DAT-heads Digest #471
Contents:
Re: Re: Limiting Wind ("Stanley W. Smith")
Re: Re: Re: Limiting Wind ("Stanley W. Smith")
Dynaco Preamps, vs newer recievers, amps etc. (Keith Bode)
Gomez Taping policy (Edward Davis)
WTD: Jimmy Page / Black Crows, Auburn Hills, Michigan 6/26/00
MARIANNE FAITHFULL LIVE BOSTON 9-14-02 CDR FT ("eD")
TDK CD-Rs (Richard Levy)
HHB Portadat Question--- ("William J. LaPier")
For Trade: Allman Brothers / Derek Trucks 9/14/02 ("John Tsalikes")
hornsby 7/5/02 ("Paul")
reducing wind noise (Joshua)
more on phono preamps and specmanship ("john e. bogus")
Paging Ross McLenehan ("Charlie Miller")
FS: Pair Stewart BPS-1 phantom power (MGr1944360@aol.com)
M1 eating tapes (Bob Dobalina)
Cleaning heads on DAT decks ("Gary Davis")
wanted: nickel creek 9/14 fillmore, sf (brandon@discontent.com)
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and John McEuen (iso please read!) ("gordon wilson")
Re: Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and John McEuen (iso please read!) ("gordon wilson")
From: "Stanley W. Smith" <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Limiting Wind
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:26:08 -0500
Sort of like a 3-D version of a studio pop screen... cool... :)
A bit awkward (no doubt...) but still cool...
The fewer or thinner the struts of the thing are the better, so as
to minimize reflections, and the double protection of the mics
own windscreens and the stretched nylon should really be able to
'knock the wind out of it'... (sorry, couldn't resist the chance for the
pun...)
Stan Smith
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From: "Terry Berrett" <terrapin1@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Limiting Wind
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:34:19 -0400
A friend of mine used this set up with surprisingly good results:
Pick up an 'open' parabolic structure. He used the back half of an electric
fan with the motor and fan blade removed. This left just a parabolic chrome
metal lattice. Rig a setup whereby the mics are sitting inside the lattice
with windscreens on. This may necessitate bending the lattice in the back so
that the mics can fit thru it, and bending the lattice on the bottom so that
the mic stand can pass thru as well. Make sure that the front of the mics
are behind the most forward part of the lattice. Then run panty hose over
the front of the lattice and as much of the sides as possible. The hardest
part was getting the mics and the metal lattice to be attached and stable on
the mic stand. The panty hose purportedly had no noticeable effect on the
audio but did act as a suitable wind diffuser. Warning: be prepared while
using this odd looking thing for the know-it-alls out there to come up and
ask which brand of panty hose works best....
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From: "Stanley W. Smith" <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Limiting Wind
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:42:40 -0500
Nope, no joke... a fairly common solution in the touring theatre & musical
world...
Not only does it keep the actors from sweating out the capsules of the
rather
expensive body mics, and cut down on plosive and rumbling noises, it has
little
effect on the frequency response of the mic... (the usual loss of high-mid
frequencies, but the close placement lets the proximity effect kick in hard,
and
it's not much of a problem in that application) The transmitter packs are
similarly treated before use... nothing like actor-sweat inside a mic
element
or electronic circut board for corrosive effect and ugly noise potential...
;)
Also, in a desperate attempt to keep a set of mics dry and running in heavy
rain,
gusting wind, and/or wet set location recording you can cover the mic and
connector
body completely w/ a condom... secure w/ a velcro tie or gaff tape (looks a
bit odd,
but WTF...it's not in the shot. ;) )
Stan Smith
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From: David Nolan <LiveAir995@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Limiting Wind
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:04:12 -0400
I swear to god this is not a joke - when I used to gather sound for radio
news, we routinely used a dry condom over the end of the mike (no reservoir
tip) if the mic was big enough... Amazing results in high wind
situations...
dave n
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From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Dynaco Preamps, vs newer recievers, amps etc.
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:46:40 -0700
Gd, I haven't heard of one of thse Dynaco Pre-amps being discussed in
decades. My brother had one in the early 70's with 2 Dynaco mono tube
Power amps, about 60 watts each as I recall. The Preamp was beat up,
but it was very reliable, the power amps ate tubes at ridiculus rates.
I believe Chris about the quality of the Dynaco and it's sound, but I do
know there was one thing to watch out for on these. Dynaco made a
complete unit and also a kit version. I would tend to stay away from
one that was a kit version. I dn't know how to tell the difference in
the finished products available today. I had a couple of High school
friends wh tried building kits of the later integrated amp that was
being sold in the early 70's. Neither of them worked right. I know the
problem with one was my friend took a hit of acid, and sat down with a
solderng iron, and finished it, but he swore he got it right.
My question remains: Is there a problem with the 90's era recievers tape
out using the MM and tape output, as there seems to be stated thee was
with some earlier, 70's era phono and tape outs? I bought a Technics
SLD-202 turntable a year ago. I have no records, as my entire
collection was stollen in the mid 80's, and I only bought CD's after
that. If anyone has a record that I could try to convert to digital
using the SLD-202 Direct Drive with a Grado GF3 cartrige and a brand new
stylus>Sony STR-D715>Tape Outs>ART DI/O A/D converter>Delta Dio
2496>wav>Shn, I would be very interested to compare, and give ters the
opporttunity tto compare the sound quality to the set up Chris used. I
would prefer an excellent condition 2 track stereo record to try this
with.
I would definitely return the record and the CD of it to whoever would
be willing to provide a LP in excellent shape.
Keith
Keith
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From: Edward Davis <niceguy1222@earthlink.net>
Subject: Gomez Taping policy
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:52:18 -0700
Hi,
I was wondering if Gomez still allowed soundboard patches on this tour.
If so, who should I ask for in case there are problems at the venue.
Also, does anyone know their soundguy's name.
Thanks,
Ed
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You're going sane in a crazy world."
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From: <dnemeth01@sprynet.com>
Subject: WTD: Jimmy Page / Black Crows, Auburn Hills, Michigan 6/26/00
Reply-To: dnemeth01@sprynet.com
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:23:07 -0400
Hello,
Anyone have the Jimmy Page / Black Crows concert at Auburn Hills, Michigan
6/26/00?
I jsut tired to EAC my year old CD-R for the first time today and there are
lost of errors on it. Very fustrating.
Here is my extensive trade list.
http://home.sprynet.com/~dnemeth01/trades/darren_s_audio_list.html
Thanks,
Darren Nemeth
From: "eD" <lileddie@attbi.com>
Subject: MARIANNE FAITHFULL LIVE BOSTON 9-14-02 CDR FT
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:05:59 -0400
Superb show....second show of the tour....sound is excellent....sonic
studios mics to DAT....then cdr...
something good
falling from grace
kissin time
wilder shores of love
wherever i go
like being born
times square
song for nico
rich kid blues
ballad of lucy jordan
king at night
broken english
working class hero
why did you do it
sliding through life
email me your tradelists...lileddie@attbi.com
especially looking for other Marianne Faithfull, Southside Johnny, sleater
kinney,.
and THE DOORS WITH IAN ASBURY!!!!!!
"The Future's Uncertain and the End is Always Near"........Jim Morrison
"I'll tell you this man, all I want to do is have my kicks before the whole
shithouse goes up in flames."......The Lizard King
From: Richard Levy <liverich@sunlink.net>
Subject: TDK CD-Rs
Reply-To: liverich@sunlink.net
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:45:31 -0400
Subject:
TDKs
Date:
Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:48:13 -0400
From:
Richard Levy <liverich@sunlink.net>
To:
TheSchoolNerd@aol.com
I use the matted silver branded green dye Taiwan made blanks, and I have
NO problems. Rich
From: "William J. LaPier" <wjlapier@charter.net>
Subject: HHB Portadat Question---
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:42:07 -0700
well,
i didn't think it would happen to me--famous last words. i bought a used
portadat from someone who has sold stuff on this list in the past. the deck
was supposed to have 36 hrs on the heads--reported to be in excellent
condition. i thought i was getting a great deal! well, i got it and it
doesn't work properly. and there is a small gold piece on the spdif output
that is missing--i was told the rcas were in fine condition when i asked
specifically about them. no response from the seller regarding this--yet.
actually, my question is this--what does the "caution" message mean on these
decks. i didn't get a manual, so i'm wondering if there is some sort of
"reset". when i power up the deck and load a tape i get the word "caution"
flashing in the lcd screen. now the inner lid can't open--wtf!?!?
why would someone sell something in this condition and at the same time say
there are no issues. btw, from what i was told by this person she was a
phish and moe taper for awhile. i can't believe one of our "OWN" would do
this. my bubble has been burst. this whole situation has been one huge
bummer for me. so much for trusting someone you don't know---
i apologize for the rant. but i think some of those considering buying gear
from this list and others need to be very careful. i've bought and sold my
share of gear and never has this sort of thing happened. buyer beware!
bill
From: "John Tsalikes" <jtsalike@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: For Trade: Allman Brothers / Derek Trucks 9/14/02
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:13:25 -0400
Hey Gang! I have the Derek Trucks & Allman Brothers Band show from Ruth
Eckerd Hall In Clearwater, FL up for grabs. Real nice quality. Send me
those lists!
From: "Paul" <prennix@fortnet.org>
Subject: hornsby 7/5/02
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:56:48 -0600
Hiya DAT heads, I have an extra copy of:
7/5/2002
Bruce Hornsby HSMF Mainstage
FOB MBHO 603>MP-2>ADC-20>P1
it is on 1 90 (Sony dgp) and I was hoping someone would want to trade for
this.....
Take care,
Paul
From: Joshua <sprung598@yahoo.com>
Subject: reducing wind noise
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:09:25 -0700 (PDT)
> Any ideas on how to limit wind noise in outdoor
venues?
A very cheap and fairly effective way of reducing wind
noise is to cut a swatch of acoustically transparent
fabric (the same stuff they use to cover speakers) and
cover the end of the microphone with it. Then, while
holding the fabric in place put on your windscreens
over it. This does dampen the high end of the
recording a bit, but, as some one else mentioned,
high-end solutions to wind noise are pricey.
-Josh
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From: "john e. bogus" <mallness@surfbest.net>
Subject: more on phono preamps and specmanship
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:13:52 -0400
I think a person doing the transfer of records-LP's, 45's etc neeeds to
weigh the condition of the records, and the desired use of the CD's
produced against the ccost/benefit of getting the ideal equipment, such
as external separate Pre-amps and A/D converters.
**An excellent point! Few of us have the cash to blow on the
"ideal".....the components that make the most audible difference are going
to be those ahead of the A/D converter in the signal path.....unfortunately
these days, the choice of available turntables and cartridges has narrowed
considerably.....good luck to those shopping for anything but the most
expensive gear or the cheapest junk for analog LP reproduction.
I'm not sure why John specified using a Belt Drive turntable vs a direct
drive. I know the Technics SL 1200, and it's varius versions have been
the standard in both live music and I believe broadcast studio
applications. I can't think of any reason why a belt drive would be
desired over a direct drive, unless there is a chance of some rumbling
from the direct drive.
**I was speaking in terms of a general rule-of-thumb, to which there are, of
course, always exceptions.....mechanical isolation from floor vibration and
rumble is precisely why most belt drive turntables are the desired choice
for a given price range.....the SL 1200 is one of the exceptions for sure!
This is a GREAT turntable.....had them at a radio station I worked at some
years back, and it has by far the best isolation of any direct-drive
turntable I'd ever encountered. If I remember correctly, it was kind of
pricey, but these days might be one of the best values for the money
compared to the other choices on the market.
As John brought up the s/n ratio of the older equipment, his post didn't
address the s/n ratio of 90's era recievers, or integrated amps on their
Phono inputs. I realize that in the 90's these inputs were put in, and
in most consumer units the manufacturers probably doubted they would be
used, but none the less were they improved, as IC boards became the
mainstay of these products?
**An EXCELLENT question.....anyone have the answer to this one? My personal
guess is that the phono preamp stage in the 1990's went the same way as the
PA stage did in the 1980's....from discrete components to "gain block" type
IC's.....more cost effective to make, but hardly high performance. Maybe
they went to "low-noise" FET input op-amps? Answer? Recommendations?
Anyone?
Thanks for the posting,
john e. bogus
From: "Charlie Miller" <charliemiller87@earthlink.net>
Subject: Paging Ross McLenehan
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:32:39 -0700
Sorry to bother everyone. Ross, please email me..cm
From: MGr1944360@aol.com
Subject: FS: Pair Stewart BPS-1 phantom power
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:04:30 -0400
This is it for my gear...Just have the BPS-1's left....These are practically brand new....They run on 2 batteries and have powered my Earthworks for 3-4 hours....The cheapest I've found them for on the net is 170 a pair, I'll let them go for 125...
Thanks,
Matt
From: Bob Dobalina <bobdobalina22@yahoo.com>
Subject: M1 eating tapes
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:21:09 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks to everyone to responded to my first post
inquiring about DPA mics. Now I've got another
problem. I recently purchased a used M1 DAT to get
into live taping (about a month ago) and more than
once now its decided to eat the tape on me. When it
does this, it will go into a loop where it displays
that its Loading then Unloading the tape continuously.
And when I open up the deck the tape will be out of
the shell and wrapped around the inside of the deck. I
don't think I'm doing anything wrong, but if anyone
has some helpful advice or could tell me what the best
way to go about getting this repaired would be, it
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Bob
I'll start giving a BWT once I have taped a few shows
and have something to trade :)
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From: "Gary Davis" <gdavisloop@earthlink.net>
Subject: Cleaning heads on DAT decks
Reply-to: gdavisloop@earthlink.net
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:31:52 -0700
Routine cleaning of heads is not necessary and it's also not a good
idea - dry cleaning tapes put excessive wear on the heads. Helical
scan systems - where the heads spin at high-speed across the
tape - are intrinsically self-cleaning.
Normally, you should only use a cleaning tape if you are having
problems, ie, a steady high error count on one or both heads. (If
you don't have or can't access the error counter, the audible result
would be constant noises in playback, or no sound at all).
--Gary
From: brandon@discontent.com
Subject: wanted: nickel creek 9/14 fillmore, sf
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:33:38 -0700 (PDT)
Will gladly trade, b&p or whatever I have to do to get a copy! email me if you
have a copy or know that a copy exists - my rig crapped out early into the show
and need to have the full recording!
Thanks!
Brandon
From: "gordon wilson" <gordonlw@mindspring.com>
Subject: Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and John McEuen (iso please read!)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 04:43:49 -0400
hello fellow datheads
I'm looking for some good high quality NGDB and/or John McEuen. My mom is a
huge fan and her birthday is coming up. She travels all over to see these
guys and as she said to me "I finally understand why you drive all over the
country to see music." Anyway I'd love to set up a QUICK trade for some
dirt band. Her birthday is the 24th so I'd like to get something set up
fast.
http://www.phishhook.com/lists/datdork
Gordon
"A fool and his money are soon parted. I would pay anyone a lot of money to
explain that one to me."
Homer J Simpson
From: "gordon wilson" <gordonlw@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and John McEuen (iso please read!)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 05:59:58 -0400
oh yea. I can't trade DATs anymore only cd. can B&P for dats if I need to.
Gordon
"A fool and his money are soon parted. I would pay anyone a lot of money to
explain that one to me."
Homer J Simpson
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From: gordon wilson <gordonlw@mindspring.com>
To: dat heads <dat-heads@datheads.phish.net>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 4:43 AM
Subject: Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and John McEuen (iso please read!)
> hello fellow datheads
> I'm looking for some good high quality NGDB and/or John McEuen. My mom is
a
> huge fan and her birthday is coming up. She travels all over to see these
> guys and as she said to me "I finally understand why you drive all over
the
> country to see music." Anyway I'd love to set up a QUICK trade for some
> dirt band. Her birthday is the 24th so I'd like to get something set up
> fast.
> http://www.phishhook.com/lists/datdork
>
> Gordon
>
> "A fool and his money are soon parted. I would pay anyone a lot of money
to
> explain that one to me."
> Homer J Simpson
>
>
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