DAT-heads Digest #635
Contents:
Re: Interconnects (Eugene Hu)
Weekly Download and Contest ("Marc Nutter")
line-in ? ("Dyson, Dana")
FS: DPA 4061's ("Richmond Mike")
Audioslave? (s0cref)
Re: Dish > D8 (mitchell@hibbs.com)
WANTED: bob marley roxy LA, CA 26-may-1976 pre-broadcast source ("John R. Vanderpool")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #634 - 2 ALD Boxes......Assisted Listening (Barry Welch)
Gucci cables ("Marc Nutter")
DATs for blanks are gone (Robbie Dunn)
ISO Drivin' N' Cryin' & Sheryl Crow (Eddie Woodward)
royston langdon / spacehog tapers? (pwking)
B&P and trade offer: Beck/Zep 7/6/69 & Zep 1/26/69 complete (JPollQs@aol.com)
UK DFM/DSAT/TV sources For Trade ("Wayne Ellis")
Tascam CD-RW 700 ("Rick Rombak")
spd/if noise ("Philip")
From: Eugene Hu <eugene@overture.com>
Subject: Re: Interconnects
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:43:12 -0800
> Hello,
>
> I know for best SPDIF signal transmission a good 75 ohm Coax cable with
> good 75 ohm connectors is ideal. Canare has some excellent 75 ohm Coax
> cables/connectors available for reasonable prices. My question is do
> digital Coax cables make good:
>
> 1. analog interconnects?
> 2. sub woofer interconnects (longer)?
>
> Or does the coax cable cause some kind of filtering, etc, that make them
> not preferred for analog signals?
>
> Thanks,
> Alan
I use LV-61 for both digital and analog interconnects; I figure the
low capacitance is a good thing for analog. The only exception I
can think of is phono where you might need a little more cable
capacitance to load the cartridge correctly. You may want to lace
each pair together so it's easier to keep track of that rat's nest
behind the stereo.
-Eugene
From: "Marc Nutter" <nutter@sonicsense.com>
Subject: Weekly Download and Contest
Reply-To: <nutter@sonicsense.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:18:27 -0700
Hi All,
This week's download promises to be some fun.
Check out the details about the show and contest to win an embroidered
Neumann polo shirt.
Widespread Panic--Bonnaroo 6/22/02
DPA 4015>V2>2K>Picturebook with a splice from Mark Lynn's 4011>V2>2K
Full info. at
http://207.36.59.179/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=announce;action=display
;num=1044473397
Have Fun!!!
Marc
Marc Nutter
Sonic Sense, Inc.
(303) 753-0201 or Toll-Free (877) 324-4463
2755 S. Gilpin St.
Denver, CO 80210
http://www.sonicsense.com
nutter@sonicsense.com
From: "Dyson, Dana" <DysonDX@state.gov>
Subject: line-in ?
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:20:55 -0500
Greeting Dateheads,
I know this has been addressed time after time so take it easy please on the
flames!
Is the best way to avoid brickwalling with the Sony d8 is to go through the
line in? If so then a power source is needed correct? Or should I just use
a attenuator cable with the mics and use the mic in? best regards dxd
If any one has mastered the skill of removing a whole lotta bass . Shoot
me an email. I have a Eryka Badu live @ dreams on Jan, 31,
2003.(d8>at899>field I only ask in return is that once you get rid of the
"bass" could you Please give me a copy in a cd or dat format. best regards
dxd
There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so
important, as living within your means... -Calvin Coolidge.
From: "Richmond Mike" <keepongrowin@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS: DPA 4061's
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 16:03:06 -0500
Got a pair to sell. Asking $500 or best offer.
Any questions, please ask.
Thanks!
-Mike
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From: s0cref <jgreen11@umbc.edu>
Subject: Audioslave?
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:18:04 -0500
Did anyone tape either of these Audioslave shows?
01.24.03 - Columbiahalle - Berlin, Germany
01.30.03 - Zepp - Tokyo, Japan
If so please get in touch!
Thanks,
Justin
From: mitchell@hibbs.com
Subject: Re: Dish > D8
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:39:37 -0800 (PST)
If you were to get a Dish PVR, you can record to the internal harddrive and use
a Linux box to retrieve the info off of the drive. You could than manipulate it
on the computer as you wish (and perhaps strip the category codes). Seems
possible. US Robotics (I believe) also makes a wireless analog
transmitter...designed to let you play music off of your computer (ex MP3s)
through your stereo w/out them being in the same room. I have heard it works
quite well. You might be able to use it in reverse and essentially do dish>USR
wireless>hdd
mitch
From: "John R. Vanderpool" <fish@daacdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: WANTED: bob marley roxy LA, CA 26-may-1976 pre-broadcast source
Reply-To: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 18:24:21 -0500 (EST)
was going thru some old cassettes of mine last weekend and found a copy
of this that was pretty crusty, then later found another that was
pretty crisp but i've seen pre-FMs of this listed before so would
rather go that route than digitizing my cassette.
does a really crunchy medley toward the end!!!:
get up, stand up >
no more trouble >
war >
no more trouble >
get up, stand up
have seen listed as some different dates but its the only roxy '76 show
have lots to trade....
--
thanx,
fish
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"and its good old country comforts in my bones,
just the sweetest sound my ears have ever known;
just an old fashioned feeling in my bones,
country comforts and the road that's leading home..."
From: Barry Welch <barryw@io.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #634 - 2 ALD Boxes......Assisted Listening
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:31:19 -0600
Aren't these usually mono devices?? I tried one once at a local theater here
and was having trouble getting it hooked up to my deck, (for a John Prine show)
and as a result of my extra light activity, I ended up getting busted
by an usher and
had to take my deck back to the car...Got a great recording the next
night though
with my Sonic Studios DSM-6 mics... I'm also curious as to the specs
(freq. resp,
s/n ratio, etc.) I suppose you could use a Y-cable to convert the
mono signal to
a stereo to feed a DAT, providing the signal quality was worth it.
B
At 1:50 PM -0500 02/05/03, Digestifier wrote:
>
>From: datfly@gate.net
>Subject: FS: 2 ALD Boxes......Assisted Lisgtening Device
>Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:39:20 -0500 (EST)
>
>Here is your chance to own a ALD (Assisted Listening Device) Receiver
>Box.
>
>This one is the most sought after version. It can tune into any of the
>known ALD frequencies used in venues throughout the country. Just simply
>turn the dial on top of the box until you hit the active frequency !!
>e-Bay Item # 3309599255
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D2296&item=3D3309
>
and BTW I get this on this link:
Invalid Item
The item you requested ( 3D3309 ) is invalid, still pending, or no
longer in our database. Please check the number and try again. If
this message persists, the item has either not started and is not yet
available for viewing, or has expired and is no longer available.
I think you chopped the item number off....
>
>This box is pre-set to the most commonly used frequency 72.9
>e-Bay Item # 3309598209
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D2296&item=3D3309
>
>
>So if you are hearing impaired here is your chance to hear what you have
>been missing.
>
>I have used these from Florida to Seattle & have great success.
>They have worked in Theaters,Arenas & Stadiums !!
>
>Good Luck
From: "Marc Nutter" <nutter@sonicsense.com>
Subject: Gucci cables
Reply-To: <nutter@sonicsense.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:59:59 -0700
Hi Klay (and All),
>> If you're anal about the resistance, there are cable manufacturers
(Audio
>> Magic is one) that sell AES/EBU XLR to S/PDIF RCA resistance
converting
>> cables.
Fantastic post. Much appreciated...
...until that last little line ; )
>It is not resistance and a simply made cable by whatever Gucci-brand
>overpriced cable-monger will not transform impedance. Properly wired
>"adaptor cables" can certainly be used to change one connector type to
>another, but a transformer (or in this case, a pulse transformer) is
the
>only correct way to passively change impedance.
I am well aware to the arguments about all kinds of cables and certainly
respect the skepticism many hold for high-dollar designer cables.
Nonetheless, I believe I have heard a difference. It's just not a
battle I chose to entertain anymore. For those interested in trying out
exotic cables, we have them and we offer a 45-day satisfaction
guarantee.
In support of Audio Magic, they are building xlr>rca cables utilizing
the resistor network recommended by Benchmark Media for use with the
AD2K AES/EBU output. I'm not convinced that the resistors make a major
difference, but they are adhering to a design spec presented by a
respected analog-to-digital converter manufacturer.
Peace : )
Marc
Marc Nutter
Sonic Sense, Inc.
(303) 753-0201 or Toll-Free (877) 324-4463
2755 S. Gilpin St.
Denver, CO 80210
http://www.sonicsense.com
nutter@sonicsense.com
From: Robbie Dunn <goheels@mindspring.com>
Subject: DATs for blanks are gone
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 19:02:55 -0500
SSIA.... got lots of folks wanting the tapes, and they're gone.... more to
come soon.
RD
From: Eddie Woodward <EWoodward@lva.lib.va.us>
Subject: ISO Drivin' N' Cryin' & Sheryl Crow
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:30:42 -0500
Hi. I am sorry to trouble the list. I am looking for Drivin' N' Cryin' &
Sheryl Crow on CD-R. (Did anyone tape her Sunday show?) I have plenty to
trade. Thanks.
Eddie
From: pwking <sleepypedro@yahoo.com>
Subject: royston langdon / spacehog tapers?
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 05:42:44 -0800 (PST)
howdy y'all
pleasant surprise -- royston langdon, formerly of the
band spacehog, opened up for todd rundgren on his
recent jaunt through the US. a solo performance!
i got a nice grab of the set in annapolis. did anyone
else? would love to trade masters.
mine's dpa4061 > d8 @ 48k.
cheers
peter
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From: JPollQs@aol.com
Subject: B&P and trade offer: Beck/Zep 7/6/69 & Zep 1/26/69 complete
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:12:56 EST
A few classic 1969 audience recordings recently transfered from 2nd gen=20
reels. These have circulated on various bootlegs for many years but these ne=
w=20
transfers are an improvement in quality and ferocious performances. The 196=
9=20
Newport Jazz Festival Beck and Zep sets are from the one and only year they=20
allowed rock bands to play the festival.=20
Looking for more of the same era, but have a wide variety of interests=20
including vintage Dead/Garcia/1960s San Francisco and UK bands and the like.=
=20
Will take a B&P from each list I'm posting to and as many trades as I can=20
handle. B&P winners will be notified. Please include a trade list or link t=
o=20
it if interested in trading.
Stu
CD1:
Jeff Beck Group
July 6, 1969
16th Annual Newport Jazz Festival, Newport, RI
Audience Reel Master->RR2@3.75ips->DAT->CD
Rod Stewart - vocals
Jeff Beck - guitar
Ron Wood - bass
Tony Newman - drums
01 I Ain=E2=80=99t Superstitious (3:37)
02 You Shook Me (2:45)
03 Plynth (4:22)
04 Rice Pudding (7:09)
05 The Sun Is Shining (4:29)
06 Rock My Plimsoul (5:55)
07 Shapes Of Things (4:55)
08 Jeff=E2=80=99s Boogie (3:52)
CD2:
Led Zeppelin
July 6, 1969
16th Annual Newport Jazz Festival, Newport, RI
Audience Reel Master>RR2@3.75ips>DAT>CD
Robert Plant - vocals, harmonica
Jimmy Page - guitar
John Paul Jones - bass
John Bonham - drums
01 Train Kept a Rollin (3:01)
02 Dazed And Confused (6:36)
03 I Can=E2=80=99t Quit You (13:38)
04 You Shook Me (11:38)
05 How Many More Times (15:15)
06 Communications Breakdown (4:40)
***********************************************************
Led Zeppelin
January 26, 1969 (complete)
The Tea Party, Boston, MA
Audience Reel Master>RR2@3.75ips>DAT>CD
Robert Plant - vocals, harmonica
Jimmy Page - guitar
John Paul Jones - bass
John Bonham - drums
CD1:
01 Train Kept A Rollin (3:11)
02 I Can=E2=80=99t Quit You (5:15)
03 Killing Floor (6:26)
04 Dazed And Confused (12:15)
05 You Shook Me (12:25)
06 Communication Breakdown (4:19)
CD2:
01 White Summer/Black Mountain Side (9:26)
02 Babe I=E2=80=99m Gonna Leave You (7:33)
03 Pat=E2=80=99s Delight (14:57)
04 How Many More Times (15:29)
From: "Wayne Ellis" <we1@jennic.com>
Subject: UK DFM/DSAT/TV sources For Trade
Reply-To: <we1@jennic.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:31:37 -0000
Hi,
I have a fair bit of DFM/DSAT/TV source material sat on my
HD at the moment, including:
White Stripes 08/11/01 the infamous 'Peel Acres' broadcast
the strokes 24/02/02 The Academy, Birmingham
Ladytron 06/12/02 BBC Maida Vale Studios, London
Moby a collection of 2002 radio and TV (NICAM
Aud)appearances
Robyn Hitchcock & Softboys a collection of 2001/2 UK radio appearances
U2 06/12/82 Hammersmith Palais, London
Supergrass 30/09/02 BBC Maida Vale Studios UK + interview
Robert Plant 22/06/02 Maida Vale Studios, London, UK + R2
interview
Morrissey 26/02/95 Drury Lane Theater, London, UK
(complete upto encores)
These are all either b'cast->HD or b'cast->DAT(M)->HD sources,
and are all nominally 50-60mins in duration, and is all non DAE
extracted cdr source - looking to trade with other EAC using, clone
counting obsessive weirdos, can do SHN/FLAC as well.
thanks
Wayne
From: "Rick Rombak" <rick@knightbarry.com>
Subject: Tascam CD-RW 700
Reply-To: <rick@knightbarry.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:02:36 -0600
Hello again,
I had a sale of my Tascam CD-RW 700 fall through, so I am going to offer it
up again.
It's 2 years old, with very little use. Probably less than 100 hours record
and playback!
I have the manual, remote and original box. It is in perfect working
condition, and I've never had a problem with it.
No scratches of dings. I will sell it for $300, shipped via UPS next day.
Fully insured. Please e-mail me
if interested.
Rick
From: "Philip" <philip.murphy@upplandsvasby.mail.telia.com>
Subject: spd/if noise
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:12:03 +0100
> From: cook@eklektix.com
> Subject: spd/if noise
<snip>
> In the process of getting this running, I discovered an interesting
> phenomenon, spd/if data errors. Using a too-long low quality RG59
> video cable, I noticed that I was getting audible distortion on
> the right channel. The distortion consisted of clicking sounds that
> only happened on loud passages. Fortunately, I discovered this =
problem
> before I had spent loads of time copying DATs to the hard drive.
>=20
> Interestingly, there was more distortion when listening to a 48K DAT =
compared
> to a 44.1K DAT. This isn't too surprising as the cable would act
> like a low pass filter and attenuate 48K data more than 44.1K data.
Hi,
Did you match the cable impedance with a 75 Ohm load at the receiver? A =
10m run of RG59 should have less than 3dB attenuation at 500MHz so I =
doubt the cable is causing the difference between 44.1kHz and 48kHz =
(which correspond to frequencies around 4MHz, albeit with a lot of =
harmonics if decent signal integrity is to be maintained).
> Further playing with this, I connected a 200 ohm trimmer potentiometer
> across the spd/if line and noticed that I could introduce the same =
errors
> by dropping the resistance and reducing the spd/if signal levels.
Adding a potentiometer will obviously affect transmission because =
matching will be worsened and reflections will cause overshoot and =
undershoot at the receiver. The trimmer will also affect the amplitude =
of the signal launched onto the cable at the transmitter end (500mV is =
the S/P-DIF requirement). Cable length is another factor in this =
equation - reflections will get worse with longer cables.
Some S/P-DIF receivers (I believe the CMI 8732 is one of these) are =
sensitive to the rise/fall time of the received signal - if it's not =
fast enough they misinterpret bits and you get "noise". One way to =
combat this is to add an amplifier (usually a CMOS logic gate) at the =
receiver but correct matching is (as always) essential.
Some S/P-DIF transmitters produce very low rise-time signals (for =
example my stationary Pioneer DAT) which some receivers have difficulty =
with.
I don't how what transformer you used but it is possible to build your =
own low-cost transformer using a Philips ferrite toroid and some =
insulated wire - if anyone wants details I can dig them out.
Philip
=20
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