DAT-heads Digest #693
Contents:
few shows available ("Rich Vining")
FS: Metric Halo Mobile I/O (Matthew DeNardo)
Re: Brickwalling - 0dB vs 20dB (Jeff Lester)
Re: Brickwalling - 0dB vs 20dB (Romain Kang)
Dats for Sale ("Aman and Stacy Sokhi")
FS - another TASCAM DA-30II (Rich Mays)
FS - another TASCAM DA-30II (Rich Mays)
RE: Brickwalling - 0dB vs 20dB (Rockcat)
Re: DAT-heads Digest #692 (Bob Cain)
ISO Nazareth from the early 80's (Tim Lowery)
Re: Flaming Lips taping policy? (rappard@dds.nl)
ROSANNE CASH shows wanted ("Cap Spaulding")
Joe Jackson/Mary Lee's Corvette (taping request) (emily)
Philadelphia area help request (roy dripps)
ISO : Dylan (Dave-fortyacrerock)
ISO : Dylan 8-25-01 (Dave-fortyacrerock)
Bettie Serveert on WFMU 4/7 8p! ("Andy Liu")
joshua redman taping (randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU)
FS: Hucht SCMS stripper (koltovphili@earthlink.net)
Re: Brickwalling - 0dB vs 20dB ("Slipkid")
ISO: P&F 2001 video (casey coniff)
From: "Rich Vining" <rvining@emory.edu>
Subject: few shows available
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:11:33 -0500
I've got a few shows available for blanks and postage:
Frank Zappa 2-15-78 Berlin (90m) AUD
Frank Zappa 3-11-73 Arlington, TX (90m) AUD
Pavement 10-14-99 St. Louis (60m) SP/AT183 > M1
Also, if anybody has any Jump, Little Children shows they've taped over the
years please let me know. I'm trying to gather as much of their stuff as
possible so I can ultimately upload it to the etree archive. Thanks.
- R
======================================================================
Richard Vining
rvining@emory.edu
From: Matthew DeNardo <matt_denardo@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: Metric Halo Mobile I/O
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:18:08 -0800 (PST)
I'm selling my Metric Halo Mobile I/O 2882 non-DSP
version. It is in perfect condition, and has only been
to about 10-15 shows. I am selling it because the unit
is overkill for what I do. It is ideal for anyone who
does multi-mic mixes, pulls mic + board, or uses
multiple inputs and outputs. It offers 8 analog inputs
and outputs, all with phantom, AES/SPDIF and ADAT
digital in/outs and runs on a 12V battery. That said,
I have been using it mostly as a two-channel unit,
with a few multi-mic mixes and live sound
reinforcement gigs covered. Read more at
http://www.mhlabs.com/mobileio/mio_description.html
First person to offer $1150 USD gets it, otherwise
email me with competitive offers. I will cover
shipping and insurance in the continental US. It will
ship in the original box with accessories and power
supply.
Please email me with questions and offers. For an mp3
sample, please visit:
http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~mdenardo/gravedigger.html
Thank you,
-Matt
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From: Jeff Lester <lester@trex.sp.trw.com>
Subject: Re: Brickwalling - 0dB vs 20dB
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:31:01 -0800 (PST)
Neal Copperman <neal@swcp.com> asked:
>Question: When I bought my DAT, it was suggested that I record at
>0dB in most settings and only switch to 20dB if the volume was really
>loud.
Suggested by the manual, or someone else? It's poor advice. If the volume
is really loud you would want to switch to line-in. What mic and DAT
deck are you using? If it's a D7 or D8 it is more likely to brickwall
than other DAT decks. It is also very dependent on the mic, if the mic
is sensitive (puts out a higher voltage for a given loudness) it is
more likely to brickwall.
>That it was better to be at 0dB with relatively low recording
>settings rather then at 20dB with very high settings. I'm starting
>to believe this isn't true. Is there any reason I shouldn't just
>always record at 20dB? What do other Datheads do?
Most DAT-heads don't record anything that quiet. :-) But the only reason
you would ever want to record anything on the 0 dB setting is if you have
the record knob to 10 and still can't get good levels at the -20 dB setting.
The rule of thumb on brickwalling is the record knob setting of 4. If you
are setting you record knob lower than 4, you have the potential to brickwall.
Assuming good levels, ie. if you set the level knob to 3 and your peaks are
only hitting -30 dB, you're probably not brickwalling. But if you have to
lower your level below 4 in order to keep from hitting 0 dB on the meter,
you are likely brickwalling.
-Jeff Lester
From: Romain Kang <romain@kzsu.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Brickwalling - 0dB vs 20dB
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:33:20 -0800
I've most often encountered brickwalling when recording deep bass
-- not the thumpity-thump variety, which is often simply a kick in
the 100 Hz range, but pipe organ pedals in the 16-30 Hz range.
If I remember correctly, brickwalling occurs because as amplitude
increases, low frequencies tend to require more current, while high
frequencies tend to require more voltage. And in portables, current
is harder to source than voltage.
I don't know what you're recording or your test environment, but
this low bass may not be present when you test with your home stereo.
Also, many (most?) commercial recordings roll off the low frequencies
because there's often a lot of undesirable grunge in that region
of the sonic spectrum.
> My usual recording environment is a good 15 feet away recording
> unamplified acoustic music and occasionally amplified but not loud
> music. To my ears, the sound of those shows is nowhere near as loud
> as I had to turn up my stereo to get brickwalling from very nearby
> (and no brickwalling from a modest distance).
True LF is often more tactile than "loud", so that could be a
possible explanation. Or perhaps brickwalling per se isn't the
problem you're encountering. Let more experienced tapers listen
to one of your recordings and see what they think.
> Question: When I bought my DAT, it was suggested that I record at
> 0dB in most settings and only switch to 20dB if the volume was really
> loud. That it was better to be at 0dB with relatively low recording
> settings rather then at 20dB with very high settings. I'm starting
> to believe this isn't true. Is there any reason I shouldn't just
> always record at 20dB? What do other Datheads do?
It depends on what I'm recording. For most acoustic recording, I
use the 0dB setting. If there's deep bass (e.g., a pipe organ)
-20dB is safer.
Some people suggest always using the Line In, but for softer sounds,
that means you could be getting more noise from your preamp. I
don't go to loud clubs or the like, so for the stuff I record, I've
never needed to use Line In to get a clean recording.
Romain Kang Disclaimer: I speak for myself alone,
romain@kzsu.stanford.edu except when indicated otherwise.
From: "Aman and Stacy Sokhi" <Sokhi2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Dats for Sale
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:42:11 -0500
Once again - Folks, I've got another batch of Dats available as I continue
the task of
archiving to CD. Same deal, $2 each dat plus $4.00 shipping. ($50 total)
E-mail if
interested. Source info is located at http://www.angelfire.com/pa5/aslist/
Phish Dead Tony Trishka
7-16-94 2-26-77 10-10/10-14-97
10-5-00 10-29-77
10-6-00 10-27-91 Craig Thatcher Band
9-26-99 4-12-97
10-4-00 moe.
9-15-00 6-12-98
7-22-97 5-5-96 (2 dats)
2-26-97 Dave Matthews
11-2-96 12-2/12-3-94
10-31-96 (2 dats)
12-1-95 McLaughlin, Dimeola,
Delucia
8-20-93 11-20-96
Aman Sokhi
Sokhi2@earthlink.net
From: Rich Mays <richmays@comcast.net>
Subject: FS - another TASCAM DA-30II
Reply-to: richmays@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:42:25 -0500
Medium hours, second owner, no remote, copy of manual, original box,
recent new belts and pinch roller. Excellent cosmetics, and everything
works great!
--
Rich Mays
Sonare Recordings
<http://www.sonarerecordings.com>
From: Rich Mays <richmays@comcast.net>
Subject: FS - another TASCAM DA-30II
Reply-to: richmays@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:44:01 -0500
Medium hours, second owner, no remote, copy of manual, original box,
recent new belts and pinch roller. Excellent cosmetics, and everything
works great!
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3278&item=2519346207&rd=1>
--
Rich Mays
Sonare Recordings
<http://www.sonarerecordings.com>
From: Rockcat <rockcat@bigplanet.com>
Subject: RE: Brickwalling - 0dB vs 20dB
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:02:48 -0500
Neal -- You didn't say which recorder you are using, but it has been my
experience that the mic-preamp in most of the Sony, Denon, & Casio,
consumer, semi-pro, and even some of the pro models is pretty shitty.
Here is a good rule of thumb: You can keep your pad set to 0db IF your
record level knob is turned to "6" or higher, indicating that the spl
(sound pressure level) of your source is relatively low. If you need to
keep your record level knob at "5" or below, then you should switch the
pad to -20db. If you are still "brickwalling" with the pad at -20db,
then odds are that your mic cannot handle the spl (although this is not
likely to be the case given the types of sources you claim to be
recording).
Whoever told you that you should record with the pad set to 0db in most
settings was obviously unfamiliar with most portable DAT recorders. I've
recorded literally hundreds of shows and *maybe* I've set the pad to 0db
a grand total of 3 times (and I probably fried 2 of those recordings).
With the above suggestions, you should be able to have your levels peak
as close to 0db as possible, with no brickwalling and an excellent S/N
(signal to noise) ratio.
Paul K.
From: Bob Cain <arcane@arcanemethods.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #692
Reply-To: arcane@arcanemethods.com
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 19:08:55 -0800
Does a non-digest, real time version of this list exist. I really have looked
but can't find the info.
Thanks,
Bob
From: Tim Lowery <dattrek@comcast.net>
Subject: ISO Nazareth from the early 80's
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:53:10 -0600
Hey
I had a friend help me out on a car re[air and save me tons. He is a huge
Nazareth fan and i would like to pay him back. Have tons of stuff to trade
thanks
From: rappard@dds.nl
Subject: Re: Flaming Lips taping policy?
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:14:23 +0200 (CEST)
According to http://www.100megsfree4.com/mulberger/Policy.html (linked
from furthurnet) no taping is allowed, although the phrasing is rather
ambiguous - do they mean "not permitted at all" or "not at all permitted"?
Anyway, taped the 2003-03-10 show at the Melkweg in Amsterdam (fifteen
feet in front of board > GSB > JVC XM-R70) - good recording but noisy
audience (everyone was EXTREMELY into it, it was a fun show).
Regards,
Martin
http://www.rappard.dds.nl
http://www.downtothewell.com
From: "Cap Spaulding" <capspaulding@hotmail.com>
Subject: ROSANNE CASH shows wanted
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 03:01:31 -0800
looking for any recording I don't have listed.
http://www.tapetrader.com/Spaulding
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From: emily <mandaryn_lemon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Joe Jackson/Mary Lee's Corvette (taping request)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:30:13 -0800 (PST)
Hi. Is anyone planning on taping any of Joe Jackson's
shows on his current tour? If so, is there any chance
you could also tape Mary Lee's opening set?
Unfortunately I can't afford DAT equipment, so can
only trade CDRs (or do B&P or whatever), but would
love anyone who could get me a copy of any of her sets
in ANY format. I'd especially love to get the Chicago
show from March 30, since my cassette tape recording
of it came out pretty awful, with lots of loud
talking.
If you're planning to tape or have taped any of her
performances and are willing to share with me at any
point in the future (I will be very grateful, and do
anything in my power in return) drop me a line at
mandaryn_lemon@yahoo.com -- Thanks SO much! :)
e.
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From: roy dripps <manfunkel@yahoo.com>
Subject: Philadelphia area help request
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:32:26 -0800 (PST)
Can anyone tape Art Garfunkel singing "America The
Beautiful" during the broadcast of the Phillies home
opener Friday (tomorrow) afternoon, April 4? The game
starts at 1:30 pm Eastern. Even a recording off of AM
radio will be welcome. I'm more than willing to send
blanks and postage to someone who can help me with
this.
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From: Dave-fortyacrerock <digitaldimar@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO : Dylan
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:56:53 -0800 (PST)
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Dave Pagliughi c/o Dave Dimartino
POB 4799
Crestline,Ca.92325
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From: Dave-fortyacrerock <digitaldimar@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO : Dylan 8-25-01
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:58:10 -0800 (PST)
...Antelope Valley Fair Lancaster Ca Lots to
Trade. Email me for my list
Thanks
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From: "Andy Liu" <dwonk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Bettie Serveert on WFMU 4/7 8p!
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:13:39 -0800
Can anyone tape this interview and studio session over there in NJ/NYC that
will be on WFMU? I got plenty to trade...
"Next monday the betties will appear on Scott Williams's show on
WFMU radio (April 7th, 8.00pm - 11.00pm). Besides an interview, they will
play 9 songs live in the studio"
1 B&P (1cd): Ok Go! 2-23-03 Easy Street Records, Seattle, WA (20 min)
Nakamichi CM-301>Sonosax SX-M2>SONY PCM-M1/R300>AP2496>SF>CDWave>mkwACT
ANDY
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From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU
Subject: joshua redman taping
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:47:13 -0800 (PST)
i've been to several JR shows where he's complained about getting bootlegged...
-rand0m
From: koltovphili@earthlink.net
Subject: FS: Hucht SCMS stripper
Reply-To: koltovPhili@earthlink.net
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:46:06 -0500 (EST)
for sale:
Hucht SCMS stripper with two optical cables. great condition, works perfectly. $100 plus $10 shipping.
Michael dolich
215-247-5727
From: "Slipkid" <slipkid@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: Brickwalling - 0dB vs 20dB
Reply-To: "Slipkid" <slipkid@voicenet.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:03:51 -0500
neal wrote:
> Question: When I bought my DAT, it was suggested that I record at
> 0dB in most settings and only switch to 20dB if the volume was really
> loud. That it was better to be at 0dB with relatively low recording
> settings rather then at 20dB with very high settings. I'm starting
> to believe this isn't true. Is there any reason I shouldn't just
> always record at 20dB? What do other Datheads do?
at any type of live rock show, i never use the 0dB setting (except by
mistake!); if i use "0dB" i get tons of distorted bass, even with the peak
levels within normal limits
with the "20dB" setting though everything sounds fine
as i understand it, this will vary depending on what mics you're using; my
mics require the "20dB" setting, and it sounds like yours might as well (?)
good luck!
- jon -
From: casey coniff <vttaper2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: P&F 2001 video
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:07:37 -0800 (PST)
I am looking for a video of Phil & Friends 2001 show.
My wife was crushed between the stage and the float
that brought Billy, Mickey and Bobby up to the stage.
She has had several major surgeries and has more to
come from this accident. Besides the surguries she has
lost 35lbs. due to an injury to her abdomen that
cannot be explained. We have a lawsuit going against
Clear Channel Entertainment and need to show what
happened as in the way they controled the crowd during
this float fiasco. All we need is the part with the
float coming thru the crowd up to the stage and the
float leaving the stage. We may be able to point out
my wife, at least we could show how inept at their
jobs they are. The boys were to fly in overhead as
usual at New Years but chickened out and they put the
float thing together on a moments notice, not the way
to run a New Years celebration. Any help with this
would be great, we have a mediation hearing May 27th
and need to prepare for it , thanks formthe Coniff family.
=====
Casey
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