DAT-heads Digest #484
Contents:
FS: Tascam DA-P1 + Custom Battery System ("Dave Pecoraro")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #483 (Dennis Bathory-Kitsz)
$800 to record a show (Edwin Hurwitz)
Re: town hall taping ("Markham, Timothy")
Re: town hall taping (Eliot Byron)
Re: town hall taping (Seth Breidbart)
Re: DAT-heads Digest #483 (Seth Breidbart)
open taping at bela shows (randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU)
re: Tube Preamps in the field (acffh)
unidecker / newbie / whomever offer (E.Easterly)
Union Venues ("Brian Dowling")
Battery pack for the AIWA HD-S100 portable (Alejandro Montiel)
kinda cool web site - audiophiles only :-) ("K.A. Long")
Chicago Jazz Festival (McKenzie)
charging $ for taping ("jff@ix.netcom.com")
re: $800 to record a show (aneurysm9@thepentagon.com)
their name in vain ("Mickey Forvey")
$800? Try $25K.... (Joshua)
for trade Phil and Ratdog 7-28 wpb/wanted Springsteen in KC 2002 ("paul gluchanicz")
a shot in the dark ("alf")
Harry Chapin ("Bob Siegl")
Re: $800 to record -- again, it's a union thing, people. (Joe Rioux)
Nomad jukebox records properly with new firmware ("Jamie Lutch")
M1 digital patch questions... (David Nolan)
From: "Dave Pecoraro" <davepeck79@attbi.com>
Subject: FS: Tascam DA-P1 + Custom Battery System
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:05:30 -0400
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From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <bathory@maltedmedia.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #483
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:13:49 -0400
>From: "Wayne Brissette" <waynefb@earthlink.net>
>I've worked two trade shows in NYC. You better not even think about
>plugging crap into electrical outlets unless the union rep does it.
Years ago, when Charlotte Moorman was giving her avant-garde festivals, she
missed this bit in her Shea Stadium festival (1976, I think it was).
Everything was arranged, 100-plus performers (including yours truly) showed
up and plugged into the outlets in the stands ... and then the union showed
up and CUT everyone's power cord at the plug. Heck of a day that was.
Dennis
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From: Edwin Hurwitz <edwin@indra.com>
Subject: $800 to record a show
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:43:06 -0600
Having played in band that played a lot of venues that were on the
slightly higher profile (Shockra), I can assure you that getting
charged to make a recording, even of your own band, happens a lot. We
made a live recording (never released) at the Paradise in Boston and
aside from hiring an engineer, renting gear, tipping the staff for
getting us in early for an extensive soundcheck, etc, etc, we also
had to pay several hundred dollars for the privilege of recording
ourselves. We also played at the Berklee Performance Center and they
were going to flatly deny us the privilege, except that I knew the
house manager, so he let me patch in a DAT. Once you get the more
traditional halls (like Town Hall in NYC), there are far more palms
to grease and so $800 does not seem out of the ordinary. I sure wish
I had a recording of my grandfather playing there in 1942!
Edwin
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From: "Markham, Timothy" <tmarkham05@student.law.du.edu>
Subject: Re: town hall taping
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:55:00 -0600
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From: Eliot Byron <ebyron@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: town hall taping
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:15:11 -0400
tim
I had been quietly lurking
as a member of local one IATSE in NYC
AND
a taper (team schoeps since 91)
Thanks
Eliot
> You mean other than the intense labor that they put in all day to make sure
> that the show goes off without a hitch? I'll admit $800 is excessive but let's
> not turn this into some kind of union-bashing stereotyping. That's really
> uncalled for.
>
> Tim
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: town hall taping
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:50:30 -0400 (EDT)
>> so the $800 is a taping fee the union charges... makes me glad that I
>> stealth there instead. I'd make the union do something for their
>> money.
>
> You mean other than the intense labor that they put in all day to make
> sure that the show goes off without a hitch? I'll admit $800 is
> excessive but let's not turn this into some kind of union-bashing
> stereotyping. That's really uncalled for.
They put in the exact same labor whether or not anybody tapes, so
they're already getting paid for it. The $800 fee is pure extortion.
Seth
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #483
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:05:20 -0400 (EDT)
> Years ago, when Charlotte Moorman was giving her avant-garde festivals, she
> missed this bit in her Shea Stadium festival (1976, I think it was).
> Everything was arranged, 100-plus performers (including yours truly) showed
> up and plugged into the outlets in the stands ... and then the union showed
> up and CUT everyone's power cord at the plug. Heck of a day that was.
The union members were arrested for Vandalism and Malicious Mischief?
(That would have been my response. At least they'd be safe in jail
from the audience who wanted to know why they weren't getting a show.)
Seth
From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU
Subject: open taping at bela shows
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:02:38 -0700 (PDT)
hi all!
anyone have recent experience to share taping bela fleck & flecktones
i'll be attending the show friday and wanted help decided whether or
not i need to pack light...
...i'm pretty sure the union fees won't apply to this gig...
-rand0m
From: acffh <morst@tds.net>
Subject: re: Tube Preamps in the field
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:31:41 -0500
Todd wrote:
> i dont recall ever seeing much talk about using tube mic pre-amps for
> DAT concert recording. is there some issues with them that they are
> not optimal for concert recording?
morst responds:
Tubes will run hot, and require air circulation, but DON"T GET THEM
WET! Guitarists, for instance, often have tube amps, but they are
usually on a stage under a shelter or roof in case of rain.
Tubes can sound great when overdriven just a bit, but I wouldn't
overdo it. I prefer tubes for playback, mellow on the ears. If you
are going to be recording with tubes (or any gear!), run the preamp
as hot as you can without unacceptable distortion in order to keep
the dynamic range as wide as possible.
I would caution that it's fine to use tubes to "warm up the sound"
but it can't be undone on a given recording. .. use the "tube
effect" sparingly.
good luck, let us know how it goes!
-t
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From: eeast@usa.net (E.Easterly)
Subject: unidecker / newbie / whomever offer
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:32:00 -0700
I have come across some used data DATs that have been erased. I will put
anything you'd like from my 950hr DAT collection to tape in exchange for
the same amount of new blank DATs. No money changes hands and you get a
good bunch of DATs for trading. I started my first tape collection in the
very same way. You can choose as many DATs as you like (really! as long as
you're patient). Also, if any tape has a problem, I will copy it anew and
send it your way.
This offer is good as long as I am able to clone dats, so essentially,
there is no expiration or limit to number of people.
I have the following on tape ready to send.... choose any or all from the
below block or from my list. Contact me personally for the url.
Dead 1977.12.27 Winterlad 90
Allman Bros 1997.08.12 Polaris Amp 90
Jeff Beck 1999.03.24 Massey Hall 60
Cream 1968.10.04/19 Oakland Coliseum 60
Miles Davis 1969.11.03 Paris 60
Deep Purple 1972.02.22 BBC 60
Hendrix 1968.10.12 Winterland 90
Jethro Tull 1993.10.16 Hammersmith Odeon 90
Led Zeppelin 1973.07.06 Chicago Aud 90
MMW 1998.11.17 The Tabernacle 90
Pink Floyd 1971.09.19 Altes Casino 90
S & McLaughlin 1973.05.05 International Aud 60
John Scofield 1998.05.29 Wilmer's Park 90
1998.09.20 Hartford, CT 90
Neil Young 1970.02.25 Music Hall 90
1971.02.27 Royal Festival Hall
1976.11.22 Boston Music Hall 60
Phish 1997.07.31 Shoreline Amp gen1 90
1997.11.21 Hampton Coliseumgen1 90
1997.11.22 Hampton Coliseumgen1 90
Trey Anastasio 2002.05.24 Bill Grahm CC gen 1 90
Genesis 1-24-75 + Rush 2-10-78 90
From: "Brian Dowling" <euphoria1@mindspring.com>
Subject: Union Venues
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 02:28:59 -0400
Pier 6 in Baltimore, Maryland is also a Union Hall. I was instructed by the
Union representative and the promoter of the show not to record from the
soundboard, nor have a microphone stand to record despite the band allowed
taping and had the band speak to the repesentative and promoter. The
soundman of the band I was taping was also instructed not to record the show
well in advance to soundcheck.
Brian
From: Alejandro Montiel <mymjv2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Battery pack for the AIWA HD-S100 portable
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 04:05:33 -0700 (PDT)
Hello all:
I am posting this a second time hoping that someone
could provide some info on how to get a battery pack
for an AIWA HD-S100 portable I recently purchased. I
could also build one if anybody has info on this.
Please note that I live in Germany and international
money transfers are somewhat expensive. I could pay
for it with blank tapes or any other convenient method
which does not involve a money transfer. I do not know
if money orders can be sent from here (I guess they
can be), but I can find out if an offer comes up for a
battery pack.
Thank you all for your help.
Alejandro Montiel
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From: "K.A. Long" <klong@UBmail.ubalt.edu>
Subject: kinda cool web site - audiophiles only :-)
Reply-to: klong@UBmail.ubalt.edu
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:12:49 -0400
A friend turned me on to this URL:
http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/
You may remember those hard plastic, round pancake-like things
that when placed on a revolving disk with a needle, output sound.
The site owner has written a rough -draft bit o' software,
using incorrect assumptions. But he can put an LP in his scanner
(four times) , run the code to assemble it analyze the depth of
the grooves and play it back as a .wav file.
I'll return you now to the general list eye-poking fun.
klong
From: McKenzie <tsmckenzie@onnetmail.com>
Subject: Chicago Jazz Festival
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:23:45 -0500
ISO - recordings of the Chicago Jazz Festival. Did anyone tape anything
there? I have lots to trade. Please respond to my address above.
Thanks!
From: "jff@ix.netcom.com" <jff@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: charging $ for taping
Reply-To: jff@ix.netcom.com
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:27:00 -0400
>Let me shed some light on the situation=2E=2E=2E=20
>In some jurisdictions the IATSE (International Alliance of Theatrical and=
=20
>Stage Employees aka: the Local Union) has contract provisions in place
with=20
>the venue, promoter, or production company that is producing the show tha=
t=20
>stipulate an additional fee be paid in the event the performance is=20
>recorded for commercial purposes; film, video, potential album release,=20=
>later rebroadcast, etc=2E=20
>If the fee is not paid then the show may be forced to cancel due to lack
of=20
>crew=2E=2E=2E=20
Actually, the situation is sometimes even worse than this=2E In classical=
venues in NY (Carnegie, Alice Tully Hall, etc) the fee can go as high
as $5000-$10,000, and can apply even when the artist just wants a tape to
document his performance=2E I know of cases where a pianist has rented a
hall on his own to give a recital and has had to _sneak_ a minidisk in to=20=
get a record without paying the additional $10,000=2E These guys LOVE
(but very quietly) friendly stealth tapers=2E
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From: aneurysm9@thepentagon.com
Subject: re: $800 to record a show
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:36:05 -0400
>If you pay to record a show do you then own the rights to the =
>performance? And if you own the rights can you then legally sell copies
=
>of the show to whomever you wish? Where does this leave the artist?
Well, considering that the copyright for works made for hire belong to the
employer, not the creator, then it is possible that the payment of a fee
results in the copyright being transferred to the taper. The venue would
probably argue that they licensed the work and Hornsby would probably
argue that they didn't have the authority to either license or sell it,
but it would be interesting to see how such an issue came out.
Anthony J. Mirabella
University of Dayton
School of Law
Feel ye sorry for the sparrow on the floor
Lest he rise up and maim your cat
From: "Mickey Forvey" <mysterytaper@hotmail.com>
Subject: their name in vain
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:59:10 +0000
momma say say say you gotta jibboo. momma say you gotta jibboo. keep on
drinking too. whatever you do take care of your shoe. these are some of the
most influencial and bround breaking lyrics known to man. DO NOT EVER
CRITICIZE PHISH! THEY ARE GOD!
ps - i need a miracle - who's got my extra? kick it down bra!
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From: Joshua <sprung598@yahoo.com>
Subject: $800? Try $25K....
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:06:18 -0700 (PDT)
....to record at Radio City Music Hall
Ironically enough, I had an interesting conversation
with a sound guy who was running the board for the
Yonder Mnt. Kinfolk Celebration a couple of weeks
back. He mentioned the unions and that you had to
pony up $25K PER NIGHT to record at RCMH. Similar
obnoxious fees were mentioned for MSG, as well (which
doesn't make sense, as I've got MSG recordings from
the Dead there).
He also told a funny story about the Greek in LA on
Jerrys b-day (I think it was LA) where the String
Cheese folks went to bat to try and get taping allowed
there - lawyers were involved, the whole shootin'
match, and taping (even audience) still wasn't
allowed. SO...they they ran a feed into the crowd
against the wishes of the union...just as the guys
were walking on stage to start the show, one of the
union guys saw the feed and they had to bag the whole
thing.
Anyone want to do some online Zappa trades?
-Josh
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From: "paul gluchanicz" <paulphish@hotmail.com>
Subject: for trade Phil and Ratdog 7-28 wpb/wanted Springsteen in KC 2002
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:03:18 +0000
I have a nice Phil and Ratdog sets from WPB 7-28-02 for trade. Looking
for any intersting show, specially any recent Bruce shows, the KC
from last night specially.
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From: "alf" <md2001@mclink.it>
Subject: a shot in the dark
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:14:44 +0200
Looking for the following PREMIATA FORNERIA MARCONI of recent south america
tour
7/21/2002 ZACATECAS PLAZA DE LOS TOROS
7/19 2002 MEXICO CITY MEXICO Salon 21
7/16/2002 PANAMA CITY PANAMA TEATRO BALBOA Balboa
7/13/2002 CARACAS VENEZUELA Teatro Del Colegio - Santa Rosa de Lima
dat or Cd
regards
Alf
From: "Bob Siegl" <kindnation@hotmail.com>
Subject: Harry Chapin
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:22:35 +0000
Anyone have any Harry Chapin recordings? Please Email me an we'll arrange a
suitable trade. Good Day -
Bob
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From: Joe Rioux <jrioux@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: $800 to record -- again, it's a union thing, people.
Reply-To: jrioux@attbi.com
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:26:07 -0400
> From: pwking <sleepypedro@yahoo.com>
>
> as robert 'plummer' o'haire summed up this afternoon
> in a post that was apparently missed by many, the $800
> fee to record at Town Hall had *nothing* to do with
> hornsby's people extorting from tapers, nor somebody
> pulling a scam on datheads, or anything of that
extortion -> scam -> unions -> that nature
I'd argue that it's certainly arguable it is of
"that nature". Though I agree not directed at
tapers, just in rat-fucking the artist. No
big deal though, right?
> nature. it's the required payment for a non-union
Required - in the eyes of the unions only. That
doesn't make it "required" and definitely not right.
At least not as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, I understand it happens. But change doesn't
happen by shrugging your shoulders and saying "that's
just the way it is". Unions grew out of the need to
undo "that's just the way it is", namely the mistreatment
of workers not so long ago. But how we got from there
to here I'll never know.
Suggestion for a solution? Dunno. I wish I had one
though.
Joe
From: "Jamie Lutch" <jlutch@altairinc.com>
Subject: Nomad jukebox records properly with new firmware
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:33:48 -0700
The new jukebox firmware is out today (1.20.06). I did a bunch of beta
testing for them over the last few weeks, and it now records flawlessly on
the digital in. I even fragmented the hell out of my 40GB drive, forcing it
to record into 20-50mb sections all over the drive, it still was perfect.
The new firmware also adds level meters and adjustable gain on the line in
recording. quite a deal for $350, considering it replaces your dat, firewire
hard drive, and cd player with one, self-powered unit.
-Jamie
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From: David Nolan <LiveAir995@earthlink.net>
Subject: M1 digital patch questions...
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:52:02 -0400
A couple of M1 digipatching questions:
1) A strange thing - last Thursday, I patched out of my friend's DA-P1
SPDIF output (->short 75-ohm "RCA" cable->Oade active cable set to "digital
in"->M1 7-pin input). Made a perfectly fine tape. Then, last night, exact
same 2 machines, saw happy levels on the DA-P1 and the M1, A-time just fine
on both machines, I get home, and my DAT is totally blank - no audio, no
A-time, NADA :-(
Anyone have any ideas what I might have done wrong here? FWIW, I had a
recent incident of an almost identical problem two weeks ago with a D8
taking a totally analog feed (through the line in jack) - levels and A-time
looking happy for the whole show, my friend got the tape home, totally
blank... Que pasa?
2) I have a Fostex D5 at home in the rack with AES (XLR) digital I/O's.
I have heard tell that it's possible to run a digital copy either from the
M1 to the Fostex or vice versa by using an XLR->RCA adapter out of the
Fostex and a 75-ohm RCA cable->Oade cable - even though one machine is "AES"
and the other one is "SPDIF". Anyone have any pointers - I am hoping to
borrow last night's DA-P1 master and do a digital clone for myself if I can
make it work properly...
Thanks in advance for any advice anyone can offer...
dave n
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