DAT-heads Digest #774
Contents:
Stereo Mixes (Klay Anderson)
* 1995 Luscious Jackson conversions ("Eric G. Postel \(home\)")
ISO SBM1 ("Onno J.R. Bakker")
acdc in germany ("Slipkid")
digi soundboards ("david gatewood")
ISO Chip Taylor ("peggy")
Re:Stereo Soundboards the norm? "I don't think so!" ("Benjamin Branch")
Re:did anyone tape Mike Keneally and/or Vernon Reid in Holland/Europe (Mathias Rombach)
The Dead on Letterman Thurs ("Gary Davis")
Fwd: [COtapers] Telluride XM Schedule (Joshua)
ISO: two lawn tix for 6-28 camden DEAD (Nick Georges)
ISO: beck 6-14-03 red rocks (pwking)
I.S.O. Steve Winwood set 6/18/03 (Mexminute@aol.com)
BlueGrass @ Telluride XM Schedule ("Tatina, Bill")
Have/Need Bonnaroo (Patrick Smith)
From: Klay Anderson <klay@klay.com>
Subject: Stereo Mixes
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:33:44 -0600
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re:Stereo Soundboards the norm? "I don't think so!"
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:20:29 -0700
>> Generally the PA is monaural, but the board may use the two main channels out
>> in some sort of two-channel configuration (not to be confused with stereo,
>> which is a R>L spread of channels deliberately panned to certain spots).
>>
Replied to the above:
> If you look at the Mackie site, and I believe Mackie is the largest
> manufacturer of SBD's used in clubs and tours, every channel has a L-R pan
> pot, all the boards are stereo, with L-R outputs also. On their larger boards
> there are multiple stereo outputs. I guess what becomes the question is what
> is the benefit of having true stereo mix at live events. I read the Rolling
> Stones Steel Wheels tour used 2 32 channel Mackie's, joined. If you pan
> certain instruments or vocals to one side or the other, the audience would not
> hear the entire sound being produced, unless they were in the sweet spot area.
First, no major act on a Stones level would be caught dead mixing FOH on a
Mackie, if I take your implied statement accurately. I can come up with
lots of accepted reasons, but a few are that they do not sound good, they
are fragile, they don't have required features or flexibility and they
generally have electronic limits that make them unusable for this level of
act. Now, for submixes that don't need handholding, for a keyboardist that
has a ton of inputs to deal with, for that performer that likes to mix his
or her own IEM mix, great, use a Mackie, they are disposable. Here is a
partial interview with their house engineer, Robbie McGrath.
http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_hot_licks/index.htm
Now as far as a stereo FOH mix, it is done all the time. I toured for
fifteen years with everyone from Billy Joel to Cheap Trick to the Osmonds
and a stereo mix is a really nice way to fill the house. *But* you can't
just start panning things left and right like a recording, you have to know
WTF you are doing. Let's just call this my "scalpel theory". Any idiot can
buy a sharp knife. Learning to use it takes time. Now your favorite act at
the local venue may not use stereo for a number of reasons. Mono is a lot
easier to deal with for most and not all grasp the concept of stereo subs if
that feature is even available.
Thanks!
--
Regards,
Klay Anderson, D.A.,Q.B.E.
Klay Anderson Audio, Inc.
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: "Eric G. Postel \(home\)" <ericpostel@compuserve.com>
Subject: * 1995 Luscious Jackson conversions
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:05:06 -0500
Converted soundboard recordings from June 11 Cleveland and June 23 NYC from
cassette to CDR. Can do a couple of quick trades. Send your trade list if
interested asap. will take off hard drive this weekend.
Eric
From: "Onno J.R. Bakker" <onnosr@bakker.info>
Subject: ISO SBM1
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:27:18 +0200
Hallo
I am looking for a ( modified) SMB1
modified to 24 bit and or modified to coax out.
Who wants to sell ??
Onno
(Rotterdam The Netherlands)
onnosr@bakkker.info
From: "Slipkid" <slipkid@voicenet.com>
Subject: acdc in germany
Reply-To: "Slipkid" <slipkid@voicenet.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:37:48 -0400
did anyone tape AC/DC's recent headline gigs in germany (last night in
munich or 6/9 in berlin)?
if so, i'd like to trade for 'em, loads to offer in return including their
roseland 3/11/03 gig + related filler
i'm also looking for any DAT sources of the current electric NEIL YOUNG +
CRAZY HORSE tour - any rusties out there?
thanks,
- jon -
slipkid@voicenet.com
BWT: an awesome GARY MOORE show from scotland 5/22/03 on CD-R to one lucky
"caller", he's doing mostly stuff from his old rock glory daze again! gazza
fans NEED this show :)
From: "david gatewood" <daveg_8@hotmail.com>
Subject: digi soundboards
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:11:09 +0000
Back in late '98, Showco, one of the largest live sound companies in the
world, introduced their Showconsole, a digital soundboard. Instead of
inputs/outputs going into the board, it features a separate I/O box with 165
inputs, and not sure how many outputs/aux's. It is ment for festival shows
where multiple bands can have all inputs/settings recalled instantly. Just
pop in the floppy, and your whole mix is recalled! This board allows 3 or 4
bands to have all inputs set, and allows instantaneous switchover between
bands, something that used to be THE MOST frustrating part of live sound.
Others have followed suit, as Tom pointed out.
Of course, many clubs/bar's will always run that 1978 Yamaha console that
sound like ass, but any club worth it's salt is using a much higher grade
board. Look around at the next festival you are at. Chances are they are
running a Yamaha PM4000, Gamble EX56, or one of nice Midas boards. Also,
many racks will include a DIGITAL finalizer, which may be plugged out of.
They are especially nice for bluegrass, as it keeps the dynamics in line a
little better. I did just that 2 weeks ago, so I know it can be done.
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From: "peggy" <peguine@madbbs.com>
Subject: ISO Chip Taylor
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:22:13 -0400
ISO Chip Taylor, especially fall 02 and 03 shows. Lots to trade.
Larry (Peguine@madbbs.com)
From: "Benjamin Branch" <benjamin@fullnet.net>
Subject: Re:Stereo Soundboards the norm? "I don't think so!"
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:55:10 -0500
>If you pan certain insturments or vocals to one side
>or the other, the audience would not hear the entire sound being
>produced, unless they were in the sweet spot area.
The question i would purpose would be this. If you were to actually have a
true stereo mix and 2 boards running at the same time. Would they cross pan
the stereo image. Example. Have one board 1 run vocals and bass out of the
right channel and drums and guitar out of the left channel, and then having
board 2 run the exact opposite of board 1. Is this even possible?
From: Mathias Rombach <rombachm@gmx.de>
Subject: Re:did anyone tape Mike Keneally and/or Vernon Reid in Holland/Europe
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:16:44 +0200
Hy,
I recorded him at the Waldsee, Freiburg, Germany on March 28th this
year.
Lineage:
PA-Soundboard, Neumann KM 184 > Behringer MX 802 Mixer > Revox B77 open
reel tape recorder (> Alesis Masterlink > CD-R).
I have also a recording with him and the band from last year in
Freiburg.
Mathias
From: "Gary Davis" <g@hoxnet.com>
Subject: The Dead on Letterman Thurs
Reply-to: g@hoxnet.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:04:53 -0700
ssia...
From: Joshua <sprung598@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: [COtapers] Telluride XM Schedule
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:21:32 -0700 (PDT)
--- John Shields <johnshields@milehigh.net> wrote:
> To: <COtapers@yahoogroups.com>
> From: "John Shields" <johnshields@milehigh.net>
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:40:59 -0600
> Subject: [COtapers] Telluride XM Schedule
>
>
http://www.xmradio.com/programming/xm_feature.jsp?ch=14&id=239
>
> Live from the Telluride Bluegrass Festival
> June 19th-22nd
>
> Schedule of Artists and Broadcast Times
> All Times Eastern Daylight Time
> (Acts Subject to Change)
>
> Thursday-June 19, 2003 1:00pm to 1:50pm Open Road
> 2:00pm to 3:15pm Hackensaw Boys
> 3:30pm to 4:45pm Alison Brown Quartet
> 5:00pm to 6:15pm Martin Sexton
> 6:30pm to 7:45pm Tim O'Brien Band
> 8:15pm to 9:30pm Susan Tedeschi
> 10:00pm to 11:30pm Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
> Midnight to 2:30am String Cheese Incident
>
> Friday-June 20, 2003 1:00pm to 2:00pm South Austin
> Jug Band
> 2:15pm to 3:30pm Mountain Heart
> 3:45pm to 5:00pm Keller Williams
> 5:15pm to 6:30pm The Waifs
> 7:00pm to 8:15pm Jerry Douglas Band
> 8:45pm to 10:00pm Kacey Chambers
> 10:30 to 12:30am Yonder Mountain String Band*
> 1:00am to 2:30am Leftover Salmon
> * (from 6-18-03 Record Release Party w/ Tim O'Brien)
>
>
> Saturday-June 21, 2003 3:15pm to 4:30pm Peter Rowan
> & Tony Rice
> 6:15pm to 7:30pm Yonder Mountain String Band
> 10:30pm to 12:30am John Hartford from Telluride 1998
>
> 1:00am to 2:30am Horseflies
>
> Sunday-June 22, 2003 2:45pm to 4:00pm Boomchicks
> 4:15pm to 5:30pm John Cowan Band
> 5:45pm to 7:00pm Nickel Creek
> 7:15pm to 8:30pm Hot Rize
> 9:00pm to 10:30pm Seldom Scene from Telluride 2000
> 11:00pm to 1:00am Sam Bush Band
>
>
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From: Nick Georges <nick@nickspicks.com>
Subject: ISO: two lawn tix for 6-28 camden DEAD
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:23:21 -0400
SSIA
contact my partner in crime as i'm out of town until 27th and he'll
negotiate the deal.
fishwater@attbi.com is his email addie (Carl Beck).
From: pwking <sleepypedro@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: beck 6-14-03 red rocks
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:06:24 -0700 (PDT)
hi, did anybody on this list happen to tape the beck
show last week at red rocks? he played a couple of my
favorite songs that he of course didn't play at the
shows i was present (and taping) for. bleh.
drop me a line if you rolled it -- i've got other
recent beck to trade. or old beck. or not beck at
all!
list @ URL in my signature.
peace out
peter
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From: Mexminute@aol.com
Subject: I.S.O. Steve Winwood set 6/18/03
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:48:51 -0400
Good morning all....just woke up from seeing The Dead with opening act Steve Winwood last night (June 18th) at Merriweather Post Pavillion in Columbia, MD. While it was good to see The Dead, I was most impressed with the wonderful extended set by Steve Winwood.
If anyone made a good recording of his performance, I would greatly appreciate a copy of it. I've got plenty of great stuff to trade.
Thanks,
Mitchell
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: BlueGrass @ Telluride XM Schedule
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:03:34 -0700
Anyone here taping this?
John Shields <johnshields@milehigh.net> wrote:
http://www.xmradio.com/programming/xm_feature.jsp?ch=3D14&id=3D239
=20
Live from the Telluride Bluegrass Festival=20
June 19th-22nd=20
=20
Schedule of Artists and Broadcast Times=20
All Times Eastern Daylight Time=20
(Acts Subject to Change)=20
=20
Thursday-June 19, 2003 1:00pm to 1:50pm Open Road=20
2:00pm to 3:15pm Hackensaw Boys=20
3:30pm to 4:45pm Alison Brown Quartet=20
5:00pm to 6:15pm Martin Sexton=20
6:30pm to 7:45pm Tim O'Brien Band=20
8:15pm to 9:30pm Susan Tedeschi=20
10:00pm to 11:30pm Nitty Gritty Dirt Band=20
Midnight to 2:30am String Cheese Incident=20
=20
Friday-June 20, 2003 1:00pm to 2:00pm South Austin
Jug Band=20
2:15pm to 3:30pm Mountain Heart=20
3:45pm to 5:00pm Keller Williams=20
5:15pm to 6:30pm The Waifs=20
7:00pm to 8:15pm Jerry Douglas Band=20
8:45pm to 10:00pm Kacey Chambers=20
10:30 to 12:30am Yonder Mountain String Band*=20
1:00am to 2:30am Leftover Salmon=20
* (from 6-18-03 Record Release Party w/ Tim O'Brien)
=20
=20
Saturday-June 21, 2003 3:15pm to 4:30pm Peter Rowan
& Tony Rice=20
6:15pm to 7:30pm Yonder Mountain String Band=20
10:30pm to 12:30am John Hartford from Telluride 1998
=20
1:00am to 2:30am Horseflies=20
=20
Sunday-June 22, 2003 2:45pm to 4:00pm Boomchicks=20
4:15pm to 5:30pm John Cowan Band=20
5:45pm to 7:00pm Nickel Creek=20
7:15pm to 8:30pm Hot Rize=20
9:00pm to 10:30pm Seldom Scene from Telluride 2000=20
11:00pm to 1:00am Sam Bush Band=20
=20
=20
From: Patrick Smith <PSmith@smith-litho.com>
Subject: Have/Need Bonnaroo
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:12:12 -0400
Hello all,
I HAVE the following Bonnaroo shows, all FOB (way FOB on the big
stage) w/ great rigs (B&K, Schoeps & Neumans) Neil, The Dead, Ben
Harper, Yonder Mountain, Joshua Redman, Allmans, Flaming Lips (15 sec
missing), Nickel Creek, moe., Jerry Joseph, Drive By Truckers, James Brown
I NEED these shows.....
Hackensaw Boys, Bela & Flecktones, Jack Johnson, Lucinda Williams, Jason
Mraz, Keller Williams, Sonic Youth, Tortise, Wailers, Robinella & The CC
String Band, Emmylou Harris, The Roots, Kotkee & Gordon, Warren Haynes,
Galactic, North Mississippi, G. Love, Spearhead, and The Superjam
Only looking for the above Bonnaroo shows right now. I can do DAT or CD
Thanks
Patrick
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