DAT-heads Digest #783
Contents:
analog vs. digital ("Jamie Lutch")
Phish 7/10 SHoreline reserved tix for sale ("Jagjit Chadha")
Re: Subject: Stealth Mics for Loan near Atlanta? ("Ragan Todd")
Re Your reply on DAT heads (Keith Bode)
Re: really dumb question (Keith Bode)
Re: Re Your reply on DAT heads (Seth Breidbart)
Re: ISO: Michael Hedges fan for transfer (found!) ("Donald Forsha")
PCM M-1 Battery options? ("DANIEL THWEATT")
Anybody stealthing John Hiatt??? (john bunnell)
FS: SONY SBM-1 Super Bit Mapper (Eric Eckberg)
Wanted:Midiman CO2 or simillair device (Keith Bode)
From: "Jamie Lutch" <jlutch@altairinc.com>
Subject: analog vs. digital
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:27:37 -0700
> There was once a test done. They recorded a blank record, and played
> back (A) a CD, (B) the same CD mixed with the "silence" (actually
> noise, of course, but at a low level) from the record. People who
> claimed that records sounded better than CDs tended to prefer (B).
>
> There are good reasons for this; low-level white noise (tape hiss is
> close enough) masks some of the signal-correlated distortion present
> in (some) CDs. Signal-correlated distortion sounds much nastier than
> slightly higher amounts of uncorrelated distortion.
And this of course, is a classic example of dither. maybe someone needs to
come up with an 'LP' dither algorithm for the vinyl enthusiasts. You could
probably save yourself a lot of time, keith, if you find a suitable digital
effect that sounds like tape. then you could ge thte sound you like in real
time, without actually transferring it to analog.
From: "Jagjit Chadha" <jugu122@hotmail.com>
Subject: Phish 7/10 SHoreline reserved tix for sale
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:36:30 +0000
I have 2 tix for $50 each. Here they are:
Section 204 Row P seats 9 and 10.
I'd like to sell the pair to one person. thanks!
Jagjit
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From: "Ragan Todd" <rhinelander2130@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: Stealth Mics for Loan near Atlanta?
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:51:23 +0000
I can't vouch for Wes, but The Casket Lottery is a great band and well
worth taping. I caught them at a show in their hometown of Lawrence, KS
back in December. I might even have a tape ;-)
Ragan
From: KindTaper@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:53:52 -0400
I hate to be a mooch, but does anyone in the Atlanta area (or within 100
miles) have a pair of DPA's or any kind of easy to use stealth mics I could
borrow for a show on Monday 6/30?
I'd be willing to pay you/hook you up with a copy of the show I'm taping or
other shows, etc. I have permission to film a great emo band called the
Casket Lottery and I don't want to just use my camera mic. The place they
are playing is very small and using my rig would be a huge hassle. Please
let me know if you can help. I don't mind driving to pick them up and give
them back to you.
Thanks,
Wes
Kindtaper@aol.com
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From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re Your reply on DAT heads
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:09:52 -0700
Seth,
In reply to your comments;
>I copied everyones records I could get my hands on to tape. My
>> brother, a year older than me was really pissed because his records
>> sounded better on tape, than the record did.
>
>
>
>You copied a record to tape and the tape sounded "better" than the
>source record? That's called "euphonic distortion".
>
Call it what ever you want. That was 2 peoples opinion, 33-34 years
ago. My brother was the one pissed when he heard the tapes, so it's his
opinion that really bugs you. The tapes are long gone, and the records
are all jacked up if my brother has them, and anyone else who's records
I recorded then, I haven't seen in at least 18 years. I would assume
their records are probably not in the best of shape.
> Even tapes recorded from CD's, sound better than the CD's.
>
>
You quoted 1 sentence of a 2 sentence statement, might as well include
the entire concept.
>Even tapes recorded from CD's, sound better than the CD's. I have 2-3 head cassette decks that, IMO, CD's recorded to on Maxell XL II cassettes, soud better than the CD's.
>
That was my entire statement. Send me a tape, and I'll send you back a
tape and a CD. If you have a decent Cassette deck, and I assume you do,
listen yourself.
My entire statement was prefaced by:
>Up util a few months ago, I was absolutely convinced that analog audio
>could never match digital sound quality. I thought the stories coming
>from the analog purists may have been true for those who would part with
>20 grand......
>
So, I have no doubt you have a very good audio system. I spent less
than $10 to buy a pristine record, that I had on CD, on eBay. I hadn't
listened to any LP's since about 1983. All my records were stolen then,
and I bought CD's only after that. After 20 years of not listening to
LP's, I listened to a good one, as a point of curiosity. So, if you
quote what should be, my reply is check it out. Contempt prior to
investigation keeps us from what we might love. I used to hate lobster
and sushi. My opinion has changed
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: really dumb question
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:20:28 -0700
>
>
>Just to clarify, the more bits - the more resolution you will have = a
>smoother waveform. Closer to real time analog data. The faster sampling rate allows this to happen. With a faster sample rate, more bits can be collected that more closely resemble the actual analog waveform.
>
>Dave
>
I agree completely, Dave. Unfortunately, there has never been a way to
play music using any analog equipment or media without some loss of
sound quality however minute. Even tapes flake. No matter how good a
turntable, tonearm and cartrige are set up, after a number of plays, the
record loses that new soound, and some shavings.
Keith
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Re Your reply on DAT heads
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:49:58 -0400 (EDT)
>>You copied a record to tape and the tape sounded "better" than the
>>source record? That's called "euphonic distortion".
>
> Call it what ever you want. That was 2 peoples opinion, 33-34 years
> ago. My brother was the one pissed when he heard the tapes, so it's his
> opinion that really bugs you.
No opinion bugs me. I'm just pointing out what it is.
Consider:
1. Play a record, send the signal through a phono pre-amp.
2. (maybe) Record that signal on tape, play it back.
3. Take that signal, feed it through an amplifier and speakers.
Now, you're saying that 1+2+3 sounded better than 1+3. I'm saying
that step 2 can only introduce distortion, not remove it.
Consider turning off the radio when a song you hate comes on. That's
100% distortion, and it sounds better, right?
>> Even tapes recorded from CD's, sound better than the CD's.
>
> You quoted 1 sentence of a 2 sentence statement, might as well include
> the entire concept.
>>Even tapes recorded from CD's, sound better than the CD's. I have
>>2-3 head cassette decks that, IMO, CD's recorded to on Maxell XL II
>>cassettes, soud better than the CD's.
Once again, adding the "record to tape and play it" step can only add
distortion.
You happen to think that distortion sounds good. That's not arguable.
> So, if you quote what should be, my reply is check it out.
My point is about accuracy, not euphony.
Note that I'm particularly not claiming that less distortion is
better. For instance, medium-loud rain drumming on a windowpane
probably does much less to detract from the music than would me
attempting to sing along at a slightly lower volume than the rain.
Seth
From: "Donald Forsha" <forsha41@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: ISO: Michael Hedges fan for transfer (found!)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:46:22 -0400
Thanks to everyone who replied. I have connected with someone and once the
transfer is complete, it will be offered here first.
peace,
Donald
From: "DANIEL THWEATT" <thweatt62040@msn.com>
Subject: PCM M-1 Battery options?
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:58:57 -0500
Can anyone give me advice on what kind of batteries will give me the longest
recording life on my newly purchased M-1? It came with the Sony
rechargeables which I'm told will give about 2 hrs. of recording capability.
Anyone have a source for a different option?
Thanks, Danny
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From: john bunnell <jbunn22@yahoo.com>
Subject: Anybody stealthing John Hiatt???
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:16:52 -0700 (PDT)
looking for any recent goner shows. Particulary
the one the other night in Fox Theater in
Boulder,
CO. TIA.
ttyl
jmb
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From: Eric Eckberg <shmurg@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: SONY SBM-1 Super Bit Mapper
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:49:44 -0700 (PDT)
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From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Wanted:Midiman CO2 or simillair device
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:01:24 -0700
SSIA. I need to convert some Tosling streams to Coax. Let me know your
asking price. @ill consider other simiair device.
Keith
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