DAT-heads Digest #564, Volume #6 Wed, 4 Dec 02 19:50:00 EST Contents: Re:Re: Bit for Bit perfect, IMO re:U24 (Keith Bode) Re: Bit for Bit perfect, IMO re:U24 (Seth Breidbart) ISO Dylan 10/20/02 ("tony") ISO: moe. 11.08.02 charlotte NC (Nemo420@aol.com) Creative Nomad Jukebox 3 (David Sadowski) Novwmber's My DAT mASTER ("Tommy") SPDIF lingo reminder aka 'resampling de-why-ces' (Thomas Wulf) ISO: Ratdog SBD from Japan's Fuji Fest. Will trade Stones secret (Eric Reichenbach) ndc: Crosby show info needed (Eric Reichenbach) FS: DA 30 MKII (David) ISO Diana Krall Memphis Orpheum show (CCage@aol.com) ISO: U2, Portland, OR April 15, 2001 (erik johnson) ndc: iso: VITO from San Diego (Eric Reichenbach) FA/FS: Opcode DAT PORT - Free shipping!!!! ("Otten, William") December Springsteen Shows ("Axl Slash") ISO: Austin TX tapers - KGSR broadcast ("Todd Norman") no smoking policy and the beacon theatre in NYC ("John R. Vanderpool") WTB: DAT drive (Chris Mueller) FS: 1 gnr MSG (Scott C. Brown 02) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Bode Subject: Re:Re: Bit for Bit perfect, IMO re:U24 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:03:24 -0800 Joe, I didn't start the thread on the U24 and Bit for Bit Accuracy, so get your teeth out of my ass please. Your breaking up my sentences, to use my words as a basis for a personal attack is something that indicates more about you, than me. If DAT>DAT was 100% guaranteed bit for bit accurate, why would pro quality DAT decks have error counters? I have had several copies of the same Dead run on DAT. All of them had different flaws at different places. They were all supposed to have been cloned off the same DAT or clones of that DAT. If you can't see the difference between a few errors that are interspersed, and inaudible to any human, vs errors being made on top of errors being more likely to be audible, you are missing the reality of duplication. And as far as tolerance to ambient shit, perhaps what you would listen to over and over, I would pitch after 10 seconds. Have you never run an md5 on a set of SHN files and had it come up with a file that doesn't verify, only to burn the decompressed wav file to CD, and not hear audible flaws in the track? If a error rate amongst bits is 1/1,000,000 I defy you, and anyone else, to find a human who can hear that. As my prior post had no error rate specified, it's not possible to tell if I am writing about what is out of the range of all human hearing or not. I do not interject my comments in the middle of others comments, because doing so seems to be a deliberate method to break up the continuity of an individuals opinion, therefore a deliberate, belittling effort. That opinion, regardless of who's it is, I will respond to as an entity, not a collection of disjointed statements. Returning to the errors in DAT's, since pro quality DAT decks have error counters in them, it seems if they didn't make errors, why have an error counter? As far as computers are concerned, once an audio signal enters a computer it is subject to EMI-RMI. Can anyone say factually that the audio signal in a computer never has errors introduced by EMI-RMI, and done so before any md5 can be created? In a DAT forum, that comment relates to where does a U24 send a signal from a DAT to? I personally have found the obsession with bit for bit recording, transferring etc. remarkably AR, especially when the original source is a 15+ year old analog recording. By all means I want as accurate as possible of a duplication or original recording, but absolute flawless bit for bit accuracy is something I have trouble buying. Don't for a second believe I use shit equipment because of this belief. IMO, it's like if the CIA and all their technology can't find Bin Laden, how can we make sure every bit in 700 MB is in the right place for a few hundred bucks? Keith Keith ------------------------------ From: Seth Breidbart Subject: Re: Bit for Bit perfect, IMO re:U24 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:10:12 -0500 (EST) > If a error rate amongst bits is 1/1,000,000 I defy you, and anyone else, > to find a human who can hear that. Do I get to choose which bit? (Hint: digital silence with one high-order bit on is a very audible POP.) At 44.1 K samples/sec (time 2 channels), you'd get a high-order bit error about every 11 seconds, and I assure you that would be quite audible. > Returning to the errors in DAT's, since pro quality DAT decks have > error counters in them, it seems if they didn't make errors, why > have an error counter? There is error correction. So long as the raw error count stays low enough, all errors are corrected. Seth ------------------------------ From: "tony" Subject: ISO Dylan 10/20/02 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:33:26 -0600 Anyone tape Dylan in Vegas 10/20/02? Have a large list to trade. I would greatly appreciate as it was a fantastic show but did not travel with my rig. Thanks a lot. Tony ------------------------------ From: Nemo420@aol.com Subject: ISO: moe. 11.08.02 charlotte NC Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:50:55 EST --part1_2b.3274b28c.2b1ed59f_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2b.3274b28c.2b1ed59f_alt_boundary" --part1_2b.3274b28c.2b1ed59f_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_2b.3274b28c.2b1ed59f_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_2b.3274b28c.2b1ed59f_alt_boundary-- --part1_2b.3274b28c.2b1ed59f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Nemo420@aol.com Full-name: Nemo420 Message-ID: <7e.31f59275.2b1ecf75@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:24:37 EST Subject: ISO: moe. 11.08.02 charlotte NC To: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_2b.3274b28c.2b1ecf75_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL For Mac OS X sub 25 --part2_2b.3274b28c.2b1ecf75_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey guys, if anyone has a good copy of moe 08 November 2002, Grady Cole Center, Charlotte NC I wold love a copy. currently I can only trade CDs because someone sotle my D-8 at a phil&friends show last year...anyway I cant clone , I have aome of the Otherones recent shows to trade and a lot of moe. anyone who can help me out please let me know --part2_2b.3274b28c.2b1ecf75_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey guys, if anyone has a good copy of moe 08 November 2002, Grady Cole Center, Charlotte NC I wold love a copy. currently I can only trade CDs because someone sotle my D-8 at a phil&friends show last year...anyway I cant clone , I have aome of the Otherones recent shows to trade and a lot of moe. anyone who can help me out please let me know --part2_2b.3274b28c.2b1ecf75_boundary-- --part1_2b.3274b28c.2b1ed59f_boundary-- ------------------------------ From: David Sadowski Subject: Creative Nomad Jukebox 3 Reply-To: dsadowski@ameritech.net Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 22:02:56 -0600 Just wondering if anyone has used the Creative Nomad Jukebox 3 for live recording. It's less than half the cost of a DAT and has some potential advantages (i.e. sleek size, possibly better for stealthing... no tapes to buy, 20 GB hard drive, firewire file transfer to PC. What I'm wondering is, do you get to look at your levels during recording, and is there some sort of peak limiter like my DAT has? (Without levels you can look at or a peak limiter, you'd run the risk of unintentional distortion... plus a peak limiter gives you variable compression, which is a good thing.) ------------------------------ From: "Tommy" Subject: Novwmber's My DAT mASTER Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:09:27 +0900 Hello! RED HOT CHILLIPEPPERS 02.11.10 Saitama Super ARENA,Japan 100/DAUD/Sennheiser-MKE2>SONY PCM-M1/DM/EX PAUL McCARTNEY 02.11.11 Tokyo Dome,Tokyo,Japan 160/DAUD/Sennheiser-MKE2>SONY PCM-M1/DM/EX 02.11.13 Tokyo Dome,Tokyo,Japan 164/DAUD/Sennheiser-MKE2>SONY PCM-M1/DM/EX 02.11.14 Tokyo Dome,Tokyo,Japan 170/DAUD/Sennheiser-MKE2>SONY PCM-M1/DM/EX PRINCE 02.11.15 Tokyo Interbational Forum,Tokyo 150/DAUD/Sennheiser-MKE2>SONY PCM-M1/DM/EX 02.11.18 Nippon Budokan,Tokyo 150/DAUD/Sennheiser-MKE2>SONY PCM-M1/DM/EX 02.11.19 Nippon Budokan,Tokyo 150/DAUD/Sennheiser-MKE2>SONY PCM-M1/DM/EX I want DAT trade! I'm looking for a copy of Gorge Harrison Memorial Concert,Rolling Stones,Neil Young ,AEROSMITH, Guns N'Roses,Robert,Plant,Dylan,Springsteen etc....... in 2002tour. I'll accpt Radoi & TV broadcast aircheck recording. Sorry, no time for B&P right now. Look forward to hearing from you. Peace Satsuki ------------------------------ From: Thomas Wulf Subject: SPDIF lingo reminder aka 'resampling de-why-ces' Reply-To: Thomas Wulf Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:52:13 +0100 << if you want a full << bit for bit copy you need << to avoid USB altogether Busy Bus? Buddy, Another Good Question, But: Where Does The Time Go? Lock to External Means Reading Like A Real Deck Resampling Bails Out. Bit For Bit Copy? No Bit Out Of Synch?! Time Code! Is Needed! For That. :):):) Thomas mailto:TaWulf@wulfware.de ------------------------------ From: Halfstep-2@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach) Subject: ISO: Ratdog SBD from Japan's Fuji Fest. Will trade Stones secret Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:30:39 -0500 (EST) show from Toronto. Or I have a bunch of Dead/Dylan/Hornsby etc. ------------------------------ From: Halfstep-2@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach) Subject: ndc: Crosby show info needed Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:11:44 -0500 (EST) I have a single disc labelled LA 12/7/93. It is a sbd. Anyone know more about it? Will B&P a couple copies of it. ------------------------------ From: David Subject: FS: DA 30 MKII Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:16:31 -0500 Hi all, Have converted all my DATs to CD and am selling DA 30MKII with 2 SPDIF cables. This deck has been used mainly for transfer of DATs to CD and has been well cared for. Cables are less than a year old, 1 monster and 1 American Digital. Asking $300. obo. Inquire off line. BWT: First 2 for anything from my list http://db.etree.org/dyeman Thanks David ------------------------------ From: CCage@aol.com Subject: ISO Diana Krall Memphis Orpheum show Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:42:54 EST Happy Holidays to All I'm hoping to hook my Dad up w/ a copy of Diana Krall's last show of current tour in Memphis. I believe it was 11-26-02. He was there and was blown away. He is a serious jazz freak and used to see Miles, Coltrane, Getz etc.. in S.F. back in the 50's. He's hip to the stealth scene and asked if I could put feelers out. If anyone in Memphis managed to pull this, reply offline to ccage@aol.com I have tons of HQ stuff to trade. Peace, Chris ------------------------------ From: erik johnson Subject: ISO: U2, Portland, OR April 15, 2001 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:49:33 -0800 (PST) Looking for this show as a christmas gift to my wife. I have much to trade (no other U2 shows though). write and I'll send my list. thanks Erik ===== Erik Johnson That_Damn_Racket@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Halfstep-2@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach) Subject: ndc: iso: VITO from San Diego Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:54:22 -0500 (EST) Vito, please email me. Your old address isn't working.........Eric ------------------------------ From: "Otten, William" Subject: FA/FS: Opcode DAT PORT - Free shipping!!!! Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:32:16 -0500 Shipping is FREE!!!!!!!!!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23784&item=926288670& rd=1 ------------------------------ From: "Axl Slash" Subject: December Springsteen Shows Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:59:20 -0500 Hello DAT Friends, I was wondering if any of you out there have or will be recording any of the Springsteen shows in December. I myself have one coming up and was looking for some info so I can get a good recording of my show. I'm interested in any tips any of you may have. Also, I would like to know about what time the shows have been starting lately, so I don't start recording too early or get surprised and not be ready when the show does start? I'd also hate to run out of tape or Battery juice! Any long intros like on the last tour when the band took the stage one at a time at the beginning of the show? About how long in time are the shows running now? Any info you can provide would be Great! Thanks everyone! Happy taping! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ From: "Todd Norman" Subject: ISO: Austin TX tapers - KGSR broadcast Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:49:09 -0600 I'm looking for someone in Austin to record the FM broadcast of the KGSR Anniv Party that is this Friday at 7:30. Web info can be found here > http://www.kgsr.com/iTOOLIncludes/anniversary12.php I'm specically only looking for the Jayhawks set to be recorded. Which would mean sitting home on a Fri night for someone : / Anyone care to help me out ?? TIA, Todd bwt -- e me and we'll work something out ------------------------------ From: "John R. Vanderpool" Subject: no smoking policy and the beacon theatre in NYC Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:03:50 -0500 (EST) i hear the NYC no smoking policy is actually happening but i wonder if there is a chance in hell that it will work at the beacon theatre, has anybody been there lately? i want to see the annual march allman brothers run but about gagged last year on the smoke... ------------------------------ From: Chris Mueller Subject: WTB: DAT drive Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:15:34 -0600 i am interesting in getting a DAT drive for my computer that i can use to extract audio from DAT's i've recorded onto disk for editing. where would i be able to find one of these? thanks Chris ------------------------------ From: Scott.C.Brown.02@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Scott C. Brown 02) Subject: FS: 1 gnr MSG Reply-To: scb02@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG Date: 04 Dec 2002 19:28:29 EST i have a pair in section 74, row h seats 1 and 2. looking for someone to sit with me. face value ($75) ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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