DAT-heads Digest #715
Contents:
GOMEZ taping policy (Richard)
JB3 ("Scott Goodwin")
DAT vs. JB3 ("J. Matt.")
Need help with preamps (Royal Repis)
ISO Joe Jackson (TheSchoolNerd@aol.com)
ft: lloyd cole 4-22-03 (mike hooker)
FS: Beginner Digital audio computer, room to customize (Keith Bode)
ISO: Princeton University tapers (h Grape Minkoff)
ISO: Used Bryco/DATrax DSD-320 (DATtrader)
slightly offtopic: ISO reel to reel recorder information (GaoBest@aol.com)
dat heads spam factory? ("Jamie Lutch")
deadwillie2003 new yahoogroup (Schwigiddy)
Re: Dat2wav "Drive Won't Initialize" error - HELP! (mitchell@hibbs.com)
Thievery Corporation (matt c)
From: Richard <wehideandseek@yahoo.com>
Subject: GOMEZ taping policy
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:28:51 -0700 (PDT)
Namaste Y'all,
went to BTAT and to the official gomez site and
couldn't find a thing but have some secondhand
'knowledge' that dAUD is o.k.
Can anyone clarify, either through direct experience
or good source info?
I wish to roll tape for their Tempe show on the 27th
of this month.
Would love BA to mix w/ onstage mics...
thanks
and
take care
richard from flagstaff
BWT:
i can take three 90metre DAT only BnP for:
New Monsoon 04.22.03 @ Mogollon Brewery
MG300 (ortf~lip of stage)>V2>SMP4 w/ sbd feed>M1@48khz
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From: "Scott Goodwin" <coryphaena@bellsouth.net>
Subject: JB3
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:47:18 -0700
Re: (below post)
**********
>Wow. "Dat" and "reliable" in the same breath! You were doing
>good up until this. ;-)
DAT makes a perfect recording about 98.5% of the time.
For our purposes, that's a lot more useful than a recording that's
98.5% perfect, all of the time.
**********
I've followed this debate closely; I was amazed to hear that Jamie Lutch
was coming down against this device (Nomad Jukebox 3, and gawd knows, he's
done his homework on it), given my (me and Zach's, as well as his)
experiences with it. We've taped 30-35 shows with it, split towards the
latter, between analog-in patches and optical digi feed out of an Eridol
UA-5, running Oktava 012s (card). We've never, repeat never, heard an
***audible***, repeat, ***audible*** glitch of any kind, in 100 hours on
this rig. Zach actually just ran this rig this week, using the coax digi
UA-5 > 7-pin out into a <50-hour D8, and optical UA5 > TOSLINK into the
NJB3, and found the NJB3 recording full of noise, just as Jamie (et al)
posted the "NJB3 sux" posts.
HOWEVER, the D8 recording reflected the exact, repeat: exact, same flaws,
meaning the UA-5 was the source of the issues, NOT NJB3... AFAIK, the NJB3
still makes recordings indistinguishable ***audibly*** from DAT and other
16/44.1 devices, and once those recordings are losslessly transferred (and
that's bit-perfect firewire, 5 minutes or less for a gig or two...),
compressed and traded, who cares what inversion testing or other comparisons
yield? You missing those seven bits, out of a coupla billion, that are
impossible to hear?
I say, from raw experience, and (almost) plenty of it, the JB3 still
performs like a champ.
Anybody got UA-5 failure stories? Or *proven* JB3 failure stories? Shall
we compare the number to "Uhh...my D8 (substitute D7, D3, D100, M1) looked
like it rolled, but it didn't" stories...?
Please email for copies of SKB (last 3 tours, Southeast) or misc other
(clean, nice) 012 > UA5 > JB3 recordings... Sorry for the baffling
sentences - been observing Rule #5! (To no impact on my thought process, I
swear)
Check archive.org for nice recordings of 012 > UA5 > NJB3 vs. Core LCB >
>BB> D8 (not meant to be a recording/mic equal, but interesting) vs. Shoeps
MK4 > MiniMe > DAP1 (all onstage) of SKB 3/5/03 Charlotte. Hot show, too.
SWG
From: "J. Matt." <jmatt23@hotmail.com>
Subject: DAT vs. JB3
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:58:40 -0400
> >Wow. "Dat" and "reliable" in the same breath! You were doing
> >good up until this. ;-)
>
>DAT makes a perfect recording about 98.5% of the time.
>For our purposes, that's a lot more useful than a recording that's
>98.5% perfect, all of the time.
>
>--Gary
Well said Gary!
Yeah, I've had a recording or two not come out because of a misload, but
I've fixed that problem and have not had any misloads since.
I record on a new tape once at home using a CD player (playing music) to a
recording home DAT deck. Then, the next day when the show is about to begin
I press play on my DAT deck, watch to see if the levels are going up and
down, if they are, then the deck has loaded properly and is playing the tape
correctly. I simply go from play into record by holding the record button
and pressing the play button. The deck is now recording and has loaded
properly.
This method has worked 100% of the time I've been using it so far. To be
safe though, I also always carry a spare tape and charged Metal-Hydride
batteries. Just in case.
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From: Royal Repis <royalrepis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Need help with preamps
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:53:30 -0700 (PDT)
Two questions regarding preamps. First, is there a
big difference in the Sound Devices MP-2 and the
Denecke AD-20 as for sound quality? Next question,
when using the Denecke AD-20 the sound seems to be
lower than when recorded just using the microphones
connecting straight into the mic input. I have tried
raising the levels by using the gain post's on the
side of the Denecke, but the bad thing is that when
you turn the gain all the way up you hear a hiss which
then comes out on the recording as well. Is there
anything that can be done about this, or should I just
search for a better preamp?
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From: TheSchoolNerd@aol.com
Subject: ISO Joe Jackson
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:06:06 EDT
Im wondering if anyone has scored stellar recordings of Joe Jackson on his
recent tour. Anyone? Please say yes!!!
I have a neet list and plenty of chocolate to trade....
Thanks.
D
From: mike hooker <mhooker@optonline.net>
Subject: ft: lloyd cole 4-22-03
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:31:01 -0400
hi,
i taped lloyd cole doing an acoustic set at joes pub in NYC tues . nice
set, couple of brand new songs. if you want to trade, drop me a line.
have fun,
Mike Hooker
please see my music trading list at:
http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html
being AOL, its doesnt always work. try later, or ask for a list
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: FS: Beginner Digital audio computer, room to customize
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:35:06 -0700
I have a bunch of components to buld a basic, do t all Digital Audio
computer.It's a little on the slow side, but really works surprisingly
well.
Here's what it is:
Asus CUBX-E Motherboard with 440-LX chipset, 100 mhz system bus. I use
this board in my own digtal audio box. I like it for several reasons.
First, unlike most p3 boards, which only support 512 megs of RAM, this
supports 1024 megs of RAM. I've been running like that, and it is nice.
it allows you to run several programs, and still have an entire CD in
RAM. It is an OEM processor, a P3 tualitin, I believe with a new Cooler
master fan rated for a much larger processor. The proessor is 800 mhz,
the fans rated for the biggest p3 CPU.
It also supports 8 drives. 4 ultra ATA and 4 ATA 100. Mine I have a 10
gig boot and software drive, on the ultra ATA Channel, and 3 ATA 100
drives.
I will install a brand new Seagate 7200 rpm 20 gig drive. I will put it
on Ultra ATA channel 0 master. I would reccomend using an older 15 to
20 gig reliable drive for your boot and program drive, and moving the
new Seagate over to a ATA 100 drive, which I use for storage only. It
will easily support any drives you pop in. In my box I have 2 IBM's, a
20 and 30 gig, and a Maxtor 80 gig, ATA 100, 5400 rpm.
I will include a new Plextor Ultraplex $0 max, internal or external. I
will also put the burner of your choice in. I have a Plextor SCSI
12x10x32 refurb that has not been opened since I got it. if you'd like
I'll use that burner, or the burner of your choice. I will also install
a brand new OEM SCSI Adaptec 2930 pci card.
As far as a case, i will use a case set up for 4 CD drives, 4 HD's and a
floppy and a zip. it should support all tat with the existing ATA
channels, and the scsi card. I am open to reasonable offers. Just off
the top of my head, using the components is described, I am guessing
this computer will be in the $500 ballpark, and will inlude either a ATI
Xpert 98 or 200. Prices will vary depending on components of
individuals preferece.
Keith
I also have a brand new Delta Dio 2448.
From: h Grape Minkoff <the_grapeman@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: Princeton University tapers
Reply-To: the_GrapeMan@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 06:17:02 -0700 (PDT)
If there are any list members who attend Princeton, can you please
write to me off-list.
Thanks,
Grape
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From: DATtrader <dattrader@comcast.net>
Subject: ISO: Used Bryco/DATrax DSD-320
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:42:30 -0400
Looking to buy a used Bryco/DATrax (model DSD-320,
http://www.datrax.com/indexdsd320.html), which is a DAT tape storage cabinet.
If you have one laying around, please get in touch with me.
Thanks,
Dt
From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: slightly offtopic: ISO reel to reel recorder information
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:38:37 EDT
Hi everyone,
This may sound a bit ancient on DATheads, but a fellow music/stereo fan in
the UK is looking to buy a reel-to-reel recorder - but doesn't know what's
good, or where to look. Are there any reel-to-reel fans (esp. in the UK)
that would be willing to discuss tips, suggestions, brand names, etc for my
friend? Which ones are better - the older ones from the 60s/70s, or the newer
models? Is Revox still the leader? Etc...
I realize this is DATheads, but surely some of us (besides Tsalikes) worked
with reel to reel in the past, before making the gradual transition to DAT.
One DAT friend is STILL using R2R, claiming that in 200 years from now, the
reels will survive, while his DATs will have lost all information. Whether
or not he's alive at that time is irrelevant to me, as I only plan to live
for another 140 years, at the rate I'm going.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
Mike
gaobest@aol.com
bwt: New Order 2-4-87 Auckland (The Galaxy), on cdr (2 tracks) - source first
gen Maxell XL2-s cassette (copied in 1995) from D6 & ECM929LT master, copied
to DAT (Sony R500) in 2001 in LP mode, and cloned to CDR (Sony CDRW33) last
week. CDR via itunes, oh and limit 2, for kids who haven't dealt with me
before (brutal!). As if anyone cares...
From: "Jamie Lutch" <jlutch@altairinc.com>
Subject: dat heads spam factory?
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:19:06 -0700
I've been getting a ton of spam lately, and wondering why. looking at the
headers, I see the last one was set to:
gdavisloop@earthlink.net; gdavisloop@earthlink.net; cheshirecatvu@yahoo.com;
cheshirecatvu@yahoo.com; DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net;
Comnaround@aol.com; sprung598@yahoo.com; bpkelley@myexcel.com;
bpkelley@myexcel.com; bpkelley@myexcel.com; bpkelley@myexcel.com;
jlutch@altairinc.com; wayne@hoxnet.com; wayne@hoxnet.com; wayne@hoxnet.com;
mikethedj@yahoo.com; bbornstein@pcapps.com; dwonk@hotmail.com;
dwonk@hotmail.com
seems to be originating from dat-heads.
this sucks!
anything we can do? All the dupes seem to indicate a webcrawler picked them
up.
From: Schwigiddy <gear4sale4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: deadwillie2003 new yahoogroup
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:45:25 -0700 (PDT)
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From: mitchell@hibbs.com
Subject: Re: Dat2wav "Drive Won't Initialize" error - HELP!
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:12:21 -0700 (PDT)
Check the ASPI version. The versions I am referring to below can be found at
this link (or goto adaptec.com and search 'aspi' if this link doesn't work).
http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/common/searchcont.html?BV_SessionID=@@@@0134473994.1051211349@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccgadcidhjefigcgelcfmndflldfll.0&language=English+US&docType=DRIVER
When I moved to XP, I had to manually install the ASPI layer, and I went w/ the
newest _471a2 and I was getting the same problems you are getting. I changed
the ASPI layer back to v470 and the drive worked fine. There seems (in my
experience) to be a problem w/ DAT2WAV and the newest ASPI from adaptec. I am
guessing since you did installs recently, you might have picked the newest ASPI
as well. Good luck.
mitch
From: matt c <elsunra@yahoo.com>
Subject: Thievery Corporation
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:12:40 -0700 (PDT)
folks-
if you have taped a recent Thievery Corporation show
or plan on taping them at Coachella Music and Arts
Festival please drop me a like. I'd love to set up a
trade or b&p.
thanks,
matt
mattc@earthlink.net
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