DAT-heads Digest #747
Contents:
re: Pearl Jam info ("Mark McKay")
Pearl Jam taping policy ("Gordon Laslow")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #746- re: velcro! (acffh)
Re: cdr mastering ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
Re: pearl jam info (Chris Hickman)
ISO: Sonosax SX-M2 preamp (Dirk Stelzer)
Re: What's Normal? (Rockcat)
Normalizing a Signal (Ken Loge)
Re: Newbie soundboard > d8 Questions (Brandon)
elliott smith (richard turnure)
security at RFK stadium, near DC.... ("john e. bogus")
RE: Question for Schoeps STC(ortf) bar users ("Jamie Lutch")
Anyone need a "Reutelhuber" style box for discrete recording adventures? ("Alex Coluzzi")
SEARCHING FOR JAZZFEST STUFF.... (Dgowc1st@aol.com)
FS: 2 Bonnaroo tickets ("Joe Sweetser")
fs apogee ad 1000 ("Greg Lance")
ISO:I mother Earth tapes ("Steve Mew")
Zefiro ZA2 cheap ("rush Trader")
From: "Mark McKay" <mkm@cox.net>
Subject: re: Pearl Jam info
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:41:40 -0400
>also-- it was reported in a local entertainment magazine , that they were
>going to allow sbd access for fans. i have a chance to buy a seat right
>next to the mix position at alpine valley,,,,, and was kinda thinkin about
>trying it.... and standing there with a sheepish grin, and an xlr patch
cord
Highly doubtful, as the band is releasing their own series of "bootlegs"
again...sbds of every show they do.
According to the letter the sent out for fan club tix "small handheld
recorders will not be confiscated" and "disposable cameras with no flash
will be allowed in the venue".
Mark
From: "Gordon Laslow" <laslow_g@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pearl Jam taping policy
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:21:51 +0000
Here is the official PJ taping policy:
http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/PearlJam/tour/taping.html
And, after reading it, it seems the only way to tape the band legit
and get a stereo digital recording is to use the Sony MiniDisc model
Business Recorder MZ-B100 because Pearl Jam does not allow DAT,
or external microphones.
I haven't taped the last 3 PJ shows I went to (2000-2003) just because you
can buy
soundboard CD's of the shows for $15 each, and it's worth it to me so I can
be
sloppy and do things like go pee when I want and not have to yell at drunk
asses.
But....I think the policy is a bit out of date or unreasonable. I sent off
an email to
the rumor pit folks ( OfTheSea@aol.com or DigitalKat@aol.com ) asking that
they
mention to someone to revamp their current Taping/Camera policy to include
the
21st century. I think with PJ selling official concert recordings for $15,
they don't
have to worry about overpriced CD bootlegs appearing in stores anytime soon
because
of the occasional DAT recording being traded.
~jay
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From: acffh <morst@tds.net>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #746- re: velcro!
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 06:35:10 -0500
Cringe? Hardly! The only drawback to velcro is that RIPPING sound
when you have to separate it. Don't do THAT in the middle of a quiet
taping section. . .
But since you mention it, be sure to use the EXTRA STRENGTH VELCRO.
It comes in packs of 4" strips. I got a pack at my large local chain
drugstore. Following instructions, apply to a clean surface, and let
it set for 24 hours before putting any weight on it. (Neck strap,
huh??? Hmmm)
I suggest placing the "Hook" side of the velcro on the bit mapper's
bottom, and the tape deck's bottom, and the "Loop" side on the top of
the mapper. This way they will stick together, and the bottom of the
mapper will stick to carpeting or the inside of a backpack and not
tend to flop around inside your taping bag so much.
A few of us even built thin plywood frames for our taping rigs, and
put the Velcro "loops" on our frames, so we could stick our
mapper-deck combos to a little "shelf" in an oversized waist bag.
This has the effect of aiming the deck's backlit level meters at the
eyeballs of the recordist, which is a nice move. Sony put the meter
on the big flat side of the d8 and d100, not the thin edge, so you
have to look at the flat side to see your levels. . . may as well
have them aimed at your face.
I also Velcro'd the bottom of my preamp (Beyer MV100) with the HOOK
side, now it sticks to loops on it's mounting board when I need it to.
-tom
ps- and the scott eVest looks pretty cool, but does it really have
enough room for a preamp and bit mapper, or just a deck?
From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU
Subject: re: velcro!
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
> Some people will probably cringe at this, but I covered the entire
>bottom of my M1 and the top of my MP2 with Velcro, and I stick them
>together and carry them on a neck strap.
that's a pretty creative solution!
i've always used a fanny pack, myself, though i've been tempted to
buy an eVest...anyone care to offer comments on those?
-rand0m
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From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: cdr mastering
Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:52:03 -0500 (CDT)
On Thu, 22 May 2003 randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU wrote:
> no argument from me about normalizing (go for it! but don't overdo it with
> the compression, of course).
>
> but i respectfully disagree with wayne about fading cds.
> i find it a real buzz-kill to have them cut at the end.
> it's not like it takes *that* much more time to add overlapping
> fade-in and fade-out tracks to a cd, so that
> (1) you can patch things together seamlessly by omitting the overlap tracks
> (2) you can listen and not be jarred by the sudden stop/start of music
> that doesn't fade out/in ....
That I woudn't be opposed to. I just feel that I'm getting ripped-off
if I trade for music that isn't all there. By fading out a section that
was not faded on the master, you are permanently degrading all future
copies made from that lineage. In the future when DVD audio becomes the
norm, then this will be as much an issue to DVD traders as it is to me
(I shy away from non-dat trades these days for that very reason).
>
> ...and i'm really surprised to hear that anyone would go to the trouble
> of moving cdr material onto dat, given the fragility of that medium.
Frankly, I don't have a CD player except in my vehicles (and even then,
I find that I play my M1 through the line-in jack of my CD player a
lot). I use my DAT player in my home system as most would use a CD
player. I disagree that it is a fragile medium too. If you keep your
equipment properly maintained, there is no appreciable degrigation to
the media nor to the equipment. Some of my favorites have been played
dozens or possibly hundreds of times and are still error free. I have
CD-R's that have never been played, and have been stored cleanly, yet
show signs of degrigation when extracting for trades. I think that as
time goes on, people are going to realize that those 10 cent CD-R's they
though were such a great deal are going to be anything but. There's
now even a bacterial threat to CD's. We'll have to wait and see how
DVD[-,+,R,RW,whatever] holds up, but for my money, DAT is currently the
best medium for my masters. YMMV.
>
> -rand0m
>
--
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wayne@hoxnet.com
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From: Chris Hickman <twoheadedboy@stonepool.com>
Subject: Re: pearl jam info
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:53:21 -0500
Definitely not, especially considering that they professionally mix and
master every one of their tour shows for sale at the price of $14.95 for
most people, $12.95 for tenclub members ( www.pearljambootlegs.com
)...why would they want everybody and their brother plugging into the
soundboard?
Chris
> From: "taperroy" <taperroy@powerlynk.com>
> Subject: pearl jam info
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:37:45 -0500
>
> how has taping been going for these guys?? i know their stance regarding
> "external mics, pre-amps,and dat decks" just wondering if they have
loosened
> their stance at all.....
> also-- it was reported in a local entertainment magazine , that they
were
> going to allow sbd access for fans. i have a chance to buy a seat right
> next to the mix position at alpine valley,,,,, and was kinda thinkin
about
> trying it.... and standing there with a sheepish grin, and an xlr
patch cord
> ....
>
> any info gratefully appreciated
> taperroy
From: 520078325885-0001@t-online.de (Dirk Stelzer)
Subject: ISO: Sonosax SX-M2 preamp
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:00:37 +0200
First of all a big thank you to everybody who replied to my last post regarding
the choice of preamp for my rig. Having taken all your info and advice into
consideration i have decided to invest in an even better preamp than the MP2 and
MV-100: the Sonosax SX-M2. The size of all three units is comparable especially
the length but i like the fact that the Sonosax is smaller in width and height.
Granted the MV-100 has a plastic chassis which makes it easier to get through
metal detector wands but most of the times you're only being patted down at shows
in Germany so this point can be neglected. The biggest disadvantage of the Beyer
is the minimum of 20db gain which is too much for my DPA 4061 since they send a
hot signal. As for the MP2 i only heard positive comments so far with one
exception: in a real stealth situation the convenience factor seems to be the
weak point. the Sonosax seems to have all i need for my rig, 0-76db gain, the
cinch line out is on the same side as the mic ins, it's a small unit, has a LC
filter and sound quality is at least as good as for MP2 and MV-100. How much is
the dynamic range with the Sonosax?
So if any of you have a Sonosax SX-M2 with manual they want to get rid of make me
a reasonable offer.
Thanks
Dirk
From: Rockcat <rockcat@bigplanet.com>
Subject: Re: What's Normal?
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:17:23 -0400
> But give two people the same recording equipment and they are likely
> to make recordings that are different in fundamental ways, even from
> the same source. The source recording is not the finished product
> and it isn't meant to be the finished product. The finished product
> is what matters. Recorded sound, like a photograph is based on an
> idea and is a sort of idealized reality... a reality that is meant
> to appeal as much to your mind's ear as it is to your ear.
I don't disagree with this statement. However, with regards to
normalization, compression, equalization, etc., I feel that most people
on this list want to make these choices themselves and not have them
made for them, not even by the person who made the master recording.
That's why this is DAT-Heads and not CDR-Heads. Most of us want clones
of the raw unadulterated master recordings, so that we can then "apply
parsley, sage, rosemary or thyme, and season to our own personal
tastes."
rockcat
From: Ken Loge <kenl@ori.org>
Subject: Normalizing a Signal
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:45:47 -0700
I used to normalize my recordings right up to 0 dB. Now I leave a little
headroom and normalize only up to -0.2 dB for mastering processes, etc.
that may need to be done later. I also often use a "look ahead" peak limiter
with the Alesis Masterlink and/or the Waves mastering tools with my DAT
recordings, but of course it depends on the type of recording. Peak limiting
is great for voiceover or vocal recordings where there may be a lot of
noticeable amplitude inconsistencies, but for field and nature recording it
can make the noise floor too audible. I would certainly rather have the
problem of needing to boost the overall amplitude of a recording that have +
0 dB clips!
- Ken
Ken Loge
http://www.ori.org/~kenl
From: Brandon <brandont_h@nexicom.net>
Subject: Re: Newbie soundboard > d8 Questions
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:47:49 -0400
> From: "Karl Schneider" <karl.p.schneider@rose-hulman.edu>
> Subject: Newbie soundboard > d8 Questions
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:24:54 -0500
>
> I just received my first dat (tcd-d8) and am planning on taping a show
> early next month. This band is very taper friendly, enough to grant
> soundboard patches. Last time I taped them, I used my minidisc, which
> experienced a large brickwalling problem. My questions is what should I
> do to ensure my D8 doesn't have this problem with the line being too
> hot. I have read some D8 pre-amp discussion, most referring to
> microphones. Any suggestions concerning pre-amps or input modifications
> or settings, to ensure this isn't a problem, would be appreciated.
>
> Karl
I have a D8 and I was asking some friends about this recently because I had
the opportunity to get a soundboard patch and I wanted to make sure the
tape turned out. Most people I spoke to said that plugging directly into
my line in would be fine, and that the board feed probably wouldn't be hot
enough to exceed 0db or brickwall once I had my levels set on the
recorder. Unfortunately this was not the case. While I had my levels set
so that the feed didn't exceed 0db, there is quite a lot of crackling at
various points through the tape, especially on snare drum and vocals. If I
remember correctly, I had the record level set around 2.5 or 3, which on a
D8 is supposedly not a favorable setting. Therefore, from my experience,
I'd suggest using a -20db attenuator cable. That way you'll be able to
turn your level up higher on the recording and hopefully not suffer any
weird crackling or disturbances. That would be my assumption, at
least. Correct me if I'm wrong.
-Brandon
From: richard turnure <rturnure@yahoo.com>
Subject: elliott smith
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:36:25 -0700 (PDT)
does anyone know elliott smith's position on taping?
or security at maxwell's in hoboken and northsix in
brooklyn? thnx, r
From: "john e. bogus" <mallness@surfbest.net>
Subject: security at RFK stadium, near DC....
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:42:30 -0400
Does anyone know what security procedures are at RFK stadium near DC? I
plan to tape a show there tomorrow (Saturday), and need to know asap if
there is a door search.....how stealth do I need to be at the door? Anyone
know? If I can get a good, detailed description of what happens at the
door, that would be MUCH appreciated.....
TIA,
john e. bogus
From: "Jamie Lutch" <jlutch@altairinc.com>
Subject: RE: Question for Schoeps STC(ortf) bar users
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:07:25 -0700
Its pretty easy to make an superior ortf bar from the schoeps SG20 swivel
clips, and a short piece of 3/4" pvc rod (I have 8' of this, and can send
you a piece b&p style) if you need it. What you need to do is tap the ends
of this bar and screw in two short 3/8" studs. Then the sg20s screw right on
the sides, and it is suspended the same way as an ortf bar ina schoeps shoch
mount.
These should fit neumann ak40/50 caps as well.
I've been using this setup for awhile. The caps are spaced at 17cm, and I
can adjust the angle , and run din (90) ortf(110), or even more narrow
patterns for hypers at the back of an arena, etc. less than half the price
of an ortf bar and far more useful.
note that due to spacing issues you cant use full bodies with ortf, only
actives, but you probably knew that
From: "Alex Coluzzi" <alex@kabella.org>
Subject: Anyone need a "Reutelhuber" style box for discrete recording adventures?
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:22:41 -0700
For use with Schoeps MK capsules. Custom length active cables included.
Drop me a line and we'll talk more,
alex@kabella.org
From: Dgowc1st@aol.com
Subject: SEARCHING FOR JAZZFEST STUFF....
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:30:04 -0400
in particular, i just read a review of the les clypool and buckethead show, Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains.
http://www.jambase.com/headsup.asp?storyID=3786
it simply sounds insane. i would LOVE to hear it; if your up for it, please drop me a line.
dat, cdr, even lowly cassette if you wanna tease me, but anything would be great.
please hook me if you can.
thanks in advance
mike ahern
From: "Joe Sweetser" <sweets@rootgroup.com>
Subject: FS: 2 Bonnaroo tickets
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:44:26 -0600
Got a friend who can't go and is looking to unload 2 tickets. He told =
me
$300 for the pair...which I think is below face. If interested, please
email me (sweets@rootgroup.com) and I'll give you more info (ie - his =
phone
#).
BWT: Trey, Asheville, Halloween 2002 Oktava MC012 (Hyper) > PS-2 > =
AD-20 >
DAP1
B&P only for DAT (1 90m, 1 60m), B&P or trade for CD (3 CDs). For =
this,
please email me at sweetser@greenspeedisp.net
From: "Greg Lance" <gotfob@hotmail.com>
Subject: fs apogee ad 1000
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:49:40 -0700
For Sale
Apogee AD 1000, sn#234, Revision C
Unit has had the word clock replaced, Comes with 15 pin breakout cable
that has 2 spdif outs, 2 12v eco batteries and eco 12v charger. No
scrathes or blemishes of any kind. $700........buyer pays shipping.
Thanks,
Greg
gotfob@hotmail.com
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From: "Steve Mew" <paragon_of_virtue@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO:I mother Earth tapes
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:11:42 -0700
Looking for Edwin-era I mother Earth tapes. And only if you have
source/mic/deck info and can verify digital lineage.
have lots of like artists and suprisingly a post ime edwin-solo show.
http://members.tripod.com/New_Jack/list.txt
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From: "rush Trader" <rushtrader@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zefiro ZA2 cheap
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:45:05 -0400
Zefiro ZA-2 with the XLR/RCA cable
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2731994511
No minimum.
No reserve.
It's a great card but I no use for it any more.
RT
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