DAT-heads Digest #745, Volume #6 Thu, 22 May 03 02:50:00 EDT Contents: Re: [dmb-tapers2000] FS: Beyer MV-100 Pre Amp (Bob1355740@aol.com) re: Beyer MV100 or Sound Devices MP2 (Joshua) Re: if you must normalize,... (Michael Miller) Re: For All You That Must Normalize..... (steve fukawa) Re: DAT-heads Digest #744 (Bob Cain) Re: Beyer MV100 or Sound Devices MP2 (David Carmean) Re: Subject: For All You That Must Normalize..... ("Slipkid") Fade-outs (was Re: if you must normalize,...) ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.") iso Gary Davis (artood2) ISO: CLINIC Peel Session(s) / OXES Peel Session / ATP BBC1 Broadcast ("Henry H. Owings") Philly FREE Festival Saturday, May 31 ("DRider") ISO: radiohead 2003 tapers ("Javi Dieguez") UK Tapers needed for current Yes Tour (JBABC0CK@aol.com) Tapers Needed:Utica,Philly,NYC+Turnin,NY(RAQ) (SnowRide@aol.com) FS: Vintage Gefell Mics and Capsules ("chris evans") I'm back, post surgery report... (michael ryan) Richard Thompson in Seattle (CatalystX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob1355740@aol.com Subject: Re: [dmb-tapers2000] FS: Beyer MV-100 Pre Amp Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:59:07 -0400 I'll sell mine for 274 Who wants 274? In a message dated 5/21/2003 2:34:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, alex@kabella.org writes: > > > and i've got one for 275 > do i hear 275? > :) > > On Wed, 21 May 2003 14:56:47 -0400 > "William Draper" wrote: > > in great shape. cosmetically flawless. looking for $300 > > (obo of course) > > and i'll pay > > for shipping. would like paypal payment if possible. > > > > wed > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > dmb-tapers2000-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. > Click Here! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > dmb-tapers2000-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ From: Joshua Subject: re: Beyer MV100 or Sound Devices MP2 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:26:29 -0700 (PDT) I've owned both of these - mp2 sounds great, the beyer sounds like ass..I bought mine cuz it was the cheapest thing around back then to plug my mics into...you can pick up a used mp2 for 450-500, prolly...great bang for the buck...the knobs on the mp2 are a little touchy, which can be corrected by simply pulling them off...the beyer doesn't have variable gain on each channel, and the low end is pretty muddy... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Michael Miller Subject: Re: if you must normalize,... Date: 21 May 2003 19:36:19 -0400 ...please use the same percentage normalization across all segments of the show. Don't normalize each CD independently. At some point CDs are going to go away in favor of DVD and folks will be reassembling shows onto a single disk. If each CD has been normalized with respect to itself, the reassembly will never be correct. ------------------------------ From: steve fukawa Subject: Re: For All You That Must Normalize..... Reply-To: sfukawa@popmail.colum.edu Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:03:00 -0500 hiya all, not only does the redbook layer of the 30th anniversary of dsom sound like sh*t, those copies pressed domestically are all exhibiting cracks areound the spindle hole. seems that the company that made the discs used some bad chemicals in manufacturing and they are all going bad. so, if you're gonna buy one, be sure you get the one made in japan. you can tell the domestic ones by checking the spine for the cat #. if it is followed by "-us", that's the bad one. also, bottom left hand corner, if you want the good one it should say "except disc manufactured in japan" steve Even Dark Side of the Moon isn't sacred. There's a Stereophile article that shows how the cd layer of the 30th anniversary re-issue was put through a peak limiter and has clipped samples... http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1649 ------------------------------ From: Bob Cain Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #744 Reply-To: arcane@arcanemethods.com Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:42:39 -0700 > > From: David Sadowski > Subject: re: Normalization > Reply-To: dsadowski@ameritech.net > Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:35:41 -0500 > > All of which has little to do with live recording. The rig I use > (PCM-M1) has, essentially, adjustable compression, and it is only > through trial and error that I have determined how much to use, and when > to use it. The same is true of the recordings I normalize using a wave > editor. When done properly, the result is a better recording and one > where the listener's attention is not drawn towards the overuse of > compression. How does one adjust the compression on the PCM-M1? On mine it is either ALC or limiting. BTW, is there a non-digest, mail box, version of this list? Responding to a post in the digest is a real P.I.T.A. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein ------------------------------ From: David Carmean Subject: Re: Beyer MV100 or Sound Devices MP2 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:01:23 -0700 On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 01:03:20PM +0200, Dirk Stelzer wrote: > Hey folks, > > I'm planning to upgrade my taping rig, i currently own this stealth rig: > DPA 4061 > Line-in of mod.24 bit SBM-1 > TCD-D100. Which of these two preamps do > you guys rather recommend to use with this setup. I heard that the Beyer MV 100 > and the mod.SBM-1 sound really great together but how about the MP2? Which of > these two sounds better with the DPAs? Both preamps are quite stealthable but > which one is smaller in size? Since the DPAs tend to produce a little too much > bass on recordings of metal/rock shows (actually they reproduce exactly what you > hear at the show) i'd like to attenuate the low frequencies a bit, so i'd need a > lowcut filter, i guess both preamps have one? I really like my MP2. It's professional-grade stuff; when I can wear phones, the tape return monitor capability lets me know that my M1 is at least in record mode (would be more useful with 4-head deck, obviously). The limiters are gentle and I've been able to adjust them and the mic gain so that I *never* get digital clipping on the M1. The LED level meters can be seen in direct sunlight if you need them; If you need them on in the dark, put a couple of layers of masking tape over them to cut the light down. Oh, it also can do a mid/side matrix and decode to L/R for just the headphone. And the headphone amp is clean and powerful. You could probably drive a car over the case, too. Some people will probably cringe at this, but I covered the entire bottom of my M1 and the top of my MP2 with Velcro, and I stick them together and carry them on a neck strap. ------------------------------ From: "Slipkid" Subject: Re: Subject: For All You That Must Normalize..... Reply-To: "Slipkid" Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:50:28 -0400 redgum1 wrote: >This article is from 2000, so maybe normalization > techniques in the meantime has come some way to make CDs sound loud and > still ok ? The Normalization process used on that Rush CD must have been a > particularly cheap and nasty one. that article is from september of 2002 & refers to the most recent RUSH studio album, which really DOES sound like "dogshit" thanks to the hideous compression/overloading, as pointed out by the article's author big thx to everybody (including regrum1) for more thoughts on normalization, and to klay for pointing the group to that informative article about CD mastering gone haywire - jon - ------------------------------ From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." Subject: Fade-outs (was Re: if you must normalize,...) Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:06:50 -0500 (CDT) On Wed, 21 May 2003, Michael Miller wrote: > > ...please use the same percentage normalization across all > segments of the show. Don't normalize each CD independently. > At some point CDs are going to go away in favor of DVD and > folks will be reassembling shows onto a single disk. If each > CD has been normalized with respect to itself, the reassembly > will never be correct. > ...and for God's sake, don't fade out your CD's in the middle of a set. That is one of my all-time pet peeves. I routinely reasswmble DAT's from CD's and there is nothing more annoying than a fade-out > fade-in in the middle of a song/set. -- Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr. wayne@hoxnet.com http://www.hoxnet.com PGP Key ID 138BCEE1 ------------------------------ From: artood2 Subject: iso Gary Davis Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:18:01 -0700 Gary please email me at your earliest convenience. ------------------------------ From: "Henry H. Owings" Subject: ISO: CLINIC Peel Session(s) / OXES Peel Session / ATP BBC1 Broadcast Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:25:58 -0400 Actively looking for all the Clinic Peel Session the past few years. I've got plenty of Clinic and other stuff to trade. In addition, is there anybody out there that has the Oxes performance on Radio 1 from last year and/or the entire broadcast of All Tomorrow's Parties on the BBC? h20 ------------------------------ From: "DRider" Subject: Philly FREE Festival Saturday, May 31 Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:40:16 -0400 Scattered Planets will soon be hosting SPACEROCK festival featuring bands from the Philadelphia area as well as nearby states. Featured acts include: Born To Go - http://borntogo.com Scattered Planets - http://scatteredplanets.com Sowbelly - http://mp3.com/sowbelly Stellarscope - http://stellarscope.net Mikronesia - http://mikronesia.com Audiophyle - http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Audiophyle/ Theatre of the Mind http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Theatre_of_the_Mind/ Also featured will be visual displays and catering by the famous Chef Jeff (sic - actual spelling I believe is Chef Geoff, ed.). This event will be held at the Rotunda in Philadelphia (4012 Walnut St). 6pm-2am on Saturday May 31st. The show is FREE for all ages. For more information on the Rotunda and other events held at this venue, visit http://foundationarts.org For a copy of the flyer and other information: http://scatteredplanets.com or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scattered_planets/ TAPING: both audio and video should be NO PROBLEM!! In Space We Trust Peace, D ------------------------------ From: "Javi Dieguez" Subject: ISO: radiohead 2003 tapers Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:58:48 +0200 I am very interested in getting in touch with other people who will tape radiohead this year on DAT. I have taped one show of their may club tour in excellent quality, and will also tape 1 or 2 more european shows in july. I can send copies in advance to experienced tapers who can provide a list of their masters. Thanks! Javi ------------------------------ From: JBABC0CK@aol.com Subject: UK Tapers needed for current Yes Tour Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:47:39 -0400 Hey heads. This message is pointed towards mercinary tapers in the UK. In June Yes will kick off their "full circle" tour with 3 dates in small 1000-2500 seat houses, the first of which, a friday night in Dublin, looks like a taper's dream. This tour will have the strongest 70s lineup of the band featuring several long 20 minute songs and may well be the last time we see these guys get together onstage, barring one more round in the US next year. Been busy lining up tapers for the 40 dates throughout Europe, but NOBODY can make it to the opening 3 shows, Dublin, Cardiff & Nottingham. Here is a link that gets you all the info on ticket prices, seating, etc.: http://www.zenponies.com/yes/yestour/tour/2003/index.html None of them are sold out. Dublin is June 3rd, though, and is first-come, first serve; Cardiff is the 5th and is standing room. Looking for tapers for these 3 gigs and will cover the cost of the ticket for a copy of the tape. If anyone in the rest of europe can make any of the other shows that would be great! There are a lot of places in the world where tapes don't roll or never surface, so it would be great to hear from any of you, too. For those who have not heard these guys in years, the early part of the tour is usually very loose as they finalize the setlist, but by the 5th or 6th night they have it down and play the same setlist every night, usually tighter & tighter. This year they even get to play Glastonbury at the end of June & Montreux in mid-July. Please feel free to forward this to anyone in the UK that you think might be game, and thanks for reading. jonathan babcock trapped in NYC, listening to noise, but still making tapes of dated 70s rock bands. BWT: 2 copies of each, CDR preferred, but DAT is OK if you are john bogus ;-| Yes 8/03/02 Jones Beach Amphitheatre, Wantaugh NY. Sonic Studios DSM6-L > Sony PCM1 8/23/02 Los Angeles, CA Universal Ampitheater. Sonic Studios DSM6-L > Sony PCM1 8/25/02 Las Vegas Hilton Showroom, Las Vegas NV. Sonic Studios DSM6-L > Sony PCM1 (those were my best tapes from last summer, with Vegas being my favorite) ! ------------------------------ From: SnowRide@aol.com Subject: Tapers Needed:Utica,Philly,NYC+Turnin,NY(RAQ) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:21:49 -0400 RAQ 05/22/03 Electric Company - Utica, NY 700 Varick St - (315) 792-9271 18+ / 10pm Start RAQ 05/23/03 North Star - Philadelphia, PA 2639 Poplar Street (@ 27th) - (215) 684-0808 RAQ 05/26/03 Tobacco Road - New York, NY (across from Port Authority) 355 W 41st - (212) 244-7623 18+/ 11:30 Start RAQ 05/24/03 Scottypaluza - Turin, NY Rte 26 - (585) 271-7355 All Ages / 9pm Start Hey gang, I'm hoping someone can cover some of these shows. Get in touch if you can help me out. If you havn't heard them and want a taste before you go, check out http://raq.thropter.com/ for shn dowloads. I suggest 4/25 Portland, ME (groove is in the dust>beauregard!=) Thanks, ~Cliff Kaelin ------------------------------ From: "chris evans" Subject: FS: Vintage Gefell Mics and Capsules Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:08:06 -0600 All, - 2 mv692 bodies - 3 m70 (card) capsules - 2 m93 (omni) capsules - works off 18v to 52v phantom Over the past year I bought each (capsules / bodies) as a set, however, each do NOT have sequential serial numbers. The bodies are the older verison (Gefell still makes this mic in Germany) but are (each body) from different eras, since one mic has a flat finish (black) and the other w/a satin-gloss finish. However, the bodies and capsules have been matched per their sound as pairs. I've used these for home recording and live taping (i.e. Garaj, Fareed, etc), and have had wonderful results. One of the omni's will need adjustment or work since i've noticed different results in the high/lows. Beyond that, the other 4 caps work perfect. Please contact me w/any questions. Reason for selling: looking at yet another guitar.. Price: $600 Chris Evans chrvans@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ From: michael ryan Subject: I'm back, post surgery report... Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Hey Now All! I am back to reality, somewhat, Yeah -I know-Bummer! Anyway I forgot that I sent out a note before the surgery to hold off on writing till I let you know. Well I am leting you know! The Doc did a decent job as far as I know. Lots of pain but that comes with bone scrapeing. Anyway I will know within 3 to 5 months. I want to Thank All of You who sent healing notes and vibes this way. I will need them for a while still so Please do not stop.DOCTOR CURATOLA I cannot say thank you enough for coming so and staying so late!I owe you more than you know!!! XXXXXXXXX NOTICE XXXXXXX NOTICE XXXXX I am working on having a party at the Plaza Grill in Arcata on June 4th for my Lady Diane and would like any and all of you who can make it to PLEASE come. Not to be a buzz kill but if any one can help with a donation that would be a great help. If you cannot or do not want to donate but would still like to come, PLEASE DO!!! It's just that I am already paying for the band, Kulica acoustic, and the major portion of the catering. And view room of the Grill which will be ours from 5 PM till 9PM. AGAIN PLEASE DO NOT FEEL OBLIGATED BUT IT IS HER 50TH AND IS AFRAID OF NOT HAVING ANY FRIENDS AROUND. Those of you who know her will want to be there and those of you who do not will meet many good people. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE RSVP by the 29th so I do not lose my deposit. If we do not have enough people to do this then it's just going to be a big table and we will try to pick up that tab! XXXXXXX THANK YOU XXXX THANK YOU XXXXXXX Anyway I am back and I look forward to having you help me celebrate Diane's 50th and also it's time to start spreading the music. Since I am supposed to be keeping off my foot, that means it's time to catch up on my trading list and spread more music. FISHHEADs, please keep me in music! I am reading the KOD list and see ton's of music going right on by every day. Please just send me some shows, Rads or others and let me know how many DATs or discs to return. Well, I have wasted enough bandwidth so I shall offer this BW tax to the first 10 From the KOD digest and 10 off list... Pink Floyd, 10/20/94 Earls Court, Neville Brothers 4/24/99 Jazz Fest., Rowan,Rice & Shatz 2/24/99 Pisiol river, OR. and/or Bill Frisell 10/13/00 Boulder, all boards! Peace and Love to all of my brothers and sisters, Michael Michael Ryan 2510 Hwy 199 #17 Crescent City, CA. 95531 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: CatalystX Subject: Richard Thompson in Seattle Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:15:05 -0700 Did anyone tape or know someone who taped this show? I tried, but a security guard was standing right by me the entire time so I couldn't check my gear and discover my mics had come unplugged. I would love a recording so please let me know if you can help. Thanks Aaron ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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