DAT-heads Digest #782
Contents:
PSYCHEDELIC BREAKFAST Friday Night & Special weekend show FIND OUT HOW (Schwigiddy)
Re: ISO: Steve Winwood ("Gregory Morgan")
Re: Really dumb question (Keith Bode)
Re: Really dumb question / dvd burners ("c. howell")
Re: really dumb question ("DCA")
ISO Mary Chapin Carpenter & Shawn Colvin at Telluride (David Danek)
Stealth Mics for Loan near Atlanta? (KindTaper@aol.com)
Re: Really dumb question (Seth Breidbart)
Sony PCM-M1 Question ("Mason Cool")
FT: Audioslave 19-4-03 Auckland, NZ ("Karl")
ISO santana 6/25/03 PLEASE!!! (Dgowc1st@aol.com)
ISO James Brown/North Miss All stars & Flaming LIps from Bonnaroo (Tim Lowery)
Help w/DEAD @ PNC, New Jersey 6/24/03 (Philip Dinhofer)
Re: UK Tapers Heads Up! (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Spie=DF?=)
FT: Recent Shows From San Francisco (Matthew Thayer)
From: Schwigiddy <gear4sale4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: PSYCHEDELIC BREAKFAST Friday Night & Special weekend show FIND OUT HOW
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:17:58 -0700 (PDT)
Friday 6/27/03 PSYCHEDELIC BREAKFAST
Last Concert Cafe (1403 Nance St. Houston, TX) 713
226-8563
PB rocked the house on St. Patrick's Day, when they
shared the bill with Tea Leaf Green, so they get the
full show treatment on this return visit. Psychedelic
jam rock at its finest. Local faves PLUMP will open
the show. Doors at 9pm. $10 at the door.
!!!!!! COME TO THE SHOW TO FIND OUT WHERE & WHEN
!!!!!
Sunday 6/29/03 PSYCHEDELIC BREAKFAST
A special invitation-only event at the sacred
Jellyphish Lounge!
Yes, PB gets the Jellyphish treatment and vice versa.
4:20pm show. Space is limited (or is that an
oxymoron?).
!!!!!! COME TO THE SHOW TO FIND OUT WHERE & WHEN
!!!!!
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From: "Gregory Morgan" <cardinalchunder@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ISO: Steve Winwood
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:28:22 -0700
I did the Free show Winwood did in San Fransisco ("KFOG Kaboom") with a pair
of sound Prof. mics (audio technica ardiod caps) and Sony PCM-M1. I have
CDR's burned of it so it would be easy to copy. It came out pretty nice,
although there is some wind noise on it (outside and by the bay)
-Gregory
From: Pete <p.stern@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: ISO: Steve Winwood
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
Looking for discs or DATs of the current Winwood tour. Also looking for '94
Traffic tour. Please get in touch if you can help. Thanks.
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From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Really dumb question
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:15:03 -0700
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>To my ears the difference between 16/44.1 and 16/48 is minimal (though there is a slight benefit in dynamic range & frequency response to 16/48 that is audible on careful A/B listening) but the difference between 16 bit and 24/96 recordings is nearly as obvious as the difference between analog and DAT. YMMV :)
>
>Stan Smith
>
As Stan said, YMMV. First I want to say I have a ton of digital
equipment, and there is definite advantages to digital, like lack of
generational loss and ease of editing compared to analog. I don't have
any wat of listening to 24/96 sampled audio, other than to run it back
throuogh my A/D/A converter and playing them in straight analog format.
Up util a few months ago, I was absolutely convinced that analog audio
could never match digital sound quality. I thought the stories coming
from the analog purists may have been true for those who would part with
20 grand for an audio sstem, but not for most of us scattered under the
rest of the ell curve. I have changed my mind, as a result of finding
some pristine copies of my favorite CD's on LP's. IMO, they completely
blow away CD's. Aroud 1970 when I was 15 or 16, I bought the least
expensive Sony reel to reel deck. I copied everyones records I could
get my hands on to tape. My brother, a year older than me was really
pissed because his records sounded better on tape, than the record did.
I am doing what I can to transfer a bunch of my music, especially the
non-comercial releases to reel. I am recording as much as I can from my
HD's to my D>A converter to a Teac X-1000R. Audio tape is expensive,
though. A 10.5" reel of Quantegy 456 is about $20. A fair number of
studio's are still recording masters on the same tape, except they are
using 2" tape, which is closer to $100 a reel. At 30 IPS that lasts
about 20 minutes, at 3 3/4 ips it records about 4 hours. IMO, 3 3/4 IPS
if fine for recording for home listening. IMO, the soound quality of CD
audio, still can't touch good analog records or tapes. Even tapes
recorded from CD's, sound better than the CD's. I have 2-3 head
cassette decks that, IMO, CD's recorded to on Maxell XL II cassettes,
soud better than the CD's. I still have a lot of Digital music, a
computer set up to transfer anything to any word/sample rate, and I use
it often. The kicker on this is I found this out on a stereo that has a
Sony reciever, that is a STR-D715, about 9 years old, a Technics SL-D202
turntable with a Grado GF3 cartrige, but on the end were some big
Klipsch's, about 17 years old. I have a couple of grand in the system,
nothing outrageous. I do agree with Stan's statement about using biger
words and faster samples, to approach the sound of analog. I don't
know where the point will be is met that is. I know my DVD is 24/192
capable. I think to really get it right, there will have to be external
converters/DTS decoders, etc.
Keith
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From: "c. howell" <h_vargas_2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Really dumb question / dvd burners
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:32:43 -0700 (PDT)
Stan Smith said:
"At the moment you still need some sort of D>A
converter to take advantage of this, but you can store
24/96 audio as data files... _and_ DVD burners are
starting to break the $500 range... ;)"
Stan, i'm not trying to disagree with you just for the
sake of disagreeing. however, dvd burners have broken
the $200 range... in fact, you can get a brand new 4x
dvd burner for right at $150 from online stores (such
as avlogic.com). :)
and no, i don't work for nor am i affiliated with
avlogic.com in any way. i've just shopped there a
couple of times.
so, having said that, maybe it's time to get a dvd
burner and start burning those dvd-audio discs.
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From: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: really dumb question
Reply-To: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:59:09 -0400
Just to clarify, the more bits - the more resolution you will have = a
smoother waveform. Closer to real time analog data.
The faster sampling rate allows this to happen. With a faster sample rate,
more bits can be collected that more closely
resemble the actual analog waveform.
Dave
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From: "Stanley W. Smith" <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Really dumb question
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:37:26 -0500
Hey Now,
The initial sampling rate determines how well you are able to replicate the
complex analog waveforms as digital data . . . Higher bit depths and faster
sampling rates mean that you have a more accurate image of the initial
analog waveform. (The more bits involved, the larger the dynamic range
is...
and the faster the sample rate, the the greater the number of discrete steps
that represent the waveform.... "The faster we go the rounder we get..."
;) )
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From: David Danek <hobbes4444@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO Mary Chapin Carpenter & Shawn Colvin at Telluride
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:22:40 -0700 (PDT)
Anyone out there at Telluride happen to catch the set with Mary
Chapin and Shawn? It was not broadcast on XM because MC's management
was concerned about technical issues with a live broadcast of an
outdoor show. Whatever. Would love to hear a nice audie if anyone
caught it. . .
Thanks!!!
Dave
BWT: Any Mary Chapin from my list to the first two interested. Shoot
me an email and I'll send you a list.
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From: KindTaper@aol.com
Subject: Stealth Mics for Loan near Atlanta?
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:53:52 -0400
I hate to be a mooch, but does anyone in the Atlanta area (or within 100 miles) have a pair of DPA's or any kind of easy to use stealth mics I could borrow for a show on Monday 6/30?
I'd be willing to pay you/hook you up with a copy of the show I'm taping or other shows, etc. I have permission to film a great emo band called the Casket Lottery and I don't want to just use my camera mic. The place they are playing is very small and using my rig would be a huge hassle. Please let me know if you can help. I don't mind driving to pick them up and give them back to you.
Thanks,
Wes
Kindtaper@aol.com
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Really dumb question
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:34:16 -0400 (EDT)
> I copied everyones records I could get my hands on to tape. My
> brother, a year older than me was really pissed because his records
> sounded better on tape, than the record did.
You copied a record to tape and the tape sounded "better" than the
source record? That's called "euphonic distortion".
> Even tapes recorded from CD's, sound better than the CD's.
There was once a test done. They recorded a blank record, and played
back (A) a CD, (B) the same CD mixed with the "silence" (actually
noise, of course, but at a low level) from the record. People who
claimed that records sounded better than CDs tended to prefer (B).
There are good reasons for this; low-level white noise (tape hiss is
close enough) masks some of the signal-correlated distortion present
in (some) CDs. Signal-correlated distortion sounds much nastier than
slightly higher amounts of uncorrelated distortion.
Seth
From: "Mason Cool" <masoncool@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sony PCM-M1 Question
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:30:33 -0400
Hello,
Can anyone tell me if there is a way to find out how many hours of use a
Sony PCM-M1 has had?
I've heard some Sony decks will tell you how many hours of use they've had
if you key in a special code or something? Is this true? And is it true
for the M1?
If anyone knows how to check the hours of usage please email me. Or email
me if you know that this option is only for other decks and not the M1.
Thanks.
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From: "Karl" <ricies@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: FT: Audioslave 19-4-03 Auckland, NZ
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:10:46 +1200
I taped Audioslave live in Auckland, New Zealand 19-4-03 (no one has this
show from me yet). Information as follows.
I'm ONLY trading this for Marilyn Manson shows I don't have (mainly looking
for the new tour shows) or any DAT tapes of his shows (no matter whether I
already have it on CD).
Equipment: TCD-D8/ECM-717
Quality: Good quality, vocals a bit low in some songs, A-.
Media: CDR or DAT
Audioslave play some new songs.
Audioslave - 19-4-03 Town Hall, Auckland, New Zealand
1. Crowd
2. Set It Off
3. Light My Way
4. Gasoline
5. Like A Stone
6. ?
7. Hypnotize
8. What you are
9. ?
10. Exploder
11. ? New song
12. The Last Remaining Light
13. Show Me How To Live
14. Shadow On The Sun
15. ?
16. ?
17. Cochise
18. Outro music
For more masters and my full list check: www.mmbootlegs.8m.com
Thanks
-Karl
From: Dgowc1st@aol.com
Subject: ISO santana 6/25/03 PLEASE!!!
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:53:06 -0400
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From: Tim Lowery <dattrek@comcast.net>
Subject: ISO James Brown/North Miss All stars & Flaming LIps from Bonnaroo
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:48:09 -0500
Help
Looking for James Brown/North Miss All stars & Flaming LIps from Bonnaroo
have a wide variety on my listto trade not the same ol same ol
thanks
tim
From: Philip Dinhofer <philipdinhofer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Help w/DEAD @ PNC, New Jersey 6/24/03
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:26:10 -0700 (PDT)
Made a great Schoeps sourced recording from within the
dome, 4 rows behind the board, dead to the center
line.
Since I was not in the lawn based "taper" section, had
to record in stealth mode (a friend, recording FOB,
was busted and made to leave the show). Some kiddy
walking through the aisle, clipped my bag during
Tomorrow Never Knows, which flipped my mic/line switch
and I lost 3/4 of the song (about 6 min).
I'm looking for a HQ - Schoeps or comprable sourced
recording of this one song that I can blend into my
own, so that I can thereafter release and distrubute
this gem of a recording (I won't release an otherwise
incomplete recording.)
Anybody who can help, please contact me privately.
Phil Dinhofer
phildinhofer@yahoo.com
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Spie=DF?= <teenage_riot@web.de>
Subject: Re: UK Tapers Heads Up!
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:56:47 +0200
I don't think "I Am Kloot" have something like an "official" taping policy,
but they did allow board feeds in the past.
Good luck!
Christian
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From: "Bas Ruesink" <basruesink@hotmail.com>
Subject: UK Tapers Heads Up!
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:16:17 +0200
Uk band "I Am Kloot" will do a small England tour. They are truly worth
checking out and taping. Dont know the official policy, but you could ask.
get in touch if you go....more info at: www.iamkloot.com. Thanks
Bas
From: Matthew Thayer <mattt317@yahoo.com>
Subject: FT: Recent Shows From San Francisco
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:17:34 -0700 (PDT)
Just started recording again after a break and some
travels, please email if interested.
Also recording a Los Van Van instore this Sunday.
The Clean - 6/18/03 - Fillmore - San Francisco, 38 m,
open for Yo La Tengo
The Clean - - 6/19/03 - Ameoba Records - San Francisco
- 35m appr.
Chik Chik Chik !!! & Outhud - 6/25/03 - Amoeba Records
- 40m - weird set.
lots of problems with the mikes, blown out speaker.
but still sounds ok if you're a fan.
Buffalo Daughter - 6/25/03 - Fillmore - great set,
played new unreleased material
Blonde Redhead - 6/25/03 - Fillmore - missing 1st 20
minutes, sounds good, played new unreleased material
Cheers,
Matt
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