DAT-heads Digest #627
Contents:
Re: battery power vs. plug-in power ("DCA")
Coldplay ("J Van")
Seeking examples of concert etiquette infractions (onelson@enteract.com)
FS: tascam da-302 dual well dat (SnowRide@aol.com)
Why nomad Jukebox 3 is probably as bad as the 1 (Myrmika@aol.com)
Matrix w/ a Mackie 1202-VLZ Pro? (Sean Cartwright)
Re: battery box schematics ("Len Moskowitz")
looking for Chris Robinson (Black Crowes) tapers... ("Erik Heath")
Question for converters ("Will Foy")
ISO: London UK taper for gig 27/2/03 (Taper4dat@aol.com)
Looking for recordings from Australian Band FRUIT ("Joe Ray Skrha, Attorney at Law")
ISO Other Ones 2002 Shows for trade (ronald cavellier)
looking to buy mics
ISO: Oade ACTIVE 7 Pin > Coax In/Out cable (magichatr9@juno.com)
L.A. Tapers (Steve Wren)
!!!PLEASE HELP!!! ISO: Willie Nelson 03/24/02 (Richard)
From: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: battery power vs. plug-in power
Reply-To: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:52:54 -0500
Len,
Don't forget to mention, that even if your "LC series" does not _need_
battery power, it will be limited in its dynamic range if it only uses
plug-in
power. I used a Sony mic that was made to be powered from the mic-in
of their MD portables, even though it sounded pretty good for its tiny size
(much like Core Sound and Sound Professionals mics), it showed its
limitations when recording loud music. It began to saturate / clip.
The mic-in voltage from an MD is only about 3-4 VDC compared to the
+9VDC internal power, or +48VDC phantom power used on professional mics.
In general, for live music location recording,
you will get disappointing results using just a plug-in power mic, unless
you are far away from the stacks.
Dave
>In general, with the LC-series, if your recorder provides "Plug-in
>Power" you shouldn't need a battery box. Don't listen to people who say
>that you do.
>In contrast, our Core Sound-series of microphones (the Core Sound
>Binaural and Core Sound Stealthy Cardioids) can not be powered
>from "Plug-in Power" -- they require the battery box that's supplied
>with them.
From: "J Van" <jvan1975@hotmail.com>
Subject: Coldplay
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:45:42 -0600
Looking for any nice, recent Coldplay shows . I made a nice master of the
1-28-03, Houston show with Sonic Studios DSM6/P mics > M1. Runs about 90
minutes, or 2 CDs.
From: onelson@enteract.com
Subject: Seeking examples of concert etiquette infractions
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:38:35 -0600
An excellent rock and roll talk show on WXRT in Chicago is going to be doing a
show on concert etiquette, overzealous security goons, etc. I'd like to gather
some recorded examples of especially jerk-like behavior.
I know that a few such things have been posted here before (eg links to mp3's
of people getting told to shut the fuck up). Wondering if anyone has any more.
I'm not interested in trading for whole DATs just to get a few seconds of
hilarity/disgust.
Thanks,
Olaf
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From: SnowRide@aol.com
Subject: FS: tascam da-302 dual well dat
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:41:36 -0500
Sorry for the cross posts!
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This deck is in good working condition with a minor scratch on the rack mount. This deck has not seen much use lately as I've gone to hard drive recording and do not need to clone dats anymore. I have never had bad clone from this deck. Buyer pays $20 insured shipping. Thanks, Cliff
Bidding starts at $150 with no reserve.
Thanks,
Cliff
From: Myrmika@aol.com
Subject: Why nomad Jukebox 3 is probably as bad as the 1
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:45:21 EST
i read on a 2 jukebox users sites that maximum battery life for recording
with the original NJB was 13-20 minutes maximum, so that 30 minutes of
recording will be anyones max on a Jukebox recorder original.
I suspect that the NJB3 is similarly appalling, and that at best 45 minutes
of encoding is possible... obviously the chips and the HDD write function
drain batteries dry...
did someone already know this?
are there any other HD jukebox type ripoffs that might also one day replace
the dat. shame some DIY guys didnt manage to make an upstart Jukebox sampler
box, it's been begging for it ever since the rio!
Thx
Ant
From: Sean Cartwright <scartwri@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Matrix w/ a Mackie 1202-VLZ Pro?
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:55:15 -0500
Hey People,
Would this work? Any better suggestions, given the limitations of $$$?
If anyone could offer some tips, I'd greatly appreciate it! I've
never done it before (matrix) and would really like to get it right the
first time, I unfortunately don't have time to practice at a show.
What I want to do is something like this:
KM140>
> Mackie> SBM1> DAT
SBD>
Does this make sense/will it work (with good results)? I could put a V2
into the mix but I don't know where the best position would be (if
there is one)? Are there any better options (without spending a fortune)
Thanks for any help!
Peace,
Sean
From: "Len Moskowitz" <moskowit@core-sound.com>
Subject: Re: battery box schematics
Reply-To: "Len Moskowitz" <moskowit@core-sound.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:04:21 -0500 (EST)
Cory <coryphaena_29403@juno.com> wrote:
> I've used Core LCB's, with and without "battery boxes", and I can tell
> you this:
>
> With a Sony D8 DAT, Core LCBs function perfectly with the 'plug-in
> power' of the D8 'mic in'. Until you get to a pretty loud show, that
> is... Then, you'll run into the "brickwalling" effect that the Sony
> DAT internal mic preamps are notorious for. You'll overload the mic
> preamp.
I'm very glad to hear that you're enjoying our Low Cost Binaural (LCB)
microphone set. One word of caution: The Low Cost-series of mics was
not designed to be used for critical recording with DAT recorders.
Their dynamic range and distortion characteristics don't do justice to
DAT, and that's why, if you are using a DAT recorder, we strongly
recommend our mid-range line of mics (the Core Sound Binaural and Core
Sound Stealthy Cardiod microphone sets). A $75 set of LCB mics simply
can't match the sound quality of your $700 DAT recorder.
Again: if you are recording with a DAT recorder, we don't recommend the
LCBs. You are throwing away 20 dB of dynamic range and using a mic set
that has significantly more distortion than your DAT recorder. You'll
get much better sounding recordings with our mid-range series of mics.
You are correct that a battery box helps the LCBs in the situation you
described. But you're missing the reason why the battery box helps the
LCBs in this situation. It's not because it increases headroom or
dynamic range, and not because of the higher voltage the battery box
provides. It's because when you use the LCBs to record loud music into
the mic input, the mics put out a level high enough to overload the mic
pre-amp's input stages (what is commonly called "brickwalling"). With a
self-powered mic, you'd correct this by using an attenuator cable
between the mics and the recorder to drop the level. But since the LCBs
are powered by the recorder, you can't use an attenuator cable between
the mics and the recorder.
If you add a battery box to our LCBs, since they won't then need the
recorder to provide power, you will be able to use an attenuator cable
and be able to feed the Mic input without overloading. Or you can feed
the Line input, which can handle signals roughly 26 dB higher in level
than the mic input on low sensitivity.
However, if you use the Line input you will lose something important:
the bass roll-off filter. The filter is matched to the impedance of the
Mic input. If you use the Line input (with its much higher impedance),
the filter becomes completely ineffective. So, if you have a battery
box and need the bass roll-off filter function, use the Mic input and a
20 dB attenuator cable.
I hope this helped!
Len Moskowitz Binaural StealthMics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: "Erik Heath" <erikheath@hotmail.com>
Subject: looking for Chris Robinson (Black Crowes) tapers...
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:58:46 +0000
On his upcoming midwest tour. Mainly the michigan dates....
Sat 02/08/03 Denver, CO Fillmore Auditorium
Mon 02/10/03 Minneapolis, MN Fine Line Music Cafe
Tue 02/11/03 Madison, WI Barrymore Theatre
Wed 02/12/03 Milwaukee, WI The Rave / Eagles Ballroom
Thu 02/13/03 Chicago, IL Park West
Sat 02/15/03 Urbana, IL Canopy Club
Mon 02/17/03 Grand Rapids, MI The Intersection
Tue 02/18/03 Ferndale, MI Magic Bag
Thu 02/20/03 Toronto, ON Lee's Palace
Sat 02/22/03 Pittsburgh, PA Metropol
Mon 02/24/03 Cleveland, OH Odeon Concert Club
Tue 02/25/03 Cincinnati, OH Bogart's
Wed 02/26/03 Columbus, OH Newport Music Hall
Thu 02/27/03 Indianapolis, IN The Vogue
Sat 03/01/03 St. Louis, MO Mississippi Nights
Sun 03/02/03 Columbia, MO Blue Note
Tue 03/04/03 Omaha, NE Ranch Bowl
Wed 03/05/03 Kansas City, MO Grand Emporium
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From: "Will Foy" <willfoy@pobox.com>
Subject: Question for converters
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:51:15 -0500
Simply put, what are you doing with your old tapes?
I've been taping on DAT for a number of years and recently migrated to a
laptop rig, as I'm not much for stealth, never have been [no slight
intended against those who are pro-stealth]. I've also been converting
my shows, usually a band at a time, to CD Audio and SHN [ burning a set
of each ], archiving on good cd media, with cd safe pens to indicate the
pertinent information. The jury's still out on labels, so I'm holding
for a while.
At any rate, I remember some discussions, and I'm sure a query to the
dat-heads archive search would pull these up, about the shelf-life of
the actual DAT tapes, with long-term archival not being a reality for
DAT as a technology. Eventually, the magnetic coding will be degraded,
due to what we called "bit-rot" and the resulting recording would have
dropouts and worse. So... In light of that, what are other converters
doing with their tapes? Selling them as a sort of one-pass tape that
happens to have music on it? Sitting on their collections, just because?
What else? I don't know that I'd want any "creative" uses for them to
make a handy park bench or anything, but I'd like to start by slowly
getting some of my shows either to others, or at least out of my tiny
office here at home.
Ideas? Thanks a bunch...
Wob: keller williams 10.2.2002 @ ziggy's
Namaste, will
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see and even more difficult to harvest - Brian Herbert
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From: Taper4dat@aol.com
Subject: ISO: London UK taper for gig 27/2/03
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:33:58 -0500
I assume no London UK tapers have serious plans for taping DEF LEPPARD at the Brixton Academy in London UK on the 27/2/03? So since I live too far from London and I am unable to go, is there any chance that a London taper could tape this gig for me?
I will even cover ticket and blanks expenses if any DAT taper would be willing to tape Def Leppard at the Brixton Academy, London UK on the 27/2/02. This is the last show on the UK leg of the tour, which I would love to hear a copy of. Any help would be much appreciated. Email me off list if you can help me out.
Thanks,
Andrew
From: "Joe Ray Skrha, Attorney at Law" <joeray@ptialaska.net>
Subject: Looking for recordings from Australian Band FRUIT
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:48:51 -0900
Hello My Friends,
Last summer I had the distinct pleasure of seeing a band that blew me
away unlike any new band has blown me away since seeing CSNY for the first
time back in 1969. The bands name is FRUIT and they are from downunder in
Australia. They consist of 4 ladies and a guy drummer. The primary
guitarist-singer-songwriter is a gal by the name of Susie Keynes. This lady
can sing like a combination of Sheryl Crow and Joni Mitchell and play
guitar with the best of the touring lead guitarists... Peev, she'd even
give you a run for your money. She is considered to be one of the best
songwriters in her native country. Recently Susie has been billed as " An
evening of 4 stunning solo performances by Australian women: Andrea Rienets
(VIC), Heather Frahn (SA), Kerrianne Cox (WA) and Susie Keynes (SA)."
I didn't even plan on seeing them when they toured through Alaska but
for my daughter Katie Skrha who was booked to open FRUIT's concert in
Kenai,Alaska. Katie did her hour long set and before Fruit took the stage,
I had a chance to see the bands instruments up close: electric guitar and
bass, acoustic guitar, keyboard, drums and many percussion instruments.
Katie talked me into sticking around for a few songs. Once Fruit started to
play, their 3 and 4 part harmony was extremely impressive. Susie told me
she had often studied David Crosby's harmony style. The harmony's were crisp
and to the point without being lost or overwhelming the melody. Best of all
I could understand their songs and follow the lyrics. Several of the more
impressive songs were "Sunsets and Hurricanes', Islands,Wild Angel, Wind
Blows and Dreaming". I especially liked 'Kisses For Her, Inside My Mind and
These Things' which are Susie Keynes solo songs.
If any of you folks from Australia have any of Susie Keynes concerts
recorded, please let me know. I have to get more of this artist. Same goes
if you have recorded Susie as part of her touring band FRUIT. Either solo
or with Fruit, I strongly suggest you have to see Susie Keynes in person.
She has one solo CD out by the name of "KISS FOR HER FEARS"... Fruit has
been together since 1996 and had recorded 8 CD downunder.Their latest is
called "LIVE AT THE BASEMENT". All of their music can be obtained through
their website at: http://www.fruit.on.net/
Why these folks haven't headlined a major tour in America is beyond me.
They have played the lower 48 as well as an extended 2 week side tour of
Alaska playing in clubs for 500 to festivals of 50,000. Many of their songs
can be heard in full off their website by clicking on Sounds, Albums and
Merchandise. Susie Keynes solos CD can be found on FRUITS website also.
Give yourself a treat and get to know the music of Susie Keynes and
FRUIT...and you too may be blown away like I was... Pray For Peace,
Joe Ray Skrha
From: ronald cavellier <roncav@earthlink.net>
Subject: ISO Other Ones 2002 Shows for trade
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 06:24:42 -0500 (EST)
I have TOO DATs of 8/3/02 and 8/4/02 Alpine Valley all main stage
except Trichromes, 11/16/02 Albany, 11/27/02 Cleveland and 11/29/02 Pittsburgh we recorded (or CDRs) to trade for other TOO shows especially 12/06/02 and 12/31/02. Reply to roncav@earthlink.net. Will trade for other bands/shows...
Ron
From: <john@thedalys.com>
Subject: looking to buy mics
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:54:41 -0500
Hi all,
Looking for some comments on a set of mics that would mainly be used to record "jam band" type groups mostly in small to medium size clubs. Not planning on taping big arenas and festivals. Would like to keep the price in the neighborhood of $500/pair new or used. These mics would feed into my D8. I don't have a pre amp or A-D converter. I suppose that would be next. After much reading it seems like something with a cardoid pattern is the way to go? Thanks for any responses.
-john
From: magichatr9@juno.com
Subject: ISO: Oade ACTIVE 7 Pin > Coax In/Out cable
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:58:16 GMT
I know these are hard to come by nowadays but if anyone is looking to get rid of an ACTIVE digital 7pin>coax (in/out) cable for sony portable DAT decks please contact me.
Ben
WOB:
Strangefolk 1/11/03 Audio (3) / SHN (2)
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From: Steve Wren <coasterdude@livetaping.com>
Subject: L.A. Tapers
Reply-To: coasterdude@livetaping.com
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:09:02 -0800 (PST)
TONIGHT!
Whorse
I am hoping there is someone out there who can preserve this show:
at "The Gig" on Melrose in Hollywood
New band with a great sound. Hard rock with striking female vocals.
This gig has turned into a showcase with many record company scouts and agents on-hand.
This is only the second gig for this band (in L.A.). Click the "Music" button at:
http://www.officialwhorsesite.com
for a couple of music samples.
Please let me know (off-list) if you can tape tonight -- I would like a copy for the band's archives.
I do have all gigs from the band's "freshman" tour in the mid-west.
From: Richard <wehideandseek@yahoo.com>
Subject: !!!PLEASE HELP!!! ISO: Willie Nelson 03/24/02
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:22:44 -0800 (PST)
Namaste Y'all!
in getting ready for a trade i have discovered my
master of the above show is missing :(
Does anyone have a clone that i offered up as BWT last
Spring, they can send me?
i might have even sent out my master instead of a
clone to someone...it was on a Maxell 90m...
take care
and
happy trails
richard from flagstaff
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