DAT-heads Digest #622
Contents:
Audio recording programs that sense Start-IDs from SPDIF-in from DAT (E.Easterly)
VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital ("J R")
Re: VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital (Keith Bode)
VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital ("J R")
battery box schematic ("James B. Wilkinson")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #621 - Help! Edirol UA-1D and TCD-D8 (Barry Welch)
Re: VHS (Tom McCreadie)
Re: VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital ("Steve Sanford")
camper van beethoven tapers? (pwking)
war ("MarkS Barnett")
FS: Sony PCM-M1 DAT (frappster@stny.rr.com)
FS: DPA-4061 factory matched pair & battery box (frappster@stny.rr.com)
Re: Sony M1 vs. D100 (Mark Mayhle)
huh ("Matt C.")
Re:VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital ("Marco Gallo")
re: Analog vs. Digital... (rob landis)
Rolling Stones Chicago 2 shows trade ("hiroyuki tanaka")
VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital ("zach")
From: eeast@usa.net (E.Easterly)
Subject: Audio recording programs that sense Start-IDs from SPDIF-in from DAT
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:11:27 -0800
In an effort to scope out the DAT to HD transfer of my collection, it
occured to me that almost all of my DATs have start-IDs at the beginning of
each song. Are there some audio programs that will note each start ID as I
record from DAT to computer via SPDIF?
Thanks,
Elliott
From: "J R" <ja5667@hotmail.com>
Subject: VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:36:58 -0500
Figures such a controversial post couldn't go without a response from the
oil painting advertiser (which was an obvious spam to the digest a couple
weeks ago) and ebay ticket scalper Keith Bode. Thanks again for you're
newest lengthy novel to digest and life story. Truly a tear jerker.
And so this isn't a completely worthless post, does anyone know of any
software that will turn the perfect music on a CD into a CDR that's full of
pops and clicks like you'd hear on a vinyl record. If anyone knows of any
software please post it for our vinyl fans. You know, you guys could just
get a nice EQ to make your CDs sound better. But I guess you can't teach an
old dog new tricks. The spinning of the black circle is probably too
hypnotizing.
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From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:41:15 -0800
Damn, I found more people agreed with me than I thought. One of the
replies addressed the sound quality of a Studer 2" 16 track analog
master reel. I'd like to have one of thse, except when I do see them on
eBay they have price tags in the $15,000 range. A few years back
Smithsonian/Folkways (at least I think that's who did it) put out a
tribute to both Woody Guthrie and Leadbelly. I lifted the sound track
from my DVD to my HD. One scene in the film had Little Richard in the
studio with a band of LA musicians doing Leadbelly's song "Rock Island
Line". The first time I heard that track, I was driving for some work
at 10PM on a sunday night on "The House of Blues Radio Hour". I was
completely blown away, and tried to find that recording without
success. Well, I foud it in that video. I thought Little Richard was
playing piano, but someone else was. Throughout the session were
repeated shots of that 2" tape at 30 ips.
I know I am not alone in having an A/D converter with a tube in it, to
warm up the audio quality, and make it less harsh, more of an analog
softness. I have seen other units with similar function.
Keith
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From: "J R" <ja5667@hotmail.com>
Subject: VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:00:45 -0500
Yeah, let's agree to disagree. You can keep your pops and clicks
(especially during the silent gaps between songs) because I found them to be
too distracting. It's imperfect and a matter of taste I guess. And I'll
agree with that.
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From: "James B. Wilkinson" <jimmy@CS.cofc.EDU>
Subject: battery box schematic
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:22:41 -0500
I've just bought a pair of Core Sound Binaurals (omni's) that had no
battery box with them. This must be a very simple device, and I'm
handy with solder, so I thought I'd just build one. Can somebody
point me to a schematic? I did a Google search and didn't turn up
much.
Oddly enough, one of the things it *did* turn up was a reply to
somebody from Len Moskowitz. It seemed to imply that the battery box
was unnecessary under some circumstances. Could that be right?
BTW, what I plan to record with these is mostly woodwind practice
sessions. Maybe the occasional session with a classical chamber
orchestra (ca. 35 players). I think that means that I don't want any
bass rolloff.
Thanks guys.
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From: Barry Welch <barryw@io.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #621 - Help! Edirol UA-1D and TCD-D8
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:17:10 -0600
At 5:50 PM -0500 1/26/03, Digestifier wrote:
>From: Peter Aronson <lists@getfearless.com>
>Subject: Help! Edirol UA-1D and TCD-D8
>Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:20:15 -0600
>
>Hello all,
>
>I'm hoping someone can help me -- does anyone have experience using a Sony
>TCD-D8 (or D7) with the Edirol UA-1D? I'm trying to feed audio into my
>Powerbook G4 (which has no analog audio inputs... don't get me started...)
>and I'm not getting any audio signal. Here's the setup:
Sorry I can't help you wityh the UA-ID, bit I run into my G4 titanium powerbook
through a VXPocket. Works great.
From: Tom McCreadie <mccreadi@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: VHS
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:30:49 +0100
Scott Goodwin in #620
>Uhh...what exactly do you think DAT machines use for heads?
><snip>
>>Yes the paper specs do look seductive but those machines had their
>shortcomings.
>>Firstly, the limitations of the rotating head assembly gives unavoidable
>>hum and buzz noise about 50dB down
Sure they have rotating heads - and thankfully a bit smaller than those in
their two box pcm/vcr predecessors which lots of tapers lugged around for
years. But I think you have to bear in mind a key difference in operating
principle between a DAT machine and a hi-fi VHS recorder: At the end of the
day, its a _digital_ signal strem which a DAT machine is laying down onto
tape, whereas the hi-fi VHS is laying down an _analog_ . The DAT playback
heads, therefore, can - and do - get off with returning a lousy, noisy
signal, because that signal only has to be _good enough_ to allow you to
distinguish correctly between a "1" and "0".
Thus you could record, say, a stream of 0,0,1,0,1,1,0 and get back a
horrible 0.1, 0.4, 1.2, 0.01, 0.7, 0.9, 0.3. This, though, is still easily
recognizable as "can only have been 0,0,1,0,1,1,0", and is corrected
accordingly. The analog route simply can't cater for that kind of noise
rejection. Intruding noise will end up at the output, unless you resort to
filters, preemphasis, compansion etc. The foregoing doesn't describe how
DAT or VHS stuff is really recorded, but we're talkin' principles here <g>.
Tom.
From: "Steve Sanford" <jigsawearth@lycos.com>
Subject: Re: VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital
Reply-To: jigsawearth@lycos.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:48:57 -0500
this is such a tired debate and has been since the early 80s when people started regularly buying cds,, try to accept that someone could prefer the sound a cd provides over vinyl, its all ones preference anyhow,, or maybe someone remembers how anal you had to be with your albums to keep them enjoyable or the time constraints that come with vinyl,, the convenience of digital is undeniable, why can't people just go with their preference and leave this lame debate behind,,,, whats next? the live acoustic naturalist will join in and declare all recorded sound crap,, claiming someone has no clue on their own preference is what i find sickening,, or maybe i don't know anything about my own preferences,, great contribution to the list
steve
>>From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@attbi.com>
>>Subject: VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital
>>Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:19:25 -0500
>>I think those pops and clicks are in your head
>>because you obviously are some wookie that does not have a clue!
>>sometimes it's sickening to see you wookies rant about something
>>you don't know anything about
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From: pwking <sleepypedro@yahoo.com>
Subject: camper van beethoven tapers?
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:53:58 -0800 (PST)
hey --
i'd like to find and trade with anyone who did camper
van beethoven masters from the current (or previous??)
tour. drop me a line!
last night's show at the 9:30 club in DC was immense;
my mbho603a-200 master is mighty fine. as i said,
drop me a line!
emit siht ta ria eht ni pu eb ot smees gnihtyreve,
peter
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From: "MarkS Barnett" <msbmsbmsb@hotmail.com>
Subject: war
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:38:03 +0000
What
Are
Records?
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From: frappster@stny.rr.com
Subject: FS: Sony PCM-M1 DAT
Reply-To: frappster@stny.rr.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:46:16 +0000
This DAT machine was bought new in September of 2002. I've used it to tape 10 shows, and for some slight playback at home. There is a maximum of 50 hours of usage on the machine total. Its in perfect working condition. It comes with wall wart, rechargeable NI-MH batteries that were included and the battery charger, protective dust case, and instruction manual. I bought this machine for $750. I would like $600 since its only been used very lightly and has been treated with care, but the price is negotiable. I'm also selling a pair of DPA-4061 mics that will be listed in a seperate post. I will give preference and a discount to someone willing to buy both. If you are interested please email me at frappster@stny.rr.com
-Troy Frappier
frappster@stny.rr.com
From: frappster@stny.rr.com
Subject: FS: DPA-4061 factory matched pair & battery box
Reply-To: frappster@stny.rr.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:58:44 +0000
Factory matched pair of DPA 4061-BM miniature microphones, purchased brand new in September 2002. These mics are great for stealthing, sound good and have made me some nice recordings. They are in perfect working condition only used on about 10 occasions. Also included is the MPS-6030, the DPA battery box used to power the microphones. I will include the testing documentation that was provided to me by DPA proving the mics are matched. I bought these mics for $900 (including the battery box which was $100), I am asking $725 for both, but the price is negotiable. I am also selling an Sony M1 DAT machine listed in a previous post. Preference and a discount will go to buyers interested in purchasing both. If you are interested or have any questiones please email frappster@stny.rr.com
-Troy Frappier
frappster@stny.rr.com
From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: Re: Sony M1 vs. D100
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:55:14 -0600 (CST)
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 ISTEIN2@aol.com wrote:
> Other than the fact that the D100 imprints SCMS coding on 1st generation
> digital clones, the M1 is identical in every other way. Except, of course,
> the color is black rather than metallic. If you already have an SCMS-free
> DAT deck, the D100 is fine as a playback deck.
Also note that the D100 comes with the little wired remote/display
gadget. While this most unfortunately cannot start recording (although it
can pause and stop), the display can be very, very handy for checking
levels in a stealth situation.
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
From: "Matt C." <Snakebite@nyloose.com>
Subject: huh
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:20:05 -0800
any chance of fixing this? probably not.
www.nyloose.com/samp.mp3
From: "Marco Gallo" <marco@cipoo.net>
Subject: Re:VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:10:26 +0100
Hello,
it's 7 years that I keep on reading dat-heads. Normally I do not post but
this time I would like to write my opinion on the never ending discussions
about analog and digital. I'll try to be clear as much as possible as
english is not my native language, so, please, forgive my mistakes.
Shortly I just want to point out out that, IMHO
1) I do not believe that analog is better than digital or vice versa; I
believe that exist good/bad technique and good/bad technicians to
record/edit music. In 2001 I record a CD with my choir and it sounds bad to
me; it is not because of the digital recording: it's because of the
questionable preparation (or, maybe, of the attitude) of the sound
technician
2) I think it is in the human nature to think that everything is older is
better: society was not so nasty 50 years ago (and 50 years ago was worst
than 100 years ago, ...), Win2K is much better than XP (but when Win2k comes
out on the market was very bad w.r.t. NT4.0 that is was worst than NT3.51
...) (for those of you that hate Microsoft I could tell of all the times
that I heard the same story about Sun OS much better than Sun Solaris, or
SGI Irix versions)
3) today's technology, even the consumer one, is not so far from human
limits; are we so sure that when we listen to a difference such difference
really exist or it's just psychological? Maybe it do exist, nevertheless you
can't not neglect a phycological factor in everything we see or listen that
in some way influences our final opinion
4) I prefer compare a recording against the real life: I recently record a
(amatorial) piano session; I can not tell any difference with the real piano
when I listen to it on my stereo. For me, that tape is good. I do not mind
if with a very expensive gig I would have performed a better recording:
surely it would, when analyzed by laboratory instruments; probably it would
not, when listened with my ears (that are not so perfect, I admit; I have
serious problems over 12KHz, and also 9dB attenuation in the 6-7 KHz range)
My final thought is therefore that I don't care if something is digital or
analog, if there exist just one Truth, if old CDs sounds bad (maybe because
they were artificiously equalized when re-mastered from the original
recording: but that is abusing a technology, not that the technology is bad
in itself). You are the only judge; enjoy the music you listen because you
love that music; if you prefer playing it on your analog turntable, it's Ok;
if you believe your CD player is better, it's again Ok.
Personally, I like and enjoy music even when I listen to it even from my
very cheap PC loudspeaker...
I hope I have offended noone with my thoughts,
Marco
From: rob landis <pyramid_down@yahoo.com>
Subject: re: Analog vs. Digital...
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:38:04 -0800 (PST)
J R wrote:
"Those who prefer records over CDs grew up with
listening to the
pops and clicks and when they weren't there on CD,
their songs just didn't sound the
same anymore. CDs are made to make the music sound as
it always should have. So you can hear like you were
in the studio with the
artist, without pops and clicks and humming noise."
UGH. another stuipd blanket statement not based in
reality. i did not grow up w/ LPs. i listened to them
when i was really little, cause that's all that was
around, but that's it... i got into LPs when i bought
a cheap turntable and a couple 7" singles, cause i
thought they were cool and collectable...then i
noticed how much better they sounded- yes, even w/ all
the hum and clicks and pops on my at the time shitty
setup. and as for making the music sound like it
always should have? don't make me laugh. a few weeks
ago i was lucky enough to find a '70s UK copy of the
beatles white album in decent shape for a reasonable
price (about 35 dollars, as opposed to the 25 or 30
dollar 2CD set). by comparison, the CD sounds like
ASS. and there are tons of other examples too, even
where the CD transfer isn't as piss-poor as it is w/
those beatles CD reissues...man, i will be SO happy
when CDs go the way of the 8-track, and hi-res digital
audio is affordable...music like it was meant to be
heard, my ass... MUSIC LIKE IT WAS MEANT TO BE
BROKEN... which i am angry enough to do now.
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From: "hiroyuki tanaka" <h-tanaka@yc4.so-net.ne.jp>
Subject: Rolling Stones Chicago 2 shows trade
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:03:04 +0900
Hello,
I taped Rolling Stones Chicago 2 shows last week.
1/21: 6th row! recording
1/22: second row!! recording
I used Sony TCD-100 and DSM6S, excellent sound.
If someone is interested in my tape, please contact me.
I would like to trade my tape for Rolling Stones, Peter Gabriel, Neil Young,
Jeff Beck and so on.
I want to trade on DAT.
Please send me your lists for a quick trade.
Thanks Hiro
From: "zach" <zach@funkytulip.com>
Subject: VHS Vs. DAT / Analog Vs. Digital
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:26:46 -0700
Anyone want a copy of the Stones show (what this thread started about) on
Wax cylinder?
I mean really, you can't even compare the S/N ratio, musicality, and
archival ability. It's so sweet!
I also had a choir, composer, and musical scribe on hand that night to
memorize the show, so we can get a true representation of the sound. I'll
trade you my choir/composer for your choir/composer. I'll ask that you send
first though ;-)
My pal stealthed the show (o.k. he just wrote down the notes), but since
it's stealthed some people might still not want it. I'll sell you a copy, I
love selling copyrighted works! Oh, wait you can just order the music sheet
from Amazon DOH!
Now let's get back to our regularly scheduled discussion of the tour dates,
trades and For Sale posts :-)
Peace,
Zach
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