DAT-heads Digest #611
Contents:
ISO: emo, Punk dat cdr trades ("Jason")
LA venue security (greg weston)
leonard cohen. ("Jason M.")
Re: battery ("DCA")
Re: B.B. King's Blues Club, New York City security? (David Nolan)
BNC Connectors (Klay Anderson)
Re: DAT-heads Digest #610 ("MattB")
NRBQ Taping Policy? ("Desmond Curran")
are plextors old news? ("Jamie Lutch")
Black Frames & HABMX in Texas ("Stanley W. Smith")
ISO: Gillian Welch (Jared Williams)
re: Digidesign Mbox ("Sherm Clow")
Oktava 012s (Scott Goodwin)
getting rid of DATs... ("David Forbis")
Capt Beefheart Town Hall 10/28/72 re-offer (evansdoor@earthlink.net)
preamp questions ("DCA")
ISO 4/17-19/87 SBD>MC or SBD>PCM>DAT (Keith Bode)
Texas Coldplay dates ("Ragan Todd")
ISO tapers for OPETH - prog metal !! ("Ed Wawrzyniak")
From: "Jason" <utahtaper@attbi.com>
Subject: ISO: emo, Punk dat cdr trades
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:40:29 -0700
Would love anything by 3 mile Pilot and related on dat & cdr. Also dig Hot
Rod Circuit, Treepeople, you name it. I'm thirsty for something new. I have
lots to trade.
please respond to:
utahtaper at attbi dot com
From: greg weston <gregweston@frenzmail.net>
Subject: LA venue security
Reply-To: gregweston@frenzmail.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:05:07 -0800 (PST)
Hey all,
I'm going to a couple of concerts in Feb and even though the artist doesn't personally mind taping, his record company is against it. So this means sneaking some gear inside the HOB in Anaheim and the Wiltern in LA. What kind of security can I expect going inside these places? Metal detectors? Wands? Serious patdowns? Any and all help would be appreciated. And keep the morality email regarding stealthing shows to yourselves ;)
Thanks,
Greg
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From: "Jason M." <set_follower@yahoo.com>
Subject: leonard cohen.
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 03:26:06 -0800 (PST)
ive never traded music before, nor recorded any of
value to be traded. i just got my first dat player.
but if anyone has any leonard cohen recordings...
i would love to get ahold of them.
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From: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: battery
Reply-To: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:15:54 -0500
Since I am an electronics designer, I can attempt to answer this. The
Energizer battery would probably work, BUT it will not last as long as the
RCA battery. The mAh represents the amount of current supplied relative to
time
(as many probably know). For example the 4500 mAh could supply 900 mA for 5
hours. 4500/5 = 900
That is just an example! That is assuming your DVD player consumes 900mA of
current, it could be more or less. That was for example only. You get the
idea.
As far as the voltage, the 0.2 V difference _should_ not make a difference.
There is what is called a "dropout" voltage threshold. This is the point at
which the device hits how much differential voltage it needs to see above
the
actual voltage it is running on interally (regulated) before it shuts down.
So, if it works, you won't damage the unit - it has its own shutdown
circuits
that will turn it off before it would wig out on insufficient voltage. But,
it will be more likely to hit the dropout voltage faster than the higher
voltage battery. As the battery runs out of charge, the volts will begin to
drop as well.
I would suggest looking at battery wharehouses, and/or on eBay for a better
substitute. You don't want to buy a new battery, just to find out it
doesn't
last very long. They may not be returnable. You should get one that is the
same
mAh or more.
BTW, NiMH is the more or less the best rechargeable battery technology
available today.
I know that each technology needs separate rechargers, and some Li Ion
batteries are not rechargeable I think. I only use NiMH - it is also one of
the more environmentally friendly ones (if there is such a thing).
Dave
>So my question has gone unanswered in several >>other forums. Sorry for
>the non-DAT/digital >>taping q, but this is the most technically
>savvy group I know of . . .
>I have an RCA portable DVD player (DRC600N) >>that runs off a
>detachable Li Ion battery (also runs AC). The >>specs on the battery
>are: 7.4V and 5400mAh. Energizer makes a >>generic "portbale DVD
>battery" that is a lot cheaper than a second >>RCA battery. The specs
>on the Energizer are 7.2V and 4500mAh and it is >>a NiMH type. Both
>batteries have their own rechargers.
From: David Nolan <LiveAir995@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: B.B. King's Blues Club, New York City security?
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:14:07 -0500
I work at BB's from time to time - the venue allows taping - after that,
it's up to the band. I HAVE seen certain bands make tapers take their
stands down after the venue let them set up...it's a little bit of a crap
shoot - some groups I would have thought allowed taping did not. Anyway, no
detectors or searches that I've ever seen...
If it's a taper-friendly band, there is usually a section on the floor or
sometimes dead center along the rail.
dave n
on 1/16/03 11:50 PM, Digestifier at DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net
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> From: f bion <fbion@caramail.com>
> Subject: B.B. King's Blues Club, New York City security?
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:08:01 +0100
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> Hi, I' plan to tape some shows there.
> What kind of security is there at this venue?
> B.B. King's Blues Club, NYC, NY
> Any metal detectors, search, etc?
> Thanks for the help
> Fran
From: Klay Anderson <klay@klay.com>
Subject: BNC Connectors
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:50:29 -0700
Rich Perlman <richard@montclairelectronics.com>
Subject: Graham-Patten ADC-20 owners
> I've never been a big fan of the BNC connector. When working normally, there
> is movement; it is not a 'firm' connection, like RCA.
Ruling out mechanical damage, there is no better unbalanced connector of
this size for high frequency use. Note the derivatives are used extensively
in everything from microwave ovens to cell phones to the Airport card in
your Mac. Developed originally most think for the British Navy by Neill and
Concelmann. They developed a series of connectors, at least some of which
were:
N - "Neill" connector
C - "Concelmann" connector
BNC - "Bayonet Neill-Concelmann" connector
TNC - "Threaded Neill-Concelmann" connector
The slight looseness of the connector is normal. As it was designed to
connect very high (radar) frequencies, it is necessary to allow for
self-centering to maintain a constant impedance so that the SWR will not
vary and cause reflections at the connector. Additionally, there is tension
on the outer twist-lock so the dielectric can be constant despite cable
movement. This is because at these frequencies, the cable becomes a
transmission line. It is very difficult to maintain high frequency
considerations when dealing with a toy connector such as an RCA plug for
this purpose. Properly made by a reputable manufacturer, the BNC is also
very robust averaging well over 160,000 repeated connects/disconnects for a
typical model. Try that with your RCA.
> I've never had any problems feeding the AES/EBU 110 ohm signal into a S/PDIF
> 75 ohm digi input.
You probably won't hear it but you can measure it, but it is insignificant
for this application. The Graham Patten folks *know what they are doing* as
is shown by their correct implementation of AES-3 in their gear. Do not
apply "home stereo" rules to very high frequency applications or you can
seriously compromise the end product.
> If you're anal about the resistance, there are cable manufacturers (Audio
> Magic is one) that sell AES/EBU XLR to S/PDIF RCA resistance converting
> cables.
It is not resistance and a simply made cable by whatever Gucci-brand
overpriced cable-monger will not transform impedance. Properly wired
"adaptor cables" can certainly be used to change one connector type to
another, but a transformer (or in this case, a pulse transformer) is the
only correct way to passively change impedance.
Thanks!
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From: "MattB" <matt@mattb.net>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #610
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:51:06 -0700
I have a set of these mics and I'm generally very happy with them. They came
with Omni, Cardioid, and Hyper Card caps. I haven't used the omnis mostly
because I prefer some directional ability. I hear the omni caps sound the
best, but maybe someone else can verify that. I usually use the cardioid
caps and I think they sound very nice. I have a MMW show (4-13-02) that I
think is my best example of what can be done with them. Get in touch if you
want to check it out. I've used the hypers at a Galactic show last summer
and found them to sound a lot thinner than the cardioids. It could have been
the venue/setup (Rico Theater, in Co - NOS by the board) but I've stuck with
the cards since. For FOB I don't think you can beat them for the money.
Matt
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Desmond Curran" <dcurran@pacaglab.com>
> Subject: OKTAVA Mk012 microphones
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:41:45 -0800
>
>
> Anyone ever use OKTAVA Mk012's or heard tapes made with them? I've heard
> people compare then to to km184's.... The seem to be quite inexpensive
> comaratively. Just wondering if they would be worth trying out.
>
> Des
>
>
From: "Desmond Curran" <dcurran@pacaglab.com>
Subject: NRBQ Taping Policy?
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:46:16 -0800
Anyone know what the Taping policy of NRBQ is?
Thanks,
Des
From: "Jamie Lutch" <jlutch@altairinc.com>
Subject: are plextors old news?
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:48:29 -0800
I know back in the day, plextor was the only manufacturer that put out
relaible drives. but over the last few years, as cd burning became more
mainstream, weve all been using ide drives with lots of success. I've jsut
come across this article, which is interesting to say the least. I dont see
a plex anywhere in the top 10...
http://www.cdspeed2000.com/go.php3?link=daeerrortest.php3
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From: "Stanley W. Smith" <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Black Frames & HABMX in Texas
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:00:14 -0600
The Black Frames & HABMX at the Mercury Friday and Tea Room Saturday
Black Frames:
Mike Dillon
Skerik
Brad Houser
Earl Harvin
Hairy Apes BMX:
Butt Moving Xperience
Friday Jan 17th:
Mercury - Austin, TX
Saturday Jan 18th:
Gypsy Tea Room - Dallas, TX
I'll be running the usual matrix rig for Dallas, but won't be able to make
the Austin show.
Anyone around to roll tape? The loonies in the bands would appreciate it.
Stan Smith
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From: Jared Williams <frambuesajam@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: Gillian Welch
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:10:24 -0800 (PST)
I know it's a long shot but...
I'm looking for this for a family member -
The name of the song is "Tear My Stillhouse Down" by
Gillian Welch and David Rawlings. They performed the
version I want on Austin City Limits, 22nd Season,
October 22, 1996. Gillian Welch did a version of the
son on her Revival album but she did that one without
David Rawlings and it is his guitar work that I like
best about the song.
I notice the two have been on a lot of tours together.
I would be surprised if they did not perform this
number at the concerts. Perhaps there is a recording
out there of it from a concert?
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
I've been trading and taping for many years. If you
have a lead on this I'll send you my list.
thanks -
Jared
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From: "Sherm Clow" <SCLOW@utah.gov>
Subject: re: Digidesign Mbox
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:06:56 -0700
The pro lists definitely recommend the Mbox for live recording. An
excellent product at a reasonable price. Make sure you have the latest
software/firmware, however. There were some skipping problems with the
initial release...since corrected.
From: Scott Goodwin <coryphaena_29403@juno.com>
Subject: Oktava 012s
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:49:50 -0500
Yo, Des -
A friend of mine and I got a pair of these about six months ago, and we
love them. We've been using them both with and without an external A>D
and with a Midiman Audio Buddy Preamp, with really excellent results. We
only have the cardioid capsules, and may also consider getting some
hypers sometime soon, but for now are very happy with these very cheap
mics.
Worst case, there's a bustling used market on eBay, so buying a pair,
trying them for a while, and then getting rid of them if you don't like
them would be a rather inexpensive proposition...
SWG
>From: "Desmond Curran" <dcurran@pacaglab.com>
>Subject: OKTAVA Mk012 microphones
>Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:41:45 -0800
>
>Anyone ever use OKTAVA Mk012's or heard tapes made with them? I've heard
>people compare then to to km184's.... The seem to be quite inexpensive
>comaratively. Just wondering if they would be worth trying out.
>
>Des
From: "David Forbis" <DL@forbis.org>
Subject: getting rid of DATs...
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:30:45 -0600 (CST)
I've got about 170 DATs that I'd like to get rid of. Various bands - I'll
provide details to anyone interested. Asking $170 for the bunch, which
includes USPS priority mail (will be more if sold overseas). Email if
interested! Thanks, Dave
From: evansdoor@earthlink.net
Subject: Capt Beefheart Town Hall 10/28/72 re-offer
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:52:00 -0500
Thanks to John Marki I can offer 3 b+p's of this single cd-r show.
Reply off-list to: evansdoor@earthlink.net See grapeman's original post
for source info...
Bob
> From: h Grape Minkoff - Grapeman
> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:31:19 -0800 (PST)
>
> On the 30th Anniversary of my 1st (or 2nd) audience recording, I am
> offering copies on CDR. The quality is not great. I used a SONY TC126
> with the stereo F-99S microphone that it came with. One track from my
> recording was included in the Grow Fins box set on Revenant (disc 5
> track 10 - One Red Rose That I Mean).
From: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Subject: preamp questions
Reply-To: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:52:50 -0500
Sorry if these questions have been asked before, but I am fairly new to the
taping world.
What battery-powered mic preamp devices are there available? Also, are they
a must-have vs. the standard built-in pre-amp I have been using, or just a
slight upgrade?
Also, who makes / sells the mic mounts that are adjustable for aiming? The
ones I have only parallel to each other (0 degrees).
Thanks,
Dave
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: ISO 4/17-19/87 SBD>MC or SBD>PCM>DAT
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:54:44 -0800
I realize tis might be a hell of a reach, but if there is anyway anyone
has the original Casette Master's, I'd like to retransfer the show, s
the lineage would be SBD>MC>WAV>CDA or SHN. I have what I'm pretty
impressed with as a Cassette Deck, a Denn 700, 3 head, 3 motor and a ART
DI/O A/D converter. I'd like to remaster the run directly from the
master casette's, hopefully, or from the DAT's if I can't locate the
Cassette's, which I have very little hope of locating. I would like to
remaster the shows so the lineage for the run would be SBD>MC>WAV>SHN or
CDA. As I don't think there is much chance of getting the original
MC's, I'd like to make the SHN copies so there would be no EAC in te
lineage.
Keith
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From: "Ragan Todd" <rhinelander2130@hotmail.com>
Subject: Texas Coldplay dates
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:38:53 +0000
If anyone is planning to tape Coldplay on their upcoming Texas dates,
be sure to tape the opening band, MossEisley. They'll be opening in Houston
(1-28), Austin (1-29), and Dallas (1-31). Both bands have the same manager,
which is how Coldplay heard MossEisley's music and decided to have them
open. There are mp3s on the band's site http://www.mosseisley.com/ , and
their live show is supposed to be even better. If anyone comes away with a
decent tape, please contact me and I'm sure we can work out a trade from my
rather eclectic list.
Ragan
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From: "Ed Wawrzyniak" <ed_wawrzyniak@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO tapers for OPETH - prog metal !!
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:05:13 -0600
Opeth's music is unparalleled. Two seemingly contradictory words best
describe their music: brutal yet beautiful. Crunching riffs mixed with
intricate guitar melodies that blend seemlessly into acoustic
passages. Heavy vocals combined with clean vocal parts. Yes, as bizarre as
it sounds it really works!! Let me assure you this is no nu-metal drivel.
IMO progressive metal in the truest sense of the word.
As I never received a response re: their taping policy, these shows will
most likely have to be stealthed. PLEASE tape this band!!
Opeth w/ Paradise Lost & Tapping the Vein
1/18 Worcester, MA - Palladium
1/19 New York, NY - Irving Plaza
1/21 West Springfield, VA - Jaxx
1/22 Philadelphia, PA - Troc
1/23 Pittsburgh, PA - Club Laga
1/24 Toronto, ONT - Opera House
1/25 Cleveland, OH - Agora Ballroom
1/27 Chicago, IL - House of Blues
1/29 Boulder, CO - Fox Theater
1/31 San Francisco, CA - The Pound
2/01 Los Angeles, CA - Troubadour
2/02 Phoenix, AZ - Mason Jar
2/03 Santa Ana, CA - The Galaxy
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