DAT-heads Digest #595
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RE: Nomad (Mike Wren)
Re: Noise Control (Klay Anderson)
fs: mod sbm1 and oade 7pin>coax>coax passive cable (Blackpete@aol.com)
FS: AKG 391 and other stuff. (Mtn Green)
Sound Card Advice ("Dan Boardman")
Re: Nomad (Seth Breidbart)
Ebay, and illegal bidding ("Colin Robinson")
Re: Indigo Girls (Jeff Lester)
Re:way off topic, but need advice ("Ryan")
re: one more comment on Pish tickets ("Chris Siegl")
DAT2WAV ("skomp")
still ISO JEFF BECK UK 02 (TRANEHEAD@aol.com)
Nihon-jin: ISO Taper in Japan ("Eric G. Postel \(home\)")
ISO : Therapy? Swedish P3 FM broadcast Dec 18th / 19th, 2002 (Andreas Ott)
the Newest batch of Fuji CDRs... ("Gary Davis")
Dats for B&P (Chris Bozzelli)
Re: the Newest batch of Fuji CDRs... (Mark Mayhle)
From: Mike Wren <mikew@etree.org>
Subject: RE: Nomad
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:03:48 +0000 (GMT)
The Nomad 3 most certainly DOES NOT resample the optical input signal.
There were some issues with dropped samples with previous firmwares, but
some tests this past weekend with the most recent (12/26) firmware are
quite positive.
MW
From: Thomas Wulf <TaWulf@wulfware.de>
Subject: RE: Nomad
Reply-To: Thomas Wulf <TaWulf@wulfware.de>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:52:26 +0100
I can't imagine any reason at all why archos or creative
would build a device that can actually read spdif *including the time
code*.
So like all other non-pro devices the jukeboxes almost certainly will
'resample' their input.
From: Klay Anderson <klay@klay.com>
Subject: Re: Noise Control
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 09:13:41 -0700
mike hooker <mhooker@optonline.net>
Subject: way off topic, but need advice
Asked:
> i have a room in my basement where i dub, burn, record, and listen to the dats
> i record live. the problem is the sound going right up thru the ceiling into
> the living room ,and i get a lot of grief from the wife and kids. i need to
> insulate the space between the ceiling( sheetrock) and the wood floor above.
> the only way to do it is to blow in insulation with one of those machines,
> there is no access to roll out fiberglass. can anyone tell me what kind of
> material would best do the job. heat insulation would be a plus, there is a
> space along the back wall gets a little chilly.
>
This is not easy and to do it correctly will be expensive. Note that basic
insulation (foam, Fiberglas, etc.,) will only help BTU's and mid to high
frequencies. They will do nothing for low frequencies which are probably
the most offensive. To do lows correctly, you need lots of heavy, thick
material (I'm talking lead-like here) to kill the transmission of the long
waves. Additionally, you may need a solid false ceiling if all your amps go
to "11". Remember, to sound a small hole is a big hole, so all joints,
corners and penetrations must be sealed as well. You might want to poke
around here:
http://www.controlnoise.com/
We are dealers for their products.
--
Regards,
Klay Anderson, D.A.,Q.B.E.
klay@klay.com
Klay Anderson Audio, Inc.
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: Blackpete@aol.com
Subject: fs: mod sbm1 and oade 7pin>coax>coax passive cable
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:15:51 -0500
Purchased unused 9/02, line stage and coax mod done by Doug 10/02. Includes original box, case, wallwart and manual. Includes the 7pin coax in/out passive cable Doug made out of the clipped 7 pin end, and the power cable. Paid 400 for the sbm1, 250 for the line in mod, 150 for the coax mod, including the cable, and 30 for the ecocharge xlr>dc 6v power cable. Asking 830 plus shipping, just what I paid for all this. Thanks, Marc.
From: Mtn Green <mtn_green@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: AKG 391 and other stuff.
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:19:05 -0800 (PST)
Pair of AKG se300b bodies with the ck91 cardiod capsules. Mics are
in great shape cosmetically and operationally. Original boxes and
manuals includeds as well as the factory winscreens and mounts. I
am the second owner of the mics which I purchased from a fellow
taper in the beginning of 2002. Asking $450 shipping included.
(Reason for selling-I am upgrading)
Also:
Sony D6
Portable 2 Channel Professional analog tape deck with 1/8"
input/output, selectable tape bias, speed control, headphone, mic
in(0dB and -20dB).Bought new in 98 used only for live recording.
Complete fatcory service in march of 2000 to restore factory specs,
hasn't been used since. Awesome workhorse deck in excellent
condition. $150.
Spirit Folio Notepad - 8 Channel stereo mixer, 4 XLR w/phantom power,
2 stereo channels, used in home for record playerand a couple of live
SBD/AUD mixes, the ac plug is sometimes a little flakey but has
never been a problem. $100.
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From: "Dan Boardman" <boardman@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Sound Card Advice
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:46:50 -0500
I'm sure this subject has been more then beat to death - building a new
system - 1.4 AMD based - and need a sound card and am looking for
suggestions - need something with spdif in/out and excellent playback - also
have recently bought one of the DAT drives capable of audio extraction
(anybody have an audio extraction program there not using and want to
sell?) - any and all suggestions appreciated - so as not to bore everybody
on list with a redundant discussion, replies can be done off list - thanks a
bunch
Dan Boardman
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Nomad
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:03:05 -0500 (EST)
> I can't imagine any reason at all why archos or creative
> would build a device that can actually read spdif *including the time code*.
What does reading the time code have to do with not resampling?
> Resampling is free, as analog in must be resampled anyway,
No, analog in isn't _re_sampled, it's just sampled at the appropriate
rate, end of story.
> but actually locking to the external time code embedded in the spdif
> signal is not so cheap to build.
Locking might not be so easy, but a PLL to get the bits is necessary
anyway, and just recording the bits is easier than playing with them.
Seth
From: "Colin Robinson" <ccrobinson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Ebay, and illegal bidding
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 18:41:08 +0000
Ebay rules arent very strict, and as many have said, illegal ticket scalping
and bootleg selling is rampant. One way to hurt those who are selling these
items (at a premium) is to bid on their items. WHATT???? What i mean is Ebay
normally has a problem with bidders who run up the price on an item (in an
effort to sell their own, or just to screw around), but they do not enforce
these rules on items that are illegal. SO if you bid 500 bucks for a CD
bootleg or 4000 bucks for Phish tickets, you are definatly going to win the
bid. You then send the seller an email telling him that what he is doing is
illegal and immoral. You CC the legal team at phish, and ebay, and the
matter is closed. The seller may do nothing to you, and must relist the
item, only to risk the same treatment by vigilante bidders. The bidders
activity may also draw (legal) attention to himself from Phish or Ebay.
While this is probably not too "cool" in some peoples minds, it does satisfy
those of us who trade music freely. I have paid scalpers for tickets, even
for phish, but my gripe with Ebay is this: All the tix being sold now dont
even exist...since the tix dont get printed till later this month, what am I
bidding on? These sellers want us to pay them in full (usually) for tix that
dont exist yet, even if we do assume they actually got tix in the first
place. Ebay also doesnt help you too much in getting your 500 bux back from
a ticket seller that never had tix to begin with. Also yesterday i checked
out the phish auctions, and many sellers are pulling their tix at the last
minute if they dont hit a certain price....its all bad.....anyway, thats my
take on things...
Colin Robinson
www.phishhook.com/lists/ccrobinson
site ops, Im happy to upload from my Master list
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From: Jeff Lester <lester@trex.sp.trw.com>
Subject: Re: Indigo Girls
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:56:19 -0800 (PST)
"Thomas Avallone" <tav2367@msn.com> asked:
>Is it official that Indigo Girls allow open taping ? Or should I still
>sneak into the venue with my stealth gear.
I have no first hand experience with the implementation of their policy,
but they do allow taping and have an official policy:
http://www.indigogirls.com/corresp/2002/2002-06-17.html
-Jeff Lester
From: "Ryan" <ryanr@surfnetinc.com>
Subject: Re:way off topic, but need advice
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:08:26 -0600
This isnt off topic Mike, its not like your buying/selling or scalping Phish
tickets ;^)
Seriously though, I could be wrong but fiberglass battings, loose fill
cellulose blow in type insulation or those polysterene panels used to make a
house energy efficient will do little for your sound insulation problems,
you'll stay nice and warm though while spinning those DAT's!! Plus your
going to have to open up that sheetrock if your serious about getting it in
there. Also consider
the cost of renting the blower for the cellulose if you go that route...
those big evil warehouse stores usually have free rental of the blower but
only if you buy 1000+ sq. ft. worth of material probably much more than
you'll need. Also if that portion of the house is already insulated, your
going to want to make sure you dont over insulate any areas.
I know proffesional sound blankets and baffles are sold, not sure where, but
I have seen them designed to fit snug between ceiling joists and wall studs.
I bet this kind of stuff isnt cheap though. But again, your going to have to
open up that drywall. Perhaps someone that owns a home studio could
ellaborate.
Finacially speaking, your better off either getting a pair of cans to listen
through or just tell the wife and kids to turn up the TV and deal with it.
Think of all the money you can save for more blank tapes and cdr's!
-Ryan
>From: mike hooker <mhooker@optonline.net>
>Subject: way off topic, but need advice
>Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 12:36:18 -0500
hi,
i have a room in my basement where i dub, burn, record, and listen to
the dats i record live. the problem is the sound going right up thru the
ceiling into the living room ,and i get a lot of grief from the wife and
kids. i need to insulate the space between the ceiling( sheetrock) and the
wood floor above. the only way to do it is to blow in insulation with one
of those machines, there is no access to roll out fiberglass. can anyone
tell me what kind of material would best do the job. heat insulation would
be a plus, there is a space along the back wall gets a little chilly.
thanks, and happy new year.
From: "Chris Siegl" <senorplow99@hotmail.com>
Subject: re: one more comment on Pish tickets
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:41:40 -0500
Hey Keith,
Who gives a shit!?
And learn to use the spellchecker!
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: one more comment on Pish tickets
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:34:53 -0800
If Phish were playing accros the street frm me, I would not buy tickets
to sell or go. in fact, if they gave them away, and came to th door to
do it, i'd say "no thanks".
Keith
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BWT: DAT Only B&P offer
Derek Trucks Band 12/27/02 ~ Altlanta, GA ~ FOB
Source: (my rig)
Josephson C-603/KA-500(Hyper)>Denecke PS-1A>Zefiro Inbox>PCM-M1
to the 1st person to respond and the 1st Digestifier
Peace,
D
you tell him there, drider. that'll shut him up, without a doubt.
peace indeed,
C
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From: "skomp" <skomp@skomp.net>
Subject: DAT2WAV
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:36:22 -0600
i'll vouch for this as a working solution for tapes that DAT2WAV flakes on
as well.
just don't use the /rewind switch and keep trying (and a rare oppertunity to
use good ol' DOSKEY) and sometimes it will indeed find a good portion of the
tape and commence ripping. when it won't i'll just clone the tape (not with
DAT2WAV although i'm adding a second CTD8000 drive to try this feature out
ASAP) and then try the new clone and that has done the trick giving me a new
tape i can rip with DAT2WAV.
and these tapes that DAT2WAV doesn't like i find do indeed show high error
rates or flashing sample rates when i monitor with an R300.
>
> From: Greg Teltschik <gteltschik@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: dat2wav ?'s
> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:40:20 +0000
>
> Michael wrote:
>
> > so, any ideas or suggestions, is it possible to write times to a
tape
> >after the fact? is there a way to force it to dump? or are there any
vdat
> >people up for swappin programs?
>
> I've had a similar problem one time where apparently the beginning of the
> tape was blank or corrupted. If I remember, I just ran DAT2WAV several
> times in a row without the -rewind option until it finally picked up the
> start of the recording. Not sure if it will help in this case, but you
> might give it a try. By running the program over and over, you are
> effectively forcing it to move down the tape until it finds a usable
signal.
>
>
> Greg Teltschik
> gteltschik@mindspring.com
From: TRANEHEAD@aol.com
Subject: still ISO JEFF BECK UK 02
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:52:19 EST
anyone find copies of these shows yet?
thanks,
G.
From: "Eric G. Postel \(home\)" <ericpostel@compuserve.com>
Subject: Nihon-jin: ISO Taper in Japan
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:54:41 -0600
Would happily pay the cost of a kippu, densha, etc for anybody who can tape
any of the following Suede shows later this month:
Tue 01/28/03 Tokyo, JPN Akasaka Blitz
Wed 01/29/03 Tokyo, JPN Shibuya Ax
Thu 01/30/03 Osaka, JPN On Air Osaka
Please contact me off-list if interested
doomo arrigatoo gozaimasu,
Eric
From: aott15767@t-online.de (Andreas Ott)
Subject: ISO : Therapy? Swedish P3 FM broadcast Dec 18th / 19th, 2002
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 02:46:13 +0100
Hey,
I=B4m looking for a recording of a recent=20
Therapy? concert FM broadcast
on swedish station P3 Live on=20
December 18th/19th, 2002.
Would like a DAT or CD-R copy of it .
If you have recorded that broadcast
and would like to trade for it,
please email me and I mail you my audio list.
Thanks=20
andreas
aott15767@t-online.de
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavisloop@earthlink.net>
Subject: the Newest batch of Fuji CDRs...
Reply-to: gdavisloop@earthlink.net
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:59:13 -0800
I got my 100 pack delivered by Best Buy today.
The spindles are *not* typical of TY. There's no knob on top, and the
"twist" mechanism is different from any I've seen.
But, the discs look identical, the blue wrapper says "Made in Japan",
and CDRIDENT says the discs are made by TY, dye type 1. (same as
the last batch).
So hopefully they are not lying about their ID #, and these discs are
still the "good" TY discs, with Fuji perhaps the last brand name they
are sold under: just 10-cents/disc after rebate, with free shipping.
(Note: this was a Thanksgiving week sale just delivered today... though
Best Buy has made a similar offer more than once).
--Gary
From: Chris Bozzelli <c_bozzelli@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dats for B&P
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:53:47 -0800 (PST)
Hi all,
Below is a a list of the last of my dat collection,
which is now up for B&P - many are masters. I'll trade
these tapes for a variety of non-dat blank media. Top
priority goes to those offering DVD-Rs (2x or 4x
mitsui or taiyo yuden only) I will also accept High
quality CDrs (mitsui, TY, Fuji, sony, etc.) in either
case, please let me know what brand media you will be
sending. For DVD-rs, since prices for each brand/speed
vary, I'll work out a DAT/DVD ratio with each person.
For CDRs, probably since quality media has gotten so
cheap, it seams the current ratio is 5 discs/dat(but
I'm flexible on that) This is intended as B&P, but
I'll trade for these shows only: gabriel 12/3/02,
Dylan 11/7/02, GnR 11/21/02.
Shows up for Grabs:
JMP 2000-03-18 1x90 sbd
JMP 2000-09-03 1x60 MBHO 603
Phish 2000-07-15 2x60 schoeps 4v
SCI 1996-04-14 1x90 Shure sm57
SCi 1998-05-12 1x90 SBD
SCI 2000-04-04 2x60 DSBD
SCI 2000-04-16 1x90 DSBD
SCI 2000-04-18 1x90 DSBD
SCI 2000-05-02 1x90 DSBD
SCI 2000-12-30 2x60 TLM 170
SCI 2001-02-28 1x90 B&K 4011
SCI 2001-07-12 1x90 TLM 170
SCI 2001-07-14 1x90 TLM 170
SCI 2002-04-12 2x60 SKM 150
Ray's music exchange 2001-09-13 1x60 TLM 170
John scoffield 2000-09-29 1x60 MBHO 603
Bruce hornsby 2000-02-26 1x60 AKG 460
Bruce hornsby 1999-08-12 1x90 AKG 480
Bruce hornsby 1998-11-06 1x60 sbd
Bruce hornsby 2001-07-01 1x90 schoeps 41 with
scoffield's set from same day
Soulive 2000-12-02 1x60 schoeps 6/41
DJ logic 2000-12-02 1x60 schoeps 6/41
Lake trout 2001-02-04 1x60 skm150
The Flow 2001-06-13 1x60 TLM 170
Dr Didg 2001-06-13 1x60 TLM 170
Bela fleck and sandip burman 2000-10-26 MBHO 603
The big wu 2001-07-12 1x60 TLM 170
The big wu 2001-07-13 1x60 TLM 170
Les claypool 2001-07-14 1x60 TLM 170
warren haynes 2001-07-15 1x60 TLM 170
MMW 2001-05-19 2x60 TLM 170
MMW 1995-10-14 sbd
slumber party/outrageous cherry 2001-12-31 (openers
for YLT) 1x90 TLM 170
Keller williams 2001-05-07 1x90 sbd
The slip 2001-04-06 1x90 TLM 170
The following tapes are flawed in some way, so if
something appeals to you, ask, we'll work something
out
DBB 2000-10-06 1x90 MBHO 603 -last song before encore
cuts out (battery died) - encore is there, only tape
from the show
JMP 2001-08-07 2x60 TLM 170 some dropouts (bad preamp
battery) again, only tape from the show
phish 2000-07-14 (1x90) schoeps mk4 - last song of
encore (guyute) cuts out about 4 min early (tape ends)
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From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: Re: the Newest batch of Fuji CDRs...
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:27:39 -0600 (CST)
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Gary Davis wrote:
> I got my 100 pack delivered by Best Buy today.
> The spindles are *not* typical of TY. There's no knob on top, and the
> "twist" mechanism is different from any I've seen.
I've had several packages of these, even intermixed on the shelf at Best
Buy with the old knob style, and the discs seem to be identical to me too.
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
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