DAT-heads Digest #488, Volume #6 Fri, 27 Sep 02 19:50:01 EDT Contents: Re: $800 & the Union questions... ("Stanley W. Smith") WTC Survivor hoax.. ("JP Flanery") Re: Down with DRider ("JASON BRANTLEY") Virus alerts... (Brian LaPan) Rush Shoreline ISO another copy (Ted Mattes) Re: Down with DRider aka Hawkind ("DRider") ISO: bowie camden, who camden, supertramp beacon (Dave Avery) Re: Down with DRider aka Hawkind (Joe Rioux) ITS A HOAX (stuart) FT: David Grisman Quintet 9-25-02 (stuart) FS: Lunatec V2 ("John Petroskas") Morrissey/Bowie grovel (Toby Germano) Re: Virus alerts... (Seth Breidbart) free white stripe show in nyc - please tape (jcarvalh) Cleaning DAT Tape (Mathias Rombach) Re: tube pre-amps for concert dat recording? (Mathias Rombach) ISO: The Who Aug. 24, 2002 - Tinley Park (Chicago), IL (Richard Hammond) Audio Capable DAT Drives - $80 shipped (August West) SPRINGSTEEN - STONES (aneurhythms) Re: Kudos to listers like Jamie Lutch (Alan Saferstein) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stanley W. Smith" Subject: Re: $800 & the Union questions... Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:06:17 -0500 If the artist has authorized the recordings and provided the equipment, paid the $#$!&^*^*!!! baksheesh to the Union etc. then they're his to do with as he wishes. His tapes, his music. Any deal made with an outside party to record w/o the artists' full knowledge and consent grants you no rights to the artists' intellectual property. It just means that the plugger is stealing from both you and the artist... The pluggee should follow standard taper ethics when dealing with such tapes... Your tapes, his music,fee or no fee. Anything less makes you as guilty of theft as the yobbo charging for the patch. Spreading out the damage by asking for donations seems like it would probably be ethical. No one is required to contribute unless moved to do so, and again no one holds any rights to the artists' music on the tapes by such a contribution. Lastly, I highly doubt the stomping the tapes story is anywhere near true... All of the Dead's crew were, and still are card carrying IATSE members in the S.F. Local and have supported and honoured Union picket lines and job actions in the past. (They've also blown through a few as well, but as we all know; "Never Trust A Prankster..." ;) ) Nuff said, Stan Smith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Jason Neely Subject: $800 buys you exactly what? Reply-To: bondibox@bellsouth.net Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:15:35 -0400 > If you pay to record a show do you then own the rights to the > performance? And if you own the rights can you then legally sell copies > of the show to whomever you wish? Where does this leave the artist? If you pay the venue to patch in, and they in turn (supposedly) compensate the Union, that would imply some kind of agreement. This reminds me of the deal with Jerry @ the LFT in '87 when the union guys would come in the day after the show and symbolically boot-stomp the master reels. Seems that no matter how much Jerry & Co. wanted those tapes it was out of their hands. I imaging the Knit has a similar union agreement. If the hand can taketh away with impunity and without the artists consent, it looks like it's safe to say they have the capacity to give/sell access to the board with equal impunity. Still, I think the fee gives you the right to have the recordings exist (anyone remember a huge Springsteen fan getting his entire collection nabbed by the RIAA?). It also introduces a grey area assuming they would only do this for bands that allow taping. -jas --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 08/21/2002 ------------------------------ From: "JP Flanery" Subject: WTC Survivor hoax.. Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:45:56 -0700 Hey Now! Just wanted to let "ya ya" all know.. The WTC Survivor virus scare is a hoax.. heres a url from network associates.. http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99245.htm back to the salt mines.. JP... "China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese." ---Former French President Charles De Gaulle ------------------------------ From: "JASON BRANTLEY" Subject: Re: Down with DRider Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:46:30 -0600 I have to disagree with you 100% on this one. I know D to be a quality upstanding member of the trading community. And yes for the high profile shows with limited ticket availablity, if your not holding then stay home and hold it, period. JB Thanks for the WSP 6/24 B&P DRider! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Brian LaPan Subject: Virus alerts... Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:01:25 +0000 Seth wrote: > Please don't forward virus warnings without checking on them. It only > makes you look like a fool. > on the other hand, if one PROPER warning gets through, it will save alot of people alot of hassle. When you see a message you don't want... hit the delete key! or digest users (like me) ... keep on scrolling! cheers, brian ------------------------------ From: Ted Mattes Subject: Rush Shoreline ISO another copy Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:53:11 -0700 (PDT) hey all, just procured a nice recording of Rush from Shoreline...with MK4s...problem is, a guy to the left of the rig is singing every word (and I mean, every one--) which despite otherwise great sonic presence and such makes the listen quite annoying. Did anyone else get RUSH from Shoreline? thanks, t __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "DRider" Subject: Re: Down with DRider aka Hawkind Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:38:25 -0400 So now I have people posting to DAT-Heads trying to insult my character. All because I took exception to this post: From: "Mickey Forvey" Subject: their name in vain Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:59:10 +0000 momma say say say you gotta jibboo. momma say you gotta jibboo. keep on drinking too. whatever you do take care of your shoe. these are some of the most influencial and bround breaking lyrics known to man. DO NOT EVER CRITICIZE PHISH! THEY ARE GOD! ps - i need a miracle - who's got my extra? kick it down bra! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you have a problem w/ this post? 4 people have emailed me personally to thank me for my post and that they agreed w/ me. I am not bitter about not getting Phish tickets. After being a Phish phan for 10 years, I have a pretty large group of Phish related phriends. We help each other out w/ tix, tapes, rides to shows and headies for the trip. If there's tix to be had, we will get them and share. Hell, my friend Walt lives right outside of Hampton and he got shut out. If he was bitter, I could totally understand! I am bitter about the type of posts people are sending to DAT-Heads. For the record this Schwigiddy's friend was ranting about going to Bonnaroo w/o a ticket and looking for a miracle. My response was that people should not go to shows w/o tix. My last Dead show was Deer Creek 1995. It was my 99th Dead show. I would have made 100, but they canceled the next day because of the ticketless scumbags that knocked down the fence. I still believe that people should not go to shows w/o tix. Then the guy posts a massive rant and his bud Schwigiddy sent some pretty insulting stuff to the list about me. This list's purpose was to discuss Bonnaroo and that's it. I don't know either of these guys and I had already decided to sell my ticket to Bocabob and go to Red Rocks for Phil instead. So I unsubscibed. How is that lame? I don't apologize when I have done nothing wrong and people I don't even know send massive rants insulting my character. Schwigiddy, you missed the point of my previous DAT-Heads post. You obviously have just been waiting to bash me in public. That Bonnaroo thang was about 6 months ago. Talk about a grudge. Let it go dude! I wonder if anyone has anything positive to say about me on DAT-Heads.....? Anybody get some sweet tapes from me from any of my offers? Anybody a recipient of some help pertaining to taping or equipment? ".....bashes another innocent bystander....." ???? Give me a break! Anybody wanna trade Government Mule 8/30/02 Aspen or Phil & Friends 8/30/02 Aspen or Warren solo acoustic 8/31/02, Ratdog 8/31/02, Phil & Friends 8/31/02 or Willie Nelson 9/1/02, Phil & Friends 9/1/02 Red Rocks?? That's where I went instead of Bonnaroo. Oh, I have tapes of that event to trade too..... ") By The Way - it's Hawkwind, not Hawkind. Hawkwind is a band that has been around since 1969. D-Rider is a song by Hawkwind. It stands for Dragon Rider. I don't know what Hawkind is...... Peace, D-Rider ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Schwigiddy Subject: Down with DRider aka Hawkind Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:16:55 -0700 (PDT) yeha be on the look out for this guy, he was on a list that i was on & decided to take it upon him self to slam a friend of mine because he said he was going to a show without a ticket hoping to find one, DRider told him he had no right to do so & he should just stay at home. my friend retaliated with rage ( not my weapon of choice but, ) so i had to get these 2 to calm down. instead of DRider calming down and appologizing he just unsubscribes from the list, pretty lame. i don't think Sean is goin to shut down DAT-heads because someone is making a Phish comment. i am not the biggest Phish fan i could care less about going to NYE, i would love to but, no skin off my sack but, i will not sit here while this guy bashes another innocent bystander just because of his preference of music falls far from from the likes of Phish. so here's my BWT - sorry to Sean for the bitchin but, someone had to start a new thread. ------------------------------ From: Dave Avery Subject: ISO: bowie camden, who camden, supertramp beacon Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:21:19 -0400 Looking for any audience recording of these shows. Lots to trade. TIA, David Avery ------------------------------ From: Joe Rioux Subject: Re: Down with DRider aka Hawkind Reply-To: jrioux@attbi.com Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:37:03 -0400 > From: Schwigiddy > > yeha be on the look out for this guy, he was on a list > that i was on & decided to take it upon him self to > slam a friend of mine because he said he was going to > a show without a ticket hoping to find one, DRider > told him he had no right to do so & he should just > stay at home. Well, he *was* right. You idiots who do this just don't get it do you? DON'T GO TO THE SHOW WITHOUT A TICKET! ------------------------------ From: stuart Subject: ITS A HOAX Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:28:27 -0400 Its a hoax!!!!! I try to always check these things out before I inundate peoples e-mail with them. http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wtc.survivor.hoax.html peace, stuart ------------------------------ From: stuart Subject: FT: David Grisman Quintet 9-25-02 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:35:04 -0400 I made an excellent recording of DGQ 9-25-02, MICROTECH GEFELL UMT 70'S > LUNATEC V2 > SONY M-1 available on DAT / 2 CD'S early show MICROTECH GEFELL UMT 70'S > LUNATEC V2 > SONY M-1 available on DAT / 2 CD'S late show Anyone interested in a trade? Send me your list. peace & blessings, stuart ------------------------------ From: "John Petroskas" Subject: FS: Lunatec V2 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:54:48 +0800 Due to financial need and a very limited amount of time available for taping, I've reluctantly decided to sell my lightly-used Lunatec V2 preamp. Price is $850 firm including priority shipping & insurance, all original documentation, packaging, power cord, and two custom-made 12" XLR>XLR cables (for connection to a DA-P1). If you're interested or have any questions, please drop me a line at: jpetroskas@operamail.com Thanks! Tax/giveaway: I'll send the first four people who respond one of the following four great-sounding Phil & Friends shows (one show per person, you send me a blank mailer with postage and I'll send you the disks - no blanks needed!): 10/18/00 Riviera, Chicago 10/19/00 Riviera, Chicago 10/20/00 Riviera, Chicago 10/21/00 Riviera, Chicago -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ From: TGermano@webtv.net (Toby Germano) Subject: Morrissey/Bowie grovel Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:30:45 -0700 (PDT) I'm desperately seeking the recent Northern California Bowie and Morrissey shows. I have lots to trade, including recent Elvis Costello shows in Berkeley & Melbourne. Thanks, Toby Toby Germano tkz@davidbowie.com http://community.webtv.net/TGermano/GERMANOWARFARE ------------------------------ From: Seth Breidbart Subject: Re: Virus alerts... Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:32:45 -0400 (EDT) >> Please don't forward virus warnings without checking on them. It only >> makes you look like a fool. > > on the other hand, if one PROPER warning gets through, it will save alot > of people alot of hassle. Except for the people who just ignore them, having seen hundreds of bogus warnings with no real ones. (cf "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf!'") Before posting one, just check symantec, mcafee, or even google. (I should note that _once_ I received a legitimate warning before the usual anti-virus software companies got to it. That was on a private mailing list with representatives from a bunch of large (Internet-related) companies and ISPs. Think about this: how likely are you to get notified about such a thing earlier than the companies that make their livings from fighting them?) Seth ------------------------------ From: jcarvalh Subject: free white stripe show in nyc - please tape Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Who: WHITE STRIPES What: FREE Concert When: This Monday, September 30, 2002 @ NOON Where: Union Square Union Square Park W. 17th between union square e & w New York, NY 1000 If someone could hit this it would be awfully appreciated. Thanks --- Jeff ------------------------------ From: Mathias Rombach Subject: Cleaning DAT Tape Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:25:16 +0200 Hy, to be honest: I did not use it very often. I just open the deck and clean the heads by using alcohol. Mathias ------------------------------ From: Mathias Rombach Subject: Re: tube pre-amps for concert dat recording? Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:33:21 +0200 Hy, sorry for the late answer ... There is a beautiful device to buy: SPL Gold Mike (www.soundperformancelab.com or .de). It costs about 800 USdollars. Itīs a two-channel device. It has phantom power, a -30dB-PAD, ..., and a circuit called "FLAIR". That makes the sound more "warm" for your ear. I use it very often since about three months. Itīs much better than for example the Behringer Tube Ultragain because it works with the high voltage for the tubes (250 volts). Therefore it needs the power from a plug ! Mathias ------------------------------ From: Richard Hammond Subject: ISO: The Who Aug. 24, 2002 - Tinley Park (Chicago), IL Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:02:07 -0500 Looking again to see if anyone else got a copy of this show. I was taping from the lawn with decent results, except that I didn't realize that Plant and The Who would run well over 3 hours and subsequently missed the last few minutes of The Who even after switching over to 32 kHz during The WHO's encore (and subsequently getting diginoise on that portion of the tape to...) Anyway... some Who to trade in return, lots of other bands as well. Thanks, Rich ------------------------------ From: August West Subject: Audio Capable DAT Drives - $80 shipped Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Anyone have any experience/comments about this device? From: audiocapable@earthlink.net Subject: Audio Capable DAT Drives - $80 shipped Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:29:42 -0400 These DDS-2 tape drives can read and write audio DATs. They have been sold as Archive/Conner/Seagate drives with the model names of Python 4326/CTD8000/Peregrine. They come with mounting rails and a faceplate that result in a 5 1/4 inch form factor for mounting in a standard drive bay. They are SCSI drives with the older 50-pin interface. These drives are used but are in working condition. They have the 01931-XXX 5AC firmware, which allows them to read and write audio DATS at more than double speed using the dat2wav or vdat packages. They are excellent for getting audio from a DAT onto your hard drive, with .wav files broken up by start ID, a perfect solution for converting to CD-R. Because they operate at double speed, they are also excellent for cloning. Price of $80 includes insured shipping in the continental U.S. by UPS Ground or equivalent. If you are elsewhere or prefer another mode of shipping, please inquire. Payment by PayPal, postal money order or cashier's check. Email audiocapable@earthlink.net with questions or orders. Also available: The same drive in an external configuration. Original Seagate drive case, power and SCSI cable included, $100 shipped. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: aneurhythms Subject: SPRINGSTEEN - STONES Reply-To: aneurhythms@ziplip.com Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Still looking for recent Springsteen & Stones shows. I have Springsteen 9-22 Pepsi Ctr. - Denver FOB: MBHO 603A/KA200N's>MP-2>SBM-1>D100 I am ONLY interested in (DAT) trades of other MBHO, Schoeps, B&K, etc., sources at this time. Peace, -TaperB ------------------------------ From: Alan Saferstein Subject: Re: Kudos to listers like Jamie Lutch Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:34:38 -0400 Yeah, Thanks Jamie! Who knows how long, if at all, it would have taken Creative to get on fixing the recording problem on the Nomad Jukebox III. One of these is gonna go Grrreeaaattt! with my Inbox. Has anyone seen the Nomad Jukebox Zen (in Japan)? It looks equally impressive and smaller, but I don't think it's available in the US and I couldn't find whether it has optical input (doubtful, but hopeful). The picture showed USB and IEEE. I know what you mean Winnie, like back in the day when Alex Chin would tell us stories about taking his portable decks apart and sanding the heads. I'd eagerly await each digest hoping he would tell us more. Truly a pleasure to read. Techie stuff you could understand and relate to. Where has Alex Chin gone? Alan > From: "Winnie" > Subject: Kudos to listers like Jamie Lutch > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:28:42 -0400 > > Lots of emotional emails lately on DATheads.. its exciting and refreshing to > find posts from listers like Jamie Lutch. > ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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