DAT-heads Digest #754
Contents:
Re: Soundboard/mic matrix help
change ("Neil Sturtevant")
HQ Cables,etc.. (Comnaround@aol.com)
Ahhh Cables (Klay Anderson)
Re: Cheap delays ("Gary Davis")
dalai lama - taper friendly? ("Robert Hundertmark")
FS: Bonnarroo Ticket $130 ("Hevron, John-Ryan")
FS: Denon DRM 700 (Keith Bode)
FS: core sound binaural stealth mics ("cps .")
once-used DATs for sale ("Mark Weygandt")
Waifs/Dylan recordings? (Halesbop@aol.com)
b & p offer: JAMC 3-18-85 Riot Gig (GaoBest@aol.com)
weird US taping plea: Modern Talking, Even As We Speak (GaoBest@aol.com)
FS:BOSTON - Mohegan Sun, CT 08Jun03 (Hendu)
Last chance for cheap ZA-2 ("rush Trader")
Update -- PDAudio: 24-bit/192 KHz Portable DAT Replacement
HOBstock "cancelled............?" (Schwigiddy)
From: <mcmiller@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Soundboard/mic matrix help
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:46:19 -0400
Why would you bother doing the matrix mix in the field?
Record the SBD and audience sources to two machines, then sync and mix on your PC when you get home. You won't have delay induced artifacts and you will have an opportunity to try diffent blends of the sources. If your field mix is not exactly right, you can't fix it later.
From: "Neil Sturtevant" <esteyes@cox.net>
Subject: change
Reply-To: <esteyes@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:06:47 -0700
please remove my work addresses:
neil@directed.com
neil.sturtevant@directed.com
from your addy books.
i am no longer associated with Directed Electronics, Inc.
Neil Sturtevant
"shadowboxing the apocalypse,
wandering the land"
From: Comnaround@aol.com
Subject: HQ Cables,etc..
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:03:41 -0400
I have been very happy with my Luminous cables both at home and with my rig. I use a special XLR set of the Monarchs
http://luminousaudio.com/interconnect/monarchsig.html
between my 4011s and V2 I use the XLR version of the Sychstra Signature Interconnects between my V2 and 2K
http://luminousaudio.com/interconnect/synchestrasig.html
The primariy focus of this company is for home audio but I've been using them with my rig for over two years and could not be happier with the results. If you contact them you can get stuff made just for taping. My only affiliation with this company is that one of the owners is a friend and I have spent a fair amount of money now on cables for my rig and for my home system with them.
I had a lose neutrix connector back in January and ran some of the canary cables for Phish in Hampton and while still feeling really subjective about this whole thing I believe I really missed hearing the sound of the Monarchs between the 4011s and V2.
Mark Lynn
From: Klay Anderson <klay@klay.com>
Subject: Ahhh Cables
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:32:26 -0600
Nick Georges <nick@nickspicks.com>
Subject: re: HQ cables
Brought up:
> - in hi-end audio (as in audiophile stereo components), the quality of
> interconnects (often xlr) is very apparent and easily heard through whatever
> high end gear you have. the difference between $100 speaker cable and $500
> cable is easy to hear.
>
Depends. I have instigated blind tests that prove this very wrong. So much
is based on overall system resolution and the listeners ability to "hear"
his investment--by God, if he paid US$1000 for those cables, he is gonna
hear a friggin' improvement! They sold a lot of green markers this way. I
suggest the old trick of wiring half your system with the old stuff and the
other half with the new stuff. Use the balance control to A-B them.
Simple.
I own mics that are about US$30 grand each. OLD mics; very good mics. I
asked my close and personal friend Mr. Ray Kimber (see Kimber Kable) for a
set of XLR cables for them; he sent me pure silver. Never sent them back;
at US$100 per foot, they do make a difference.
> I reccomend checking out Zaolla. You want to talk about beefy cable...wow!
> Any way, I think analog cables do make a difference. Especially when you are
> talking about longer lengths.
Great cables! Correct, but perhaps due to capacitance. However, at low
impedances, the difference will be minimal.
> Another thing to ponder is that you really need a playback system capable of
> resolving these differences in order to really give a rats ass...I suppose.
Yepper. One also needs a system of good resolution to make a call on final
processing, EQ and balance. Using headphones or toy computer speakers won't
cut it.
> now, cables in the digital domain....I dont buy the theory that one is better
> than another. bits are bits, they are either "there" or "not there". There
> is no better 1001100 stream due to a more expensive cable. If that were the
> case, then there would be all different classes of CAT-5 cable...and there
> really isn't. After all, binary is binary be it a PCM stream or TCP/IP (for
> example). There may be basic quality concerns about how the cable is made, how
> rugged, etc, but the signal is the same no matter what.
We are back to capacitance and distance affecting timing errors at the
receiver, but in this day and age, it is dealt with very convincingly. Now
it is important to note that different cables are designed for different
interconnects. Please don't use CAT-5 for that 500-foot run to your
mastering D-to-A.
Then:
From: Liam Sean Kennedy <liam@fedney.org>
Subject: re: HQ cables
Stated with some wisdom:
> Lastly, a tape made with cheap mics and radio-shack cables in the sweet spot
> is gonna sound better than fancy rigs in the wrong location... worry most
> about placement, skill is something we can control.
Yea, verily.
Thanks!
--
Regards,
Klay Anderson, D.A.,Q.B.E.
Klay Anderson Audio, Inc.
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: "Gary Davis" <g@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: Cheap delays
Reply-to: g@hoxnet.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:47:29 -0700
I have to disagree a bit...
I've used an Alesis MidiVerb 4 for many years as a delay unit.
I'm not a "golden ears" person, but to my ears the sound is A-OK.
The main drawback to this unit: the software is way too
complicated, ie, it can do about 2**18 more things than just a
delay, so it takes a little work to find and/or program a simple delay
with nothing else going on. Then, once you get there, it has a
horrible feature that you separately set the delay time for each
digit, ie, ms, 10ms, 100ms are dialed in separately, so "dialing in"
a delay time by ear is not as easy as if it was a continuous
counter. (This explaination isn't as clear as it could be, but if you
buy one you'll see what I mean!)
The MidiVerb 4 was about $300 when Alesis was still in business.
I imagine you could get a used one for well under $200.
Alesis also made a QuadraVerb which does "even more", and a
MicroVerb which does much less.
Note there were also models of the MidiVerb earlier than "4" and
some of these did *not* have full 22Khz frequency response, so
watch out...
--G
From: "Robert Hundertmark" <RJHundertmark@dmb.com>
Subject: dalai lama - taper friendly?
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:16:28 -0400
only half kidding here.
I've got tickets for the Fleet Center, I know he's
doing four nights at the Beacon, two at MIT.
should be some precious stuff, especially in=20
this day and age.
I read a book by Thich Naht Hahn - really a transcript of a talk he gave =
at some prison. One of his entourage had a tape recorder which was taken =
from him on the way in, and somehow he got it back, recorded the talk, and =
without that, there would
be no recording.
unfortunately, they didn't give him back his
sonosax, so the low end lacks definition........
but anyway, this would be real cool stuff to=20
record and circulate. maybe make the world a=20
better place......
From: "Hevron, John-Ryan" <JohnRyan.Hevron@nick.com>
Subject: FS: Bonnarroo Ticket $130
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:23:56 -0400
My friend is getting married that weekend, so I can't go. Drop me a line if
you want a deal on a ticket.
J-R: johnryan.hevron@nick.com
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: FS: Denon DRM 700
Reply-To: t.tunakebo@verizon.net
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:14:00 -0700
Sorry for the OT post. I have been using a Denon DRM 700 3 head
cassette deck for doing transfers to CD. I bought it a while ago, and
have had it stored most of the time. Now with what I had to do with the
deck done, I am selling the deck. I had 2, and sold the other one a few
months ago, on this list. Now I'll part with this one. I doubt it has
more than 100 hours on it. It looks brand new, and it sounds
incredible. It doesn't have a scratch on it I have recorded a few CD's
to this deck, and some sound better than the CD. I don't have the
original box any more, but do have the original owners manual. The deck
has only been used in a smoke free environment. I'm asking $80 for the
deck, I should be able to ship it for $15. I don't have any need for a
3 head deck any more, and have a more basic 2 head deck that should meet
the occasional need to play a cassette. I can guarantee the deck will
arrive in excellent condition and play perfectly. it will also be insured.
Keith
From: "cps ." <carl_meow@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS: core sound binaural stealth mics
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:54:17 -0500
hello! i have core sound binaural stealth microphones
for sale... mics are in great shape and i am the original
owner... have made great head in the stack tapes with
these mics and can send mp3/whatever as examples... the
mics come with a switchable filter battery box - flat or
roll off... the mic capsules have no clips, i found it
was much easier to discretely mount mics without them...
i can suggest vendors who can provide clips if needed...
i'd like to get $170 or best offer... if not they go to
eblow... reason for selling: upgraded rig... thanks!
-c
cdr bwt:
- jarflys @ eastport clipper 1/24/03 csb>m1
- qotsa @ towson center arena 3/29/03 sm98>pmod>m1
- ween @ stone pony tent 5/25/03 sm98>pmod>sbm1>m1
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From: "Mark Weygandt" <mtwnet@hotmail.com>
Subject: once-used DATs for sale
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:40:46 -0400
I've finished my transfer project and am offering up my non-master DATs for
sale. These are a hodge-podge of various brands, but the predominent brands
are Maxell and Sony. There's 122 DATs in all, and I'd like to get $210 +
$15 shipping for the whole lot. I don't plan on splitting them up.
A list of what's on them is at http://home.rochester.rr.com/mtw/temp/
Inquiries to mtwnet@hotmail.com
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From: Halesbop@aol.com
Subject: Waifs/Dylan recordings?
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:51:59 EDT
Has anyone taped the Waifs opening for Dylan? I'm interested in trading for
any of their sets, and especially shows where the girls sang with Bob. Please
contact if you can help. thanks, Steve
bwt: The Be Good Tanyas @ Rocky Mtn Folks Fest 8/17/02. 1 cdr to first two
that reply
From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: b & p offer: JAMC 3-18-85 Riot Gig
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:42:02 EDT
Hey kids,
I finally have put this to CDR archived format. I hate to imagine how many
generations it is, but until I find the person who taped it and get a digital
clone, I'll settle for this. This is the complete 35 minute gig including
crowd riot (later used on Fierce Recordings' JAMC "Riot" 7"/CDsingle).
I can fill the CDR with a short (11:18) interview from '85, with a tiny spec
of a later interview.
These could be interesting for JAMC fans... or maybe it'll lead to someone
who has a digital copy off cassette master posting the recording information and
offering a better B&P for this list :-)
Anyway, CDR only - copied via itunes (1-track for the gig; 1-track for the
interview). Blank must be Japanese-made CDR only, with return address label.
Please don't use new padded envelopes - recycle the ones you get from other
traders.
hate mail to the usual address/
Mike xx
gaobest@aol.com
bwt: clare grogan 12-21-93 Earshot Session ("Winter Wonderland" & short
interview, total time 3:48) and Talulah Gosh 4 '86 demos (9 minutes), CDR only
From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: weird US taping plea: Modern Talking, Even As We Speak
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:46:23 EDT
Hi everyone,
This is a total long-shot, but is anyone going to tape Modern Talking (also
billed as Thomas Anders & the Band of Modern Talking) who perform at the Taj
Trump Mahal (Atlantic City) and somewhere in Chicago during the next few days?
Special guest is CC Catch. This is the first time these people are performing
in the US. It's about as rare as an American concert by fellow Germans
Alphaville.
Anyone who is planning to tape... well, I can't offer anything like this in
trade, but maybe can offer something else for trade/etc. This is about as
embarrassing as asking someone to tape Michael Bolton or Celine Dion (2 more
favorites), but I'm desperate.
Also, Australian indiepop darlings Even As We Speak perform in the US in
July, at least in San Francisco - anyone taping them this tour, please please let
me know - I've loads of 1987-1993 performances of Even As We Speak, almost all
are first generation cassettes off D6/D3/DAT masters. This is the first band
who did an acoustic cover of New Order's "Bizarre Love Triangle" but have
never received proper kudos for it. They also recorded with Sarah Records.
Thanks in advance/
Mike
gaobest@aol.com
bwt: Even As We Speak 1-25-92 Harlow Square (UK) - mixing desk recording!
Taped via Dickon & Tim from the infamous band Orlando (later Dickon's band
Fosca)...
From: Hendu <hendu2@newsguy.com>
Subject: FS:BOSTON - Mohegan Sun, CT 08Jun03
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 05:23:55 -0700 (PDT)
Two floor seats
I would love to go, but have an in-law wedding :<
Looking for face plus a clone of the show.
Rock on,
Hendu
From: "rush Trader" <rushtrader@hotmail.com>
Subject: Last chance for cheap ZA-2
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:43:10 -0400
ZA-2 on ebay with no reserve. It has less than 3 hours yet and is only at
$26.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2731994511&category=162&rd=1
Good chance to pick one up cheap!
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From: <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Update -- PDAudio: 24-bit/192 KHz Portable DAT Replacement
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:08:45 -0400 (EDT)
We've posted an update about PDAudio (our new 24/192 portable
digital audio recorder):
http://www.core-sound.com/HighResRecorderNews.html
Thanks to Brian Dipert for his article about PDAudio in the May 29th
issue of EDN Magazine. See the article here:
http://www.e-insite.net/ednmag/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA300033
And thanks to all for the high level of interest!
--
Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: Schwigiddy <gear4sale4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: HOBstock "cancelled............?"
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:50:09 -0700 (PDT)
can anyone help with info on
wether or not HOBstock IS or
IS NOT cancelled, thanx in advance
for any info i might recive.
Rick.
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