DAT-heads Digest #753, Volume #6 Thu, 29 May 03 14:50:01 EDT Contents: re: HQ cables (Nick Georges) Re: ISO New Monsoon tapers cable recommendation needed ("James B. Wilkinson") 1/8" angle plug for plugging in stealth rig ISO! (Jonathan) Gig bags? ("Stephen Pzynski") Procol Harum (Tom Cavanaugh) Led Zep uses bootleg source material ("Charles Quinn") McCartney ALD's ("Dan Speter") listening to FM (randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU) Looking for used Tascam DAP1 (sound seducer) Re: Soundboard/mic matrix help ("Stanley W. Smith") FS: Sound Devices MP-2 + 6v Eco-Charge ("Bendes, Richard") ISO recent beck, have recent beck to trade! (pwking) re: HQ cables (Liam Sean Kennedy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nick Georges Subject: re: HQ cables Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:35:29 -0400 "snake oil" ... I love it. i've always been skeptical of cable quality and how it affects recording. I keep coming back to some certain points though..... - in hi-end audio (as in audiophile stereo compnants), the quality of interconnects (often xlr) is very apparrent and easily heard through whatever high end gear you have. the difference between $100 speaker cable and $500 cable is easy to hear. Now, what would be so different in a recording chain? Its all still analog signals, not much different than carrying a signal in a playback system. Using this approach, I can easily understand how the quality of cable can affect the recording. There are other very HQ cables out there besides Audio Magic. I reccomend checking out Zaolla. You want to talk about beefy cable...wow! Any way, I think analog cables do make a difference. Especialy when you are talking about longer lengths. Another thing to ponder is that you really need a playback system capable of resolving these differences in order to really give a rats ass...I suppose. now, cables in the digital domain....I dont buy the theory that one is better than another. bits are bits, they are either "there" or "not there". There is no better 1001100 stream due to a more expensive cable. If that were the case, then there would be all different classes of CAT-5 cable...and there really isn't. After all, binary is binary be it a PCM stream or TCP/IP (for example). There may be basic quality concerns about how the cable is made, how rugged, etc, but the signal is the same no matter what. If anyone would like to offer a compelling arguement against any of this, I'm all ears. I'm not saying I know better one way or another, I just have my own points of view and I'd love to hear someone elses. So, why would the top of the line audio magic cable be snake oil...exactly? ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: ISO New Monsoon tapers Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:40:14 -0400 This is a good band - well worth seeing. They made quite a buzz on the dcheads list. I have KM143(ORTF)->V2->SBM1->DAT(48)->CDRW700->CD of the Alexandria VA show on my HD right now. I'll take a few B&Ps. 1 disc. (it was just one set that night) ------------------------------ From: "James B. Wilkinson" Subject: cable recommendation needed Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:48:10 -0400 A small group of us here are interested in getting bits from some DAT's into an Alesis MasterLink ML-9600. The only DAT machine we have available is the same Sony D-100 that the tapes were recorded with. Can some of you recommend a cable that will work in this situation? There are some 7-pin cables available pretty cheap, but I'm not sure they would work here. The real Sony 7-pin cables seem to cost nearly enough to buy a DAT machine on eBay that wouldn't need the 7-pin cable at all. Any help much appreciated. Thanks -- ============================================================= Jimmy Wilkinson | Professor of Computer Science jimmy@cs.CofC.edu | The College of Charleston (843) 953-8160 | Charleston SC 29424 http://www.cs.cofc.edu/~jimmy If there is one word to describe me, that word would have to be "profectionist". Any form of incompitence is an athema to me. Metathesis??? Don't ax me. Just between you and I, the grammar used by Americans have gone to hell. ------------------------------ From: Jonathan Subject: 1/8" angle plug for plugging in stealth rig ISO! Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Howdy, My Sanken mics (thanks to Kato Masato's guidance) are wired up with a little box I made. The only complaint I have of my job is that I employed a right-angle 1/8" stereo plug that strains the jack too much--especially in a stealth situation. The Sonic studios modified $2 capsules have an excellent sort of epoxy molded plug on the end. Where can I get a very low profile right angle plug to keep the strain on this fragile jack to a minimum? Thanks, Jonathan ===== ---Please visit Elmer, our lost pooch from Iowa. He's gone but not forgotten--- http://www.ladywind.com/bxrpages/elmer.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Stephen Pzynski" Subject: Gig bags? Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:26:57 -0500 Anyone have experience with Rok Sak Gizmo Bags? They seem pretty durable in pictures but I can't tell if they'll give me enough wiggle room for all of my gear. I'll be carrying 2 mics, DA-P1, preamp, cables, 2 batteries and a bunch of other small accessories. Any other suggestions for soft cases? I don't want to go hard if I don't have to. :) Thanks... Steve "It's not getting any smarter out there. You have to come to terms with stupidity and make it work for you." -FZ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ From: Tom Cavanaugh Subject: Procol Harum Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:14:48 -0400 Hello Heads, Has anyone recorded or obtained shows from Procol's current tour? Especially their gigs from the Bottom Line in NY. and the TLA in Phila. If so, please check out my web site and contact me for a possible trade. http://home.att.net/~meurglys3/index.html Tom ------------------------------ From: "Charles Quinn" Subject: Led Zep uses bootleg source material Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:52:50 -0700 From the Los Angeles Times. Like how they approached the tapers for source material, if everyone were so enlightened. I would sure find it an honor to get credit in a Zep liner note. Chuck Quinn May 27, 2003 Metal gold for Led fans New CD and DVD packages -- including vintage concert footage -- revive the sounds of one of the most vital rock forces of the '70s. By Jon Matsumoto, Special to The Times Two weeks ago, former Led Zeppelin member John Paul Jones attended the London premier of the late rock band's two-disc concert DVD, "Led Zeppelin DVD." To his surprise and amusement, the bass and keyboard player felt a bit like a teenager experiencing his first Zeppelin concert. "I actually let out a cheer with everyone else in the theater at the end of 'Moby Dick,' " Jones says with a laugh. "It was nice to actually see a Led Zeppelin gig [as a fan], because at the time I was always working! I had forgotten how tight we were as a band. The live music works so well on DVD because of [the format's 5.1] surround sound. It puts you right in the first row." To a host of Led Zeppelin fans, today's release of the 5 1/2-hour DVD set — along with a separately packaged, three-CD offering of live music from the quartet titled "How the West Was Won" — represents the arrival of Christmas seven months early. The crux of the two-DVD set revolves around footage from three performances in England: a Royal Albert Hall show in 1970, an Earls Court concert in 1975 and a Knebworth Festival show in 1979. Led Zeppelin was without question one of the most dominant rock acts of the '70s. The British outfit has sold approximately 200 million albums worldwide, an astounding number for a band that released nine albums during its life span, between 1968 and 1980. (The band dissolved shortly after the death of drummer John Bonham.) While the group was adept at delivering acoustic folk music, it played an indispensable role in establishing a heavy-metal template that would influence countless bands and musicians. But until now, the only officially available visual documentation of the media-shy band had been the 1976 concert film "The Song Remains the Same." The movie captures the band on stage at New York City's Madison Square Garden in 1973. For 21 years, the soundtrack to "The Song Remains the Same" was also the only official audio representation of Led Zeppelin on stage. In 1997, the group released a two-CD package of live material from 1969 titled "BBC Sessions." The latest Led Zeppelin offerings are especially welcome by disc jockey Gary Moore, who devotes a half-hour to the band every weekday at 4 p.m. on KLOS-FM (95.5). "The band is much more 'on' in 'How the West Was Won' compared to 'The Song Remains the Same' soundtrack. And they turn it up a notch compared to what you hear on the 'BBC Sessions,' " says Moore, who as a teenager traveled four hours with friends from his home in Kentucky to see the band play in St. Louis in 1975. Moore is not only playing material from "How the West Was Won" on his "Whole Lotta Led" radio segment, but also tracks from the new DVD set. He also continues to present occasional songs from bootleg recordings of Led Zeppelin concerts. (A very active bootleg industry has existed around the band for years, due in part to the dearth of officially available concert recordings.) For ex-Led Zeppelin vocalist Robert Plant and Jones, the 1972 Los Angeles and Long Beach shows that are captured in part on "How the West Was Won" represent the band at its live peak. Los Angeles was also a favorite destination spot for the band. "1972 was a particularly great year for us," Plant says. "We were right on top of what we were up to." "The recording quality is pretty good [on 'How the West Was Won'], but the performance quality is really, really excellent," Jones enthuses. "It may have had to do with the fact that the tours used to end up on the West Coast. So we would have been playing three or four weeks solid by the time we got there. Plus, there's something about the weather in Los Angeles [that's invigorating], especially for a Brit." "Led Zeppelin DVD" and "How the West Was Won" were set into motion after former band guitarist Jimmy Page discovered that the Royal Albert Hall film footage from 1970 was about to be auctioned off. Until then, the band had mistakenly thought it had legal ownership over the professionally shot silent footage. With the urgent knowledge of how little visual documentation there was of Led Zeppelin, Page negotiated to purchase the rights to the film several years ago before it could be sold to the highest bidder. Restoring the Royal Albert Hall film proved to be a painstaking process for numerous reasons. Part of it involved the three remaining group members converging to help sync an existing audio recording of the performance with the silent film footage. "The band got together and we looked at these nine cans of silent footage of the Royal Albert Hall concert," explains Page. "The best way [to sync the audio and visual aspects of the show] was for each of us to identify what we were playing. [When you're looking at silent film footage of a concert] it might look like the first verse, but if you're playing the bass, for example, it could actually have been the fourth verse." Page, Plant and Jones subsequently decided to broaden the scope of the DVD project. The trio not only added performances from Earls Court and Knebworth, but also some previously unreleased footage from the "Song Remains the Same" film, TV performances, interviews and promotional clips. A small amount of bootleg material was even used to help bring a different point of view to the DVD. "I've got all these things that are available on bootleg," Page says. "But I really needed to get to the source, the people who had the first-generation versions. We had to contact these people without getting them nervous because they could have run a mile and hidden all their stuff, thinking they were going to get busted. So we really had to do some sensitive negotiations. So, for example, we got a hold of some original Super 8 footage from Madison Square Garden and some [fan] footage from Knebworth." When Atlantic Records, the band's label, asked for a soundtrack to the DVD, Page suggested putting out live material from the '72 Los Angeles and Long Beach shows instead. The DVD and CD projects have sparked rumors that Page, Plant and Jones might reunite for some live performances. Page and Plant toured and released several albums together in the '90s. But the convergence onstage of all three members would represent a more authentic Zeppelin reunion. "I don't know if it would work in this century," Plant says. "You're talking about a lot of years later. I'm sure it would be evocative for people in the crowd, but I don't know if we could do it [properly]." Page is a bit more optimistic. "None of us has actually discussed re-forming," he says. "If we got back in a room and played a Led Zeppelin number and there were smiles behind our eyes, then maybe it could be possible. Until that happens, it's hypothetical. I wouldn't discount it. I just don't know." ------------------------------ From: "Dan Speter" Subject: McCartney ALD's Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:02:17 -0400 Anyone out there have any McCartney ALD's other than the commonly circulating Atlanta, Tampa, DC and Chicago? I'm looking for more! -all the best! Dan ------------------------------ From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU Subject: listening to FM Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:07:12 -0700 (PDT) interesting article Klay! must be part of the reason that I'm less and less comfortable listening to the radio in my car...it's just not as satisfactory as playing my own cdrs. anyways, anyone have suggestions for expanding the dynamic range of material recorded off FM? is it worth the trouble? -rand0m ------------------------------ From: sound seducer Subject: Looking for used Tascam DAP1 Reply-To: sound_seducer@muchomail.com Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:40:29 -0700 (PDT) $1700 *new* is a little taxing on the wallet. I've seen used units go for about half (or less). Anyone have any leads or know of anyone willing to sell? Ryan _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ------------------------------ From: "Stanley W. Smith" Subject: Re: Soundboard/mic matrix help Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 01:25:37 -0500 Hey, "You want good, fast, or cheap? Pick two..." ;) A reasonable compromise is the TCE D*2, listing around $500, probably street priced in the $3- 400 range... You're not going to find much that's workable and will just do time correction without adding colouration, reverb, or other unwanted artifacts to your signal... You're not gonna' fine that sweet KT delay for much less than a grand... Might I suggest either an onstage mic pair with no delay on the SBD, or stripe two tapes (one of the SBD source and another of the AUD source) for later reassembly in Pro Tools? There's also the trick with double inputting a P1, which will work fine for an onstage pair/SBD combo provided you have some way to gain both signal pairs before you hit the deck. (Take the mic pre out to the XLR line ins, & the SBD to the RCAs provided you have level & impedance matched for each...) Another alternative might be one of the newer digital mini-studios... some of the specs look impressive. Anyone with any experience on these? Stan Smith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Zach Sheeran" Subject: Soundboard/mic matrix help Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:46:29 -0400 Hi all. I have the opportunity to run a matrix at a festival this week end but have no experience with it. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive delay for mics. Any advice is greatly appreciated! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 05/13/2003 ------------------------------ From: "Bendes, Richard" Subject: FS: Sound Devices MP-2 + 6v Eco-Charge Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:16:54 -0700 Sound Devices MP-2 -Very minor paint ware -Modified by SD to accept rechargeables -Recently given a clean bill of health by SD -Gain knobs tightened by SD -Power Cable (see below) Eco-Charge SIGMA PLUS Battery System (Used Once) -6 volt, 7.2 Ah Battery -66-A 6 volt charger -Padded carrying case -MP-2 Power Cable -M1/D100 4.5v power Cable $600 for both =20 This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna ------------------------------ From: pwking Subject: ISO recent beck, have recent beck to trade! Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:03:03 -0700 (PDT) i'd like to hook up and swap with anyone who's rolled or rolling recent beck shows with high end rigs. here's what i pulled last night: Beck 5-28-03 Wolftrap Vienna VA mbho 603a/ka200n > sonosax sxm2 > d8 @ 48k. FOB, sounds righteous. (oh, dashboard confessional opened. got that as well.) don't write me if you're only going to grovel for a clone, ok? i just want to hook up with other beck / dashboard tapers. thanks.... ===== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ web: http://home.nyc.rr.com/pedroworld AIM: sleepypedro ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Liam Sean Kennedy Subject: re: HQ cables Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:12:55 -0400 --On Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:35 PM -0400 Nick Georges=20 wrote: > - in hi-end audio (as in audiophile stereo compnants), the quality of > interconnects (often xlr) is very apparrent and easily heard through > whatever high end gear you have. the difference between $100 speaker > cable and $500 cable is easy to hear. This is not something where consensus is possible... but its definitely=20 important to use quality, well-built, and well-maintained interconnects.=20 Beyond that people need to experiment for themselves to choose what is=20 important. I do have some experience with the whole audiophile gig and I use fairly=20 basic wire at this stage. My personal conclusions were - the various wires did make an audible difference, although it was=20 difficult to get the exact conditions to determine that (for example making = sure SPL levels - a friend loaned me multi-thousand $$ MIT interconnects which made my=20 system sound lifeless - when I came down to the actual comparisons, I felt any difference was=20 small enough that I wasn't going to sit down and listen to a nice recording = and say 'oh my system sounds like $$XX today, I must have the star-quad in' = ... the differences, real, subjective, or psycho-acoustical, were apparent=20 in comparison not quantitative differences - as a taper, I do like the experiment a bit... so sometimes its fun to=20 borrow someone's cables that cost more than my car, or swap something new=20 into the chain... maybe it will make a difference, maybe not... but it=20 makes it interesting and I make sure to document it for someone who likes=20 the sound and wants to duplicate the setup So this said. Paying decent money for good cable with a guarantee and=20 spending a bit more if you think it will stand up on the road is clearly=20 valuable. Searching out "used" designer cable to save a few bucks might be = counter-productive... if its been used on the road there has probably been=20 some stress (mechanical or chemical) on the various components which could=20 degrade the sound. Lastly, a tape made with cheap mics and radio-shack cables in the sweet=20 spot is gonna sound better than fancy rigs in the wrong location... worry=20 most about placement, skill is something we can control. Se=E1n ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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