DAT-heads Digest #784, Volume #6 Sun, 29 Jun 03 14:50:01 EDT Contents: BARRY MELTON - London June 24 and 27, 2003 for trade (GordonComs@aol.com) Re: Re: Really dumb question / dvd burners ("Stanley W. Smith") ISO: Sonic Studios PA-6LC/PA-6LC2/PA-6LC3B (used) (Justin) M-1 battery options (Owen O'Neill) [info] White Stripes - Oklahoma City, OK 6-27-03 ("Benjamin Branch") Re A vs D (Keith Bode) Re: Subject: Stealth Mics for Loan near Atlanta? ("DRider") gear for sale (mattz62@juno.com) Camel in Santa Cruz (Stefan V Morosky) Marc Reasoner of Marcsounds microphones (artood2) F/S: 2 HIGH SIERRA TIX ("Boogie Shafer") Re: M-1 battery options (Seth Breidbart) re:PCM M-1 Battery options? (sec1968@ezl.com) Re: analog (records, tape) vs digital (CD) ("DCA") WISHBONE ASH USA festival dates ("Slipkid") Re: analog vs. digital / dither & noise shaping ("Stanley W. Smith") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GordonComs@aol.com Subject: BARRY MELTON - London June 24 and 27, 2003 for trade Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:16:20 -0400 MELTON, BARRY London Kentish Town The Verge, UK June 24, 2003 1:12:42 VG/Ex Stereo Audience* Small break in one track. Sony ECM-MS907 electric condenser>Sony D7 DAT LP MELTON, BARRY London 100 Club, UK June 27, 2003 0:54:03 + 1:07:07 VG Stereo Audience Small break in one track. Sony ECM-MS907 electric condenser>Sony D7 DAT SP Hello, Please mail me off-list if you're interested in a 1:1 trade on CD-R or DAT. Best wishes, Gordon Comstock ------------------------------ From: "Stanley W. Smith" Subject: Re: Re: Really dumb question / dvd burners Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:13:25 -0500 I stand corrected... :) (haven't been to the computer superstore recently...) Guess I'm going to have to start yet _another_ in the endless series of format transfers... (Still haven't finished with all of the analog cassettes > CD-R transfers... "So many shows, so little time..." ;) ) On the up-side, we should be able to archive entire tour legs on one disc so there at least be more room in the 'library'... ;) Stan Smith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "c. howell" Subject: Re: Really dumb question / dvd burners Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Stan Smith said: "At the moment you still need some sort of D>A converter to take advantage of this, but you can store 24/96 audio as data files... _and_ DVD burners are starting to break the $500 range... ;)" Stan, i'm not trying to disagree with you just for the sake of disagreeing. however, dvd burners have broken the $200 range... in fact, you can get a brand new 4x dvd burner for right at $150 from online stores (such as avlogic.com). :) and no, i don't work for nor am i affiliated with avlogic.com in any way. i've just shopped there a couple of times. so, having said that, maybe it's time to get a dvd burner and start burning those dvd-audio discs. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 06/16/2003 ------------------------------ From: Justin Subject: ISO: Sonic Studios PA-6LC/PA-6LC2/PA-6LC3B (used) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:27:44 -1000 (HST) Hi, I'm looking into buying a DSM powering adapter module (w/bass rolloff) for use with a set of Sonic Studios DSM-6S/L mics... looking specifically for either the PA-6LC, PA-6LC2, or PA-6LC3B. Does anyone here have one (in used but good working condition) they'd like to sell off? If so, please e-mail me privately. Thanks, Justin ------------------------------ From: Owen O'Neill Subject: M-1 battery options Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:27:56 -0700 (PDT) The batteries that come with the M-1 are nMh - nickel metal hydride rechargeables. To the best of my knowledge this is the best rechargeable battery type available for AA'a and for this type of use. A buddy of mine advised that he has seen the mA (milli amp) rating of such batteroies go up several notches in the past six months (he watches such things). Check out any big box electronics store and compare the mA rating on their batteries to the ones that came with the M-1. You might pick up an extra 30 mionutes of record time with the newer ones. I like to carry a set of Photo-Lithium AA's as a backup in case my rechargeables run out. I've gotten close to five hours from the Photo Lithiums but they're pricey and non-rechargeable. Better yet is a battery sled - radio shack battery holder for six D cells and a plug to fit the M-1. It's still small enough to fit in a small bag (tough to stealth though) and it will let you run for a whole day at a festival. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Benjamin Branch" Subject: [info] White Stripes - Oklahoma City, OK 6-27-03 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:46:31 -0500 For those of you running White Stripes Tour history sites, the following sources were taped last night: 1) Dynamic Audio Binaruals > DA-120F @ 60hz Roll Off > Sharp MT877 [taper: b. branch (myself)] 2) CSB > Sharp MD702 [taper: Neil Lang] My source is currently not for trade. This is strictly for information purposes. Benjamin ------------------------------ From: Keith Bode Subject: Re A vs D Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:49:21 -0700 > > >And this of course, is a classic example of dither. maybe someone needs to >come up with an 'LP' dither algorithm for the vinyl enthusiasts. You could >probably save yourself a lot of time, keith, if you find a suitable digital effect that sounds like tape. > 6 Months ago, I was not an analog fan. I had Heard the audiophile claims of analog records sounding better than digital, and I dismissed it as some fanatical reactioary idea, that maybe if you got into5 figures spent on audio equipent, it migh be true, but definitely not for the masses. I had bought a Turntable in case I stumbled onto some LP's I wanted to digitize. I was truly shocked when I played the record and it sounded better than the same cd. This is not a long standing point of view of mne. It is something that shocked th hell out of me recently. I had no records for 20 years, and did not expect them to sound as good as they did. ------------------------------ From: "DRider" Subject: Re: Subject: Stealth Mics for Loan near Atlanta? Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:02:31 -0400 I can vouch for Wes!! Peace, D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Ragan Todd" Subject: Re: Subject: Stealth Mics for Loan near Atlanta? Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:51:23 +0000 I can't vouch for Wes, but The Casket Lottery is a great band and well worth taping. I caught them at a show in their hometown of Lawrence, KS back in December. I might even have a tape ;-) Ragan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: KindTaper@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:53:52 -0400 I hate to be a mooch, but does anyone in the Atlanta area (or within 100 miles) have a pair of DPA's or any kind of easy to use stealth mics I could borrow for a show on Monday 6/30? I'd be willing to pay you/hook you up with a copy of the show I'm taping or other shows, etc. I have permission to film a great emo band called the Casket Lottery and I don't want to just use my camera mic. The place they are playing is very small and using my rig would be a huge hassle. Please let me know if you can help. I don't mind driving to pick them up and give them back to you. Thanks, Wes Kindtaper@aol.com ------------------------------ From: mattz62@juno.com Subject: gear for sale Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:33:32 GMT Ok, i have the following for sale. E-mail me at mattz62@juno.com if interested and we can work on pricing. Earthworks SR-77s (matched pair) (w/ wooden case) Sound Devices MP-2 w/ 4 pin xlr power cable Graham Patten ADC-20 w/ bnc-->coax adapter + 4 pin xlr power cable AT8410a shockmounts (1 pair) Shure 17' mic stand shure vertical t-bar 1 pair 20' monster XLR cables 1 ecocharge 6 volt battery system (1 battery) 1 homemade 6 volt battery (lead acid rechargable) Matt Pfeil ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ From: Stefan V Morosky Subject: Camel in Santa Cruz Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:32:04 -0700 Hello all,I know it's a long shot,but I was wondering if anyone out there taped Camel last Thursday night at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz.The date was June 26,03.The show was sold-out,I couldn't make it. If you taped this show,would love to hear from you,have lots to offer for trade. Thanks,Stefan. ------------------------------ From: artood2 Subject: Marc Reasoner of Marcsounds microphones Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:35:51 -0700 Marc if you or your brother still read this list please get in touch . I have a pair of your mics that I dearly love but they need some repairs. Google searches only turned up a dead link to the same provider as the last known email for you (at dimensional ...) Save Farscape.com ------------------------------ From: "Boogie Shafer" Subject: F/S: 2 HIGH SIERRA TIX Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:40:13 -0700 due to a last minute commitment i cant change, i wont be making it to high sierra this year 2 - 4 day passes and an onsite parking pass no offer refused...highest received by monday morning takes it boogie@dubious.com ------------------------------ From: Seth Breidbart Subject: Re: M-1 battery options Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:47:19 -0400 (EDT) > The batteries that come with the M-1 are nMh - nickel metal hydride > rechargeables. http://www.batterystation.com/nicads.html has AA NiMH 2100 mAh batteries for $2 each (plus shipping). I don't know the capacity of the ones Sony sends, but since those are quite a few years old, I'm reasonably certain they don't exceed 1700 mAh, and may be quite a bit less. (No affiliation except as a satisfied customer.) Seth ------------------------------ From: sec1968@ezl.com Subject: re:PCM M-1 Battery options? Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:49:28 -0500 Danny, go to Radio Shack and pick up a 4 pack of 1.2v 1800 mAh AA rechargeable batteries for $20 bones. shane >From: "DANIEL THWEATT" >Subject: PCM M-1 Battery options? >Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:58:57 -0500 > >Can anyone give me advice on what kind of batteries will give me the longest >recording life on my newly purchased M-1? It came with the Sony >rechargeables which I'm told will give about 2 hrs. of recording capability. >Anyone have a source for a different option? >Thanks, Danny > >http://www.sanctifiedpress.com/trade.html My home page http://www.ezl.com/~sec1968/ sec1968@ezl.com (home) shane.calhoon@anheuser-busch.com (work) 314-765-9187 (work) ------------------------------ From: "DCA" Subject: Re: analog (records, tape) vs digital (CD) Reply-To: "DCA" Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:38:18 -0400 You're right, Keith. You can't ever get digital to the point where it is an _exact_ replica of the original analog, because that would require infinite resolution. To add to your other statement about degradation - CD's have a limited life as well, just like any other material goods. Especially CDRs, last I checked they had a life of about 10-15 years. Not including wear and tear - i.e. scratches, etc. Just one more comment about the records vs. tapes vs. CDs, etc - I view it like a comparison to transistor amps vs. tube amps. They still keep tubes around because transistor amps just don't have that same sound. Which is due to harmonics created naturally by the tubes that transistors don't create the same type and amount (i.e. odd, even - 3rd, 4th, etc). Theoretically, you could create those harmonics with extra transistor amp stages, but it has not been done successfully, or would cost too much to be practical. So, Seth is also right about the extra "euphonic distortion" that is present, but on the other hand, we live in an analog world. Most instruments are analog, except for drum machines, keyboards and the like. So, that rain pounding on your window pane may sound good, and I agree. But it may be the combination af hearing it echo against the glass of the window, and the way it sounds through the window, etc. If you recorded it digitally, technically it would not be the same as you hearing it "live" through your own sound system (ears). While digital can be a good thing, it is still not perfect, neither are records and tapes (especially 8-tracks :). Dave >From: Keith Bode >Subject: Re: really dumb question >Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:20:28 -0700 >> >> >>Just to clarify, the more bits - the more resolution you will have = a >>smoother waveform. Closer to real time analog data. The faster sampling rate allows this to happen. With a faster >sample rate, more bits can be collected that more closely resemble the actual analog waveform. >> >>Dave >> >I agree completely, Dave. Unfortunately, there has never been a way to >play music using any analog equipment or media without some loss of >sound quality however minute. Even tapes flake. No matter how good a >turntable, tonearm and cartrige are set up, after a number of plays, the >record loses that new soound, and some shavings. >Keith ------------------------------ From: "Slipkid" Subject: WISHBONE ASH USA festival dates Reply-To: "Slipkid" Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:44:25 -0400 classic british guitar rock band WISHBONE ASH will be playing 2 festivals in the USA this week 02-Jul-03 SUMMERFEST, Milwaukee, WI 8:00 PM, Harley-Davidson Roadhouse http://www.summerfest.com/home.php 05-Jul-03 RIBFEST, Naperville, IL 12:30PM MAIN STAGE http://www.ribfest.net/ also more info @ http://www.wishboneash.com/ the band are taper friendly & friends of mine, so if anyone can tape the gigs & share copies with me i'd appreciate it thanks, - jon - slipkid@voicenet.com ------------------------------ From: "Stanley W. Smith" Subject: Re: analog vs. digital / dither & noise shaping Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:19:12 -0500 You could grab a sample of 'vinyl silence' as a noise print in either S.F. or in Waves, save as a wave file, then mix it into all your direct to digital sound files... =) Might have to set a roll-off on a low-pass filter to remove 16kHz and above and add some extra rumble and ticks as well... =P From: "Jamie Lutch" Subject: analog vs. digital Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:27:37 -0700 > There was once a test done. They recorded a blank record, and played > back (A) a CD, (B) the same CD mixed with the "silence" (actually > noise, of course, but at a low level) from the record. People who > claimed that records sounded better than CDs tended to prefer (B). > > There are good reasons for this; low-level white noise (tape hiss is > close enough) masks some of the signal-correlated distortion present > in (some) CDs. Signal-correlated distortion sounds much nastier than > slightly higher amounts of uncorrelated distortion. And this of course, is a classic example of dither. maybe someone needs to come up with an 'LP' dither algorithm for the vinyl enthusiasts. You could probably save yourself a lot of time, keith, if you find a suitable digital effect that sounds like tape. then you could ge thte sound you like in real time, without actually transferring it to analog. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 06/17/2003 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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