DAT-heads Digest #724
Contents:
Tape Baking ("Sherm Clow")
RE:RE: Re: DAT-heads Digest #719- long tourdates posts... (Liam Sean Kennedy)
Tour Date Haiku ("Alan Goldenberg")
re:NEED HELP TRANSFERING DATS TO CDR? (Mexminute@aol.com)
RE: Tour Dates ("DRider")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #723- Re: tour dates (acffh)
ISO: Elton John & Billy Joel at Allstate ("Kathy & Mike")
tour postings ("david gatewood")
My 2c on long Tour Dates posts ("Gary Davis")
THROWING MUSES LIVE 2CD SETS CAMBRIDGE 4-24-03 AND 4-25-03 ("eD")
long tour dates posts (Joshua)
F/T: Tori Amos 3/20, 22, 23, 24, 26 (David Mobley)
ISO Trichromes ("Matt Korman")
Oade Pre-amp for sale / question ("Scott Greenbaum")
ISO Doors in Connecticut (Sean Foley)
ISO Dave MAtthews and Tim Reynolds (Sean Foley)
From: "Sherm Clow" <SCLOW@utah.gov>
Subject: Tape Baking
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:17:01 -0600
The food dehydrator method is also great for apricots....yummmy....
(hope the bugs don't get the tree this year...)
From: Liam Sean Kennedy <liam@fedney.org>
Subject: RE:RE: Re: DAT-heads Digest #719- long tourdates posts...
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 13:40:40 -0400
--On Wednesday, April 30, 2003 9:53 PM -0400 Sean Cartwright
<scartwri@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> Maybe Sean (the moderator, not me) could offer his opinion,
> maybe you don't care?
I care that all of us have had to watch this thread.
DAT-heads is not moderated, else very little of this discussion would have
made it. In the past tour dates have been sent to the list and it hasn't
been an issue. I think as long as people use some common sense we do not
need any hard and fast rules. My general idea of common sense follows, but
considering its advice and not a rule ... I ask that those who dissent just
follow up with me personally and not prolong this debate.
- There are some efforts that seem very valuable which could be restricted
by a hard and fast rule, an example of this is Dan Gale's efforts to
archive all the shows of Los Lobos (sometime Dan I need to hit you up for
some highlights). Ditto bands who are looking for tapers (Shockra for
instance in the past) -- we get special privileges from some bands and do
owe paying respect to their archival needs
- In the case of obscure bands, instead of posting lines and lines of
dates... how about saying why you think the band should be taped and
mention some of the states or countries they are hitting (two letter
abbreviations don't take 50 lines)
- DAT-heads is not a tour dates list... "becky's" or any other places are
a better place to inform or be informed of random tours. (If you are
posting complete dates of 3 bands a month your common sense flag should go
up that its off topic)
- In general the bulk of each post should be your opinion and not just
something forwarded or quoted... there are obvious exceptions, but in most
cases you should *edit* something forwarded from elsewhere ; this means
condensing tour dates
So, w/o strong consensus from the rest of DAT-heads, I don't see any reason
to ban tour dates. I do see reason for most of the people who participated
in the thread to breath deeply and get their minds back on topic.
Sean
From: "Alan Goldenberg" <agoldenberg@charter.net>
Subject: Tour Date Haiku
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:11:48 -0500
In the interest of killing this thread :)
I bring you the DAT-Heads remedy
for ending any hopeless rant or debate:
Haiku! To wit:
Should I scroll or rant?
Tour date posts are the villain
So much wasted time.
From: Mexminute@aol.com
Subject: re:NEED HELP TRANSFERING DATS TO CDR?
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:15:19 -0400
IT ALWAYS BURNS MY ASS AT HOW NASTY SOME PEOPLE CAN BE. I WAS SIMPLY OFFERING
MY ASSISTANCE TO INDIVIDAULS WHO WANT OR NEED A LITTLE HELP IN TRANSFERING THEIR
DATS TO CDR....NOTHING MORE.
PEOPLE THAT LISTEN TO DATS IN THEIR CAR....ARE "SLIM TO NONE".
THOSE THAT HAVE DAT PLAYERS IN THEIR OFFICES ARE....."SLIM TO
NONE". THOSE WHO HAVE DAT PLAYERS ON THEIR MOTORCYCLES....."SLIM TO NONE".
RARELY DO WE EVER SEE PORTABLE DAT PLAYERS IN THE GYM.
HOWEVER I LISTEN TO MY RECORDING IN MY OFFICE, IN MY HOME, IN MY CAR, AND WHEN I WORK OUT.
BWT "BAND WIDTH TAX" = A WAY OF GIVING SOMETHING AS KARMIC PAYMENT FOR THE USE
OF THE SPACE ON THIS LIST.
B&P = BLANKS AND POSTAGE....NO KARMIC VALUE HERE!
BWT: GOV'T MULE - 9:30 CLUB: WASHINGTON, DC 2/15/03 NEUMAN KM-140'S > LUNATEC V3 >
SONY M-1....DAT OR CDR ONLY!
I WILL RESPOND TO THE FIRST WHO HITS MY MAILBOX.
From: kmstraker@mindspring.com
Subject: re:NEED HELP TRANSFERING DATS TO CDR?
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:03:37 -0400 (EDT)
If you are like many tapers, you hardly ever have a chance to listen to
your old dat masters because they are not on cdr,....
It always makes me laugh when people ask how I'll listen to the tape when I never transfer to cdr. It's called a play button and it's right next to the record button. Not to be confused with the stop button which has a tiny dot over it.
BWT: WSP 4-29-03 Savannah B&P on DAT only, for those of you who know where the play button is. mk4>kc5>cmc6>v3>dap1. FOB,DFC.
From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@attbi.com>
Subject: RE: Tour Dates
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:25:54 -0400
I have to say I am w/ John E. Bogus and Tom on this one. Please keep them
coming!
I used to be a huge Ministry fan. I knew that they had a new disc coming out
(probably out already). But I knew nothing about their tour until someone
posted the dates on this list. Turns out they are playing right here in
Jacksonville. Now, I am pretty stoked about that!
The point - even the biggest music junkie can NOT keep up w/ everything
going on.
There's alot of whining on this list. It did not used to be that way. There
also people that use this as a forum to air their dirty trading laundry for
all of us to see. Is that really needed?
How about the pointless threads that get started and go on WAY too long??
What about the people that post the entire previous Digest along w/ their
post?
What about the people that have the long signature at the bottom of all of
their posts?
Are you getting the drift?
There are plenty of posts that I scroll past, but I don't turn around and
bitch because I had to scroll past them.
A happy medium could be reached w/ the tour dates posts. There's enough info
and then there's way too much info. Just because you never heard of the band
is NOT a reason to bitch about a tour dates post. Aren't we all music lovers
here? There all kinds of great bands that people never heard of. Does that
mean they suck? Just because you never heard of them - give me a break!
How many of you have heard of Hawkwind? They have only been around for 34
years!
A link to a website may not be enough. If you have not heard of the band and
you don't know their songs, then you would not even bother looking, right?
Then you might never find out that they are playing in your town and that
you could have taped. Time passes and you may actually hear them and like
their music. Wouldn't you be kicking yourself for the fact that a cool band
played your town and you missed it because "you never heard of them before".
How lame!
One of the things that I like about being a taper is the camaraderie we
have. We help each other out. If someone posts a band's tour dates and is
looking for other tapers to help capture the tour, the band's music must
mean ALOT to them. It's good karma to help others out. Some day they may
return the favor. Isn't discovering a new band, making a phat master
recording of them and helping another taper out a win/win situation??
Most of the things that piss folks off has to do w/ common sense. Posting
the entire tour dates for 5 bands that will take up an entire Digest might
not be the best idea. How about one or 2 bands a day?
Not all the info is needed. The date and the city and then a link to the
band's site for more detailed info works well.
So stop bitching and offer something constructive as an alternative to
something that really gets under your skin. If that does not work for you,
ask yourself why the topic is so important to the person that posted it
before you rake them over the coals in front of everyone.
No B&P offers this time.
However, I will offer:
moe. 4/26/03 Gainesville, FL
moe. 4/27/03 St. Pete, FL
WSP 4/29/03 Savannah, GA
from my rig:
Josephson C-603/KA-500(Hyper)>Denecke PS-1A's>Zefiro Inbox>PCM- M1
for DAT ONLY trades
Looking for WSP Spring 2003 shows in return.
Peace,
D
From: acffh <morst@tds.net>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #723- Re: tour dates
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:03:13 -0500
I have been compiling a list of sites which list historical data
concerning shows performed. The link to my list is at :
http://www.geocities.com/soundscapepreservation
I currently have information about historic tour dates of these bands-
311, Allman Brothers Band, Joan Baez, Black Crowes, Blues Traveller,
The Cure, Ani DiFranco, Dylan , Jerry Garcia, Genesis & Peter
Gabriel, Garbage, Gov't Mule, Grateful Dead, Ghoti, Robert Hunter,
Jimi Hendrix, Jethro Tull, Billy Joel, Phil Lesh, Los
Lobos-Matthews Band, Dave, MMW, Joni Mitchell, moe, The Other Ones,
Pink Floyd, The Police, Ratdog, Reason For Leaving, Rush shows,
Smashing Pumpkins / Zwan, The Streets, Tool shows, Umphrey's McGee,
U2, Van Halen, Wilco, Widespread Panic, Yes, Neil Young, Frank Zappa
If the moderator wants to boot me off this list for taking precious
archive space, then I'll be happy to take my friendly advice
elsewhere.
-tom
"discussion of Digital Audio, especially pertaining to Grateful Dead
Audience taping and GD tape trading."
We've come a long way, haven't we?
>From: Philip Smoker <psmoker43@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: tour dates
>Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:52:49 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hi, all.
>
>Just my abbreviated thoughts on the tour date debate... Including
>tour dates in digests that are archived for future use can be a
>great resource to people like myself that have attempted to compile
>a chronology of a band's live shows over the years, since few
>artists keep their old tour dates on their websites forever.
>
>Take care,
>*phiL*
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From: "Kathy & Mike" <schumi@theramp.net>
Subject: ISO: Elton John & Billy Joel at Allstate
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 16:28:15 -0500
anybody?
i need this for my boss....
have lots of other stuff to trade....
peace,
Mike
From: "david gatewood" <daveg_8@hotmail.com>
Subject: tour postings
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 21:44:00 +0000
I don't post much, but stand in the middle ground on this issue. I don't
mind seeing the tour dates, but FOR GOD SAKES, only use the basic info. 1
line per date, not 4 lines listing every possible piece of info, including
best taping spot, what beer to get, which chick to hook up with, etc......
Now, Carl who organized the Subhumans taping told me some of you idiots
backed out of taping last minute with no word to him. You should be beaten
with a T bar until you cry!!!!!!! If you say you will go, and he gets you
guest list, go! Or else let him know, so someone else can go tape. I
realize things come up, but communicate! Jesus, are you 5 years old. Not
only did I have a good time at the show for FREE, but partied with the band
as well. Damn good guys, IMO. I know the first inscinct is to accept the
freebie, but if you aren't sure, allow someone else the joy. I inquired
about a Yonder show a while back, and was told it was covered. Well, the
guy backed out with plenty of time, and I was contacted and taped it.
Simple common certousy(sp?)
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From: "Gary Davis" <g@hoxnet.com>
Subject: My 2c on long Tour Dates posts
Reply-to: g@hoxnet.com
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:02:19 -0700
As someone who was slightly annoyed with the recent long tour
dates post, but also someone guilty of recently posting long tour
dates for Mike Watt, I had to consider these conflicting issues and
came to the following conclusion:
My problem with the recent posting is that it did not contain *any*
information about the bands. I suggest, in the future, that anyone
posting tour dates for a band we may not know, take the time to
write a compelling paragraph explaining *why* we might want to
see this particular band.
Also, just for the record, I spent considerable time reformatting the
Mike Watt post I sent to take less space. As lengthy as it was, it
would have been about 3 times as long if I had let the lines "break"
the way they did after the cut-and-paste.
--Gary
From: "eD" <lileddie@attbi.com>
Subject: THROWING MUSES LIVE 2CD SETS CAMBRIDGE 4-24-03 AND 4-25-03
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:59:26 -0400
Just FUCKING amazing shows by this awesome band...sound is perfect....Tanya
Donnelly guested on both shows....recorded with DAT and transferred to 2 CDR
sets...both nights are available ...the friday night show was sold out...
4-24-03 setlist
Furious
Bea
Shark
SolarDip
Los Flamingos
(Tanya takes stage)
Say Goodbye
Not Too Soon
Mercury
Pandora's Box
(Tanya leaves)
Start
Hazing
Civil Disobedience
Pretty or Not
Portia
Speed and Sleep
Bright Yellow Gun
(Tanya returns)
Honeychain
Flying
Two Step
(encores w/ Tanya)
Limbo
Mania
(second encore)
Vicky's Box
4-25-03 setlist
Furious
Bea
Shark
SolarDip
Los Flamingos
Say Goodbye
Not Too Soon
Mercury
Pandora's Box
Start
Hazing
Civil Disobedience
Pretty or Not
Portia
Speed and Sleep
Bright Yellow Gun
Honeychain
Flying
Two Step
(encore)
Mania
Vicky's Box
(second encore)
Pearl
Each of the shows is 2 cds...FT ONLY...email me your tradelists...especially
looking for other Muses, Smokey and MIho, Cornershop, recent Pretenders,
recent annie lennox, ike reilly, verbena,
"This secondhand living just won't do
And the way I feel tonight
I could die and I wouldn't mind
And there's something going on inside
Makes you wanna feel
Makes you wanna try
Makes you wanna blow the stars from the sky".........J&M Chain
From: Joshua <sprung598@yahoo.com>
Subject: long tour dates posts
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 16:20:22 -0700 (PDT)
I like seeing the tour schedules of what other people
are listening to and taping, taper friendly or
otherwise. It doesn't seem to me to be a huge, hairy
deal to simply scroll past text, even if it is more
than a page or so, and I hope people will continue to
post them. One other thought is that some of the
individuals might try and be a bit more polite and
ease up on the language in discussions. My tender
ears just can't take it.
As for all the folks who have devoted much time to the
discussion of this (on both sides of the issue), WHERE
THE #@%*! IS THE BANDWIDTH TAX??? MCMILLER????
-Josh
BWT: I'll B&P 2 Jerry Douglas 4-19-03 from the Fox
Theater in Boulder, DAT-in-the-hat style...I'll take a
couple of downloads, too, if anyone is interested
PS Is it ironic that the discussion of said tour dates
has taken up more space than the tour dates
themselves?
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From: David Mobley <dmobley@myrealbox.com>
Subject: F/T: Tori Amos 3/20, 22, 23, 24, 26
Reply-To: David Mobley <dmobley@myrealbox.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:55:15 -0400
I recently taped Tori in Cincy, KC, Tulsa, Omaha, and Green Bay, and
thanks to Wayne, I've managed to get them transferred and can offer
them for trade!
source is SP-CMC-4 > SP-SPSB-3 > D100 (48k) for all of them, and
transfers were done ARCHIVE Python 01931-XXX5AC > WDAT > CoolEdit Pro (resample -> 44.1k) -> CDWAV
I can do audio, shn, and quite possibly clone DAT's now as well if I
understand WDAT well enough to make things work now.
I'm looking for any Tori Amos shows I don't have, new or old. I have
a page but it's woefully out of date (and lacking in source info for
older shows) so please send along lists/pages if interested.
Thanks again to Wayne, I believe my original problem was that I had
too large of a file and it just didn't work with CoolEdit. Things
were deleted and tried again and it worked perfectly after that. WDAT
is a wonderful little tool!
From: "Matt Korman" <mlkorman@bytehead.com>
Subject: ISO Trichromes
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:51:36 -0000
Looking for any Trichromes shows, Especially 8-4-02, 4-5-02 & 6-27-02.
DAT only please. much to trade for.
thanks
Matt
From: "Scott Greenbaum" <scott@greenbaum.com>
Subject: Oade Pre-amp for sale / question
Reply-To: "Scott Greenbaum" <scott@greenbaum.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 21:17:53 -0400
Hi Everyone,
I've got a pretty darn early Oade Brothers portable stereo preamplifier
model M148. Actually it's an M112 modified by them to 48v usage. Anyway,
new these are $1300 and this one is a tank...a bit beaten up on the outside
but perfect "under the hood", per Oade Bros. when they did the voltage mod
around 4 years ago. My opinion is that it sounds really, really nice.
I am in financial dire straights and am selling "non-essential" items and
this is one, unfortunately. If anyone has a suggestion as to its value
(perhaps for an ebay starting price or something) or if anyone wants to make
me an offer to purchase it, I'd really appreciate it. I can send photos.
It has a recharger.
Thanks folks. Sorry for the wob.
Scott Greenbaum
scott@greenbaum.com
From: Sean Foley <digitalman01@earthlink.net>
Subject: ISO Doors in Connecticut
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 21:45:00 -0400
I am looking for hq recordings of the recent Doors show in Connecticut,
April 26, 2003. I have lots of DAT and CD hours to trade or will b&p if
need be. Please help me if you have this show. Thank you.
peace,
Sean
bwt DAT only
Paul McCartney
9-27-02 Hartford Civic Center, CT AT853> battery box> D8 clone fr.
master 1x90m
From: Sean Foley <digitalman01@earthlink.net>
Subject: ISO Dave MAtthews and Tim Reynolds
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 21:45:10 -0400
I would love to find a good recording of the latest Dave Matthews and
Tim Reynolds show at the Oakdale Theater in Connecticut (March 2003?).
I have many hours on DAT and CD to offer up, including the first time
Dave and Tim played the Oakdale, 2/5/99 I believe. I have it from a SBD
source on CD only. Please help out if you can.
peace,
Sean
bwt Dave and Tim 2/5/99 Oakdale theater, CT CD only, SHN or audio
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