DAT-heads Digest #628
Contents:
RE: DAT-heads Digest #627 ("Jamie Lutch")
Elvis Costello ("John M. Tooley")
Re: battery power vs. plug-in power ("Royal Repis")
RE: Matrix w/ a Mackie 1202-VLZ Pro? (Joshua David Hay)
Re: Digest #627- Matrix w/ a Mackie 1202-VLZ Pro? (acffh)
aimee mann grovel post ("Chris Rees")
FS : SONY TCD-D8 MINT ("chris castino")
Got Canyon? (Charles)
skb2002-08-10 Taste Test Logins! ("Chris Black")
Re: Why nomad Jukebox 3 is probably as bad as the 1 ("Mike BB")
ISO: SBM-1 ("Onno J.R. Bakker")
D7 Repair (Keith)
Re: Why nomad Jukebox 3 is probably as bad as the 1 ("Brad Wiseman")
Looking for UK Radio taper this sunday ("Bas Ruesink")
spd/if noise (cook@eklektix.com)
FS: Sony D3 Owner's Manual ("Steve Smith")
RE: Why nomad Jukebox 3 is probably as bad as the 1 (Michael Frasca)
From: "Jamie Lutch" <jlutch@altairinc.com>
Subject: RE: DAT-heads Digest #627
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:04:37 -0800
>
> I suspect that the NJB3 is similarly appalling, and that at best
> 45 minutes
> of encoding is possible... obviously the chips and the HDD write function
> drain batteries dry...
'I Suspect' that you dont know what youre talking about. The unit runs 5-6
hours recording, 10 or more playback, now only if it would record correctly!
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From: "John M. Tooley" <jmtooley@ce.net>
Subject: Elvis Costello
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:12:58 -0500
Anybody here have a good DAT tape of Elvis Costello to trade for another
artist? I have Stones, Dave Matthews, Peter Gabriel.
Thanks, John
From: "Royal Repis" <royalrepis@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: battery power vs. plug-in power
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:15:23 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
I have a set of Core Sound mics with the Core Sound battery box, and have=
never had any problems when recording even a loud punk show. The Core S=
ound mic's that I have performed great, never had one problem with satura=
tion/clipping. And I was only 8 to 10 feet away from the stacks, and the=
band I recorded has a reputation for being one of the loudest punk bands=
in the state of Texas. I think Len's microphones are a fantastic produc=
t as far as miniature microphones go. I would think with all of the expe=
rience and background that Mr. Moskowitz has in electronic engineering th=
at he for sure knows what he is doing when it comes to making excellent m=
icrophones and mic accessories. The proof is in the product. Peace,
From: Joshua David Hay <mjhay@gsb.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Matrix w/ a Mackie 1202-VLZ Pro?
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:17:45 -0500
I recently ran the following:
Matrix (50% MBHO 603> MP2)/( 50% SBD)>Mackie 1202>Graham Patten ADC20>D8
I had a stereo patch from the board via rca. It came out great...but took a while to get all the level right. My suggestion is, if you do this...make sure to bring really good headphones. Without listening and adjusting the levels, you'll have no idea what you are recording. Email me if you want to discuss in more detail.
Josh
From: acffh <morst@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Digest #627- Matrix w/ a Mackie 1202-VLZ Pro?
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:54:09 -0600
You can get great recordings using just this setup, although
additional gear can allow for even more flexibility. I will describe
how to maximize this setup and also options you can take as other
gear becomes available. We've done this quite a bit using setups
from very similar to identical, and it's a kick.
I suggest you run the V2 as a preamp for the km140's. You could
forgo the V2, but it's even cleaner than the vlz's preamps.
I also suggest you place the mics as close to the stage as you can,
within reason. If you have access, or the house sound engineer is
particularly cooperative, perhaps you can place the mics on stage
then feed the signals down the main xlr signal snake and back to the
console area where you have the v2, mackie, A>D converter and direct
board feed. As physical distance between the stage mics and the
ambient pair increases, phase coherence and intelligibility will be
sacrificed due to differing arrival times of the sounds' wavefronts.
Placing the mics close to or on the stage minimizes this distance.
Crowd reaction is the main thing missing from directly recorded
non-matrixed board feeds. The other thing missing from board feeds
is whatever is loud on stage. Aiming a mic pair directly at the
stage compensates for a situation where there are instruments so loud
that the sound engineer doesn't include them in the board mix.
I realize all my other suggestions require more gear, maybe you can
team up with someone who has the parts you don't if these options
aren't available to you at this time.
If the direct-mic signal is delayed to match the arrival time of the
sound from the main speakers to the ambient pair the time smear
effect can be eliminated. A stereo delay may be used to time-align
the soundboard feed to the arrival time of the sound at the audience
pair, so you may place the stereo pair a little further back, nearer
the sweet spot of the room. This is what the Grateful Dead's
engineer Dan Healy did in order to create his so-called Ultra-Mix.
Delayed board feed + high quality ambient stereo pair = Ultra!
If the room is very small, the difference in arrival times without
using a delay will not be too bad, but as the size of the room
increases you will hear it more. Placing the ambient mics on or
close to the stage can reduce the smear without resorting to
additional hardware. There are several possibilities for on-stage
and near-stage placement. You can use a single point setup located
stage center and aimed either at the instruments or the crowd, or you
could split the mics one per side and aim them out at the audience to
capture crowd and room sound.
I suppose you could bypass the need for the delay unit by recording
the 4 channels discretely, using a laptop or multitrack for instance
(analog 4 track reel-to-reel?). When you transfer the tracks to a
workstation, you could slide the audience signal forward in time to
match the signal of the board feed without resorting to an outboard
delay unit. This would, of course, require the use of a workstation,
but you can get a mac or PC together that will do the job, and the
cost continues to get more reasonable.
Map Them Bits, Man!!!
-tom
sean said:
>What I want to do is something like this:
> KM140>\
> > Mackie> SBM1> DAT
> SBD>/
>Would this work? Any better suggestions, given the limitations of
>$$$? If anyone could offer some tips, I'd greatly appreciate it!
>I've never done it before (matrix) and would really like to get it
>right the first time, I unfortunately don't have time to practice at
>a show.
>Does this make sense/will it work (with good results)? I could put
>a V2 into the mix but I don't know where the best position would be
>(if there is one)? Are there any better options (without spending a
>fortune)
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From: "Chris Rees" <boilerman@provide.net>
Subject: aimee mann grovel post
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:56:25 -0500
hello good people...my 2nd 'grovel post' in a month..1st one turned up 2
things..jack & sh*#......hopefully this one is more on target. im looking
for a very specific aimee mann gig from Nov. 15, 1993 in NYC, at the beacon
if i remember correctly. my beloved XTC was represented big time at the
gig. dave gregory was the touring guitarist and andy partridge sat in on a
dukes of stratosphear cover. please help if you can. i prefer DAT but CDR
is way OK.
senses working overtime
cr
milan mi
BWT: XTC Emerald City, Cherry Hill NJ 4.17.81 gen1 FM analog>my DAT.
1st DAT b&p only.
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From: "chris castino" <southernenergy02@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS : SONY TCD-D8 MINT
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:23:29 +0000
I want to sell D8I bought this at last year.
All condition is perfect.and I never used at outdoor.
( Only used in my no smorking room)
Please give mail me
SONY TCD-D8 -375$
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From: Charles <cvm900@yahoo.com>
Subject: Got Canyon?
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:18:07 -0800 (PST)
Looking for shows of the band Canyon from the east
coast, NY/New Jersey area I think. Very impressed by
their studio CD and I'd really like to hear them live.
Have lots to trade. Thanks!
Charles
From: "Chris Black" <chris_melas01@hotmail.com>
Subject: skb2002-08-10 Taste Test Logins!
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:46:34 -0500
Hey Folks,
Sorry for the crosspost. Trying to reach consensus on the best source for
this night. For the sake of comparison I've put on my server the same song
from each of the four stage sources. There's also a .txt file explaining
how to report your choice for favorite source to me. I encourage comments
as well as a vote. Thanks in advance for your participation. Here's the
login info:
Server: kwaves.myftp.org
User: fallschurch
Pass: tastetest
All the Best,
Chris in DC
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From: "Mike BB" <mike@oongowa.com>
Subject: Re: Why nomad Jukebox 3 is probably as bad as the 1
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:20:52 -0500
Funny you should say that, as I just returned from seeing the Tony Trischka
Band and had a successful (it seems) NJB3 recording. This was the first time
that I was able to test my new gear (oktava mc-012->UA5->NJB3) in the
"field" and so far, it sounds great! Concerning battery life, I only use one
battery and have recorded for over 3 hours (testing at home), tonight's set
was about 1.5 hours. The NJb3 has a spot for a second battery so you could
easily run it for 6+ hours. Before the recent firmware upgrade my home tests
have turned out good about 50% of the time, since then I've had nothing but
100% success. I don't know...?...I think I'm pretty much sold on the deal.
It may not be a DAT replacement at this point but I think that it could
definitely give it a run for the money. Maybe I just lucky tonight? I'll be
taping more over the next month to find out and I'll be sure to post my
results here.
Rock on...
Mike BB
From: Myrmika@aol.com
<<<Subject: Why nomad Jukebox 3 is probably as bad as the 1
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:45:21 EST
i read on a 2 jukebox users sites that maximum battery life for recording
with the original NJB was 13-20 minutes maximum, so that 30 minutes of
recording will be anyones max on a Jukebox recorder original.
I suspect that the NJB3 is similarly appalling, and that at best 45 minutes
of encoding is possible... obviously the chips and the HDD write function
drain batteries dry...
did someone already know this?
are there any other HD jukebox type ripoffs that might also one day replace
the dat. shame some DIY guys didnt manage to make an upstart Jukebox sampler
box, it's been begging for it ever since the rio!
Thx
Ant>>>
From: "Onno J.R. Bakker" <onnosr@bakker.info>
Subject: ISO: SBM-1
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:45:57 +0100
Hi All
Has somebody in westeren Europe a SBM-1 for sale ???
Eventually in the States. A friend of mine in N-Y can pick it up en bring it
to the Netherlands.
onnosr@bakker.info
Onno
From: Keith <kmax63@yahoo.com>
Subject: D7 Repair
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:40:25 -0800 (PST)
Ok after thorough drying my submerged d7 powers up but
acts spastic. It keeps trying to load and doesn't
quite get there. What is the deal with Sony Service
and repairing these units? I know they have a flat
rate option, but would it apply in this situation? I
wouldn't be able to tell them what the problem was
exactly. This is the first problem I've had with this
8 yr. old unit and I would appreciate it if someone
could tell me the repair procedure. Thanks.
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From: "Brad Wiseman" <wiseman@redhawkaig.com>
Subject: Re: Why nomad Jukebox 3 is probably as bad as the 1
Reply-To: <wiseman@redhawkaig.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:15:27 -0500
Actually, the Jukebox 3 seems to be good for about 5 hours with the addition of an extra battery pack. (I'm assuming that you would be running new, fully charged battery packs.) The Jukebox 3 has two slots for rechargeable Li-ion battery packs and only one battery comes with it. I recorded 3 hours of show and transferred 2 hours of that to my computer before the batteries died. The Jukebox 3 also has a DC input jack that could be used to apply power from an external pack. It wants 5 V on that external power port. Power coming into that port will recharge the Li-ion battery packs until they are full and also supply operating power to the Jukebox 3. Once the Li-ion battery packs are full, the required amount of externally applied power drops off since the charging circuits are no longer active. I have not measured the current drawn into the external power port, so I can't make recommendations on how large an external battery pack would be required, but it certainly seem!
s feasible to me that you could use an external pack to cover festivals. It would also be easy to carry extra battery packs to swap out every 3 or 4 hours if you don't like the idea of an external pack. There is no accessory charger, so you would need to use your Jukebox 3 to charge the extra packs ahead of time. It takes about 8 hours to charge a pair of batteries.
Regards,
Brad Wiseman
>From: Myrmika@aol.com
>Subject: Why nomad Jukebox 3 is probably as bad as the 1
>Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:45:21 EST
>
>i read on a 2 jukebox users sites that maximum battery life for recording
>with the original NJB was 13-20 minutes maximum, so that 30 minutes of
>recording will be anyones max on a Jukebox recorder original.
>
>I suspect that the NJB3 is similarly appalling, and that at best 45 minutes
>of encoding is possible... obviously the chips and the HDD write function
>drain batteries dry...
>
>did someone already know this?
>
>are there any other HD jukebox type ripoffs that might also one day replace
>the dat. shame some DIY guys didnt manage to make an upstart Jukebox sampler
>box, it's been begging for it ever since the rio!
>
>Thx
>
>Ant
From: "Bas Ruesink" <basruesink@hotmail.com>
Subject: Looking for UK Radio taper this sunday
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:01:48 +0100
"The Bradford community radio station BCB will be broadcasting a special
edition of its rock show Bradford Beat on Sunday, February 2 dedicated to
Justin Sullivan's new solo album.
There's an exclusive interview with Justin about what inspired the album and
we'll also be playing as many tracks from it as we can squeeze into the hour
Tune in from 7pm to 8pm to BCB on 96.7FM in Bradford or listen online at
www.bcb.yorks.com
You can hear a repeat of the show on Thursday, February 6 from 8pm to 9pm"
Can someone please record this for me, contact offlist please. plenty stuff
in return (incl. masters)
bas
"It was a century of answers and all of them have been wrong."
List at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/1620
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From: cook@eklektix.com
Subject: spd/if noise
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:12:42 -0700
I recently built a simple spd/if transformer isolated input for
an el-cheapo CMI 8732 based spd/if sound card ($14). The setup allows
me to connect a DAT drive's coaxial input to a computer for
bit-for-bit perfect digital copies on a Linux computer with the ALSA
sound driver. I only have spd/if going into the card at this point,
when I get the spd/if output running, I'll put the schematic up on the web.
In the process of getting this running, I discovered an interesting
phenomenon, spd/if data errors. Using a too-long low quality RG59
video cable, I noticed that I was getting audible distortion on
the right channel. The distortion consisted of clicking sounds that
only happened on loud passages. Fortunately, I discovered this problem
before I had spent loads of time copying DATs to the hard drive.
Interestingly, there was more distortion when listening to a 48K DAT compared
to a 44.1K DAT. This isn't too surprising as the cable would act
like a low pass filter and attenuate 48K data more than 44.1K data.
Further playing with this, I connected a 200 ohm trimmer potentiometer
across the spd/if line and noticed that I could introduce the same errors
by dropping the resistance and reducing the spd/if signal levels.
In any case, if you notice weird popping sounds on your downstream
spd/if devices, consider using a shorter cable. I imagine that a dirty
optical connector would have a similar effect, I have not tried any optical
cable tests yet.
Forrest Cook cook@lwn.net
http://eklektix.com/gfc/ WB0RIO
From: "Steve Smith" <whoisstevekimock@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS: Sony D3 Owner's Manual
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:24:37 -0500
I just put it up on eBay (3004924244).
From: Michael Frasca <frasca@uic.edu>
Subject: RE: Why nomad Jukebox 3 is probably as bad as the 1
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:17:56 -0600
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 Myrmika@aol.com said:
>i read on a 2 jukebox users sites that maximum battery life for recording
>with the original NJB was 13-20 minutes maximum, so that 30 minutes of
>recording will be anyones max on a Jukebox recorder original.
>
>I suspect that the NJB3 is similarly appalling, and that at best 45 minutes
>of encoding is possible
Not true. With my set-up of mics->SBM-1->optical cable->Jukebox 3,
I have found that I can record for about 3.5 hours with one battery
and at least 6 hours with two batteries loaded.
Last night, I recorded almost 4 hours of garaj mahal and
Umphrey's Mcgee, and the battery indicator had only
clicked down one notch.
Michael Frasca <frasca@uic.edu>
Counting Stars by Candlelight....
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