DAT-heads Digest #567
Contents:
DAT Drives, and SCSI cards (Keith Bode)
B&P Offer For Newbie OR Unidecker ("james helgy")
SCSI DAT Drives (Keith Bode)
Re: SCSI DAT Drives ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
FS:Portabrace Case ("john crouch")
warren haynes xmas jam ("MarkS Barnett")
Mic question - no answer found in FAQ ("DCA")
WTB: MINT SONY D-100 (Eric Eckberg)
Re: Bit for bit perfect (Mathias Rombach)
Mic question - no answer found in FAQ ("DCA")
FS Audio Magic Excalibur II 15ft Mic Cables ("Mark Gehl")
flashing a dds (Fmjqm@aol.com)
FT: Frank Marino 10 05 02 ("Tom Baylor")
ISO Sam Bush 1999-05-01 schoeps ("Ryan Boone")
merge wav files on harddrive ("Steve Sanford")
Re: merge wav files on harddrive (Mark Mayhle)
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: DAT Drives, and SCSI cards
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:52:53 -0800
Most of the Adaptec SCSI cards, have the drivers built intto Windows, in
W98 OS2, and presumably most versions forward from them. I haven't set
up a Tape drive on a SCSI chain before, but I've set up other CDR, RW
and ROM devices, and the 2 little things to remember seem to be to
decide which number SCSI device you'd like to use, 0 through 7 and to
put the TERM jumper on the highest numbered device. After setting up
one system, it's like riding a bike, it becomes second nature, or it did
for me. I would think after getting the Drive recognized in the chain,
the next step is to get the drive recognized by the software.
Another advantage of a SCSI chain is the use of SCSI burneers, and
CD-ROMS. IMO, I'd take a Plextor SCSI CD-R or RW over a faster IDE
unit, and the same with the Plextor CD-ROMS. These days it's becoming
less and less of an issue, but by using SCSI devices, more IDE/ATA spots
are available.
Keith
Anyone in Southern California interested in a good bicycle?
Keith
From: "james helgy" <nutball67@hotmail.com>
Subject: B&P Offer For Newbie OR Unidecker
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:23:23 -0600
Hi,all. I've got a batch of 10 DATs to offer up to a newbie/unidecker for
either B&P or $$2.45 ea + $4.00 postage to cover my cost of the blanks. They
are: John Scofield 5/29.98...Allman Bros. 8/12/87... KVHW 1/24/98... Moe
12/30/97... Dark Star Orch. 3/?/00... Phish 6/6/996... Phish 7/31/97...
Phish 11/22/97... Dead 12/27/77... Dead 2/26/90 (set2). Am looking either
for 60m & 90m Sony and/or Maxell balans, or above listed price so as I can
pick up the blanks.
ALSO, I have about 125 PRO DAT audio tapes for sale. These are NOT the dds
data type DATs, these are pro mastering audio DATs from 4 different
recording studios. They are all single pass tapes with the original artists
on them. Sweet high dollar DATs like: Ampex, Apogee, Sony DTs, Maxell RMs,
TDK DAs....etc. Some of the artists on these tapes are kinda popular, but
since I'm selling these as recording media, I can't/won't list the artists.
These would be great for someone with access to a bulk eraser, or someone
with a LOT of time on their hands. Looking to get $1.60 ea + $4.00 postage
for the first 10 DATs, and an additional $1.95 for each additional 10 tapes.
KILLER DEAL!!! Beats paying nearly $10.00 apiece.
nutball67@hotmail.com
jameshelgerson@outdrs.net
.
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From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: SCSI DAT Drives
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:53:02 -0800
Is there any major advantage to using a DDS-DAT drive to dump music to a
HD over using a good DAT deck and digital sound card, other than being
able to do it faster and cheaper than using a deck and sound card?
Keith
From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: SCSI DAT Drives
Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:21:22 -0600 (CST)
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Keith Bode wrote:
> Is there any major advantage to using a DDS-DAT drive to dump music to a
> HD over using a good DAT deck and digital sound card, other than being
> able to do it faster and cheaper than using a deck and sound card?
>
> Keith
>
No, and there is at least one disadvantage. DAT decks are designed for
real-time playback and in the event of a misread, the deck will attempt
to correct the audio data in real-time by feeding it through a complex
interpolation algorithm. The cooked data is indistinguishable from an
audio standpoint unless the data is too far gone to interpolate between
"good" samples. In this case, you get the classic diginoise. With
DDS drives, there is no interpolation algorithm and whatever is in the
drives buffer is what goes onto your hard disk.
Fortunately, these errors are rare on new tapes. I have yet to see one
on a first-pass tape recorded from a show. I usually rip my data off
the tape the same night as the show I just recorded and have had no
problems. I've come across a few on some older tapes, but they are still
pretty rare if good equipment was used in the first place. Even so, the
bad data is usually very obvious when you look at it in a wave editor.
Sometimes a few passes over the same sector will recover the data, but
in most cases, I patch the bad part from a very short play of a real
deck and S/PDIF to my computer. It is trivial to line up the samples
at a good word boundary and patch it over the bad data. Of course, I'm
just using the interpolation algorithm of the deck instead of a software
version that I hope to write soon.
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
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From: "john crouch" <slouchiec@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS:Portabrace Case
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:35:37 -0800
Sorry about the cross-post, but I have included my bwt. I am contemplating
selling my beloved Portabrace Audio Organizer 4 case, this is the 14x6x8
inch case the largest one, it is not even a year old. It's just the whole
laptop taping thing and the gear change to go with it has made it not as
convenient for me to use. If anyone is interested in this please contact me,
I am thinking about $220 for it, it is in mint condition, the link below
will show you about it:
http://www.portabrace.com/Details/AO/AOdetail.htm
...ALOHA, JOHN
BWT: Garaj Mahal 11-29-02 Burrard Ballroom, Vancouver BC
:)ONSTAGE:cmc6/mk4>V2>mM>DAP1
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From: "MarkS Barnett" <msbmsbmsb@hotmail.com>
Subject: warren haynes xmas jam
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 03:55:13 +0000
ooops, got a date (unexpectedly) for nye, need to save $$, have 2 taper
tickets for this great performance for a great cause (oh, things we do for
lust)...please email me off list
marcus <msbmsbmsb@hotmail.com>
wob tax..will do 3 b and ps wsp north charleston sc, 11.10.02
taping section dfc, akg c61 tubes and sennheiser 441s mixed on a boss mini
mixer into a sony m1, cloned optical fostex d5 to marantz rwh300
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From: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Subject: Mic question - no answer found in FAQ
Reply-To: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:03:54 -0500
Hi y'all, I am a newbie to the list, and somewhat new to live recording.
I say somewhat, b/c I have had some limited experience, and am an
electrical engineer, but I would like to consult the collective
experience of the list. I am looking to invest in some mics, and I have
read all the FAQs, but want to throw out a quick survey b/c of lack of
information. I found the question asked once before on the list, but
could not find any replies.
I have decided to buy a pair of Cardioid / Hypercardioid condenser mics.
Not just because of cost (vs shotguns, etc) but to have flexibility in
a wide range of applications. So, I am looking at two models (actually
just bought one, but am seriously considering exchange) and I need a
little help making up my mind. I bought some RODE NT3s because they
were $100 cheaper than their comparable AKG C1000S predecesors (I
assume), and the dude at the store sort of talked me into it while I was
in a hurry. I asked to see both, but he only brought out the RODEs, and
said he didn't think the AKGs were worth the extra $. He even said he
knows people who like the RODEs better (for stage apps). Well, now the
AKGs are on sale for the same price, and I really want to know if I
should switch.
For those not familiar - these are two similar mics, with some important
differences:
AKG C1000S features:
- Hyper-cardioid / Cardioid converter (I understand this can be
really handy for diff setups, and is an acoustical adapter, not
electrical)
- Presence Boost attachment (I understand this is not desired for AUD
taping, but is optional)
- 6 dB/octave rolloff below 200 Hz - (ok I guess, even though
optimized for close up apps)
Other marketing claims:
- gradient condenser mic w/ low noise pre-polarized backplate
- recessed on/off switch - (found out the hard way this is a handy
feature, and the AKG looks like a more protected feature
than RODE version - but a little tape and/or careful hands will help
that on any mic)
RODE NT3 features:
- Hyper-cardioid only
Other marketing claims:
- "true condenser transducer"
- Transformerless output
- Internal capsule shock mounting
- High RF immunity
All the other relevant (and not-so-relevant) electrical specs are about
the same as far as I can tell. The hyper-card polar patterns are
slightly different. The RODE looks more like a hybrid between a hyper
and a card. The RODE is a bit heavier than the AKG by ~100g. Both come
with soft cases, and wind/pop shields.
AKG seems to have better documentation. Germany vs. Australia
(w/Swedish roots)? Has RODE they "built the better mousetrap" as the
literature and store dude claim, or is AKG more flexible, tried and
true?
So, what do you guys know about these mics? Both good, both bad? Here
are the links for reference:
www.rodemic.com
www.akg-acoustics.com
Any suggestions are appreciated - thanks!
Dave
From: Eric Eckberg <shmurg@yahoo.com>
Subject: WTB: MINT SONY D-100
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:48:00 -0800 (PST)
Anyone have one to sell?
Let me know!
Eric
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From: Mathias Rombach <rombachm@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: Bit for bit perfect
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:26:54 +0100
I want to give additional infos for some people on that topic:
To have a perfect bit-to-bit-perfect signal transport you must create
additional info for error correction that is tranferred together with
the music data on a transmission line. The more error correction data
-dependent from
the music data- you create, the more bit-to-bit-perfect is the transport
from one point to another. That is valid for broadcasting and also for
storing digital data.
The main problem of the errors also on professional DATs is due to the
recording on magnetic tape. If the heads are covered by only a bit of
dust, some bits are not recorded correctly (remember that the tape speed
is only about 8 mm per second). So, there is error correction data
generated in two stages that is also recorded on tape. The error counter
in a prof-DAT is mainly to see about the status of the tape and the
heads. It gives information about the errors in the data occured from
the tape after recording and -as Seth wrote before- if this is low
enough, all errors in the music data are corrected with the error
correction information that was recorded on the tape. If the error rate
is too high, you get a short "click". On prof-DATs and on home-DATs,
same error correction.
If you want a more bit-to-bit-perfect copy, use a
harddisk-standalone-recorder. Thatīs my opinion.
Mathias
From: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Subject: Mic question - no answer found in FAQ
Reply-To: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:03:05 -0500
Hi y'all, I am a newbie to the list, and somewhat new to live recording.
I say somewhat, b/c I have had some limited experience, and am an
electrical engineer, but I would like to consult the collective
experience of the list. I am looking to invest in some mics, and I have
read all the FAQs, but want to throw out a quick survey b/c of lack of
information. I found the question asked once before on the list, but
could not find any replies.
I have decided to buy a pair of Cardioid / Hypercardioid condenser mics.
Not just because of cost (vs shotguns, etc) but to have flexibility in
a wide range of applications. So, I am looking at two models (actually
just bought one, but am seriously considering exchange) and I need a
little help making up my mind. I bought some RODE NT3s because they
were $100 cheaper than their comparable AKG C1000S predecesors (I
assume), and the dude at the store sort of talked me into it while I was
in a hurry. I asked to see both, but he only brought out the RODEs, and
said he didn't think the AKGs were worth the extra $. He even said he
knows people who like the RODEs better (for stage apps). Well, now the
AKGs are on sale for the same price, and I really want to know if I
should switch.
For those not familiar - these are two similar mics, with some important
differences:
AKG C1000S features:
- Hyper-cardioid / Cardioid converter (I understand this can be
really handy for diff setups, and is an acoustical adapter, not
electrical)
- Presence Boost attachment (I understand this is not desired for AUD
taping, but is optional)
- 6 dB/octave rolloff below 200 Hz - (ok I guess, even though
optimized for close up apps)
Other marketing claims:
- gradient condenser mic w/ low noise pre-polarized backplate
- recessed on/off switch - (found out the hard way this is a handy
feature, and the AKG looks like a more protected feature
than RODE version - but a little tape and/or careful hands will help
that on any mic)
RODE NT3 features:
- Hyper-cardioid only
Other marketing claims:
- "true condenser transducer"
- Transformerless output
- Internal capsule shock mounting
- High RF immunity
All the other relevant (and not-so-relevant) electrical specs are about
the same as far as I can tell. The hyper-card polar patterns are
slightly different. The RODE looks more like a hybrid between a hyper
and a card. The RODE is a bit heavier than the AKG by ~100g. Both come
with soft cases, and wind/pop shields.
AKG seems to have better documentation. German vs. Australian
(w/Swedish roots)? Has RODE they "built the better mousetrap" as the
literature and store dude claim, or is AKG more flexible, tried and
true?
So, what do you guys know about these mics? Both good, both bad? Here
are the links for reference:
www.rodemic.com
www.akg-acoustics.com
Any suggestions are appreciated - thanks!
Dave
From: "Mark Gehl" <mmgehl@nconnect.net>
Subject: FS Audio Magic Excalibur II 15ft Mic Cables
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:57:11 -0600
FS Audio Magic Excalibur II 15ft Mic Cables
I am selling off my rig to fund the purchase if a new house. Most parts
have already sold. These cables are in very good condition. New price
from SonicSense.com is $679. I bought these from Sonic Sense and they
are great sounding.
Any reasonable offer will be entertained
Mark
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From: Fmjqm@aol.com
Subject: flashing a dds
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:33:48 EST
ive gotta archive/conner/seagate ctd-8000 that registers as a archive
4326xx 27871-xxx (firm rev. 0316) when i go to flash it w/ the v5ac-0 firm
i get the message "model not recognized unable to update in normal mode."
is there a way to force it or switch from normal mode? any thoughts would be
appreciated. (if theres more info i need to post let me no)
thanks for the space
michael
b&p bob dylan 4-7-02 (norway) to the 1st 4
From: "Tom Baylor" <tbaylor@IowaTelecom.net>
Subject: FT: Frank Marino 10 05 02
Reply-To: "Tom Baylor" <tbaylor@IowaTelecom.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:56:13 -0600
Hi All-
I taped Frank @ Synergy II, West Chicago on 10 05 02.
Sony M1 w/Oade Bros. mics.
I'd like to hear from anyone else who has taped Frank Marino shows in 2002
and perhaps arrange a trade.
Especially looking for Frank @ Shank Hall, Milwaukee, WI, 2002.
Also looking for Pat Travers shows.
If you're interested, contact me privately.
Thanks!
Tom
From: "Ryan Boone" <ryan_boone@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO Sam Bush 1999-05-01 schoeps
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:46:57 -0600
Greetings DAT heads. I am looking for a DAT of this Sam Bush show from
5-1-99. I started to transfer my DAT of this show to shn the other day
only to find that my tape is laden with errors :( It is a great show
with lots of great guests sitting in and I promised to transfer this
show for someone so any help would be appreciated. My source is marked
schoeps cmc6>aerco>Sony SBM-1 and would prefer to get this same source
or another Schoeps source.
I can trade or do a B&P. If it is a trade it will have to be shn's or
audio cd's as I only have one DAT machine right now.
Thanx
Boone
From: "Steve Sanford" <jigsawearth@lycos.com>
Subject: merge wav files on harddrive
Reply-To: jigsawearth@lycos.com
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:42:08 -0500
is there any freeware that will allow me to merge 2 wav files on my harddrive,, the only way i've done it is with EAC but that requires i burn it to disc first (i only have cdwave and EAC now)
thanks
steve s
(goodwill tax: - Big In Japan, 13th Floor Balt, MD, mg2000/200>ps2>ad20>d8 - sorry shn/audio only, can't do dat>dat right now)
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From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: Re: merge wav files on harddrive
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:39:43 -0600 (CST)
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Steve Sanford wrote:
> is there any freeware that will allow me to merge 2 wav files on my
> harddrive,, the only way i've done it is with EAC but that requires i
> burn it to disc first (i only have cdwave and EAC now)
The free demo of CoolEdit will do it I believe.
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
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