DAT-heads Digest #700, Volume #6 Thu, 10 Apr 03 08:50:01 EDT Contents: Re: reading tapes with dat2wav that don't have ABS? (Mark Mayhle) just got some 480's couple questions..... (gordon wilson) video conversion ("Robert Gervais") re: reading tapes with dat2wav that don't have ABS? ("S Garrett Bastable") Re: almost there... ("Slipkid") sonic studios mics for sale (Rahul Krishnaswamy) Passing along a collection... (MVAIL70@aol.com) Gefell SMS2000/M21 rig for sale (Greg) RE: soundboard cables? (Glen E Peladeau) ISO: foo fighters 10/31/02 supper club ("vikas bhatia") MD ("DCA") Need David Via Taper in Boone,NC ("Mark Baldwin") Tapers still needed for the current Subhumans US tour ("Carl J. Santora") Anyone Taping RatDog at Pompano Beach? ("pam marki") FS: ARCHIVE Python 01931-XXX5.AC DDS ("Mike Zodun") Tour History - Zwan/The Smashing Pumpkins ("Fares Halteh") Italian Tapers Needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Jbg0402@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Mayhle Subject: Re: reading tapes with dat2wav that don't have ABS? Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:56:58 -0500 (CDT) On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, pwking wrote: > rewind the tape to the top, and simply record up until > the point the absolute time kicks in. obviously pay > close attention to the clock, because you're writing > over a potentially precious master at this point. > > once you've got A-Time on the tape, even one > bastardized after the fact like this, dat2wav will > read it just fine. I have used techniques like this and find occasionally that I still can't get dat2wav to work. It will read up to the point of the transition from my after-the-fact recording to where the original kicks in, and stop at that point. But on other tapes, Peter's method has worked fine for me. -- Mark Mayhle mark@mayhle.com ------------------------------ From: gordon wilson Subject: just got some 480's couple questions..... Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:33:21 -0700 (PDT) just got a pair of 480's with the ck1 and the ck3 caps. sorry for the dumb questions but I'm new to this (not new to DAT). on the 480 bodies should I have them set at 0db or -10db and what about the bass rolloff?? I will be running them into a AD1000 (for the pre and the ad). I will taping mostely club shows in town and hopefully a lot of panic and some phish etc. gonna test them out friday at umphreys. thanks for the bandwidth. Gordon __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Robert Gervais" Subject: video conversion Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:07:02 -0500 I recently bought a digital DV camcoder and shot Chris Duarte at Galveston's Mardi Gras. I also got a soundboard tape and would like to "synch" the SBD DAT sound to the video and perhaps put on DVD-R. Can anyone give me any pointers or advice as the best and easiest way to do this? I purchased an 24/96 audio card from Len at Core Sound to import the sound without re-sampling (thanks for this tip from fellow Dat-head Darryl Deyerle!). I would like to hear from anybody who may have gone down that road as to any pitfalls to avoid, what they think of software for making DVD-Rs, whether there is a way to mix the stereo sound from the video with the SBD sound so it doesnt sound too "dry", and stuff like that. Is there a newsgroup of forum for this? I would like to put other analog video on DVD-R in the future so one thing I might ask is advice on good capture cards. Unlike analog to digital audio conversion, where bit rate is important, I can't find any specs or info as to what makes a video conversion card better than another..... any help or ideas would be welcome! Bobby Gervais ------------------------------ From: "S Garrett Bastable" Subject: re: reading tapes with dat2wav that don't have ABS? Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:00:05 -0400 i just experienced this problem but didn't have the options everyone else had to resolve it... I ended up using the dat2wav program and coded in the following commands: dat2wav /dat2wav /inputid X:X /waveout (where the X is your id info) what happened was that MSDOS just keep searching till music played... as soon as i heard the track begin i gave it the command to stop: contrl C then i coded in the normal command: dat2wav /dat2wav dataud /inpudid X:X /startid /errorcorrect try that, see if it works? maybe im just lucky cause my A-time was only lost for the first 20 seconds or so... not a significant amount best, S. Garrett Bastable Senator, College of Commerce & Finance Villanova University '04 s.garrett.bastable@villanova.edu 315.263.3849 ------------------------------ From: "Slipkid" Subject: Re: almost there... Reply-To: "Slipkid" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:28:55 -0400 dan wrote: > Wondering if anyone can make a recommendation on what software to use to > transfer DAT from my Sony D7 to my hard drive via SB Live card with coax > digital input. > I'd like the transfer to be lossless or damn close, and I just have no > idea how to go about getting it done sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the first thing you need to do is to get a real DIO card to do the DAT transfers & avoid using the SB card for that task AFAIK all of the soundblasters/creative labs/audigy cards are designed more for gaming, watching movies on your PC, driving speakers, etc and are not a good choice for digitally transferring your beloved DATs for one thing, they do unwanted "resampling" of the digital source input & thus it is not possible to do a direct "bit for bit" copying with them if you want to keep your digital sources "pure", it is best to buy something like an M-audio or egosyswaveterminal card (i think they changed their name to ESI btw) more info can be found at these links: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/digests/V5.800/D874#Msg11 http://pc-musician.com/reviews/soundcards.html http://www.etree.org/faq_dat-cdr.html http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/jul99/articles/pcmusician.htm http://www.digitalexperience.com/cards.html http://www.pcrecording.com/ http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/ http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/digests/V5.800/D828#Msg7 http://www.3dsoundsurge.com/reviews/AudigyEI/Audigy-p3.html http://www.esi-pro.com/esi-pro/eng/product/wt_2496/wt2496.html http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=515&tem plate=audio http://home.earthlink.net/~rongonz/home_rec/soundcard.html http://www.nomad.ee/micros/digitalaudio.html http://www.rockpark.com/soundcards/ http://www.digit-life.com/articles/maudioaudiophile/ http://www.tracertek.com/studio1.htm http://www.harmony-central.com/Computer/#cards http://www.audioamigo.com/pcicards.html note that some of the info above may be outdated, but still useful reading when researching what to do sound-card wise if your final target for importing your DATs is to be CD-R, and the DATs are recorded at 44.1kHz sampling rate, then you won't need any "resampling" and should use a card that keeps things "steady" at that rate (unlike the SB card) if your DATs are recorded at 48kHz then they will need to be resampled to 44.1kHz, either by a DIO card that supports resampling in hardware which will do it for you on the fly during the transfer into your PC, or by software which can either operate on the fly or after the fact me personally, i use an el cheapo Ensoniq AudioPCI as the "system" sound card to drive my speakers etc, and an EGOSYSWAVETERMINAL2496 PCI DIO card to import my digital input from outside the PC the WAVETERMINAL2496 card has the ability to resample the input from 48kHz to 44.1kHz on the fly (or i can resample later in software if i chose to do it that way; i've tested both methods and i'm satisfied with the hardware conversion method, which is also easier/less time consuming for me to do) > I have Sound Forge and the software that came with the SB Live card. I > haven't explored their capabilities. soundforge will work for the simple process of importing the digital data & saving it to your harddrive i personally prefer to use COOLEDIT2000 for that task & the subsquent editing that i do http://www.syntrillium.com/cooledit/index.html you are about to embark on a fun but involved journey into technical things that you probably never heard of b4.....take you time, read over the links above, do some searching on the web, educate yourself, then jump in (but for best results do so without that SBLIVE card) hope this helps, - jon - ------------------------------ From: Rahul Krishnaswamy Subject: sonic studios mics for sale Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:55:22 -0700 (PDT) hi, i've got a pair of used sonic studios DSM-6 mics for sale. i'm also selling off the low cut adaptor (PA-6LC bass filter) that i bought at the same time. have had both for about 7 years, and used them to tape 70-75 shows. haven't been taping for the last year or so, so i don't really need them anymore. they are in excellent condition, and still work fine. bought it all for about $350, looking to get $150 or best offer. any questions, feel free to get in touch. thanks. -rahul __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: MVAIL70@aol.com Subject: Passing along a collection... Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:18:13 -0400 Question to fellow dat traders... I have been out of the circle for about five years but have a collection of 200 master bootlegs on Sony PDPs. I am looking to sell the tapes and a Sony PCM-500. What do people do regarding the selling of tapes, charge the price of the blank or is it less? All tapes have not been played more than once. Any help would be appreciated. Mvail70@aol.com. ------------------------------ From: Greg Subject: Gefell SMS2000/M21 rig for sale Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:49:30 -0400 They are the Microtech Gefells SMS2000/M21 caps hypers... with a Beyer MV100 and all related cables, mounts, etc. http://www.oade.com/microphones/microtechsms2000m21.html or my rig: http://www.tikcuf.com/rig Price wise, make me an offer my site shows everything that is available (caps, bodies, XLR cable, RCA cable, mounts, vertical "T" bar, etc)... see the site for pict and details. Serious offers only... and everything is ready to go ASAP. Thanks Greg ------------------------------ From: Glen E Peladeau Subject: RE: soundboard cables? Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:40:26 -0400 Martin, Most consumer recording gear runs on a -10 db signal. Pro Gear runs at a +4 Db level. Few live mixing boards may have an RCA (consumer -10 db) output which is what you need for your device. You can also purchase or build a db pad (attenuator) which will take the +4 out put down to a -10 db output. It's been a wlile since I built one but its just a matter of a a couple of resistors for each line. Please check your operating manual for that device regarding correct operating levels. You may even have a switch so that you can take the two different signals. Most likely you will need either; 1, A 1/4 '' (unbalanced) for the console output to a Db pad input ( 1/4 or xlr male). Db pad out (-10db) to your device. Please check your operating manual for that device regarding operating levels. 2, A female XLR (balanced) for the console output to a Db pad input ( 1/4 or xlr male). Same as above. 3, RCA out (If your lucky) to what ever your device requires. I may also ad that If your recording from the board understand that you not be recording what you hear. The FOH mixer increases the soft stage volumes and decreases the loud stage volumes. Alot of times you will get a recording that is very hot on the vocals and very low on guitars and bass. I am a pro FOH mixer as well as a Pro Live recording engineer just to let you know where your source of info is comming from. The best consumer recordings mostly come from the two mic scenario unless your in good with the monitor engineer and he sets you up with your own mix. But that would be real dry with no audience or live ambience and most likley mono. For your second qeustion I donot have that information you'll have to research it. Sincerely, Glen E Peladeau LILMS http://www.LikeitLiveMusic.com ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ From: "vikas bhatia" Subject: ISO: foo fighters 10/31/02 supper club Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:25:57 -0500 i got a crappy burn in a recent trade. looking for a clean replacement. lots to trade. thanks in advance. vikas@breakerfall.net ------------------------------ From: "DCA" Subject: MD Reply-To: "DCA" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:40:11 -0400 Sup R? A couple of things about MD.... Optical out is NOT the norm and is much coveted. Believe me I have spent too much time looking. In a portable, you will probably want a line in + mic in recorder, although if using a pre-amp, the line in is all you need. The mic in is for tiny portable mics with a battery box, are used for stealth or other types of restricted recording. The optical out is NOT available on any portables, and since the market trend is now turned toward portables, very few home decks are made with it. I use the discontinued Sony MDS-PCS - about the size of a CD drive, but a little longer. It has Optical In and Out. The only other decks that have optical out are the "pro" series $$ or a couple of Japan / Europe models (100 or 220 VAC). Don't be fooled by the USB interface or Net MD - yes they transfer to the MD, but not from - such is the case with all existing CD/MD combo decks as well. See www.minidisc.org for the most comprehensive info. Peace, Dave ------------------------------ From: "Mark Baldwin" Subject: Need David Via Taper in Boone,NC Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 20:42:37 -0400 Howdy folks, I need to find a taper to record David Via & Corn Tornado in Boone, NC this sunday. You will put on the guest list in exchange for a clone for the archives. Let me know asap if you can help or if you know anyone you can. Also if you have any Via shows to trade let me know so we can fill voids in the archive. Mark Baldwin coldrainandsnow@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ From: "Carl J. Santora" Subject: Tapers still needed for the current Subhumans US tour Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:24:05 -0500 Tapers still needed for the current Subhumans US tour. These guys play 'serious' punk material. Take note of that before contacting me. They are taper friendly and this round of taping is with their approval. Please contact me direct ASAP for details. Thanks, Carl www.citizenfish.com The following shows do not have definite tapers signed-up as of today: 4/10 Tallahassee, FL @ The Beta Bar w/ the Enemies 4/11 St Petersburg, FL @ State Theatre w/ the Enemies 4/12 Ft Lauderdale, FL @ The Factory w/ the Enemies, Against all authority 4/13 Orlando, FL, @ The Social 4/14 Atlanta, GA @ Cotton Club w/ the Enemies 4/16 Richmond VA @ 929 4/17 Philadelphia PA @ Trocadero 4/18 Boston MA, @ Axis 4/19 NY, NY @ Knitting Factory w/ the Enemies, the Eccentrics 4/20 NY, NY @ Knitting Factory w/ the Enemies, the Eccentrics 4/22 Pittsburgh PA @ Club Laga (11.30pm late show) NEW w/ the Enemies, the Eccentrics 4/24 Detroit MI @ St Andrews Hall w/ the Enemies 4/26 Chicago IL @ Metro w/ the Enemies 4/28 Milwaukee, WI @ Globe East w/ the Enemies ------------------------------ From: "pam marki" Subject: Anyone Taping RatDog at Pompano Beach? Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:33:53 -0400 Flying down to Miami for spring break w/ the family. My wife, kids and I are going to see RatDog Is anyone taping RatDog 4/19/03 at Pompano Beach Amp.? I have to leave the mic bag/stand behind on this one due to "too many carry ons"! I refuse to check any electronics! I'd like to set up a patch. I have a taper ticket if needed to get equipment in. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, John ------------------------------ From: "Mike Zodun" Subject: FS: ARCHIVE Python 01931-XXX5.AC DDS Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:59:00 -0400 Internal SCSI2 drive has audio firmware and extracts audio at 2x. I have used it to convert about 10 shows and there have been no problems with the drive. Asking $75 OBO. Thanks, Mike mike@zodun.com ------------------------------ From: "Fares Halteh" Subject: Tour History - Zwan/The Smashing Pumpkins Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:10:11 -0400 I am currently responsible for the recording information and the setlist information on the spfc (www.spfc.org). For those of you who don't know, the spfc is the most comprehensive tour and setlist guide (amongst other things) for The Smashing Pumpkins & Zwan. I'm looking for any missing shows on the site or any recordings that are not included. The site is not interested in your recording, just information pertaining to the show you taped. We are attempting to archive all known information in regards to taped shows so traders and fans can have a reference as to what show took place on what date and what potential recordings are in existence. If you have taped Zwan or the Smashing Pumpkins (any dates!) Please take a quick visit to http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html and see if your recording information is sourced. I make mistakes, so if something seems out of place please be sure to inform me. If you have taped a show - I'd appreciate the full line of equipment used at the show, your taping location (was a mic stand used?), the length of the show, and any known flaws that may exist in the recording. I want information on everything - even inaudible microcasette recordings or brickwalled tapes. Send to: tourhistory@spfc.org If you know of a show that took place and isn't referenced on the site, please email me the city, venue and setlist if you are aware. Send to: recordings@spfc.org Pass this information on to anyone who you think might have taped these bands :) Your help is very much appreciated! --Fares ------------------------------ From: Jbg0402@aol.com Subject: Italian Tapers Needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 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