DAT-heads Digest #489, Volume #6 Sat, 28 Sep 02 14:50:01 EDT Contents: Re: Down with DRider aka Hawkind(BWT incl.) (Robert Fisher) SGI DAT DRIVES $80 DELIVERED W/ 30 DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE ("datman") from binaurals to cardioids ("Javi Dieguez") Re: Mass diginoise on newly recorded tape (Darryl Deyerle) iso martin amdur ("Dave Stephens") ISO: power cord for DA-P1 (magichatr9@juno.com) Needed: Mic clips for Schoeps CCM4's (Mark Mayhle) Re:down with DRider (DancinFace@aol.com) StarFest request/Lisa Loeb (JHParkin@aol.com) Sir Paul McCartney in Hartford CT 9/27 (jagabrieljr@aol.com) Kudos to Jamie, Winnie ("Holland, John") Re: $800 & the Union questions... ("matt Sohn") Mini me question (ZepMan@aol.com) Delta DIO 2496 on Windows 2000 (Jason Neely) ISO Blues at Sunrise (Gear119348@aol.com) Re: tube pre-amps for concert dat recording? ("James G. Lykos") @#%! bootlegger (Joshua) Re: Mini me question (Todd Romero) Re: tube pre-amps for concert dat recording? (Todd Romero) Re: Mini me question (Seth Breidbart) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Fisher Subject: Re: Down with DRider aka Hawkind(BWT incl.) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:21:49 -0400 Well Folks......I have to chime in here. I completely agree with the philosophy of DRider regarding the Phish post. He is an upstanding member of this list, and has contributed positively to the taping community. I commend him for being a leader. We all care alot about this hobby and our love for music, or we wouldn't be gathered here now. Tapers have always had a "police ourselves" attitude that perpetuates the priveledge of taping. This forum is not a place to discuss personal differences. BWT: Trey Anastasio Band 6-9-02--Cleveland, OH AKG 483>PS-2>Zefiro Inbox>DA-P1 (3 discs) Take it easy, Rob ------------------------------ From: "datman" Subject: SGI DAT DRIVES $80 DELIVERED W/ 30 DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:29:58 -0500 SGI DAT DRIVE WITH AUDIO SUPPORT CTD8000H-S 3.5" form factor drive with rails and 5.25" bezel (i.e., CTD8000R-S) This Peregrine series DAT drive has 4GB native capacity with 120m tapes and 8GB hardware compressed capacity. SCSI interface. This drive supports both data and DAT audio and can read/write audio at 2.2x with special software for the PC, e.g. Vdat or Dat2Wav. SCSI inquiry string reports "ARCHIVE Python 01931-XXX 5AC". This drive is used, but has been tested and is in excellent working condition. 30 DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE and UNLIMITED TECHNICAL SUPPORT. No international shipments. Paypal accepted for credit card transactions. USPS Money order/cashier's check also accepted. References furnished upon request. E-mail datman@midsouth.rr.com with any questions. Robert ------------------------------ From: "Javi Dieguez" Subject: from binaurals to cardioids Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:44:23 +0200 I'm seeking a bit of advice on cardioid mics. After having used binaural mics on a hat for 14 months I feel the need to have a cardioid pair that will help me deal with some acoustic enviroments with lots of reverberation...and that will allow me to get better sounding tapes from the middle of halls. I've heard of shoeps, neumanns, MBHO...etc, I know they are expensive, I have also seen pics and they are bulky. Can any of these be used for stealth taping, and can they be mounted in a hat like omnis? Which might be the best quality/price option? If anybody also has got a decent used pair for sale, I'll also be glad to know about it. Thanks! Javi ------------------------------ From: Darryl Deyerle Subject: Re: Mass diginoise on newly recorded tape Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:34:53 -0700 Just recieved my new PCM-M1 from Terrapin in the mail and was reading the manual (Wow! What a concept!). It states that cell phones can cause interference while recording. The guy in front of me had his cell phone pointed to the stage the whole show. I know this is a long shot, but could this have caused all the diginoise on my tape? Anyone have any experience with this? TIA to anyone who responds! Darryl ------------------------------ From: "Dave Stephens" Subject: iso martin amdur Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:41:09 -0400 your email addy is boucin back. i need some show info from ya. thanx ds wob- phil 6-29-02 my master discs. 2d one track each. km184>dmic20>d8 to the first digester to hit my mailbox after i get the next digest. include digest number. ------------------------------ From: magichatr9@juno.com Subject: ISO: power cord for DA-P1 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:19:20 GMT Anyone got a power cord for their DA-P1 they want to get rid of? mine works, but the end that plugs into the deck is fragile and is a bit shady. LMK off list Ben BWT: Strangefolk 7/12/02 w/al schnier on guitar ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ From: Mark Mayhle Subject: Needed: Mic clips for Schoeps CCM4's Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:21:17 -0500 (CDT) I'm looking for a pair of clips for CCM4's-- these don't clip onto the "body" of the mic but onto the stubby little smaller diameter section between the body and cable. If you have them for sale please contact me! BWT: Buddy and Julie Miller, 9/1/02, Bumbershoot, Seattle, CCM4>SX-M2>D100>Conner CTD-8000>Plextor burner, 1CD, first few for B&P. I'll let you know if you're in! -- Mark Mayhle mark@mayhle.com ------------------------------ From: DancinFace@aol.com Subject: Re:down with DRider Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:05:38 EDT hey Schwigiddy, first off, ya got no idea who the d-man is. I for one support the fact that if ya dont have a ticket for a show, stay at home, plain and simple. If your not inside while the music is playing, what good are you doing our community outside?? Absoulutely none. And for you to publicly flame him for this, now thats pretty lame.. Get that finger out of my face, D2 From: Schwigiddy Subject: Down with DRider aka Hawkind Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:16:55 -0700 (PDT) yeha be on the look out for this guy, he was on a list that i was on & decided to take it upon him self to slam a friend of mine because he said he was going to a show without a ticket hoping to find one, DRider told him he had no right to do so & he should just stay at home. my friend retaliated with rage ( not my weapon of choice but, ) so i had to get these 2 to calm down. instead of DRider calming down and appologizing he just unsubscribes from the list, pretty lame. ------------------------------ From: JHParkin@aol.com Subject: StarFest request/Lisa Loeb Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:09:36 -0400 The show is today September 28. If anyone is taping Lisa Loeb I would like to get a copy. Woodward Park Rotary Amphitheatre at Freeway 41 STARFEST Band Schedule 3:00 - 3:30 Bev 3:45 - 4:15 Milk For The Morning Cake 4:30 - 5:00 Buzzbomb Phase 4 5:15 - 5:45 Sleepover Disaster 6:00 - 6:45 40 Watt Hype 7:00 - 7:45 Scapegoat Wax 8:00 - 8:45 Rosey 9:00 - 10:00 Lisa Loeb Thanks, Jeff JHParkin@aol.com www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Arena/8088/index.html ------------------------------ From: jagabrieljr@aol.com Subject: Sir Paul McCartney in Hartford CT 9/27 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:44:36 -0400 Hello All, What an honor it was to see the man himself last night. I can't believe that man is 60 years old. I am just grateful I had a chance to finally see him. It will go down as a very memorable evening. I taped it and it came out great. I was center and the crowd was very quiet. Keep in mind one thing before you send me an e-mail, this will generate a ton of requests. I don't turn anyone away. This means that if you want to trade with me, it does take patience. It may take some time for me to complete the trade. Also, if we set up a trade, please follow through. Everytime I offer a show there are a handful that never send. OK, go ahead and e-mail me your lists. Lets setup some trades. jagabrieljr@aol.com Paul McCartney Hartford Civic Center 9/27/02 master source: AT853 > battery box > D8 Thanks, Jim ------------------------------ From: "Holland, John" Subject: Kudos to Jamie, Winnie Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:49:15 -0400 'we would benefit by staying on topic and lets talk taping and equipment, "sprinkled" with the "human factor", not overwhelmed by it.' I couldn't agree more, Winnie. most of the human factor posts belongs offlist. People like Jamie remind me of why I signed up for this thing in the first place. John WOB pt1: as many as I can take, BnP only for CDs http://db.etree.org/Xpanding WOB pt2: will do DAT clones of Utah jamgrass (thanks Jason, the tapes sound great) for all takers. BnP of course. missing part of Cowan's set, everything else is cherry. Longlivebluegrass. ------------------------------ From: "matt Sohn" Subject: Re: $800 & the Union questions... Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 05:09:31 -0500 For another spin on this thread, how's this one: A couple of years ago a friend of mine went to videotape Gong at the House of Blues in Chicago (he was doing this for the band, mind you) shortly before the show started, the house forced the band to sign an agreement authorising the HOB to recieve 99% of any profit made from commercial use of the resulting video. This from a band that had to borrow money to get back to Australia when the turnout for their tour fell far short of expectations. Hows that for extortion? Don't expect Gong to tour in the US anytime soon, and don't expect to see me at any HOB shows ever (I hate the smell of cigar smoke) -mahatma Another short story: Last year I worked for a friend who was hired by the Chicago Symphony to record a show by members of the CSO Brass along with Sones de Mexico at the Old Town School of Folk Music. We arrived at 8:00am to set up the equipment (this was a 24-track recording, intended for commercial release) and took a break from about noon til 7:00 pm. When I got back at 7, I learned that since the proper permissions had not been recieved from the Musicians Union, we would not be allowed to record the CSO Brass. Since my boss had a contract with the CSO, he still got paid for the job (so did I), but we had to turn off our machines every time a CSO member was performing (a bit of a tricky deal since the two groups were alternating songs, and performed together at the end). The CSO paid thousands of dollars for their mistake, didn't get the recording they were after, the people who would have bought the resulting CD never got to hear the music, and the union musicians got screwed by their own union. Crazy world isn't it? > > If the artist has authorized the recordings and provided the equipment, > paid the $#$!&^*^*!!! baksheesh to the Union etc. then they're his to > do with as he wishes. His tapes, his music. > > Any deal made with an outside party to record w/o the artists' full > knowledge > and consent grants you no rights to the artists' intellectual property. It > just > means that the plugger is stealing from both you and the artist... > The pluggee should follow standard taper ethics when dealing with such > tapes... > Your tapes, his music,fee or no fee. Anything less makes you as guilty of > theft as > the yobbo charging for the patch. > Spreading out the damage by asking for donations seems like it would > probably > be ethical. No one is required to contribute unless moved to do so, and > again no > one holds any rights to the artists' music on the tapes by such a > contribution. > > Lastly, I highly doubt the stomping the tapes story is anywhere near true... > All of the Dead's crew were, and still are card carrying IATSE members in > the S.F. > Local and have supported and honoured Union picket lines and job actions in > the > past. (They've also blown through a few as well, but as we all know; > "Never Trust A Prankster..." ;) ) > > Nuff said, > > Stan Smith > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Technology is like bread. Baked fresh, delivered a little stale,and meant to be used right now, as it will be hard and brittle tomorrow" -Stephen St. Croix ------------------------------ From: ZepMan@aol.com Subject: Mini me question Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:29:46 EDT So I just ran the mini me for the first time and it ran extremely hot (not temperatures) level wise. Someone at the show said that I could change some dip switch setting to back the unit down. I was wondering if anyone has done this or if anyone can direct me to the information somewhere online. I'll be taping the same act tomorrow. If the help arrives (before I leave) I will offer up the show as btw. thanks, Marc ------------------------------ From: Jason Neely Subject: Delta DIO 2496 on Windows 2000 Reply-To: bondibox@bellsouth.net Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:52:18 -0400 Hi gang, I was having a huge problem making my first clones with my Delta DIO 2496. The problem was that after dumping to the harddrive, upon playback, the S/PDIF signal was being resampled by the card. I slapped the card into my Mac, and the card would resample the analog signal depending on my settings, but the clone was clean. I wrote to m-audio and this is what they had to say: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This problem that you are talking about had us scratching our heads too. The problem you are experiencing is the Windows Kernal Mixer resampling the wav before it passes it through the DIO card. This is a known issue with the K-Mixer and Microsoft Windows. This is not an M-Audio problem. Here is a link from Microsoft that discusses this issue: Windows 2000 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q308883 Microsoft did not fix this with Service Pack 3. Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack1 takes care of this. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ By the looks of it, the problem isn't isolated to just Midiman customers - so I wonder why this isn't a major known issue? best of luck to all you fellow Win users. -jas ------------------------------ From: Gear119348@aol.com Subject: ISO Blues at Sunrise Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 09:58:35 EDT While listeneing to a Stevie Ray Vaughan with Albert King CD, Albert says that he recorded the song "Blues at Sunrise" with Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin at the Fillmore West. Anybody know where I might find this recording? I've searched list after list and cannot find reference to it anywhere else. Was Mr. King Geezing? Terry ------------------------------ From: "James G. Lykos" Subject: Re: tube pre-amps for concert dat recording? Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:09:49 -0400 Hello, I was looking into this myself a few months ago, but the $$$ involved with some of the better preamps was a bit too much. I looked at the D.W. Fearn preamp ($3000), but that requires plug-in power and weighs a ton. It is awe-inspiring, though. Another preamp that was recommended, but is not a tube preamp, was the Jeffrey Dakin eq / phantom power / preamp. Each unit is for one channel so you would need two of them ($1500 each), and has four tone controls. They also supply phantom power and run off 12v. If you are in the market for essentially a $3000 preamp that sounds like tubes (but is not a tube preamp), you may want to check out the Jeffrey Dakin. --Jamie Lykos jlykos@nc.rr.com ------------------------------ From: Joshua Subject: @#%! bootlegger Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:10:24 -0700 (PDT) http://www.tuneinagain.com/catalogs/page1.html quite a little biz they've got going on their cdrs Tune In Again PO Box 3195 Pasco, WA 99302 509-628-0580 you can complain to their web hosting at abuse@christianwebhost.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Todd Romero Subject: Re: Mini me question Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:05:41 -0400 (EDT) when in doubt, check the manufacturers website. http://www.apogeedigital.com/pdf/minimeman.pdf On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 ZepMan@aol.com wrote: > So I just ran the mini me for the first time and it ran extremely hot (not > temperatures) level wise. Someone at the show said that I could change some > dip switch setting to back the unit down. I was wondering if anyone has done > this or if anyone can direct me to the information somewhere online. I'll be > taping the same act tomorrow. If the help arrives (before I leave) I will > offer up the show as btw. > > thanks, > Marc > ------------------------------ From: Todd Romero Subject: Re: tube pre-amps for concert dat recording? Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:13:39 -0400 (EDT) this is the unit i have for a pre, and will be doing some upcoming shows, trey, ratdog, etc., hopefully including phish :), to test it out. (-->apogee ad500) so ill be sure to post results. (unless they suck :P) http://www.presonus.com/html/products/bluetube.html yes, it has an AC power adapter, but like i mentioned, i have a working solution for that. :) On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, James G. Lykos wrote: > Hello, > > I was looking into this myself a few months ago, but the $$$ involved > with some of the better preamps was a bit too much. I looked at the D.W. > Fearn preamp ($3000), but that requires plug-in power and weighs a ton. It > is awe-inspiring, though. Another preamp that was recommended, but is not a > tube preamp, was the Jeffrey Dakin eq / phantom power / preamp. Each unit > is for one channel so you would need two of them ($1500 each), and has four > tone controls. They also supply phantom power and run off 12v. If you are > in the market for essentially a $3000 preamp that sounds like tubes (but is > not a tube preamp), you may want to check out the Jeffrey Dakin. > > --Jamie Lykos > jlykos@nc.rr.com > ------------------------------ From: Seth Breidbart Subject: Re: Mini me question Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:34:07 -0400 (EDT) > So I just ran the mini me for the first time and it ran extremely > hot (not temperatures) level wise. Someone at the show said that I > could change some dip switch setting to back the unit down. I was > wondering if anyone has done this or if anyone can direct me to the > information somewhere online. RTFM You don't say if you were going line in or mic in. If line in, the recessed pots on the front control the levels. If mic in, page 24 of TFM shows where to move jumpers to lower the gain. They don't specify the exact effect, but they do say that the standard setting is maximal gain, for use with low-output mics and/or soft sounds. When I get one, for use with B&K (DAP) (very high output) mics and usually rock music, I'll be switching them. The manual is available from Apogee's website, http://www.apogeedigital.com/pdf/minimeman.pdf Seth ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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