labs DVC V-12>M1 1 CDR Joe Bonamassa Q10 08/13/02 Fiddler's Green Amp Englewood, CO. mbho ka200n >jk labs dvc v-12 > M1 1 CDR ------------------------------ From: Random Gnome Generator Subject: Kelly Joe Phelps taping policy Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Does anybody know what Kelly Joe Phelps' taping policy is? Thanks, Cindy ===== clhoo@rocketmail.com / cinn@catholic.org http://www.geocities.com/Baja/1700 - Homepage http://www.angelfire.com/az/xtapes - Setlists Please think of typos as editing decisions. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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