DAT-heads Digest #567, Volume #6 Sat, 7 Dec 02 17:50:01 EST Contents: DAT Drives, and SCSI cards (Keith Bode) B&P Offer For Newbie OR Unidecker ("james helgy") SCSI DAT Drives (Keith Bode) Re: SCSI DAT Drives ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.") FS:Portabrace Case ("john crouch") warren haynes xmas jam ("MarkS Barnett") Mic question - no answer found in FAQ ("DCA") WTB: MINT SONY D-100 (Eric Eckberg) Re: Bit for bit perfect (Mathias Rombach) Mic question - no answer found in FAQ ("DCA") FS Audio Magic Excalibur II 15ft Mic Cables ("Mark Gehl") flashing a dds (Fmjqm@aol.com) FT: Frank Marino 10 05 02 ("Tom Baylor") ISO Sam Bush 1999-05-01 schoeps ("Ryan Boone") merge wav files on harddrive ("Steve Sanford") Re: merge wav files on harddrive (Mark Mayhle) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Bode Subject: DAT Drives, and SCSI cards Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:52:53 -0800 Most of the Adaptec SCSI cards, have the drivers built intto Windows, in W98 OS2, and presumably most versions forward from them. I haven't set up a Tape drive on a SCSI chain before, but I've set up other CDR, RW and ROM devices, and the 2 little things to remember seem to be to decide which number SCSI device you'd like to use, 0 through 7 and to put the TERM jumper on the highest numbered device. After setting up one system, it's like riding a bike, it becomes second nature, or it did for me. I would think after getting the Drive recognized in the chain, the next step is to get the drive recognized by the software. Another advantage of a SCSI chain is the use of SCSI burneers, and CD-ROMS. IMO, I'd take a Plextor SCSI CD-R or RW over a faster IDE unit, and the same with the Plextor CD-ROMS. These days it's becoming less and less of an issue, but by using SCSI devices, more IDE/ATA spots are available. Keith Anyone in Southern California interested in a good bicycle? Keith ------------------------------ From: "james helgy" Subject: B&P Offer For Newbie OR Unidecker Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:23:23 -0600 Hi,all. I've got a batch of 10 DATs to offer up to a newbie/unidecker for either B&P or $$2.45 ea + $4.00 postage to cover my cost of the blanks. They are: John Scofield 5/29.98...Allman Bros. 8/12/87... KVHW 1/24/98... Moe 12/30/97... Dark Star Orch. 3/?/00... Phish 6/6/996... Phish 7/31/97... Phish 11/22/97... Dead 12/27/77... Dead 2/26/90 (set2). Am looking either for 60m & 90m Sony and/or Maxell balans, or above listed price so as I can pick up the blanks. ALSO, I have about 125 PRO DAT audio tapes for sale. These are NOT the dds data type DATs, these are pro mastering audio DATs from 4 different recording studios. They are all single pass tapes with the original artists on them. Sweet high dollar DATs like: Ampex, Apogee, Sony DTs, Maxell RMs, TDK DAs....etc. Some of the artists on these tapes are kinda popular, but since I'm selling these as recording media, I can't/won't list the artists. These would be great for someone with access to a bulk eraser, or someone with a LOT of time on their hands. Looking to get $1.60 ea + $4.00 postage for the first 10 DATs, and an additional $1.95 for each additional 10 tapes. KILLER DEAL!!! Beats paying nearly $10.00 apiece. nutball67@hotmail.com jameshelgerson@outdrs.net . _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ From: Keith Bode Subject: SCSI DAT Drives Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:53:02 -0800 Is there any major advantage to using a DDS-DAT drive to dump music to a HD over using a good DAT deck and digital sound card, other than being able to do it faster and cheaper than using a deck and sound card? Keith ------------------------------ From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." Subject: Re: SCSI DAT Drives Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:21:22 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Keith Bode wrote: > Is there any major advantage to using a DDS-DAT drive to dump music to a > HD over using a good DAT deck and digital sound card, other than being > able to do it faster and cheaper than using a deck and sound card? > > Keith > No, and there is at least one disadvantage. DAT decks are designed for real-time playback and in the event of a misread, the deck will attempt to correct the audio data in real-time by feeding it through a complex interpolation algorithm. The cooked data is indistinguishable from an audio standpoint unless the data is too far gone to interpolate between "good" samples. In this case, you get the classic diginoise. With DDS drives, there is no interpolation algorithm and whatever is in the drives buffer is what goes onto your hard disk. Fortunately, these errors are rare on new tapes. I have yet to see one on a first-pass tape recorded from a show. I usually rip my data off the tape the same night as the show I just recorded and have had no problems. I've come across a few on some older tapes, but they are still pretty rare if good equipment was used in the first place. Even so, the bad data is usually very obvious when you look at it in a wave editor. Sometimes a few passes over the same sector will recover the data, but in most cases, I patch the bad part from a very short play of a real deck and S/PDIF to my computer. It is trivial to line up the samples at a good word boundary and patch it over the bad data. Of course, I'm just using the interpolation algorithm of the deck instead of a software version that I hope to write soon. -- Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr. wayne@hoxnet.com http://www.hoxnet.com PGP Key ID 138BCEE1 ------------------------------ From: "john crouch" Subject: FS:Portabrace Case Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:35:37 -0800 Sorry about the cross-post, but I have included my bwt. I am contemplating selling my beloved Portabrace Audio Organizer 4 case, this is the 14x6x8 inch case the largest one, it is not even a year old. It's just the whole laptop taping thing and the gear change to go with it has made it not as convenient for me to use. If anyone is interested in this please contact me, I am thinking about $220 for it, it is in mint condition, the link below will show you about it: http://www.portabrace.com/Details/AO/AOdetail.htm ...ALOHA, JOHN BWT: Garaj Mahal 11-29-02 Burrard Ballroom, Vancouver BC :)ONSTAGE:cmc6/mk4>V2>mM>DAP1 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ From: "MarkS Barnett" Subject: warren haynes xmas jam Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 03:55:13 +0000 ooops, got a date (unexpectedly) for nye, need to save $$, have 2 taper tickets for this great performance for a great cause (oh, things we do for lust)...please email me off list marcus wob tax..will do 3 b and ps wsp north charleston sc, 11.10.02 taping section dfc, akg c61 tubes and sennheiser 441s mixed on a boss mini mixer into a sony m1, cloned optical fostex d5 to marantz rwh300 _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ From: "DCA" Subject: Mic question - no answer found in FAQ Reply-To: "DCA" Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:03:54 -0500 Hi y'all, I am a newbie to the list, and somewhat new to live recording. I say somewhat, b/c I have had some limited experience, and am an electrical engineer, but I would like to consult the collective experience of the list. I am looking to invest in some mics, and I have read all the FAQs, but want to throw out a quick survey b/c of lack of information. I found the question asked once before on the list, but could not find any replies. I have decided to buy a pair of Cardioid / Hypercardioid condenser mics. Not just because of cost (vs shotguns, etc) but to have flexibility in a wide range of applications. So, I am looking at two models (actually just bought one, but am seriously considering exchange) and I need a little help making up my mind. I bought some RODE NT3s because they were $100 cheaper than their comparable AKG C1000S predecesors (I assume), and the dude at the store sort of talked me into it while I was in a hurry. I asked to see both, but he only brought out the RODEs, and said he didn't think the AKGs were worth the extra $. He even said he knows people who like the RODEs better (for stage apps). Well, now the AKGs are on sale for the same price, and I really want to know if I should switch. For those not familiar - these are two similar mics, with some important differences: AKG C1000S features: - Hyper-cardioid / Cardioid converter (I understand this can be really handy for diff setups, and is an acoustical adapter, not electrical) - Presence Boost attachment (I understand this is not desired for AUD taping, but is optional) - 6 dB/octave rolloff below 200 Hz - (ok I guess, even though optimized for close up apps) Other marketing claims: - gradient condenser mic w/ low noise pre-polarized backplate - recessed on/off switch - (found out the hard way this is a handy feature, and the AKG looks like a more protected feature than RODE version - but a little tape and/or careful hands will help that on any mic) RODE NT3 features: - Hyper-cardioid only Other marketing claims: - "true condenser transducer" - Transformerless output - Internal capsule shock mounting - High RF immunity All the other relevant (and not-so-relevant) electrical specs are about the same as far as I can tell. The hyper-card polar patterns are slightly different. The RODE looks more like a hybrid between a hyper and a card. The RODE is a bit heavier than the AKG by ~100g. Both come with soft cases, and wind/pop shields. AKG seems to have better documentation. Germany vs. Australia (w/Swedish roots)? Has RODE they "built the better mousetrap" as the literature and store dude claim, or is AKG more flexible, tried and true? So, what do you guys know about these mics? Both good, both bad? Here are the links for reference: www.rodemic.com www.akg-acoustics.com Any suggestions are appreciated - thanks! Dave ------------------------------ From: Eric Eckberg Subject: WTB: MINT SONY D-100 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:48:00 -0800 (PST) Anyone have one to sell? Let me know! Eric __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Mathias Rombach Subject: Re: Bit for bit perfect Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:26:54 +0100 I want to give additional infos for some people on that topic: To have a perfect bit-to-bit-perfect signal transport you must create additional info for error correction that is tranferred together with the music data on a transmission line. The more error correction data -dependent from the music data- you create, the more bit-to-bit-perfect is the transport from one point to another. That is valid for broadcasting and also for storing digital data. The main problem of the errors also on professional DATs is due to the recording on magnetic tape. If the heads are covered by only a bit of dust, some bits are not recorded correctly (remember that the tape speed is only about 8 mm per second). So, there is error correction data generated in two stages that is also recorded on tape. The error counter in a prof-DAT is mainly to see about the status of the tape and the heads. It gives information about the errors in the data occured from the tape after recording and -as Seth wrote before- if this is low enough, all errors in the music data are corrected with the error correction information that was recorded on the tape. If the error rate is too high, you get a short "click". On prof-DATs and on home-DATs, same error correction. If you want a more bit-to-bit-perfect copy, use a harddisk-standalone-recorder. Thatīs my opinion. Mathias ------------------------------ From: "DCA" Subject: Mic question - no answer found in FAQ Reply-To: "DCA" Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:03:05 -0500 Hi y'all, I am a newbie to the list, and somewhat new to live recording. I say somewhat, b/c I have had some limited experience, and am an electrical engineer, but I would like to consult the collective experience of the list. I am looking to invest in some mics, and I have read all the FAQs, but want to throw out a quick survey b/c of lack of information. I found the question asked once before on the list, but could not find any replies. I have decided to buy a pair of Cardioid / Hypercardioid condenser mics. Not just because of cost (vs shotguns, etc) but to have flexibility in a wide range of applications. So, I am looking at two models (actually just bought one, but am seriously considering exchange) and I need a little help making up my mind. I bought some RODE NT3s because they were $100 cheaper than their comparable AKG C1000S predecesors (I assume), and the dude at the store sort of talked me into it while I was in a hurry. I asked to see both, but he only brought out the RODEs, and said he didn't think the AKGs were worth the extra $. He even said he knows people who like the RODEs better (for stage apps). Well, now the AKGs are on sale for the same price, and I really want to know if I should switch. For those not familiar - these are two similar mics, with some important differences: AKG C1000S features: - Hyper-cardioid / Cardioid converter (I understand this can be really handy for diff setups, and is an acoustical adapter, not electrical) - Presence Boost attachment (I understand this is not desired for AUD taping, but is optional) - 6 dB/octave rolloff below 200 Hz - (ok I guess, even though optimized for close up apps) Other marketing claims: - gradient condenser mic w/ low noise pre-polarized backplate - recessed on/off switch - (found out the hard way this is a handy feature, and the AKG looks like a more protected feature than RODE version - but a little tape and/or careful hands will help that on any mic) RODE NT3 features: - Hyper-cardioid only Other marketing claims: - "true condenser transducer" - Transformerless output - Internal capsule shock mounting - High RF immunity All the other relevant (and not-so-relevant) electrical specs are about the same as far as I can tell. The hyper-card polar patterns are slightly different. The RODE looks more like a hybrid between a hyper and a card. The RODE is a bit heavier than the AKG by ~100g. Both come with soft cases, and wind/pop shields. AKG seems to have better documentation. German vs. Australian (w/Swedish roots)? Has RODE they "built the better mousetrap" as the literature and store dude claim, or is AKG more flexible, tried and true? So, what do you guys know about these mics? Both good, both bad? Here are the links for reference: www.rodemic.com www.akg-acoustics.com Any suggestions are appreciated - thanks! Dave ------------------------------ From: "Mark Gehl" Subject: FS Audio Magic Excalibur II 15ft Mic Cables Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:57:11 -0600 FS Audio Magic Excalibur II 15ft Mic Cables I am selling off my rig to fund the purchase if a new house. Most parts have already sold. These cables are in very good condition. New price from SonicSense.com is $679. I bought these from Sonic Sense and they are great sounding. Any reasonable offer will be entertained Mark --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002 ------------------------------ From: Fmjqm@aol.com Subject: flashing a dds Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:33:48 EST ive gotta archive/conner/seagate ctd-8000 that registers as a archive 4326xx 27871-xxx (firm rev. 0316) when i go to flash it w/ the v5ac-0 firm i get the message "model not recognized unable to update in normal mode." is there a way to force it or switch from normal mode? any thoughts would be appreciated. (if theres more info i need to post let me no) thanks for the space michael b&p bob dylan 4-7-02 (norway) to the 1st 4 ------------------------------ From: "Tom Baylor" Subject: FT: Frank Marino 10 05 02 Reply-To: "Tom Baylor" Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:56:13 -0600 Hi All- I taped Frank @ Synergy II, West Chicago on 10 05 02. Sony M1 w/Oade Bros. mics. I'd like to hear from anyone else who has taped Frank Marino shows in 2002 and perhaps arrange a trade. Especially looking for Frank @ Shank Hall, Milwaukee, WI, 2002. Also looking for Pat Travers shows. If you're interested, contact me privately. Thanks! Tom ------------------------------ From: "Ryan Boone" Subject: ISO Sam Bush 1999-05-01 schoeps Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:46:57 -0600 Greetings DAT heads. I am looking for a DAT of this Sam Bush show from 5-1-99. I started to transfer my DAT of this show to shn the other day only to find that my tape is laden with errors :( It is a great show with lots of great guests sitting in and I promised to transfer this show for someone so any help would be appreciated. My source is marked schoeps cmc6>aerco>Sony SBM-1 and would prefer to get this same source or another Schoeps source. I can trade or do a B&P. If it is a trade it will have to be shn's or audio cd's as I only have one DAT machine right now. Thanx Boone ------------------------------ From: "Steve Sanford" Subject: merge wav files on harddrive Reply-To: jigsawearth@lycos.com Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:42:08 -0500 is there any freeware that will allow me to merge 2 wav files on my harddrive,, the only way i've done it is with EAC but that requires i burn it to disc first (i only have cdwave and EAC now) thanks steve s (goodwill tax: - Big In Japan, 13th Floor Balt, MD, mg2000/200>ps2>ad20>d8 - sorry shn/audio only, can't do dat>dat right now) _____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus ------------------------------ From: Mark Mayhle Subject: Re: merge wav files on harddrive Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:39:43 -0600 (CST) On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Steve Sanford wrote: > is there any freeware that will allow me to merge 2 wav files on my > harddrive,, the only way i've done it is with EAC but that requires i > burn it to disc first (i only have cdwave and EAC now) The free demo of CoolEdit will do it I believe. -- Mark Mayhle mark@mayhle.com ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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